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(Reuters)   VW vows to fark over the South if they continue to fark over the workers. FINE, we don't need your commie-nazi cars. We'll just go back to eating our dirt and being happy, Gustav   (reuters.com) divider line 41
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2014-02-19 09:52:45 AM
Apparently the socialisms in Germany are so terrible that the management of VW want's them here.
 
2014-02-19 09:53:51 AM
Republican U.S. Senator Bob Corker, a staunch opponent of unionization, said last Wednesday after the first day of voting that VW would award the factory another model if the UAW was rejected.


I'm sure Mr. Corker will be held accountable for this blatant lie.
 
2014-02-19 10:53:35 AM

grumpfuff: Republican U.S. Senator Bob Corker, a staunch opponent of unionization, said last Wednesday after the first day of voting that VW would award the factory another model if the UAW was rejected.


I'm sure Mr. Corker will be held accountable for this blatant lie.


Hah! By who? Basically the only option is that the people of Tennessee who elected Mr. Corker would decline to re-elect him. I'm not holding my breath.
 
2014-02-19 10:56:06 AM
I wish this was how the US treated Southeast Asia.
 
2014-02-19 10:57:37 AM

qorkfiend: grumpfuff: Republican U.S. Senator Bob Corker, a staunch opponent of unionization, said last Wednesday after the first day of voting that VW would award the factory another model if the UAW was rejected.


I'm sure Mr. Corker will be held accountable for this blatant lie.

Hah! By who? Basically the only option is that the people of Tennessee who elected Mr. Corker would decline to re-elect him. I'm not holding my breath.


I'd suggest taking your sarcasm detector in for a tune-up, it appears to be a bit faulty.
 
2014-02-19 10:59:02 AM
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2014-02-19 11:00:08 AM
TFA: "It's possible that the conclusion will be drawn that this interference amounted to unfair labor praxis."

I know that anti-unionism is a bit cultish, but I didn't realize that it had achieved full Religion status yet.
 
2014-02-19 11:02:15 AM
VW, like many Euro manufacturers, like employee Unions. Yes, they're difference in structure but by enabling a partnership for better conditions all around you see a increase in productivity and quality.

Dipshiats, like Bob Corker, have no idea about these revolutionary ideas and only want to slobber the cocks of the "jerb creatorz".

And people wonder why America is quickly beoming a third world nation in many regions.
 
2014-02-19 11:08:25 AM
Zey are from ze land of shocolat!
 
2014-02-19 11:15:17 AM

trotsky: And people wonder why America is quickly beoming a third world nation in many regions.


Wasn't America overly fond of farking with labor rules (or preventing the farking-with of labor rules) in these developing countries (Singapore, Vietnam, HK, Indonesia)? Isn't this then just turnabout being fair play, and those with money dictating the terms of transfer to those who want money?

In closing, get stuck in a refrigerator while a nuke goes off nearby, Corker.

// more of a metaphor than an actual wish of harm on a sitting US Senator
 
2014-02-19 11:20:05 AM

loser0: TFA: "It's possible that the conclusion will be drawn that this interference amounted to unfair labor praxis."

I know that anti-unionism is a bit cultish, but I didn't realize that it had achieved full Religion status yet.


Persecution! Persecution! Being anti-union is a god-given right. Criticize at your own peril.
 
2014-02-19 12:04:41 PM
The issue is really US labor law.  The workers in Chattanooga want a Works Council, but they can't have one without a union.  They just didn't want the UAW.  There's been a few other articles about how they may set up a Works Council that would skirt the US labor laws without the UAW.
 
2014-02-19 12:27:33 PM
This is not VW threatening no new southern plants.  It is the main german union threatening no new southern plants and they can do that because VW has ceeded some power to them on the decission making for plant openings and closings.  So this really is a union throwing a fit because some americans do not want to join a union.
 
2014-02-19 12:29:59 PM

slayer199: The issue is really US labor law.  The workers in Chattanooga want a Works Council, but they can't have one without a union.  They just didn't want the UAW.  There's been a few other articles about how they may set up a Works Council that would skirt the US labor laws without the UAW.


Hey! You got rational discussion in my derp, jerkface. What the hell do you think is? This is Fark. We read a headline and then loudly spout something that either supports our own previously held beliefs or mocks the "other side". Reading articles, providing context, and digging any deeper than the political outrage du jour is strictly verboten. I think you can get banned for that. Watch your step, mister.
 
2014-02-19 12:30:58 PM

slayer199: The issue is really US labor law.  The workers in Chattanooga want a Works Council, but they can't have one without a union.  They just didn't want the UAW.  There's been a few other articles about how they may set up a Works Council that would skirt the US labor laws without the UAW.


This.

In addition to this, UAW had already pre-agreed to several pro-management bargaining positions (including "maintaining VW's cost advantage in manufacturing") that meant workers had no cause to want UAW to have a seat at the table.
 
2014-02-19 12:33:33 PM

Saiga410: This is not VW threatening no new southern plants.  It is the main german union threatening no new southern plants and they can do that because VW has ceeded some power to them on the decission making for plant openings and closings.  So this really is a union throwing a fit because some americans do not want to join a union.


UAW also had already spent a tonne of money (that's the metric tonne, not the Imperial ton) with the German unions to get them to have ins with VW to prevent the company from fighting the union's organization.

The amusing thing here is that the German union doesn't have any leverage on the workers.
 
2014-02-19 12:55:35 PM

slayer199: The issue is really US labor law.  The workers in Chattanooga want a Works Council, but they can't have one without a union.  They just didn't want the UAW.  There's been a few other articles about how they may set up a Works Council that would skirt the US labor laws without the UAW.


Don't you DARE bring facts into a fark thread!
 
2014-02-19 12:58:12 PM

grumpfuff: Republican U.S. Senator Bob Corker, a staunch opponent of unionization, said last Wednesday after the first day of voting that VW would award the factory another model if the UAW was rejected.


I'm sure Mr. Corker will be held accountable for this blatant lie.


I hope that VW personally names him as one of the reasons why their next factory isn't in the South.
 
2014-02-19 01:00:51 PM

Satanic_Hamster: grumpfuff: Republican U.S. Senator Bob Corker, a staunch opponent of unionization, said last Wednesday after the first day of voting that VW would award the factory another model if the UAW was rejected.


I'm sure Mr. Corker will be held accountable for this blatant lie.

I hope that VW personally names him as one of the reasons why their next factory isn't in the South.


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2014-02-19 02:34:11 PM
If only VW had known it was setting up shop in a right to work state.
 
2014-02-19 03:48:30 PM

Satanic_Hamster: I hope that VW personally names him as one of the reasons why their next factory isn't in the South.


Rhetoric aside, if they build another US plant, you can pretty much bet it will be in the south.
 
2014-02-19 04:41:47 PM
Hey foreign automakers.  Springfield, MA has a long tradition of making quality vehicles and plenty of space available where they used to make them.
 
2014-02-19 05:29:52 PM

lilbjorn: Hey foreign automakers.  Springfield, MA has a long tradition of making quality vehicles and plenty of space available where they used to make them.


VW wants a nice markup.  Paying people in MA for a product to be sold across the US doesn't support that cause, thus Tennessee.
 
2014-02-19 05:30:15 PM
So the head of the Labor Union at VW Germany say he will try to limit future expansion in the US south unless the US plant accepts Labor unions.

Yawn.

bad headline writer
 
2014-02-19 07:34:40 PM

bhcompy: lilbjorn: Hey foreign automakers.  Springfield, MA has a long tradition of making quality vehicles and plenty of space available where they used to make them.

VW wants a nice markup.  Paying people in MA for a product to be sold across the US doesn't support that cause, thus Tennessee.


And this is only possible because states cannot control what comes into their own borders.  Why not go south and use slave labor if you can still sell your cars in the north.
 
2014-02-19 07:40:13 PM

JustGetItRight: Rhetoric aside, if they build another US plant, you can pretty much bet it will be in the south.


Why?

They're a pro-Union company that just had a LOT of political interference in their effort to unionize a plant, INCLUDING having the state threatening to reneg on all the promises and incentives that convinces VW to build there in a first place?

ALL the automakers are going to take a note of that as well as other major businesses.  When you have the state threatening to go back on their offers of the very deals they made to get the businesses there the moment they do something the Tea Party doesn't like, you're going to have all them asking if they can trust the Republicans to keep their words.

Oh, your company that just built a big plant in Missouri decided to offer benefits to same sex partners?  Guess we better cancel all the tax incentives we gave you to move here.
 
2014-02-19 07:51:06 PM

JustGetItRight: Satanic_Hamster: I hope that VW personally names him as one of the reasons why their next factory isn't in the South.

Rhetoric aside, if they build another US plant, you can pretty much bet it will be in the south.


And the unions and insane taxes will make sure any new plants will never be built in the north.
 
2014-02-19 08:28:11 PM
Fark the south.
 
2014-02-19 09:29:21 PM
slayer199,

Thank you for your post as it has been about 20 years since my labor econ class, so I could not recall if there was a barrier to a company and its workers forming some type of "worker's council" without being unionized.

Without delving into the "union/no union" argument, it seems to me that it makes little to no sense for these councils to be banned in non-unionized shops.
 
2014-02-19 11:57:41 PM
I think it's awesome how the German execs get to go home and tell everybody that the GOP elected officials are so farking bought by industry that they farked over their own constituents by lying to sway voting when both the workers and the company wanted unions.  That will earn us SO much respect internationally!  It's morning again in America and we're standing tall because the world knows how great we are.
 
2014-02-20 12:25:17 AM

Aquapope: I think it's awesome how the German execs get to go home and tell everybody that the GOP elected officials are so farking bought by industry that they farked over their own constituents by lying to sway voting when both the workers and the company wanted unions.  That will earn us SO much respect internationally!  It's morning again in America and we're standing tall because the world knows how great we are.


I think a more important lesson:
We now have foreign companies that know, on record, that Republican state governments will flip out and attempt to cancel agreed upon tax and financial incentives with a company if that company does something deemed "too liberal."
 
2014-02-20 08:45:12 AM

Satanic_Hamster: grumpfuff: Republican U.S. Senator Bob Corker, a staunch opponent of unionization, said last Wednesday after the first day of voting that VW would award the factory another model if the UAW was rejected.


I'm sure Mr. Corker will be held accountable for this blatant lie.

I hope that VW personally names him as one of the reasons why their next factory isn't in the South.


If the people in the southern USA are so farking stupid as to vote against their own best interests like this, well bring that VW plant to the Northwest! We'll be glad to build cars at union wages up here!
 
2014-02-20 08:57:52 AM

Aquapope: I think it's awesome how the German execs get to go home and tell everybody that the GOP elected officials are so farking bought by industry that they farked over their own constituents by lying to sway voting when both the workers and the company wanted unions.  That will earn us SO much respect internationally!  It's morning again in America and we're standing tall because the world knows how great we are.


No, they both want a workers council, which apparently Is illegal in a non unionized shop? Bottom line, this was a rejection of the UAW.
 
2014-02-20 09:23:36 AM

grumpfuff: Republican U.S. Senator Bob Corker, a staunch opponent of unionization, said last Wednesday after the first day of voting that VW would award the factory another model if the UAW was rejected.


I'm sure Mr. Corker will be held accountable for this blatant lie.


Actually I do not think Corker lied.  With the rejection of the UAW the german union is going to block any new plants in the US.  If VW wants to expand US productions  they are forced to only expand in the Chattanooga plant fulfilling Corkers statement.
 
2014-02-20 09:33:21 AM

coffeeplease: No, they both want a workers council, which apparently Is illegal in a non unionized shop? Bottom line, this was a rejection of the UAW.


Both VW Management and the workers at the Chattanooga plant want a Works Council.  Because of US labor law, they can't have it without union representation.  The VW workers rejected the UAW, not a Works Council.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2014/02/18/vw-workers-may-still-get-work s- council-despite-uaw-vote/
 
2014-02-20 10:26:26 AM

Saiga410: Actually I do not think Corker lied. With the rejection of the UAW the german union is going to block any new plants in the US. If VW wants to expand US productions they are forced to only expand in the Chattanooga plant fulfilling Corkers statement


Corker claimed that VW was against unionization and that they would reward the plant with expanded production if the vote failed.

That is a lie.
 
2014-02-20 12:57:27 PM

Saiga410: grumpfuff: Republican U.S. Senator Bob Corker, a staunch opponent of unionization, said last Wednesday after the first day of voting that VW would award the factory another model if the UAW was rejected.


I'm sure Mr. Corker will be held accountable for this blatant lie.

Actually I do not think Corker lied.  With the rejection of the UAW the german union is going to block any new plants in the US.  If VW wants to expand US productions  they are forced to only expand in the Chattanooga plant fulfilling Corkers statement.


That isn't how the works council works... they also approve expansions... and they aren't bloody likely to approve expansion in a place so fraught with corruption. Seriously, my German friends are just aghast that politicians here can openly interfere with unionization and not be in any kind of trouble for it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if you see the Chattanooga plant simply fail to expand for the next 15-20 years while plants are built in more union friendly states, then shut down entirely if there is a recession or economic impetus that can give them cover to get out of there.
 
2014-02-20 03:56:59 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Why?


The same reason they located there in the first place.

Inexpensive (if not outright free) land.
Lower taxes.
Lots of government incentives.
Good, reliable, and comparatively inexpensive workforce.

They may be pissed now, but when it comes time to pick a new location those arguments will win out.

Since 2000
Toyota has opened plants in Texas and Mississippi.
Honda has opened a plant in Alabama.  They opened another in Indiana (which is a right to work state).
Nissan has opened a plant in Mississippi.
Hyundai has opened a plant in Alabama.
Kia has opened a plant in the Georgia.
GM has opened a plant in Michigan

Unless I missed one, that makes the score in the last decade or so is 6 new plants in the south, 1 in a right to work midwestern state, and 1 in the north - with the only northern one being an American company with an existing presence.

They're coming to the south and one pissed off German union boss will not change it.
 
2014-02-20 04:39:44 PM

JustGetItRight: Since 2000
Toyota has opened plants in Texas and Mississippi.
Honda has opened a plant in Alabama. They opened another in Indiana (which is a right to work state).
Nissan has opened a plant in Mississippi.
Hyundai has opened a plant in Alabama.
Kia has opened a plant in the Georgia.
GM has opened a plant in Michigan

Unless I missed one, that makes the score in the last decade or so is 6 new plants in the south, 1 in a right to work midwestern state, and 1 in the north - with the only northern one being an American company with an existing presence.

They're coming to the south and one pissed off German union boss will not change it.


Telsa Factory opened in California
 
2014-02-20 06:07:52 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Saiga410: Actually I do not think Corker lied. With the rejection of the UAW the german union is going to block any new plants in the US. If VW wants to expand US productions they are forced to only expand in the Chattanooga plant fulfilling Corkers statement

Corker claimed that VW was against unionization and that they would reward the plant with expanded production if the vote failed.

That is a lie.


When I saw him on Channel 5 news and heard him say threaten the workers against the union I almost had a stroke.
He told a blatant lie.
Why did he even have to say a word?
 
2014-02-20 06:09:17 PM
 Preview is your friend!
 ....heard him THREATEN the workers against voting for the union......
sorry
 
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