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(Citizens for Tax Justice)   Having reached the limits of trickle down, congress decides a huge stinking dump will be more effective at rolling downhill   (ctj.org) divider line 47
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2014-02-19 08:59:42 AM  
shiat always rolls downhill; that's why you need a lift station to process it.
 
2014-02-19 08:59:49 AM  
Seriously? Assholes, the lot of you.
 
2014-02-19 09:03:54 AM  
I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.
Very disheartening..
 
2014-02-19 09:04:40 AM  

Vintowin: I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.
Very disheartening..


Notice how they never say things like Family Values or Compassionate Conservative anymore? Yeah, they aren't bothering to hide the truth now.
 
2014-02-19 09:12:38 AM  
The corporations will use those tax breaks to hire more people. And the economy will get better and better. Maybe.
 
2014-02-19 09:13:49 AM  

Vintowin: I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.
Very disheartening..


No you don't, because there was never a time where Congress actually cared about hiding its corruption. Nothing has really changed in this regard, it's just the volume on everything has been turned up to 11.
 
2014-02-19 09:15:28 AM  
Government of the wealthy, by the wealthy, and for the wealthy...

Everyone else can go fark themselves. It's the American Way.
 
2014-02-19 09:17:09 AM  
poop

and also farts
 
2014-02-19 09:18:17 AM  
Ass cake for everyone.
 
2014-02-19 09:18:34 AM  

Pick: The corporations will use those tax breaks to hire more people in China. And the economy will get better and better, in China. Maybe.


FTFY. Substitute your preferred developing economy with lax labor laws.
 
2014-02-19 09:20:00 AM  

t3knomanser: Pick: The corporations will use those tax breaks to hire more people in China. And the economy will get better and better, in China. Maybe.

FTFY. Substitute your preferred developing economy with lax labor laws.


china is a problem rapidly working to solve itself

via lung cancer
 
2014-02-19 09:20:27 AM  

Vintowin: I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.


Because there are no negative consequences. What are you going to do, oust them from power? ...how?
 
2014-02-19 09:23:36 AM  
Both sides are bad? So let's...
 
2014-02-19 09:25:36 AM  
Pour encourager les autres?

Byng!
 
2014-02-19 09:26:56 AM  

Ishkur: Vintowin: I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.

Because there are no negative consequences. What are you going to do, oust them from power? ...how?


Seriously.  If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.


IN A DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE

 
2014-02-19 09:28:02 AM  

The Name: Ishkur: Vintowin: I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.

Because there are no negative consequences. What are you going to do, oust them from power? ...how?

Seriously.  If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.


IN A DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE


As long as a people continue to vote "because jeebus" we're farked.
 
2014-02-19 09:29:22 AM  

The Name: Seriously. If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.


You have two choices: A party that is pro-corporation, and a party that is VERY pro-corporation.

Choose wisely.
 
2014-02-19 09:30:46 AM  

The Name: Ishkur: Vintowin: I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.

Because there are no negative consequences. What are you going to do, oust them from power? ...how?

Seriously.  If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.


IN A DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE


The problem is, money buys air time; and air time gives name recognition to those who only have their interests at heart.  How do you find the guy with maybe $34 to his name but would make an awesome congresscritter?

Of course, the only other options I could think of is to either (a) pick the guys with neither (D) or (R) by their names (sometimes they make it on the ballot) or (b) write in a candidate.
 
2014-02-19 09:31:49 AM  

Ishkur: The Name: Seriously. If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.

You have two choices: A party that is pro-corporation, and a party that is VERY pro-corporation.

Choose wisely.


Oh Canada!
 
2014-02-19 09:32:09 AM  

Ishkur: The Name: Seriously. If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.

You have two choices: A party that is pro-corporation, and a party that is VERY pro-corporation.

Choose wisely.


I'll take a day-old ham sandwich over a shiat sandwich, and our choices wouldn't be so bad if people participated in primaries and local elections.
 
2014-02-19 09:33:40 AM  

xanadian: The problem is, money buys air time; and air time gives name recognition to those who only have their interests at heart.


And anyone who votes based on name recognition has the IQ of a cow.
 
2014-02-19 09:33:51 AM  

xanadian: Of course, the only other options I could think of is to either (a) pick the guys with neither (D) or (R) by their names (sometimes they make it on the ballot) or (b) write in a candidate.


pissing away a vote is worse for achieving your interests than picking the least bad of two bad choices
 
2014-02-19 09:35:27 AM  
Do I have to do everything around here?

img.fark.net

/oblig
 
2014-02-19 09:35:38 AM  

Ishkur: Vintowin: I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.

Because there are no negative consequences. What are you going to do, oust them from power? ...how?


They will feel my wrath on the internet, let's see how they like that.
 
2014-02-19 09:36:17 AM  

The Name: IN A DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE


The United States is not a functional democracy. The government you get isn't the government you 'deserve' because none of the people voting now, nor elected now, have had anything at all to do with the design or structure of the system that has led to the government being the way it is. The system is designed for communication by horse and a population of a few million now strained to the breaking point by a population of three hundred million, an economy of such monstrous scale that corruption is possible on a scale not conceived, and issues that should be flexible and adjusted over time are put in the hardest place to adjust over time (second amendment). The United States votes, it elects, it has parties and politics, but you do not get to stand on your chair and shout 'Why don't youpeople fix it,' because the system is not only fundamentally broken, but broken a hundred years back and broken in a way that has broken the system for fixing the break.

I have to accept that my nation, in general, is racist enough and ignorant enough of economics to elect a complete reptile like Abbott, and that our elections reasonably represent our people. That sucks ass for me, because it means that my nation is, by and large, more horrible and nasty than I liked to think it was. But it is a representation of the people. The United States government does not, in the most simple interpretation of the phrase, represent America.
 
2014-02-19 09:36:39 AM  

sprawl15: poop

and also farts


~a butt~
 
2014-02-19 09:37:32 AM  

sprawl15: xanadian: Of course, the only other options I could think of is to either (a) pick the guys with neither (D) or (R) by their names (sometimes they make it on the ballot) or (b) write in a candidate.

pissing away a vote is worse for achieving your interests than picking the least bad of two bad choices


You're right, but over time this is still a race to the bottom.
 
2014-02-19 09:38:06 AM  

Ishkur: The Name: Seriously. If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.

You have two choices: A party that is pro-corporation, and a party that is VERY pro-corporation.

Choose wisely.


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-19 09:38:27 AM  
Yay! As we enter another election cycle, Congress again needs to get their campaign contribution machine up and running.
 
2014-02-19 09:41:04 AM  
There are state legislatures doing the same thing. Here in NM for example, they're really excited about a bill that will allow the power companies to raise residential rates and pass the savings on to large businesses, because jorbs or something. How making everybody pay higher electric bills at home (and even most poor people have a power bill) so that Intel can cut their monthly power bill is going to help the state economy is beyond me, but there ya go.
 
2014-02-19 09:41:48 AM  

TalenLee: The Name: IN A DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE

The United States is not a functional democracy. The government you get isn't the government you 'deserve' because none of the people voting now, nor elected now, have had anything at all to do with the design or structure of the system that has led to the government being the way it is. The system is designed for communication by horse and a population of a few million now strained to the breaking point by a population of three hundred million, an economy of such monstrous scale that corruption is possible on a scale not conceived, and issues that should be flexible and adjusted over time are put in the hardest place to adjust over time (second amendment). The United States votes, it elects, it has parties and politics, but you do not get to stand on your chair and shout 'Why don't youpeople fix it,' because the system is not only fundamentally broken, but broken a hundred years back and broken in a way that has broken the system for fixing the break.

I have to accept that my nation, in general, is racist enough and ignorant enough of economics to elect a complete reptile like Abbott, and that our elections reasonably represent our people. That sucks ass for me, because it means that my nation is, by and large, more horrible and nasty than I liked to think it was. But it is a representation of the people. The United States government does not, in the most simple interpretation of the phrase, represent America.



Your point is well-taken, but none of that excuses voting Republican.
 
2014-02-19 09:43:12 AM  
But how are they suppose to finance their campaigns AND live the lifestyle fine statesmen deserve if they can't payback the campaign contributions 'donated' by their overlords?
 
2014-02-19 09:44:15 AM  
FTA:  Unlike EUC, these provisions cannot be thought of as temporary, emergency measures

OK well  there ya go.

And if you want these paid for we can always cut foodstamps more to pay for these.
 
2014-02-19 09:48:46 AM  

Pick: The corporations will use those tax breaks to hire more people. And the economy will get better and better. Maybe.


Because executive-class tax breaks directly fuel demand and disposable income in the middle class?
 
2014-02-19 09:50:34 AM  

Saiga410: And if you want these paid for


Wasn't a concern five times under Bush. Shouldn't be now.
 
2014-02-19 09:52:35 AM  

The Name: Seriously. If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.


It's primarily based on hate.  And Fox News knows this all too well....they stoke that flame with gusto.
 
2014-02-19 09:56:54 AM  

The Name: Ishkur: Vintowin: I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.

Because there are no negative consequences. What are you going to do, oust them from power? ...how?

Seriously.  If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.


IN A DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE


Our entire political system is set up to keep the two parties in power.  blaming the people for losing a fixed game is not helpful and willfully ignores the real problem.  We need to abolish both the democrat and republican parties and get rid of the legitimized bribery we call campaign donations.
 
2014-02-19 10:07:30 AM  
Most of those breaks seem well-intentioned. The "active financing" exception is pure bullshiat, though.
 
2014-02-19 10:50:57 AM  

sprawl15: t3knomanser: Pick: The corporations will use those tax breaks to hire more people in China. And the economy will get better and better, in China. Maybe.

FTFY. Substitute your preferred developing economy with lax labor laws.

china is a problem rapidly working to solve itself

via lung cancer


The problem with that though, is their pollution is drifting across the Pacific.
 
2014-02-19 10:53:43 AM  

LectertheChef: sprawl15: t3knomanser: Pick: The corporations will use those tax breaks to hire more people in China. And the economy will get better and better, in China. Maybe.

FTFY. Substitute your preferred developing economy with lax labor laws.

china is a problem rapidly working to solve itself

via lung cancer

The problem with that though, is their pollution is drifting across the Pacific.


you are thinking of japan

(i am talking about anime)
 
2014-02-19 11:45:02 AM  
The Name:
I'll take a day-old ham sandwich over a shiat sandwich, and our choices wouldn't be so bad if people participated in primaries and local elections.

Seems to me right now that 2 party politics is like being offered a choice between a shiat sandwich on Wonder Bread or a shiat sandwich on whole wheat.

Now, every so often, some young idealist will show up and promise everybody ice cream.  And people will say, "Ice cream!  Not shiat sandwiches!  You're hired!"

Whereupon this young idealist will enter the world of politics, and immediately be called nonpartisan for not compromising and considering that he must only offer ice cream shiat sundaes.  He will continue to attempt to bring untainted ice cream to the masses, just to find out that the shiat-sauce-manufacturing lobby in his district is strong, and that by seniority rules he can't just come in like he owns the place-he has to serve on committees that are full of shiat-sandwich hawkers, and address budgets that have funding for bread and shiat sauce, but no funding for ice cream.

Some people who are attempting to discredit Ice Cream Boy will start complaining about the lack of ice cream the day after he manages to pass a budget with money in it for ice cream.  Others will begin rumors that he's actually banning shiat sandwiches, and will come to confiscate your bread-but if you like your shiat sauce, you can keep it.
Some people may even make the outlandish claim that Ice Cream Boy has never made a shiat sandwich, so should not have anything to say about them (these would be the same people who, not long ago, insisted that their friend who once dropped a small turd into a toasted muffin then ran away without taking a bite knew more about shiat sandwiches than his competitor, who was known to have made a triple decker shiat sandwich on rye, ate it all, then dared to say he didn't like it)

That's a better metaphor.
 
2014-02-19 11:53:37 AM  

webron: We need to abolish both the democrat and republican parties and get rid of the legitimized bribery we call campaign donations.


Agreed....but the problem is, not one single congressional member will support it, since they're the ones reaping the largest windfalls from the system.

And that little part in the Declaration of Independence that says "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Yeah....no.  Voting someone else into office changes nothing, it only assures the new person a piece of that sweet pie known as the Congressional Cash Cow.

/my daughter's history text says that G. Washington *hated* the idea of political parties
//he said they only serve to divide the country
 
2014-02-19 02:22:10 PM  

webron: The Name: Ishkur: Vintowin: I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.

Because there are no negative consequences. What are you going to do, oust them from power? ...how?

Seriously.  If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.


IN A DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE

Our entire political system is set up to keep the two parties in power.  blaming the people for losing a fixed game is not helpful and willfully ignores the real problem.  We need to abolish both the democrat and republican parties and get rid of the legitimized bribery we call campaign donations.


Which are useless without a gullible voting public.
 
2014-02-19 05:10:10 PM  
Having reached the limits of trickle down, congress decides a huge stinking dump will be more effective at rolling downhill

mgshamster: Seriously? Assholes, the lot of you.


From TFA: Unfortunately, on February 6, a measure to extend EUC by three months and another to extend it by 11 months both failed to garner the 60 Senate votes needed for passage.

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No! No, goddamnit, NO! I am so unbelievably sick of seeing everyone blame congress, the whole body, because the GOP, one part of it, have decided to betray their oaths and disgrace the offices they hold. Congress is not taking a dump on the American people, congress are not all assholes, and the Senate does not require 60 votes to pass any legislation what so ever. The REPUBLICAN PARTY is taking a dump on the American people, the REPUBLICAN PARTY in congress are all assholes, and the Senate requires 60 votes to OVERRIDE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY'S BULLSHIAT.

When these things go unchallenged, we are letting the GOP control the Overton window. And I am sick of that. When an attorney in court tries to lead the witness, their opponent is supposed to jump up and shout "Objection, leading the witness!", not sit there and tacitly agree to let the argument be framed by someone else. This is exact the same thing and it's suicidal for the exact same reason: if the GOP's lies are allowed to define the range of the debate - to define the language - how can decency win?
 
2014-02-19 05:15:57 PM  

erik-k: No! No, goddamnit, NO! I am so unbelievably sick of seeing everyone blame congress, the whole body, because the GOP, one part of it, have decided to betray their oaths and disgrace the offices they hold.


it is a shame there is no way to change the senate rules regarding filibuster
 
2014-02-20 12:01:21 AM  

xanadian: The Name: Ishkur: Vintowin: I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.

Because there are no negative consequences. What are you going to do, oust them from power? ...how?

Seriously.  If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.


IN A DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE

The problem is, money buys air time; and air time gives name recognition to those who only have their interests at heart.  How do you find the guy with maybe $34 to his name but would make an awesome congresscritter?

Of course, the only other options I could think of is to either (a) pick the guys with neither (D) or (R) by their names (sometimes they make it on the ballot) or (b) write in a candidate.


Arthur C. Clarke once suggested that no one should be allowed to hold office unless they had to dragged into it kicking and screaming, and who would then do the best job they possibly could, in the hopes of being let off after one term for good behavior.
 
2014-02-20 01:32:36 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: xanadian: The Name: Ishkur: Vintowin: I remember a time when Congress used to hide their corruption..Now they don't care at all.

Because there are no negative consequences. What are you going to do, oust them from power? ...how?

Seriously.  If the American voting public weren't the goddamn stupidest voting public on earth, then we wouldn't have problems like this.


IN A DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE

The problem is, money buys air time; and air time gives name recognition to those who only have their interests at heart.  How do you find the guy with maybe $34 to his name but would make an awesome congresscritter?

Of course, the only other options I could think of is to either (a) pick the guys with neither (D) or (R) by their names (sometimes they make it on the ballot) or (b) write in a candidate.

Arthur C. Clarke once suggested that no one should be allowed to hold office unless they had to dragged into it kicking and screaming, and who would then do the best job they possibly could, in the hopes of being let off after one term for good behavior.


Damon's I always thought that was Heinlien.
 
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