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(Washington Post)   The Department of Homeland Security wants to build a national license plate tracking system that will track every driver's movements around the country. What is your destination, citizen?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 147
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2014-02-19 09:40:51 AM
I need to patent my infrared laser diode plate "illuminator" that makes cameras useless for this kind of thing, but looks perfectly fine to the naked eye.
 
2014-02-19 09:41:07 AM
Usually the liquor store or a bar. big farking deal.
 
2014-02-19 09:42:17 AM
"The Department of Homeland Security wants a private company..."

I'm convinced. The free market has my best interests at heart. What could go wrong?

/Thanks, Bushbama
 
2014-02-19 09:42:24 AM
I'm sure nothing bad could ever come of this.
 
2014-02-19 09:42:55 AM
Wait, they don't already?
 
2014-02-19 09:43:16 AM
"It is important to note that this database would be run by a commercial enterprise, and the data would be collected and stored by the commercial enterprise, not the government,"

I feel so much safer now..
 
2014-02-19 09:43:20 AM
The cops are going to win this one.
 
2014-02-19 09:43:45 AM
In junior high school, I 'learned' that Soviet citizens could not just up and take vacations, but had to report their movements to the government. Any divergence from their plan = firing squad.
 
2014-02-19 09:44:00 AM
thewolfmancometh.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-19 09:44:27 AM
Won't that interfere with the tracking devices the dentists planted in our teeth?

/no wonder every bad thing in and out of my mouth keeps winding up on my employment record
 
2014-02-19 09:44:39 AM
I'm so glad I'm a Good German and this won't bother me.
 
2014-02-19 09:44:46 AM
Home, the grocery store, the dump, home, the grocery store...

Bring on the tracking device, prepare to be bored.
 
2014-02-19 09:44:53 AM
Why the fark is my government screwing my country?
 
2014-02-19 09:45:19 AM
Remember what people were called when they complained about setting up DHS and severely restricting ones ability to travel freely about the country?

Honestly, what the fark did people think was to happen?
 
2014-02-19 09:45:40 AM
Is it an improvement that they are telling us first instead of just doing it?
 
2014-02-19 09:46:03 AM
They're just taking necessary action where states have dragged their feet.  Nothing to see here, folks.
 
2014-02-19 09:46:24 AM
So - bout this ridiculous shiat that we seem to be just taking lying down with our legs up. The answer is.... WTF? NO! Find someone you agree with - talk to other people VOTE THAT MOTHERfarkER INTO AN OFFICE.
 
2014-02-19 09:47:11 AM
why would they need to do that, just track the locations of cellphones that most people have
 
2014-02-19 09:47:19 AM
I would imagine that they would start with a database of all the registered government license plates from all 50 states. Does that really require an outside company? Maybe to get it out of Microsoft Access format, but other than that it would just be an image search issue to retrieve the data.
 
2014-02-19 09:47:24 AM
There already is a national license plate reporting system. It is accessed every time you're pulled over or your plate is "ran" by a law enforcement agency.

I'm not concerned about this.
 
2014-02-19 09:47:36 AM
If this is implemented keep in mind whose administration was in power.
 
2014-02-19 09:48:05 AM

Brick-House:


Indeed.
You have an eye for the details.


/slippery slopes are slippery
//wheeeee
 
2014-02-19 09:48:19 AM

aseras: I need to patent my infrared laser diode plate "illuminator" that makes cameras useless for this kind of thing, but looks perfectly fine to the naked eye.


Hoping to wash out a license plate huh? These cameras are more than capable of exposing a bright-white california plate that is being hit by the full summer sun. Good luck with your little LED's trying to wash that out.
 
2014-02-19 09:50:15 AM

MBA Whore: Why the fark is my government screwing my country?


We get it, he's black.
 
2014-02-19 09:52:02 AM

GoldSpider: MBA Whore: Why the fark is my government screwing my country?

We get it, he's black.


Well, at least racism is alive and well at Fark.
 
2014-02-19 09:52:06 AM
Already being done with our cell phones.
 
2014-02-19 09:53:04 AM
BunkoSquad


Wait, they don't already?


This ^ Newer cars have it built in, I can't wait till they send you an ordinance to retro-fit cars older than 2010.
 
2014-02-19 09:54:13 AM
To track illegal immigrants? farking really?
 
2014-02-19 09:54:17 AM

pkellmey: Well, at least racism is alive and well at Fark.


Truly, these people didn't seem to mind this sort of thing when the white guy was president.
 
2014-02-19 09:54:37 AM
Terrorism: turning America into a capitalist fascist paradise since September 11, 2001.
 
2014-02-19 09:54:39 AM

MBA Whore: Why the fark is my government screwing my country?


Clearly you're a racist if you disagree with what's going on.
 
2014-02-19 09:55:09 AM

smoky2010: There already is a national license plate reporting system. It is accessed every time you're pulled over or your plate is "ran" by a law enforcement agency.


Assuming that's true, it's not efficient enough to permit US border guards to discern that a TX plated rental car is the consequence of a one-way rental to BUF being taken on vacation to Toronto, as opposed to being the fugitive in the red Focus they were looking for. Was it implemented by EDS?

/not sure why I'd be driving into to the US
//nor why I wasn't stopped while leaving
///probably lucky not to be shot
 
2014-02-19 09:55:13 AM
It's just metadata!
 
2014-02-19 09:56:15 AM
Welcome to the United Kingdom, citizen...
 
2014-02-19 09:57:31 AM
This is so sad.

What the hell has happened to this country?
 
2014-02-19 09:57:55 AM

BunkoSquad: Wait, they don't already?


They do.

But it's a patchwork of manufacturer vehicle tracking, all the various interstate/highway/tollbooth/bridge/police squad car cameras....

parts of these are close-to live data collection points, others archived info they have to query, most they have to work through 3rd parties,

basically a giant mess that probably never works quite right when they absolutely need it to.
 
2014-02-19 09:58:03 AM

GoldSpider: pkellmey: Well, at least racism is alive and well at Fark.

Truly, these people didn't seem to mind this sort of thing when the white guy was president.


Sure, because skin color is the root of all solutions.
 
2014-02-19 09:58:30 AM
huuhaablog.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-19 09:58:43 AM

GoldSpider: pkellmey: Well, at least racism is alive and well at Fark.

Truly, these people didn't seem to mind this sort of thing when the white guy was president.


Truly, the rate at which our freedoms and liberties have eroded has greatly accelerated since the white guy was president.

/hated Bush
//Obama is just worse
///next president will be even worse
 
2014-02-19 09:59:07 AM

GoldSpider: pkellmey: Well, at least racism is alive and well at Fark.

Truly, these people didn't seem to mind this sort of thing when the white guy was president.


I guess the irony of your post is lost on you.
 
2014-02-19 09:59:10 AM

SlothB77: Is it an improvement that they are telling us first instead of just doing it?


They're doing it already.  Now they're just fighting over who gets the data.
 
2014-02-19 10:00:32 AM
When Texas started putting annual registration stickers on license plates, sticker theft was a big problem overnight. The sticker is now inside the windshield and self destructs if removed.

You'll need to keep your license plate in the safe when ever you're not driving, because just like a gun, if someone steals it and commits a crime it's your fault.
 
2014-02-19 10:01:30 AM
Why would they need to do this? Every smartphone has GPS.
 
2014-02-19 10:01:52 AM
Been driving with a temporary license plate since November. Who knows what kind of terror I could have committed. Besides my horrible driving, of course.

Know terror committed while driving on temporary plates:
Driving in St. Louis
Ordering 'just a soda' from McDonald's Drive thru at lunchtime
Taking two parking spots (accidentally)
Parking so close to the line, no one can park in the next spot (intentionally)
Driving 55 in the left lane
Parking in Handicapped
Parking on Handicapped


Aisle seat to Gitmo, please
 
2014-02-19 10:02:40 AM
But... no papers?

i60.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-19 10:03:16 AM

duffblue: I guess the irony of your post is lost on you.


The "Pointing out racism is racist" play?
 
2014-02-19 10:03:17 AM
They are already doing this. Now they have to come up with a strategy to tell us about it.
 
2014-02-19 10:03:28 AM

smoky2010: There already is a national license plate reporting system. It is accessed every time you're pulled over or your plate is "ran" by a law enforcement agency.

I'm not concerned about this.


Is it S.C.M.O.D.S.?

/i hate DC Nazis
 
2014-02-19 10:03:54 AM

CombinedEffort: Welcome to the United Kingdom, citizen...


Not really. The United Kingdom currently has this:

MurphyMurphy:

...a patchwork of ... all the various interstate/highway/tollbooth/bridge/police squad car cameras....

parts of these are close-to live data collection points, others archived info they have to query, most they have to work through 3rd parties,

basically a giant mess that probably never works quite right when they absolutely need it to.
 
2014-02-19 10:03:57 AM

BitwiseShift: When Texas started putting annual registration stickers on license plates, sticker theft was a big problem overnight. The sticker is now inside the windshield and self destructs if removed.

You'll need to keep your license plate in the safe when ever you're not driving, because just like a gun, if someone steals it and commits a crime it's your fault.


that's funny.  We've used stickers on plates in Iowa for ever.  Those damn things are impossible to remove, they just sort of crack and chip off
 
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2014-02-19 10:04:19 AM

AliceBToklasLives: In junior high school, I 'learned' that Soviet citizens could not just up and take vacations, but had to report their movements to the government. Any divergence from their plan = firing squad.


yeah, "learned"
 
2014-02-19 10:04:46 AM

kidgenius: aseras: I need to patent my infrared laser diode plate "illuminator" that makes cameras useless for this kind of thing, but looks perfectly fine to the naked eye.

Hoping to wash out a license plate huh? These cameras are more than capable of exposing a bright-white california plate that is being hit by the full summer sun. Good luck with your little LED's trying to wash that out.


Someone doesn't know how infrared cameras work.  They operate outside the visual spectrum.

touchysubjects.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-19 10:05:49 AM
I'd be cool with it if it only recorded plates of vehicles of real interest but it won't work that way.
 
2014-02-19 10:06:10 AM

GoldSpider: duffblue: I guess the irony of your post is lost on you.

The "Pointing out racism is racist" play?


Or, you know, trying to bring skin color into every conversation.
 
2014-02-19 10:07:03 AM
FTFA: would help catch fugitive illegal immigrants

Right... because fugitive illegal immigrants are so good about keeping their legal records up to date.
 
2014-02-19 10:07:29 AM

redly1: BitwiseShift: When Texas started putting annual registration stickers on license plates, sticker theft was a big problem overnight. The sticker is now inside the windshield and self destructs if removed.

You'll need to keep your license plate in the safe when ever you're not driving, because just like a gun, if someone steals it and commits a crime it's your fault.

that's funny.  We've used stickers on plates in Iowa for ever.  Those damn things are impossible to remove, they just sort of crack and chip off


In Georgia they used to tell you to just score them with a razor blade a few times.  Now they have the license plate number printed on them.
 
2014-02-19 10:08:23 AM

BunkoSquad: Wait, they don't already?


Who is "they" and what are "they" doing? ;)

Local LEAs here in California are buying cruiser-mounted versions like they are candy. They work in real time as the cop drives around on cop business, alerting the officer to make, model and plate number when it detects a license plate with a "want or warrant", either parked or going in the same or opposite direction on the street. The difference? The cops are catching locally wanted criminals...not dumping all the data the system picks up into a nation-wide data base.

But an integrated near-comprehensive national system? That's a bit too Orwellian for my taste.
 
2014-02-19 10:08:34 AM

Marcus Aurelius: SlothB77: Is it an improvement that they are telling us first instead of just doing it?

They're doing it already.  Now they're just fighting over who gets the data.


For a while now, around here at least, many cop cars have plate scanners on them that just run the plate of every car they see on the road, be they just tooling around town, or even parked on the street. It will pull the cars status, and the owners status. If the owner comes back with something outstanding, or your car isn't correctly registered, they will stop you.

There has never been an expectation of privacy as far as license plates are concerned.
 
2014-02-19 10:09:57 AM
You are being tracked. http://www.aclu.org/alpr
 
2014-02-19 10:10:03 AM

redly1: BitwiseShift: When Texas started putting annual registration stickers on license plates, sticker theft was a big problem overnight. The sticker is now inside the windshield and self destructs if removed.

You'll need to keep your license plate in the safe when ever you're not driving, because just like a gun, if someone steals it and commits a crime it's your fault.

that's funny.  We've used stickers on plates in Iowa for ever.  Those damn things are impossible to remove, they just sort of crack and chip off


Self-destruct if removed stickers are pretty common now. Usually they are intentionally made to tear in certain areas when you try to remove them. Definitely cuts down on sticker theft.
 
2014-02-19 10:10:11 AM

pkellmey: Or, you know, trying to bring skin color into every conversation.


I don't think it was a coincidence that teabagger's concern over federal surveillance just happened to ramp up around January '09, but you're free to believe otherwise.
 
2014-02-19 10:10:25 AM
Spare me the phony outrage - if you didn't think they were already doing this then you're a naive fool.  In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.   They probably take a picture at every traffic light camera.  Same thing with credit card use - every time you use one they know where you are.  They use facial recognition software in shopping malls for goodness sake.  That barn doors been open for a long time and frankly I'm not that worried about it.  If the information being gathered starts being used inappropriately (currently undefined on my part), I'll be part of the uprising.
 
2014-02-19 10:11:15 AM
And the truth of the matter is, I don't really mind it. I pay a crapload of money for car insurance every year, plus registration, the hassle of renewing a DL every few years, etc. If it helps bust folks who are cheating the system, fine by me.

And all of that data is out there already if folks have a warrant and want to track your movements.

Certainly there are arguments to be made about government intrusion into privacy, but you need to pick and choose your battles. This isn't one of them.
 
2014-02-19 10:13:52 AM

GoldSpider: pkellmey: Or, you know, trying to bring skin color into every conversation.

I don't think it was a coincidence that teabagger's concern over federal surveillance just happened to ramp up around January '09, but you're free to believe otherwise.


It no longer sounds like a coincidence that you saw an issue with survelliance and believed that skin color was involved.
 
2014-02-19 10:15:21 AM

pkellmey: It no longer sounds like a coincidence that you saw an issue with survelliance and believed that skin color was involved.


Oh it's not just surveillance.
 
2014-02-19 10:16:40 AM
This is an outrage.jpg!  If we let them get away with this, then they may want to set up national databases for fingerprints and DNA samples!!!

/sends off a furious email to Rush
 
2014-02-19 10:17:12 AM
Land of the Free,
Home of the Brave.
 
2014-02-19 10:21:58 AM

ltdanman44: Someone doesn't know how infrared cameras work.  They operate outside the visual spectrum.


And the a bright white license plate in full sun is going to be reflecting a crap ton of infrared. I don't know this for a fact, but I'd be shocked if a few IR LEDs are more powerful than the reflected sun, and apparently the cameras can deal with the sun so I agree with the other poster that the IR LEDs aren't goign to do much.
 
2014-02-19 10:23:13 AM

eyemarten: What the hell has happened to this country?


We got scared of the brown people who were so uppity as to attack us in our home country.
 
2014-02-19 10:23:49 AM
*wanders off to look at my gps unit, my phone's gps that is on even when it's not turned on. Receipts of my occasional credit card use at gas stations  etc etc etc*
 
2014-02-19 10:24:06 AM
Ok, Farkers. Tin-foil hats on.
Creative toolkit out.

What's next in the timeline of society turning into this?

I'll get you started:

2014- a beautiful, young blonde girl gets carjacked, raped and killed. Outrage/Media frenzy. Government issues the Sandra act, making it a law for all cars to have tracking devices.
 
2014-02-19 10:25:06 AM
The only way you might consider having an expectation of privacy while driving around in your two ton vehicle on public roads is if your aluminum foil hat just slid down over your eyes and you are suddenly turning into a farmers market and confusing the gas for the brake.
 
2014-02-19 10:26:26 AM

MFAWG: Remember what people were called when they complained about setting up DHS and severely restricting ones ability to travel freely about the country?

Honestly, what the fark did people think was to happen?


Remember pretty much every city that set up a similar car tracking system and claimed that it would never be expanded?
 
2014-02-19 10:26:52 AM
The Driver's Privacy Protection Act is pretty lax on who is allowed to view your information. You can't view other peoples information based on the license plate number, but your employer can.
 
2014-02-19 10:27:18 AM

illegal.tender: Terrorism: turning America into a capitalist fascist paradise since September 11, 2001.


THIS

Truly, they got exactly what they wanted.
 
2014-02-19 10:30:50 AM
So they will know my routine work,home, lowes, red light district, place on the river I dump the hooker corpse. Nothing real intresting there really.
 
2014-02-19 10:33:22 AM

smoky2010: There already is a national license plate reporting system. It is accessed every time you're pulled over or your plate is "ran" by a law enforcement agency.

I'm not concerned about this.


There are already towns that have systems that notify authorities, by automatically scanning your license plate, if you have broken any laws, car is registered, wanted, etc.

Anyone who supports blatant violations of the 4th amendment should be the first against the wall.
 
2014-02-19 10:36:00 AM

saywhat: In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.


Thanks for mentioning this because it made me remember something.. I was driving through Chicago a few days ago and went through a toll road on the express side. Saw a sign that said something along the lines of "Forgot to pay your toll? Go to ...  ... 9 days to pay" didn't catch the rest since I was driving in pretty thick traffic
 
2014-02-19 10:36:57 AM
As somebody who isn't doing anything wrong, with nothing to hide, I'm ok with this. Giving up a little security for a lot of terrorism fighting. Win-win!

/Can't wait to read a United States history book in 20 years.
 
2014-02-19 10:38:32 AM

AliceBToklasLives: In junior high school, I 'learned' that Soviet citizens could not just up and take vacations, but had to report their movements to the government. Any divergence from their plan = firing squad.


The farther away we get from the Soviet era in time, the closer we get to its principles.
 
2014-02-19 10:40:28 AM
Vere are your papers?
 
2014-02-19 10:45:54 AM
Yeah? Well, I'm with the department of go fark yourself,
DHS can go fark itself.
 
2014-02-19 10:47:23 AM
I'm sick and tired of these do-nothing half-measures. What we need to do is just assign a full-time DHS agent to every single person in the country. They will live with you, watch your every move, and report everything they see to the federal government. That information, of course, will have restricted access to protect your privacy, which is paramount. The government may have access to how many times you masturbated yesterday, but they would have to get a warrant from a top secret court that reports to no one in order to find out that the porn that you were watching at the time involved midgets, she-males and farm animals. All of the information about your life, from the fact that you are unable to satisfy your wife in the sack to how you only jiggle once and always get a little pee in your underwear, will be stored in a highly secure, hack-proof database. The password for that database will totally NOT be "password", so don't even try that one. It's a waste of time. The point is, even though the government may be recording the fact that you measure your penis with a ruler and then sob quietly in the dark, they totally will NOT use that against you unless someone accuses you of being a terrorist. Think about it. If you think it's going to be awkward making the dog lick peanut butter off of your balls with a government agent watching you, how hard is it going to be to plan a terrorist attack? It's going to be pretty damn hard. Once every single person in the US is fully monitored 24 hours/day, we will be truly free to live our lives without dealing with the constant, crippling fear that some goat herder is going to crash a 747 into our homes and then rape our daughters. Can you even imagine being that free? Sure, it's going to be a little weird the first few times you lure a homeless "woman" back to your house to exchange a half-eaten ham sandwich for a quick blowjob, but you'll get used to those watching eyes silently judging you. Just remember, it's for the children.
 
2014-02-19 10:51:38 AM
I enjoy pissing off cops that ask me where I'm coming from and going to. You don't actually have to tell them.

Where are you coming from?

"South of here"

Where are you going?

"North"

Are you trying to give me a hard time?

"I don't understand the question"
 
2014-02-19 10:53:01 AM
TSA will require a RFID chip in every plate-- random spot checks will ensure that the correct tag is on the proper vehicle. (Citizens cannot opt out of the inspections because as a requirement of your driving privileges you give the government or its agents the authority to search you and your vehicles without notice and recourse). Ad this to the automatic EZPass query and reporting system  Anyone who does not agree must be Unpatriotic and Unmutual.
 
2014-02-19 10:59:27 AM

saywhat: Spare me the phony outrage - if you didn't think they were already doing this then you're a naive fool.  In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.   They probably take a picture at every traffic light camera.  Same thing with credit card use - every time you use one they know where you are.  They use facial recognition software in shopping malls for goodness sake.  That barn doors been open for a long time and frankly I'm not that worried about it.  If the information being gathered starts being used inappropriately (currently undefined on my part), I'll be part of the uprising.


There won't be an uprising. Label, smear, divide and conquer tactics have been wildly successful for the Government.
 
2014-02-19 11:02:28 AM

GoldSpider: pkellmey: Or, you know, trying to bring skin color into every conversation.

I don't think it was a coincidence that teabagger's concern over federal surveillance just happened to ramp up around January '09, but you're free to believe otherwise.


Because progs don't care about government surveillance either?
 
2014-02-19 11:07:09 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: /no wonder every bad thing in and out of my mouth keeps winding up on my employment record


It depends on what things wind up in your mouth
 
2014-02-19 11:07:49 AM
With all the steps that our government is taking to secure our safety / security is just above and beyond all expectations.
I know, like many of us Farkers, that we can all rest easy now knowing that terrorist and criminals are being observed and tracked for our protection.
And what did it cost ? Just a few rights that we took for granted anyway.
 
2014-02-19 11:08:49 AM

FarkinNortherner: smoky2010: There already is a national license plate reporting system. It is accessed every time you're pulled over or your plate is "ran" by a law enforcement agency.

Assuming that's true, it's not efficient enough to permit US border guards to discern that a TX plated rental car is the consequence of a one-way rental to BUF being taken on vacation to Toronto, as opposed to being the fugitive in the red Focus they were looking for. Was it implemented by EDS?

/not sure why I'd be driving into to the US
//nor why I wasn't stopped while leaving
///probably lucky not to be shot


EDS is a creepy ass company - been in the "god pod".
 
2014-02-19 11:08:56 AM
Dear DHS:  I want a pony.  I've wanted a pony for 3x longer than your department has existed, and I still haven't gotten my pony.

Just 'cuz you want something, doesn't mean you're gonna get it.
 
2014-02-19 11:09:10 AM

MBA Whore: Why the fark is my government screwing my country?


We get the government people vote for. Talk to your neighbors.
 
2014-02-19 11:12:44 AM

antron: But... no papers?

[i60.tinypic.com image 492x272]


We don't have any 'peppers'!
 
2014-02-19 11:13:18 AM
 First time I saw this was at an Ag stop in FL. Was only being used for semi trucks coming through.
First thought was "hey that's cool, they can pull out the text from a tag as it's moving up the ramp."
second thought was, "oh crap, it's only a matter of time until it's not just truckers getting this treatment."
For the record this was well before anyone(outside IL politics) even knew who Obama was.
 
2014-02-19 11:16:20 AM

nyseattitude: saywhat: Spare me the phony outrage - if you didn't think they were already doing this then you're a naive fool.  In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.   They probably take a picture at every traffic light camera.  Same thing with credit card use - every time you use one they know where you are.  They use facial recognition software in shopping malls for goodness sake.  That barn doors been open for a long time and frankly I'm not that worried about it.  If the information being gathered starts being used inappropriately (currently undefined on my part), I'll be part of the uprising.

There won't be an uprising. Label, smear, divide and conquer tactics have been wildly successful for the Government.


This, as long as people are on the government tit they aren't about to upset the apple cart. Old folks on SS, people getting assistance for disability, free cell phones, help with paying the rent, food vouchers and a ton of other programs. It's just not going to happen. Why did 47% just come to mind?
 
2014-02-19 11:20:32 AM

CombinedEffort: Welcome to the United Kingdom, citizen

subject...

FTF accuracy
 
2014-02-19 11:22:32 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I enjoy pissing off cops that ask me where I'm coming from and going to. You don't actually have to tell them.

Where are you coming from?

"South of here"

Where are you going?

"North"

Are you trying to give me a hard time?

"I don't understand the question"


That probably works in a lot of places, however in my area, the State Police will suddenly find a problem in your electronic record and intentionally inconvenience you with extended time on the side of the road as they waste time in their patrol car just to prove a point.
 
2014-02-19 11:27:44 AM

GoldSpider: MBA Whore: Why the fark is my government screwing my country?

We get it, he's black.


What the fark does skin color have to do with anything?
 
2014-02-19 11:34:47 AM
My God! The Gun Nuts were right! Now they're coming for my car!
 
2014-02-19 11:38:14 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-19 11:38:45 AM

Wangiss: CombinedEffort: Welcome to the United Kingdom, citizensubject...

FTF accuracy


No, you didn't.
 
2014-02-19 11:39:01 AM

Smeggy Smurf: GoldSpider: MBA Whore: Why the fark is my government screwing my country?

We get it, he's black.

What the fark does skin color have to do with anything?


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-19 11:41:55 AM
This slippery slope leads to:

i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-02-19 11:42:33 AM

saywhat: Spare me the phony outrage - if you didn't think they were already doing this then you're a naive fool.  In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.   They probably take a picture at every traffic light camera.  Same thing with credit card use - every time you use one they know where you are.  They use facial recognition software in shopping malls for goodness sake.  That barn doors been open for a long time and frankly I'm not that worried about it.  If the information being gathered starts being used inappropriately (currently undefined on my part), I'll be part of the uprising.


When I crossed a toll bridge in Washington State without any cash I got a bill in the mail. The private company that pursues their tolls allowed me to purchase a transponder and credit part of the purchase to my fine. I thought that was pretty clever.

When the government uses private organizations to accomplish compliance, it feels like fascism. Sadly, there's no solid definition of fascism. "A right-wing authoritarian government" is a sucky definition that can't really be applied to Washington, now, can it? Feels like a lexicographic cop-out (npi).
 
2014-02-19 11:42:37 AM
So they are going to spend a bazillion dollars on a system that can be defeated by switching license plates with a $5 wrench.
 
2014-02-19 11:48:57 AM
What do you think those traffic light cameras are for?

Old news.
 
2014-02-19 11:51:43 AM

GoldSpider: pkellmey: Well, at least racism is alive and well at Fark.

Truly, these people didn't seem to mind this sort of thing when the white guy was president.


I sure minded it when the white guy was president.

I don't care if the next president is green with purple polka dots, it's still wrong.
 
2014-02-19 12:03:23 PM

AliceBToklasLives: In junior high school, I 'learned' that Soviet citizens could not just up and take vacations, but had to report their movements to the government. Any divergence from their plan = firing squad.


I learned that from Red October... the guys with the accents said so.

"In America, you can travel between states with no papers"
"No papers?"
"No papers".

Ahh, remember the good old days when the US were the good guys and those wanting freedom looked up to us?
 
2014-02-19 12:10:18 PM
People get wound up about the government being too intrusive in their lives and let their imaginations run wild.  Overall, I think most people would be pleased with the results of a government-accessible, GPS device placed in cars.

Pros:  Amber alerts are a thing of the past.  Some dude snatched a kid and the police are on him.  Tracking dangerous criminals is much easier.  No more high-speed car chases as you can wait for the suspect's car to stop and/or plan measures to make him stop much more effectively.

Cons:  It's a slippery slope and could be used by some LEOs to track ex-girlfriends or government agencies with an agenda.

People either assume their government is completely incompetent or supremely pervasive and expert.  The answer is always somewhere in the middle.  People get spun up about some government bureaucrat monitoring their lives.  These jackwads couldn't even get Obamacare right when it was a cornerstone of his agenda and legacy.  You really think the same lot are going to be tracking your movements with ninja-like stealth and efficiency and using it for nefarious purposes?

Tracking chips in people's cars would be a way to easily increase safety for a large group of people and cost very little (in comparision) to other programs that we put up with to make us FEEL safer (I'm looking at you, TSA).  I get the argument that it would be the first step towards a totalitarian/invasive government.  I don't think that should stop us from taking steps that could help catch terrorists and criminals.
 
2014-02-19 12:11:37 PM

deanis: Usually the liquor store or a bar. big farking deal.


*knocking at door*

"Greetings citizen.  We have noticed you spend an inordinate amount of time at liquor stores and local drinking establishments.  You must now come with us.  We are taking you mandatory rehabilitation and re-education.  Your employer has already been notified"
 
2014-02-19 12:16:24 PM

FarkinNortherner: Wangiss: CombinedEffort: Welcome to the United Kingdom, citizensubject...

FTF accuracy

No, you didn't.


Oh. I'm sorry.
 
2014-02-19 12:16:34 PM
More half ass effort by the gubment!! I can see their intention behind this 'effort' by why not just embed a chip in some standardized license plate? that way you know real time tracking information. Wouldn't that make more sense?
not saying I would support such an effort but it would make a lot lot more logical sense.
 
2014-02-19 12:27:03 PM
I bet Michael Chertoff  is behind this. He made brazillions on airport scanners.
 
2014-02-19 12:38:47 PM

aseras: I need to patent my infrared laser diode plate "illuminator" that makes cameras useless for this kind of thing, but looks perfectly fine to the naked eye.


Somebody has designed glasses that does that to obscure facial recognition.
 
2014-02-19 12:42:12 PM
Private companies are allowed to own plate readers and use them ?
You stil have plate stickers?

Oh, America...
 
2014-02-19 12:42:54 PM
I'm sure some friend/relative of a DHS employee will be getting a fat no-bid contract.
 
2014-02-19 12:44:03 PM
I'm sure there are plenty of libs who had problems with FISA courts but are OK with this.  Suck it.
 
2014-02-19 01:00:41 PM

Brick-House: [thewolfmancometh.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]


That was an awesome movie.
 
2014-02-19 01:02:51 PM

LineNoise: Marcus Aurelius: SlothB77: Is it an improvement that they are telling us first instead of just doing it?

They're doing it already.  Now they're just fighting over who gets the data.

For a while now, around here at least, many cop cars have plate scanners on them that just run the plate of every car they see on the road, be they just tooling around town, or even parked on the street. It will pull the cars status, and the owners status. If the owner comes back with something outstanding, or your car isn't correctly registered, they will stop you.

There has never been an expectation of privacy as far as license plates are concerned.


I accept that if I am out in public, I can be subjected to such a scan.  Question I am curious about is if this would be legal or allowed in neighborhoods for cars parked in driveways (not everyone has a garage)?   I suspect not since police can use FLIR to try to detect grow houses.
 
2014-02-19 01:13:15 PM

6655321: TSA will require a RFID chip in every plate-- random spot checks will ensure that the correct tag is on the proper vehicle. (Citizens cannot opt out of the inspections because as a requirement of your driving privileges you give the government or its agents the authority to search you and your vehicles without notice and recourse). Ad this to the automatic EZPass query and reporting system  Anyone who does not agree must be Unpatriotic and Unmutual.


Funny you should say that about the TSA... they tried to pull a stunt like that here in Tennessee not too long ago.
 
2014-02-19 01:39:32 PM
I watch House of Cards not netflix so I know this is already happening.
 
2014-02-19 01:49:03 PM
I like this idea
ic.pics.livejournal.com

All you gotta do it cause problems and make them blow their 'capture your ass' budget and you're home free!
 
2014-02-19 01:50:36 PM

KidneyStone: I'd be cool with it if it only recorded plates of vehicles of real interest but it won't work that way.



The fact that they capture all plates is kinda the point of it. Say someone commits a crime in New York and then is tagged by their phone as they drive to Albany (or a crime is committed there obviously by the same person). It's going to need a decent crime as it's a shiat-load of work, but this is something I do on a daily basis.

The cops compare every plate that left New York to the ones that turn up in Albany - hey presto there's the crook's car, it doesn't even matter if it's a rental.

Personally I've worked out who did a child kidnap, a rape and several armed robberies. Not to mention a murder or three.

Why are so many farkers supporting criminals?
 
2014-02-19 01:51:47 PM

mod3072: I'm sick and tired of these do-nothing half-measures. What we need to do is just assign a full-time DHS agent to every single person in the country. They will live with you, watch your every move, and report everything they see to the federal government. That information, of course, will have restricted access to protect your privacy, which is paramount. The government may have access to how many times you masturbated yesterday, but they would have to get a warrant from a top secret court that reports to no one in order to find out that the porn that you were watching at the time involved midgets, she-males and farm animals. All of the information about your life, from the fact that you are unable to satisfy your wife in the sack to how you only jiggle once and always get a little pee in your underwear, will be stored in a highly secure, hack-proof database. The password for that database will totally NOT be "password", so don't even try that one. It's a waste of time. The point is, even though the government may be recording the fact that you measure your penis with a ruler and then sob quietly in the dark, they totally will NOT use that against you unless someone accuses you of being a terrorist. Think about it. If you think it's going to be awkward making the dog lick peanut butter off of your balls with a government agent watching you, how hard is it going to be to plan a terrorist attack? It's going to be pretty damn hard. Once every single person in the US is fully monitored 24 hours/day, we will be truly free to live our lives without dealing with the constant, crippling fear that some goat herder is going to crash a 747 into our homes and then rape our daughters. Can you even imagine being that free? Sure, it's going to be a little weird the first few times you lure a homeless "woman" back to your house to exchange a half-eaten ham sandwich for a quick blowjob, but you'll get used to those watching eyes silently judging you. Just remember, it's for the child ...


But then if each person gets assigned their own DHS agent, then each agent will need an agent. And that agent will need an agent and so on, until we've got the human verson of a grey goo scenario.
 
2014-02-19 01:53:54 PM

LordBeavis: People get wound up about the government being too intrusive in their lives and let their imaginations run wild.  Overall, I think most people would be pleased with the results of a government-accessible, GPS device placed in cars.

Pros:  Amber alerts are a thing of the past.  Some dude snatched a kid and the police are on him.  Tracking dangerous criminals is much easier.  No more high-speed car chases as you can wait for the suspect's car to stop and/or plan measures to make him stop much more effectively.

Cons:  It's a slippery slope and could be used by some LEOs to track ex-girlfriends or government agencies with an agenda.

People either assume their government is completely incompetent or supremely pervasive and expert.  The answer is always somewhere in the middle.  People get spun up about some government bureaucrat monitoring their lives.  These jackwads couldn't even get Obamacare right when it was a cornerstone of his agenda and legacy.  You really think the same lot are going to be tracking your movements with ninja-like stealth and efficiency and using it for nefarious purposes?

Tracking chips in people's cars would be a way to easily increase safety for a large group of people and cost very little (in comparision) to other programs that we put up with to make us FEEL safer (I'm looking at you, TSA).  I get the argument that it would be the first step towards a totalitarian/invasive government.  I don't think that should stop us from taking steps that could help catch terrorists and criminals.


Can't tell if serious, or just stupid.
 
2014-02-19 01:57:50 PM

Hyjamon: LineNoise: Marcus Aurelius: SlothB77: Is it an improvement that they are telling us first instead of just doing it?

They're doing it already.  Now they're just fighting over who gets the data.

For a while now, around here at least, many cop cars have plate scanners on them that just run the plate of every car they see on the road, be they just tooling around town, or even parked on the street. It will pull the cars status, and the owners status. If the owner comes back with something outstanding, or your car isn't correctly registered, they will stop you.

There has never been an expectation of privacy as far as license plates are concerned.

I accept that if I am out in public, I can be subjected to such a scan.  Question I am curious about is if this would be legal or allowed in neighborhoods for cars parked in driveways (not everyone has a garage)?


It already is; aircraft (manned and unmanned) track cars, people, and objects -- including vehicles parked outdoors, and vehicles can also be tracked as they exit and enter garages.  We are fully surveilled at the discretion of who-the-fark-knows, even while in the "privacy" of our homes.  Online activity, phone data, bank records, everything.  LEOs are fully authorized to search your trash cans as well.  Nothing to see here, citizen.  Stay.  Asleep.
 
2014-02-19 02:05:45 PM

MythDragon: mod3072: I'm sick and tired of these do-nothing half-measures. What we need to do is just assign a full-time DHS agent to every single person in the country. They will live with you, watch your every move, and report everything they see to the federal government. That information, of course, will have restricted access to protect your privacy, which is paramount. The government may have access to how many times you masturbated yesterday, but they would have to get a warrant from a top secret court that reports to no one in order to find out that the porn that you were watching at the time involved midgets, she-males and farm animals. All of the information about your life, from the fact that you are unable to satisfy your wife in the sack to how you only jiggle once and always get a little pee in your underwear, will be stored in a highly secure, hack-proof database. The password for that database will totally NOT be "password", so don't even try that one. It's a waste of time. The point is, even though the government may be recording the fact that you measure your penis with a ruler and then sob quietly in the dark, they totally will NOT use that against you unless someone accuses you of being a terrorist. Think about it. If you think it's going to be awkward making the dog lick peanut butter off of your balls with a government agent watching you, how hard is it going to be to plan a terrorist attack? It's going to be pretty damn hard. Once every single person in the US is fully monitored 24 hours/day, we will be truly free to live our lives without dealing with the constant, crippling fear that some goat herder is going to crash a 747 into our homes and then rape our daughters. Can you even imagine being that free? Sure, it's going to be a little weird the first few times you lure a homeless "woman" back to your house to exchange a half-eaten ham sandwich for a quick blowjob, but you'll get used to those watching eyes silently judging you. Just remember, it's for ...


Simple solution: find two people who hate each other, and then hire them to spy on each other. Everyone gets their own "spy buddy" to keep track of their whereabouts. You could even chain them together, so they don't slack off. I watch you, you watch me. We're all watchers, and we're all watched. Sure, it's going to be inconvenient, but that's just the price we pay for security.
 
2014-02-19 02:08:13 PM

lunkhed: Why are so many farkers supporting criminals?


I don't "support criminals" -- I oppose unreasonable searching, which surveilling and tracking (and compiling the data) is.  The data is misconstrued and abused.
 
2014-02-19 02:33:37 PM

saywhat: Spare me the phony outrage - if you didn't think they were already doing this then you're a naive fool.  In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.   They probably take a picture at every traffic light camera.  Same thing with credit card use - every time you use one they know where you are.  They use facial recognition software in shopping malls for goodness sake.  That barn doors been open for a long time and frankly I'm not that worried about it.  If the information being gathered starts being used inappropriately (currently undefined on my part), I'll be part of the uprising.



It's cute that you think an uprising would be possible at that point. Too many movies for you, I think.
 
2014-02-19 02:37:54 PM

mod3072: Simple solution: find two people who hate each other, and then hire them to spy on each other. Everyone gets their own "spy buddy" to keep track of their whereabouts


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Scooter spy buddieeeeeeeeees!
 
2014-02-19 03:17:06 PM

ginko: AliceBToklasLives: In junior high school, I 'learned' that Soviet citizens could not just up and take vacations, but had to report their movements to the government. Any divergence from their plan = firing squad.

I learned that from Red October... the guys with the accents said so.

"In America, you can travel between states with no papers"
"No papers?"
"No papers".

Ahh, remember the good old days when the US were the good guys and those wanting freedom looked up to us?


I do.  Even Ho Chi Minh quoted the U.S. Declaration of Independence in Vietnam's own Declaration.
 
2014-02-19 03:46:30 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: aseras: I need to patent my infrared laser diode plate "illuminator" that makes cameras useless for this kind of thing, but looks perfectly fine to the naked eye.

Somebody has designed glasses that does that to obscure facial recognition.


I saw that episode of White Collar too.
 
2014-02-19 03:48:02 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-19 03:51:24 PM

CoonAce: lunkhed: Why are so many farkers supporting criminals?

I don't "support criminals" -- I oppose unreasonable searching, which surveilling and tracking (and compiling the data) is.  The data is misconstrued and abused.


Sadly it was only Scalia in his concurrence on Jones that noticed yhe aggregation of data can equal a search. The liberal justices didn't bat an eye since it was in public.

With enough information such as phone location and license plate readers, a government employee can basically recreate the life of an ordinary citizen without a warrant.
 
2014-02-19 03:56:16 PM
MBA Whore
2014-02-19 09:44:53 AM


Why the fark is my government screwing my country?

Probably because we keep electing fascists.
 
2014-02-19 04:33:29 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I'm sure nothing bad could ever come of this.


And if you don't like it then you are racist.  That's a fact.
 
2014-02-19 04:38:06 PM

MBA Whore: Why the fark is my government screwing my country?


Because we are letting them.
 
2014-02-19 07:51:36 PM

BitwiseShift: You'll need to keep your license plate in the safe when ever you're not driving, because just like a gun, if someone steals it and commits a crime it's your fault.


When I was in Greece I noticed that the license plates were attached to cars with pop-rivets instead of screws. I asked about it and was told it was because theft of the 'number plates' as they are called, was a problem because people were stealing other cars' plates to fool all the red-light and speed cams. And since the numbers are assigned for the life of the car and never change, riveting the plate in place on your car was a good solution.
 
2014-02-19 07:59:17 PM
UPDATE: PROGRAM CANCELLED (at least for now, until all the attention dies away and you don't notice, and it gets re-instated on a Friday afternoon on a three-day weekend)

Department of Homeland Security cancels national license-plate tracking plan
 
2014-02-19 09:13:52 PM
U Shiat A!  U Shiat A!
 
2014-02-19 09:23:16 PM
LOST TAG
 
2014-02-19 09:25:02 PM

KeatingFive: MBA Whore: Why the fark is my government screwing my country?

We get the government people vote for. Talk to your neighbors.


A two-party system is a sham; at least the one in the United States of Murkin is.
 
2014-02-19 09:27:54 PM

Alien Robot: UPDATE: PROGRAM CANCELLED (at least for now, until all the attention dies away and you don't notice, and it gets re-instated on a Friday afternoon on a three-day weekend)

Department of Homeland Security cancels national license-plate tracking plan


Well, that didn't take long. Looks like somebody forgot the first rule of bureaucratic life...never embarrass the boss.
 
2014-02-20 12:14:14 AM
I luv the way they need a private company to do it, because a private company is not restricted in how they use the private information of 'customers'.  It's a way too get around the rules that 'hamstring' (read: stop from becoming Nazis) government departments. But nothing stops a government department from buying such information from a private company.

Anyone in a government department who suggests such things should be fired and then jailed for treason ... alas I fear the horse has already bolted and such 'tricky tricks' has become the norm ... "oh I just found a way for us too get around these pesky rules", "sweet here is your promotion"  (read the derp and hurdles the Bush era lawyers went through in order to change the concept of 'torture' into an acceptable proceedure called 'enhanced interrogation', and still none of those farks have gone to jail :(
 
2014-02-20 12:17:30 AM

AliceBToklasLives: In junior high school, I 'learned' that Soviet citizens could not just up and take vacations, but had to report their movements to the government. Any divergence from their plan = firing squad.


Although the firing squad is an exageration, a citzen still cannot move freely around Russia - they have to report where they are staying.  My ex-boss went looking for a Russian bride and when she stayed at his hotel she had to show her ID and be logged into the database as having stayed there with him.  Most of Russia's supposed new freedoms are smoke screens, it's pretty much still the same totalitarian state.
 
2014-02-20 12:42:28 AM

Wangiss: saywhat: Spare me the phony outrage - if you didn't think they were already doing this then you're a naive fool.  In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.   They probably take a picture at every traffic light camera.  Same thing with credit card use - every time you use one they know where you are.  They use facial recognition software in shopping malls for goodness sake.  That barn doors been open for a long time and frankly I'm not that worried about it.  If the information being gathered starts being used inappropriately (currently undefined on my part), I'll be part of the uprising.

When I crossed a toll bridge in Washington State without any cash I got a bill in the mail. The private company that pursues their tolls allowed me to purchase a transponder and credit part of the purchase to my fine. I thought that was pretty clever.

When the government uses private organizations to accomplish compliance, it feels like fascism. Sadly, there's no solid definition of fascism. "A right-wing authoritarian government" is a sucky definition that can't really be applied to Washington, now, can it? Feels like a lexicographic cop-out (npi).


The definition of fascism is pretty much: "a form of government in which there is a collusion between the government and corporations (the Elite) in order to control and direct the activities of the citizens in ways which benefit and maintain the control of said government and corporations (the Elite)."  Its basically a system in which corporations become as important as the government and in which the people come a very sad last third and human decency takes an even sadder last place.

They can often appear too be quite nice - bread and circuses (food and entertainment) have been historically shown to be a great way to keep the people/masses from responding (look too Singapore and Dubai as excellent modern examples).

Alas the central truth of a Fascist state is that the activities of the government and corporations is not too benefit the totality of the community, but to maintain the status quo and to enhance the power and wealth of the Elite.  Human Rights, Human Dignity, Common Decency, etc. are not in their play book.

Control and maintainance of the status quo are the name of the game.
 
2014-02-20 12:50:01 AM
People don't seem to realize that an effective police force is a luxury.
 
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