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(Washington Post)   The Department of Homeland Security wants to build a national license plate tracking system that will track every driver's movements around the country. What is your destination, citizen?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 147
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2014-02-19 10:04:19 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: In junior high school, I 'learned' that Soviet citizens could not just up and take vacations, but had to report their movements to the government. Any divergence from their plan = firing squad.


yeah, "learned"
 
2014-02-19 10:04:46 AM  

kidgenius: aseras: I need to patent my infrared laser diode plate "illuminator" that makes cameras useless for this kind of thing, but looks perfectly fine to the naked eye.

Hoping to wash out a license plate huh? These cameras are more than capable of exposing a bright-white california plate that is being hit by the full summer sun. Good luck with your little LED's trying to wash that out.


Someone doesn't know how infrared cameras work.  They operate outside the visual spectrum.

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2014-02-19 10:05:49 AM  
I'd be cool with it if it only recorded plates of vehicles of real interest but it won't work that way.
 
2014-02-19 10:06:10 AM  

GoldSpider: duffblue: I guess the irony of your post is lost on you.

The "Pointing out racism is racist" play?


Or, you know, trying to bring skin color into every conversation.
 
2014-02-19 10:07:03 AM  
FTFA: would help catch fugitive illegal immigrants

Right... because fugitive illegal immigrants are so good about keeping their legal records up to date.
 
2014-02-19 10:07:29 AM  

redly1: BitwiseShift: When Texas started putting annual registration stickers on license plates, sticker theft was a big problem overnight. The sticker is now inside the windshield and self destructs if removed.

You'll need to keep your license plate in the safe when ever you're not driving, because just like a gun, if someone steals it and commits a crime it's your fault.

that's funny.  We've used stickers on plates in Iowa for ever.  Those damn things are impossible to remove, they just sort of crack and chip off


In Georgia they used to tell you to just score them with a razor blade a few times.  Now they have the license plate number printed on them.
 
2014-02-19 10:08:23 AM  

BunkoSquad: Wait, they don't already?


Who is "they" and what are "they" doing? ;)

Local LEAs here in California are buying cruiser-mounted versions like they are candy. They work in real time as the cop drives around on cop business, alerting the officer to make, model and plate number when it detects a license plate with a "want or warrant", either parked or going in the same or opposite direction on the street. The difference? The cops are catching locally wanted criminals...not dumping all the data the system picks up into a nation-wide data base.

But an integrated near-comprehensive national system? That's a bit too Orwellian for my taste.
 
2014-02-19 10:08:34 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: SlothB77: Is it an improvement that they are telling us first instead of just doing it?

They're doing it already.  Now they're just fighting over who gets the data.


For a while now, around here at least, many cop cars have plate scanners on them that just run the plate of every car they see on the road, be they just tooling around town, or even parked on the street. It will pull the cars status, and the owners status. If the owner comes back with something outstanding, or your car isn't correctly registered, they will stop you.

There has never been an expectation of privacy as far as license plates are concerned.
 
2014-02-19 10:09:57 AM  
You are being tracked. http://www.aclu.org/alpr
 
2014-02-19 10:10:03 AM  

redly1: BitwiseShift: When Texas started putting annual registration stickers on license plates, sticker theft was a big problem overnight. The sticker is now inside the windshield and self destructs if removed.

You'll need to keep your license plate in the safe when ever you're not driving, because just like a gun, if someone steals it and commits a crime it's your fault.

that's funny.  We've used stickers on plates in Iowa for ever.  Those damn things are impossible to remove, they just sort of crack and chip off


Self-destruct if removed stickers are pretty common now. Usually they are intentionally made to tear in certain areas when you try to remove them. Definitely cuts down on sticker theft.
 
2014-02-19 10:10:11 AM  

pkellmey: Or, you know, trying to bring skin color into every conversation.


I don't think it was a coincidence that teabagger's concern over federal surveillance just happened to ramp up around January '09, but you're free to believe otherwise.
 
2014-02-19 10:10:25 AM  
Spare me the phony outrage - if you didn't think they were already doing this then you're a naive fool.  In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.   They probably take a picture at every traffic light camera.  Same thing with credit card use - every time you use one they know where you are.  They use facial recognition software in shopping malls for goodness sake.  That barn doors been open for a long time and frankly I'm not that worried about it.  If the information being gathered starts being used inappropriately (currently undefined on my part), I'll be part of the uprising.
 
2014-02-19 10:11:15 AM  
And the truth of the matter is, I don't really mind it. I pay a crapload of money for car insurance every year, plus registration, the hassle of renewing a DL every few years, etc. If it helps bust folks who are cheating the system, fine by me.

And all of that data is out there already if folks have a warrant and want to track your movements.

Certainly there are arguments to be made about government intrusion into privacy, but you need to pick and choose your battles. This isn't one of them.
 
2014-02-19 10:13:52 AM  

GoldSpider: pkellmey: Or, you know, trying to bring skin color into every conversation.

I don't think it was a coincidence that teabagger's concern over federal surveillance just happened to ramp up around January '09, but you're free to believe otherwise.


It no longer sounds like a coincidence that you saw an issue with survelliance and believed that skin color was involved.
 
2014-02-19 10:15:21 AM  

pkellmey: It no longer sounds like a coincidence that you saw an issue with survelliance and believed that skin color was involved.


Oh it's not just surveillance.
 
2014-02-19 10:16:40 AM  
This is an outrage.jpg!  If we let them get away with this, then they may want to set up national databases for fingerprints and DNA samples!!!

/sends off a furious email to Rush
 
2014-02-19 10:17:12 AM  
Land of the Free,
Home of the Brave.
 
2014-02-19 10:21:58 AM  

ltdanman44: Someone doesn't know how infrared cameras work.  They operate outside the visual spectrum.


And the a bright white license plate in full sun is going to be reflecting a crap ton of infrared. I don't know this for a fact, but I'd be shocked if a few IR LEDs are more powerful than the reflected sun, and apparently the cameras can deal with the sun so I agree with the other poster that the IR LEDs aren't goign to do much.
 
2014-02-19 10:23:13 AM  

eyemarten: What the hell has happened to this country?


We got scared of the brown people who were so uppity as to attack us in our home country.
 
2014-02-19 10:23:49 AM  
*wanders off to look at my gps unit, my phone's gps that is on even when it's not turned on. Receipts of my occasional credit card use at gas stations  etc etc etc*
 
2014-02-19 10:24:06 AM  
Ok, Farkers. Tin-foil hats on.
Creative toolkit out.

What's next in the timeline of society turning into this?

I'll get you started:

2014- a beautiful, young blonde girl gets carjacked, raped and killed. Outrage/Media frenzy. Government issues the Sandra act, making it a law for all cars to have tracking devices.
 
2014-02-19 10:25:06 AM  
The only way you might consider having an expectation of privacy while driving around in your two ton vehicle on public roads is if your aluminum foil hat just slid down over your eyes and you are suddenly turning into a farmers market and confusing the gas for the brake.
 
2014-02-19 10:26:26 AM  

MFAWG: Remember what people were called when they complained about setting up DHS and severely restricting ones ability to travel freely about the country?

Honestly, what the fark did people think was to happen?


Remember pretty much every city that set up a similar car tracking system and claimed that it would never be expanded?
 
2014-02-19 10:26:52 AM  
The Driver's Privacy Protection Act is pretty lax on who is allowed to view your information. You can't view other peoples information based on the license plate number, but your employer can.
 
2014-02-19 10:27:18 AM  

illegal.tender: Terrorism: turning America into a capitalist fascist paradise since September 11, 2001.


THIS

Truly, they got exactly what they wanted.
 
2014-02-19 10:30:50 AM  
So they will know my routine work,home, lowes, red light district, place on the river I dump the hooker corpse. Nothing real intresting there really.
 
2014-02-19 10:33:22 AM  

smoky2010: There already is a national license plate reporting system. It is accessed every time you're pulled over or your plate is "ran" by a law enforcement agency.

I'm not concerned about this.


There are already towns that have systems that notify authorities, by automatically scanning your license plate, if you have broken any laws, car is registered, wanted, etc.

Anyone who supports blatant violations of the 4th amendment should be the first against the wall.
 
2014-02-19 10:36:00 AM  

saywhat: In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.


Thanks for mentioning this because it made me remember something.. I was driving through Chicago a few days ago and went through a toll road on the express side. Saw a sign that said something along the lines of "Forgot to pay your toll? Go to ...  ... 9 days to pay" didn't catch the rest since I was driving in pretty thick traffic
 
2014-02-19 10:36:57 AM  
As somebody who isn't doing anything wrong, with nothing to hide, I'm ok with this. Giving up a little security for a lot of terrorism fighting. Win-win!

/Can't wait to read a United States history book in 20 years.
 
2014-02-19 10:38:32 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: In junior high school, I 'learned' that Soviet citizens could not just up and take vacations, but had to report their movements to the government. Any divergence from their plan = firing squad.


The farther away we get from the Soviet era in time, the closer we get to its principles.
 
2014-02-19 10:40:28 AM  
Vere are your papers?
 
2014-02-19 10:45:54 AM  
Yeah? Well, I'm with the department of go fark yourself,
DHS can go fark itself.
 
2014-02-19 10:47:23 AM  
I'm sick and tired of these do-nothing half-measures. What we need to do is just assign a full-time DHS agent to every single person in the country. They will live with you, watch your every move, and report everything they see to the federal government. That information, of course, will have restricted access to protect your privacy, which is paramount. The government may have access to how many times you masturbated yesterday, but they would have to get a warrant from a top secret court that reports to no one in order to find out that the porn that you were watching at the time involved midgets, she-males and farm animals. All of the information about your life, from the fact that you are unable to satisfy your wife in the sack to how you only jiggle once and always get a little pee in your underwear, will be stored in a highly secure, hack-proof database. The password for that database will totally NOT be "password", so don't even try that one. It's a waste of time. The point is, even though the government may be recording the fact that you measure your penis with a ruler and then sob quietly in the dark, they totally will NOT use that against you unless someone accuses you of being a terrorist. Think about it. If you think it's going to be awkward making the dog lick peanut butter off of your balls with a government agent watching you, how hard is it going to be to plan a terrorist attack? It's going to be pretty damn hard. Once every single person in the US is fully monitored 24 hours/day, we will be truly free to live our lives without dealing with the constant, crippling fear that some goat herder is going to crash a 747 into our homes and then rape our daughters. Can you even imagine being that free? Sure, it's going to be a little weird the first few times you lure a homeless "woman" back to your house to exchange a half-eaten ham sandwich for a quick blowjob, but you'll get used to those watching eyes silently judging you. Just remember, it's for the children.
 
2014-02-19 10:51:38 AM  
I enjoy pissing off cops that ask me where I'm coming from and going to. You don't actually have to tell them.

Where are you coming from?

"South of here"

Where are you going?

"North"

Are you trying to give me a hard time?

"I don't understand the question"
 
2014-02-19 10:53:01 AM  
TSA will require a RFID chip in every plate-- random spot checks will ensure that the correct tag is on the proper vehicle. (Citizens cannot opt out of the inspections because as a requirement of your driving privileges you give the government or its agents the authority to search you and your vehicles without notice and recourse). Ad this to the automatic EZPass query and reporting system  Anyone who does not agree must be Unpatriotic and Unmutual.
 
2014-02-19 10:59:27 AM  

saywhat: Spare me the phony outrage - if you didn't think they were already doing this then you're a naive fool.  In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.   They probably take a picture at every traffic light camera.  Same thing with credit card use - every time you use one they know where you are.  They use facial recognition software in shopping malls for goodness sake.  That barn doors been open for a long time and frankly I'm not that worried about it.  If the information being gathered starts being used inappropriately (currently undefined on my part), I'll be part of the uprising.


There won't be an uprising. Label, smear, divide and conquer tactics have been wildly successful for the Government.
 
2014-02-19 11:02:28 AM  

GoldSpider: pkellmey: Or, you know, trying to bring skin color into every conversation.

I don't think it was a coincidence that teabagger's concern over federal surveillance just happened to ramp up around January '09, but you're free to believe otherwise.


Because progs don't care about government surveillance either?
 
2014-02-19 11:07:09 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: /no wonder every bad thing in and out of my mouth keeps winding up on my employment record


It depends on what things wind up in your mouth
 
2014-02-19 11:07:49 AM  
With all the steps that our government is taking to secure our safety / security is just above and beyond all expectations.
I know, like many of us Farkers, that we can all rest easy now knowing that terrorist and criminals are being observed and tracked for our protection.
And what did it cost ? Just a few rights that we took for granted anyway.
 
2014-02-19 11:08:49 AM  

FarkinNortherner: smoky2010: There already is a national license plate reporting system. It is accessed every time you're pulled over or your plate is "ran" by a law enforcement agency.

Assuming that's true, it's not efficient enough to permit US border guards to discern that a TX plated rental car is the consequence of a one-way rental to BUF being taken on vacation to Toronto, as opposed to being the fugitive in the red Focus they were looking for. Was it implemented by EDS?

/not sure why I'd be driving into to the US
//nor why I wasn't stopped while leaving
///probably lucky not to be shot


EDS is a creepy ass company - been in the "god pod".
 
2014-02-19 11:08:56 AM  
Dear DHS:  I want a pony.  I've wanted a pony for 3x longer than your department has existed, and I still haven't gotten my pony.

Just 'cuz you want something, doesn't mean you're gonna get it.
 
2014-02-19 11:09:10 AM  

MBA Whore: Why the fark is my government screwing my country?


We get the government people vote for. Talk to your neighbors.
 
2014-02-19 11:12:44 AM  

antron: But... no papers?

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We don't have any 'peppers'!
 
2014-02-19 11:13:18 AM  
 First time I saw this was at an Ag stop in FL. Was only being used for semi trucks coming through.
First thought was "hey that's cool, they can pull out the text from a tag as it's moving up the ramp."
second thought was, "oh crap, it's only a matter of time until it's not just truckers getting this treatment."
For the record this was well before anyone(outside IL politics) even knew who Obama was.
 
2014-02-19 11:16:20 AM  

nyseattitude: saywhat: Spare me the phony outrage - if you didn't think they were already doing this then you're a naive fool.  In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.   They probably take a picture at every traffic light camera.  Same thing with credit card use - every time you use one they know where you are.  They use facial recognition software in shopping malls for goodness sake.  That barn doors been open for a long time and frankly I'm not that worried about it.  If the information being gathered starts being used inappropriately (currently undefined on my part), I'll be part of the uprising.

There won't be an uprising. Label, smear, divide and conquer tactics have been wildly successful for the Government.


This, as long as people are on the government tit they aren't about to upset the apple cart. Old folks on SS, people getting assistance for disability, free cell phones, help with paying the rent, food vouchers and a ton of other programs. It's just not going to happen. Why did 47% just come to mind?
 
2014-02-19 11:20:32 AM  

CombinedEffort: Welcome to the United Kingdom, citizen

subject...

FTF accuracy
 
2014-02-19 11:22:32 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I enjoy pissing off cops that ask me where I'm coming from and going to. You don't actually have to tell them.

Where are you coming from?

"South of here"

Where are you going?

"North"

Are you trying to give me a hard time?

"I don't understand the question"


That probably works in a lot of places, however in my area, the State Police will suddenly find a problem in your electronic record and intentionally inconvenience you with extended time on the side of the road as they waste time in their patrol car just to prove a point.
 
2014-02-19 11:27:44 AM  

GoldSpider: MBA Whore: Why the fark is my government screwing my country?

We get it, he's black.


What the fark does skin color have to do with anything?
 
2014-02-19 11:34:47 AM  
My God! The Gun Nuts were right! Now they're coming for my car!
 
2014-02-19 11:38:14 AM  
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