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(Des Moines Register)   In 2013, three Iowans were killed by synthetic marijuana; just imagine what would happen if regular marijuana were legal in the state, right? RIGHT?   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 56
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2014-02-19 08:41:46 AM  
Since studies show it makes you dumber.. it'd have no effect on Iowa. Just sayin'...
 
2014-02-19 08:42:25 AM  
Less people would die from synthetic marijuana?
 
2014-02-19 08:43:47 AM  
100s upon 100s dead. In the first month alone.
Fox news
 
2014-02-19 08:46:15 AM  
Hmm. Interesting.  I'll need some data to compare it to other drugs before I decide how I feel about this.  How many died, in that same timeframe, from alcohol or nicotine use?
 
2014-02-19 08:47:51 AM  
 
2014-02-19 08:48:54 AM  
Never do more than 3.

/RIP Becky
 
2014-02-19 08:49:18 AM  

roadkillontheweb: 100s upon 100s dead. In the first month alone.
Fox news


Don't forget the Knockout Game.
 
2014-02-19 08:52:03 AM  
Billed as synthetic marijuana and sold at gas stations.... sounds a hell of a lot like incense and I have never been hard up enough to smoke incense.
 
2014-02-19 08:54:58 AM  
The synthetic stuff is very good, but it has some really shiatty side effects. Full blown addiction is one. Real marijuana doesnt do that. Coughing up black mucus is another. Once again, real marijuana doesnt do that.

Legalize the real stuff, SC.
 
2014-02-19 09:01:53 AM  

sendtodave: Less people would die from synthetic marijuana?


+1
 
2014-02-19 09:04:16 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Since studies show it makes you dumber.. it'd have no effect on Iowa. Just sayin'...


How dare you say that about James Kirk's future birthplace.
 
2014-02-19 09:05:16 AM  
Is marijuana really hard to come by in Iowa or something? I was under the impression it was the easiest drug to find.
 
2014-02-19 09:05:44 AM  

Baloo Uriza: Princess Ryans Knickers: Since studies show it makes you dumber.. it'd have no effect on Iowa. Just sayin'...

How dare you say that about James Kirk's future birthplace.


Han Solo was the better captain!
 
2014-02-19 09:08:06 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Billed as synthetic marijuana and sold at gas stations.... sounds a hell of a lot like incense and I have never been hard up enough to smoke incense.


I imagine it's not much different than incense.  The fake stuff is basically just plant matter that has been sprayed and coated with the synthetic compound.

I tried it once a few years back when I knew I had a drug test coming up for a new job.  It was somewhat similar to the real thing, only without the body buzz or the munchies (personally one of my favorite aspects), and it lasted half as long at the very most.  It was also nearly twice as expensive as the real thing to boot.
 
2014-02-19 09:10:06 AM  
I don't think you can ever tell what the synth stuff is from day to day.   But I know (EMT, firsthand) that it causes psychosis and respiratory arrest.
 
2014-02-19 09:12:00 AM  
They need to stop calling that stuff synthetic marijuana ... There is some nasty crap out there that seriously screws people up.

/here have a glass of gasoline...it's synthetic beer!
 
2014-02-19 09:12:38 AM  

sendtodave: Less people would die from synthetic marijuana?


WRONG. Fewer people would die from synthetic marijuana.
 
2014-02-19 09:13:14 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: here have a glass of gasoline...it's synthetic beer!


Meh, a hydrocarbon's a hydrocarbon, right?
 
2014-02-19 09:13:15 AM  

roadkillontheweb: 100s upon 100s dead. In the first month alone.
Fox news


flesh eating.
 
2014-02-19 09:17:38 AM  
Iowa, the Florida  of the great plains.
 
2014-02-19 09:21:11 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: They need to stop calling that stuff synthetic marijuana ... There is some nasty crap out there that seriously screws people up.

/here have a glass of gasoline...it's synthetic beer!


Exactly.
 
2014-02-19 09:25:14 AM  

incendi: sendtodave: Less people would die from synthetic marijuana?

WRONG. Fewer people would die from synthetic marijuana.


You wouldn't say pants-fewer people, would you?

I rest my case.
 
2014-02-19 09:29:51 AM  
Not trying to white knight synthetic cannabinoids here but the reasoning here is spurious at best.

FTA
Dr. Edward Bottei, medical director of the Poison Control Center, said the victims were in their late teens through their late 20s. He declined to identify them, or say where they were from or exactly when they died.

Bottei said all three people had 5F-PB-22 in their systems when they died, though it was difficult to prove the drug was the sole cause of death.

"It's hard to assign one-to-one causality," he said in an interview.


The real stuff is 100x better than this fake crap but we really don't benefit from stupid asshole journalists generally being alarmist. For profit journalism ftl
 
2014-02-19 09:32:05 AM  

slave2grind: The synthetic stuff is very good, but it has some really shiatty side effects. Full blown addiction is one.


I wouldnt go as far as saying addiction is a side effect of smoking "spice" or synthetic weed or k2 or whatever you want to call it. Against my better judgement, I smoked it for a few months and didnt have any side effects from it whatsoever. No immediate side effects anyhow, who knows maybe a few years down the road Ill have a tumor in my lungs or something. Its still not a good idea to smoke it, the shiat they have out now is different that what was out a couple years ago. Neither of which is good for your health.

Neondistraction:   It was somewhat similar to the real thing


The high you get from the fake stuff is totally different that the real thing. I smoke marijuana every day. I dont smoke to get high, I smoke because it helps with a lot of other things that I dont need to point out. Weed doesnt give me enough of a high to put me under the "influence".

The high you get from the fake stuff I would say its more of a head high and not a body high like weed tends to make a person feel. Im sure people have different experiences with the two, but this is what Ive found to be most common with people I know that have done both. It doesnt really make you want to relax and mellow out like marijuana. If anything I would compare it to alcohol. But thats just me.
 
2014-02-19 09:33:59 AM  
31.media.tumblr.com

"3 Lowans died to bring us this information"
 
2014-02-19 09:34:59 AM  
Crotchrocket Slim:
The real stuff is 100x better than this fake crap but we really don't benefit from stupid asshole journalists generally being alarmist. For profit journalism ftl

I'm not exactly disagreeing, but something about the idea of random herbs sprayed with ??? made in China seems like it really could be seriously problematic.  I'm a bit concerned that some people might feel the need to augment the real stuff with the fake chemicals.  Maybe that chronic that's been going around is really just Mexican brick weed sprayed with synthetics.  Before the synthetics craze, weed was the one drug you couldn't really fake or cut in any way.  Now, well I'm not so certain of that.
 
2014-02-19 09:37:40 AM  
IT ISNT SYNTHETIC MARIJUANA ANY MORE THAN SYNTHETIC TOBACCO. JESUS CHRIST ON A BIKE PEOPLE ARE SO GODDAMNED STUPID IT MAKES MY HEAD HURT.
 
2014-02-19 09:42:52 AM  
TFA: ""These are laboratory chemicals that were never intended for human consumption," "

They sure as fark aren't *safe* for human consumption, but they're absolutely *intended* for human consumption.

TFA: "the best defense against synthetic drugs is prevention"

I'm pretty sure the best defense is just legalizing the perfectly harmless drug they *want*, so that there's no market for designer bathtub crank.
 
2014-02-19 09:44:09 AM  
Studies have shown that if you force a baby squirrel to smoke 700 cannabis joints a day. He will become disoriented with the laws of nature, tending to play with his nuts rather than store them.
 
2014-02-19 09:45:14 AM  

Level5: slave2grind: The synthetic stuff is very good, but it has some really shiatty side effects. Full blown addiction is one.

I wouldnt go as far as saying addiction is a side effect of smoking "spice" or synthetic weed or k2 or whatever you want to call it. Against my better judgement, I smoked it for a few months and didnt have any side effects from it whatsoever. No immediate side effects anyhow, who knows maybe a few years down the road Ill have a tumor in my lungs or something. Its still not a good idea to smoke it, the shiat they have out now is different that what was out a couple years ago. Neither of which is good for your health.


The problem with the side effects is its nearly impossible to know what is actually IN the spice and at what dosages.  Whatever you were smoking during that period might have been better made but since most of the chemicals are made in China and then sprayed on organic matter, there really isn't any way to know.  Dosage is tough to figure out as well, one bowl of marijuana = how many of spice?

Its all terrible chemicals that have yet to be extensively researched.  But its better than decriminalizing marijuana, right?
 
2014-02-19 09:45:28 AM  
Colorado legalized it, and within 2 weeks every single person in the state was dead. The entire state of Colorado is now a lifeless, barren wasteland, devoid of human life. Of course, you'll never see THAT reported on the lamestream LIEbral media. I'm not sure why Fox News isn't reporting it yet. My best guess is that they're about to blow the whole Benghazi scandal wide open, and they don't want people to be distracted from the TRUTH by a few dead hippies.
 
2014-02-19 09:48:10 AM  

ringersol: TFA: ""These are laboratory chemicals that were never intended for human consumption," "

They sure as fark aren't *safe* for human consumption, but they're absolutely *intended* for human consumption.


IIRC the labeling "not for human consumption" is a workaround to avoid the federal analogue act.  Of course in time the DEA schedules the new chemicals.  At this point, it seems that most police agencies aren't even sure whether or not any given blend of spice is actually legal.
 
2014-02-19 09:51:45 AM  
Wait till people find out you can get high from smoking used tires. Then what will the "authorities" do?
 
2014-02-19 09:58:59 AM  

nekom: Crotchrocket Slim:
The real stuff is 100x better than this fake crap but we really don't benefit from stupid asshole journalists generally being alarmist. For profit journalism ftl

I'm not exactly disagreeing, but something about the idea of random herbs sprayed with ??? made in China seems like it really could be seriously problematic.  I'm a bit concerned that some people might feel the need to augment the real stuff with the fake chemicals.  Maybe that chronic that's been going around is really just Mexican brick weed sprayed with synthetics.  Before the synthetics craze, weed was the one drug you couldn't really fake or cut in any way.  Now, well I'm not so certain of that.


Chronic that's been going around is that way because of selective breeding and genetic improvements, and is most likely grown very close to where it was bought. Mexican brick weed is just that.. compressed brick weed, grown by Mexican cartels in Mexico. Usually will have mold, bugs, rocks, bits of plastic, etc in it because they don't care about anything aside from the money.
 
2014-02-19 09:59:01 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Han Solo was the better captain!


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2014-02-19 10:04:24 AM  
Witty Comment:
Chronic that's been going around is that way because of selective breeding and genetic improvements, and is most likely grown very close to where it was bought. Mexican brick weed is just that.. compressed brick weed, grown by Mexican cartels in Mexico. Usually will have mold, bugs, rocks, bits of plastic, etc in it because they don't care about anything aside from the money.

Crushed seeds have always been the tell to me that it's brick.  But let's say someone picked the seeds out and sprayed it down with synthetic crap.  Who would know?  Just because marijuana is relatively harmless doesn't mean those selling it aren't potentially dicks.  I think it's becoming a valid concern.  Of course, one can always take matters into their own hands entirely and eliminate any guesswork.
 
2014-02-19 10:06:47 AM  
Ok, lesson learned: Stick with real weed. Nature knows best, folks! Sit and have a talk with your kids about smoking the  real bobo kush, not the synthetic shiat.
 
2014-02-19 10:10:53 AM  

slave2grind: The synthetic stuff is very good, but it has some really shiatty side effects. Full blown addiction is one. Real marijuana doesnt do that. Coughing up black mucus is another. Once again, real marijuana doesnt do that.

Legalize the real stuff, SC.


From people I've known that've smoked the synthetic stuff, the side effects are just a small step away from DT's. Why on earth they smoked it when they were living in southside Chicago is beyond me, given that good, natural weed was always a 5 minute walk away.
 
2014-02-19 10:14:05 AM  
I had a girlfriend in HS who would NEVER EVER smoke weed.  It was bad, illegal and turned you into zombies.
But she would light "opium scented" incense and inhale the smoke all the time.
Not that it was real opium or anything...

I don't understand people sometimes
 
2014-02-19 10:23:12 AM  

nekom: Crotchrocket Slim:
The real stuff is 100x better than this fake crap but we really don't benefit from stupid asshole journalists generally being alarmist. For profit journalism ftl

I'm not exactly disagreeing, but something about the idea of random herbs sprayed with ??? made in China seems like it really could be seriously problematic.  I'm a bit concerned that some people might feel the need to augment the real stuff with the fake chemicals.  Maybe that chronic that's been going around is really just Mexican brick weed sprayed with synthetics.  Before the synthetics craze, weed was the one drug you couldn't really fake or cut in any way.  Now, well I'm not so certain of that.


Another in the long list of reasons to legalize it.
 
2014-02-19 10:24:02 AM  

nekom: Witty Comment:
Chronic that's been going around is that way because of selective breeding and genetic improvements, and is most likely grown very close to where it was bought. Mexican brick weed is just that.. compressed brick weed, grown by Mexican cartels in Mexico. Usually will have mold, bugs, rocks, bits of plastic, etc in it because they don't care about anything aside from the money.

Crushed seeds have always been the tell to me that it's brick.  But let's say someone picked the seeds out and sprayed it down with synthetic crap.  Who would know?  Just because marijuana is relatively harmless doesn't mean those selling it aren't potentially dicks.  I think it's becoming a valid concern.  Of course, one can always take matters into their own hands entirely and eliminate any guesswork.


Well, my point is that any form of compression is a telltale sign of a commercially produced product as the weight takes up less space and makes it more efficient for shipping and storing. Seeds or no seeds, really. It's not hard at all to produce the plant without seeds, it requires a relatively minor amount of effort to make sure it doesn't happen. Any "chronic" isn't going to be compressed (unless the person vac-seals it too tightly by mistake) because the people that produce it typically care too much for their product to sully the appearance by doing so as it reduces the amount of visible and noticeable trichromes, the end user has a subconscious perception of quality that comes with the flower in whole form, and they also feel that they're getting a better deal because, as compression takes up less space:weight, they feel that they're getting more for their dollar.

I'm just saying, it's not chronic if it's compressed. I wasn't under the impression it was regarded as such by anyone, though things may regionally differ.
 
2014-02-19 10:28:27 AM  
lindalouwho:
Another in the long list of reasons to legalize it.

Oh I completely agree.  Having it legal with at least some basic quality and safety standards would be a lot better than the possibility of it containing synthetic chemicals from China and god only knows what else.  The real deal isn't going to kill you.  The synthetic stuff?  I don't know, not a whole lot of research and the number of compounds is staggering.
 
2014-02-19 10:32:07 AM  

nekom: Crotchrocket Slim:
The real stuff is 100x better than this fake crap but we really don't benefit from stupid asshole journalists generally being alarmist. For profit journalism ftl

I'm not exactly disagreeing, but something about the idea of random herbs sprayed with ??? made in China seems like it really could be seriously problematic.  I'm a bit concerned that some people might feel the need to augment the real stuff with the fake chemicals.  Maybe that chronic that's been going around is really just Mexican brick weed sprayed with synthetics.  Before the synthetics craze, weed was the one drug you couldn't really fake or cut in any way.  Now, well I'm not so certain of that.


No disagreement
 
2014-02-19 10:33:41 AM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: IT ISNT SYNTHETIC MARIJUANA ANY MORE THAN SYNTHETIC TOBACCO. JESUS CHRIST ON A BIKE PEOPLE ARE SO GODDAMNED STUPID IT MAKES MY HEAD HURT.


Tell that to the people marketing it as fake weed as good as the real stuff (and now maybe a little more illegal than the real stuff).
 
2014-02-19 10:45:49 AM  

Witty Comment: nekom: Witty Comment:
Chronic that's been going around is that way because of selective breeding and genetic improvements, and is most likely grown very close to where it was bought. Mexican brick weed is just that.. compressed brick weed, grown by Mexican cartels in Mexico. Usually will have mold, bugs, rocks, bits of plastic, etc in it because they don't care about anything aside from the money.

Crushed seeds have always been the tell to me that it's brick.  But let's say someone picked the seeds out and sprayed it down with synthetic crap.  Who would know?  Just because marijuana is relatively harmless doesn't mean those selling it aren't potentially dicks.  I think it's becoming a valid concern.  Of course, one can always take matters into their own hands entirely and eliminate any guesswork.

Well, my point is that any form of compression is a telltale sign of a commercially produced product as the weight takes up less space and makes it more efficient for shipping and storing. Seeds or no seeds, really. It's not hard at all to produce the plant without seeds, it requires a relatively minor amount of effort to make sure it doesn't happen. Any "chronic" isn't going to be compressed (unless the person vac-seals it too tightly by mistake) because the people that produce it typically care too much for their product to sully the appearance by doing so as it reduces the amount of visible and noticeable trichromes, the end user has a subconscious perception of quality that comes with the flower in whole form, and they also feel that they're getting a better deal because, as compression takes up less space:weight, they feel that they're getting more for their dollar.

I'm just saying, it's not chronic if it's compressed. I wasn't under the impression it was regarded as such by anyone, though things may regionally differ.


...but, yes, it IS a valid concern regardless of my semantics. Which, of course, would be (yet another) argument FOR the legalization and regulation of standards in growing and distribution, while keeping those options available to people in their homes and small businesses, much in the same way beer brewing or food-service operations have regulation and standards dictating their testing, cleanliness, etc. I only use them as an example because there aren't really any "small-scale" laboratories producing pill-form medication (save for the illegal ones, i.e. Ecstasy.. and that's not medication) that I know of. In a holistic health application though there should be no reason to disenfranchise a person wanting to do it for themselves, and others if those others choose so. Also, if people want to use it for recreational purposes there shouldn't be any removal of the "small guy" from the picture, like the beer and whatnot.
 
2014-02-19 10:49:09 AM  

nekom: Witty Comment:
Chronic that's been going around is that way because of selective breeding and genetic improvements, and is most likely grown very close to where it was bought. Mexican brick weed is just that.. compressed brick weed, grown by Mexican cartels in Mexico. Usually will have mold, bugs, rocks, bits of plastic, etc in it because they don't care about anything aside from the money.

Crushed seeds have always been the tell to me that it's brick.  But let's say someone picked the seeds out and sprayed it down with synthetic crap.  Who would know?  Just because marijuana is relatively harmless doesn't mean those selling it aren't potentially dicks.  I think it's becoming a valid concern.  Of course, one can always take matters into their own hands entirely and eliminate any guesswork.


There is no chance anyone would confuse brick weed sprayed with chemicals for decent marijuana. Even if you take the seeds out. The look, smell, taste of it are completely different.

Could people be spraying decent buds with chemicals? Sure, people could be spraying your veggies in the grocery store with weird chemicals, too. But there's very little (read 0) chance people are spraying ditch weed with synthetics and passing it off as high quality cannabis.
 
2014-02-19 10:54:39 AM  

nekom: Witty Comment:
Chronic that's been going around is that way because of selective breeding and genetic improvements, and is most likely grown very close to where it was bought. Mexican brick weed is just that.. compressed brick weed, grown by Mexican cartels in Mexico. Usually will have mold, bugs, rocks, bits of plastic, etc in it because they don't care about anything aside from the money.

Crushed seeds have always been the tell to me that it's brick.  But let's say someone picked the seeds out and sprayed it down with synthetic crap.  Who would know?  Just because marijuana is relatively harmless doesn't mean those selling it aren't potentially dicks.  I think it's becoming a valid concern.  Of course, one can always take matters into their own hands entirely and eliminate any guesswork.


Bear in mind the synthetics are too expensive to be using it to "trick" people into thinking ditchweed is kind. If nothing else I'm sure someone would try to use that as a selling point.
 
2014-02-19 11:40:45 AM  
Three people? Then there's not problem. Three people isn't a statistic, that's background noise. More people strangled themselves to death masturbating. More people died from deer. Slipping in the shower. Falling off of stools. "Hold my beer". Complete non-issue.
 
2014-02-19 11:49:47 AM  

MythDragon: [31.media.tumblr.com image 500x283]

"3 Lowans died to bring us this information"


Well, in that case I'm happy we didn't lose any more Boffins.
 
2014-02-19 12:33:37 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Baloo Uriza: Princess Ryans Knickers: Since studies show it makes you dumber.. it'd have no effect on Iowa. Just sayin'...

How dare you say that about James Kirk's future birthplace.

Han Solo was the better captain!


Come on, Hans didn't have a crew of 700 to 1500 following him.
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Synthetic marijuana is all about who is collecting the money. Legalize it, and the "who" will be right there to make cash from it.
But they wont stop making the synthetic, because it's already a product they are selling.
 
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