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(Gawker)   When a fraternity hazing game mortally injures a pledge, the thing to do is: a) call 911, b) Google "head injuries", or c) wait an hour before taking him to the hospital. [answer: B&C]   (gawker.com ) divider line
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2014-02-19 08:55:20 AM  
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2014-02-19 09:29:33 AM  
I'm of the opinion that fraternities need a thorough vetting.

To be honest, the threat of hazing is enough to never join one in the first place. I didn't do it and I ended up in a better place than most of the fratbros I saw.

Screw 'em.
 
2014-02-19 09:30:07 AM  
Anyone injured while getting hazed, pretty much deserves what he gets. To all pledges, here's a word, a word that was among the first ones you ever learned, you should learn to use. It's the word no. It's acceptable to add fark in front of said word.
 
2014-02-19 09:33:53 AM  
It's a brotherhood, you see. They look out for each other.
 
2014-02-19 09:34:09 AM  
This really needs to be done away with.  I can understand a little bit of non-lethal "punishment", but way too many kids are being seriously injured and/or dying.  It has gotten way out of control.
 
2014-02-19 09:34:43 AM  
So manslaughter then?
 
2014-02-19 09:34:45 AM  
FTC: "They should have Googled a good defense lawyer."
 
2014-02-19 09:35:03 AM  

Sneakernets: I'm of the opinion that fraternities need a thorough vetting.

To be honest, the threat of hazing is enough to never join one in the first place. I didn't do it and I ended up in a better place than most of the fratbros I saw.

Screw 'em.


This.

They don't seem to attract the best people.  Individually, fraternity members are mostly great people.  As a group its a race to the bottom for intelligence.
 
2014-02-19 09:35:12 AM  

Sneakernets: To be honest, the threat of hazing is enough to never join one in the first place. I didn't do it and I ended up in a better place than most of the fratbros I saw.


But how else are you going to show the others your ultra-masculinity other than stripping down to your undies and get spanked by a bunch of other guys?

/most colleges have become the equivalent of high school, both in terms of education and cliques
 
2014-02-19 09:37:09 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's a brotherhood, you see. They look out for each other.


That's what we keep getting told. Fraternities are a force for good filled with scholars and gentlemen who seek only companionship, opportunity, and a chance to do good deeds.

They are NOT loser clubs that only accept members who are so desperate for friends and belonging that they are willing to be humiliated and debased just to gain entry.
 
2014-02-19 09:37:33 AM  
I joined a "no hazing" fraternity in college....for about two weeks. They claimed zero hazing and that they were different than other frats. Then one Saturday they had this "ritual" that started out being blindfolded and walking through a room. 5 seconds in I was pushed, hard, to the floor. So I took the blindfold off, said no f'ing way and left. They all stopped talking to me for the rest of my time in college.

I also played rugby, they had an "initiation" that was supposedly "fun" although if you didn't finish, you didn't get to be a starter. It started with drinking massive quantities of skunked, warm beer. I again said no f'ing way and left. I still started every game and many of those guys I'm still friends with today and we laugh about what idiots we were.

Not sure what it means, if anything but I always found it odd that people put up with that kind of crap

/CSB
 
2014-02-19 09:37:56 AM  

RoxtarRyan: But how else are you going to show the others your ultra-masculinity other than stripping down to your undies and get spanked by a bunch of other guys?

/most colleges have become the equivalent of high school, both in terms of education and cliques


Yeah. How come there seems to be so much gay stuff in fraternities. Is that really necessary?
 
2014-02-19 09:38:11 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's a brotherhood, you see. They look out for each other.


And the top shelf pussy is totally worth the odd casualty, brah!
 
2014-02-19 09:40:18 AM  

SpectroBoy: HotWingConspiracy: It's a brotherhood, you see. They look out for each other.

That's what we keep getting told. Fraternities are a force for good filled with scholars and gentlemen who seek only companionship, opportunity, and a chance to do good deeds.

They are NOT loser clubs that only accept members who are so desperate for friends and belonging that they are willing to be humiliated and debased just to gain entry.


To be fair, I think they have gravitated from the former to the latter over the last 3 or 4 generations.

/our society as a whole has gone downhill morally over the last several generations IMHO.  I'm sure some would disagree.
 
2014-02-19 09:41:31 AM  

ghall3: I joined a "no hazing" fraternity in college....for about two weeks. They claimed zero hazing and that they were different than other frats. Then one Saturday they had this "ritual" that started out being blindfolded and walking through a room. 5 seconds in I was pushed, hard, to the floor. So I took the blindfold off, said no f'ing way and left. They all stopped talking to me for the rest of my time in college.

I also played rugby, they had an "initiation" that was supposedly "fun" although if you didn't finish, you didn't get to be a starter. It started with drinking massive quantities of skunked, warm beer. I again said no f'ing way and left. I still started every game and many of those guys I'm still friends with today and we laugh about what idiots we were.

Not sure what it means, if anything but I always found it odd that people put up with that kind of crap


Putting up with that kind of crap reeks of desperation. Desperation to belong. Desperation to have "friends". It's very off-putting. Why would someone join a desperation club?
 
2014-02-19 09:42:35 AM  

RoxtarRyan: Sneakernets: To be honest, the threat of hazing is enough to never join one in the first place. I didn't do it and I ended up in a better place than most of the fratbros I saw.

But how else are you going to show the others your ultra-masculinity other than stripping down to your undies and get spanked by a bunch of other guys?

/most colleges have become the equivalent of high school, both in terms of education and cliques


As opposed to adult life, which is full of very edumacated people, and no cliques whatsoever :)
 
2014-02-19 09:45:07 AM  

PunGent: RoxtarRyan: Sneakernets: To be honest, the threat of hazing is enough to never join one in the first place. I didn't do it and I ended up in a better place than most of the fratbros I saw.

But how else are you going to show the others your ultra-masculinity other than stripping down to your undies and get spanked by a bunch of other guys?

/most colleges have become the equivalent of high school, both in terms of education and cliques

As opposed to adult life, which is full of very edumacated people, and no cliques whatsoever :)


My boss has yet to blindfold me and hit me while I'm crawling in a tube.

Unless that's a legitimate job. Then, my apologies.
 
2014-02-19 09:47:55 AM  
No, you don't google head injuries and wait an hour, you pull the lit candle out of the kid's ass, take off the blindfold and girly makeup, remove the gay slurs written in sharpie all over him, and roll him out of the back of a pickup onto the ground in front of the emergency room door.
 
2014-02-19 09:49:49 AM  

PunGent: As opposed to adult life, which is full of very edumacated people, and no cliques whatsoever :)


At every stage, awkward people say it will be different and better at the next stage. It never is and they always revert to where they feel most comfortable.

Sheep, pigs and dogs.
 
2014-02-19 09:49:58 AM  
As a fraternity member from a long time ago fry these assholes.

Seriously the worst thing we ever did was make pledges do push ups. That was it. And anyone with medical conditions or even expressed medical conditions was not allowed to take part.

No weird homoerotic stuff. No hitting or physical violence.

The guys coming in to the house are going to be living with you and being a pledge usually only lasts a semester maybe a full year but eventually they are your peers and pulling BS stunts or picking on someone or whatever is not only wrong but more than likely if you pull that shiat you are going to have to answer the bell once the guy is no longer a pledge.
 
2014-02-19 09:50:15 AM  

SpectroBoy: So manslaughter then?


Well, the charges are "homicide",but it's hard to say. I think when they whacked him on the head, if he' died right away it would have been manslaughter. But instead, he was cirically injured, they waited around, changed his clothes and then took him to the hospital to die. That might fit the bill for murder becuase of all the ratioal steps they put into not getting him help.
 
2014-02-19 09:54:46 AM  

img.fark.netRoxtarRyan: Sneakernets: To be honest, the threat of hazing is enough to never join one in the first place. I didn't do it and I ended up in a better place than most of the fratbros I saw.

But how else are you going to show the others your ultra-masculinity other than stripping down to your undies and get spanked by a bunch of other guys?

/most colleges have become the equivalent of high school, both in terms of education and cliques



The biggest cliche I have ever heard was "in college you'll make the friends that last you your whole life."
 
2014-02-19 09:56:06 AM  

GanjSmokr: SpectroBoy: HotWingConspiracy: It's a brotherhood, you see. They look out for each other.

That's what we keep getting told. Fraternities are a force for good filled with scholars and gentlemen who seek only companionship, opportunity, and a chance to do good deeds.

They are NOT loser clubs that only accept members who are so desperate for friends and belonging that they are willing to be humiliated and debased just to gain entry.

To be fair, I think they have gravitated from the former to the latter over the last 3 or 4 generations.

/our society as a whole has gone downhill morally over the last several generations IMHO.  I'm sure some would disagree.


i blame shiatty, knock-off, C/ D grade films about Frat life (Van Wilder, Sorority Boys, Going Greek, even American Pie to an extent) and Old School have drummed up this retarded Bro-ey existence. Surely, its only coincidental that the majority of these individuals are assheaps.
 
2014-02-19 09:56:13 AM  

SpectroBoy: Putting up with that kind of crap reeks of desperation. Desperation to belong. Desperation to have "friends". It's very off-putting. Why would someone join a desperation club?


Well it has the possibility to be more than that though. For similar reasons that people join sports as well, the activities and camaraderie developed there in can be fun. For example the frat I thought I was joining supposedly had 3-4 events each semester that were  things I might not otherwise have done on my own or knew people who wanted to do, things like taking a weekend to take a class to learn basic ballroom dancing (you brought a date), volunteering as a group for various charities etc.

That was all BS however, so I guess you are correct, but the idea at the time sounded interesting
 
2014-02-19 09:56:39 AM  

ghall3: I also played rugby, they had an "initiation" that was supposedly "fun" although if you didn't finish, you didn't get to be a starter. It started with drinking massive quantities of skunked, warm beer. I again said no f'ing way and left. I still started every game and many of those guys I'm still friends with today and we laugh about what idiots we were.


I hope you're not talking about the zulu warrior dance which is pretty much REQUIRED for all ruggers when you score your first try.
 
2014-02-19 09:56:53 AM  

kindms: As a fraternity member from a long time ago fry these assholes.

Seriously the worst thing we ever did was make pledges do push ups. That was it. And anyone with medical conditions or even expressed medical conditions was not allowed to take part.

No weird homoerotic stuff. No hitting or physical violence.

The guys coming in to the house are going to be living with you and being a pledge usually only lasts a semester maybe a full year but eventually they are your peers and pulling BS stunts or picking on someone or whatever is not only wrong but more than likely if you pull that shiat you are going to have to answer the bell once the guy is no longer a pledge.


This
I pledged a fraternity and the worst things they did was every now and then wake me up to make me run an errand or make me a DD. As a reward for that when I wasn't DDing, they got me good and drunk and when they asked me to get stuff from the Circle K, they got me high.
 
2014-02-19 09:58:23 AM  

SpectroBoy: ghall3: I joined a "no hazing" fraternity in college....for about two weeks. They claimed zero hazing and that they were different than other frats. Then one Saturday they had this "ritual" that started out being blindfolded and walking through a room. 5 seconds in I was pushed, hard, to the floor. So I took the blindfold off, said no f'ing way and left. They all stopped talking to me for the rest of my time in college.

I also played rugby, they had an "initiation" that was supposedly "fun" although if you didn't finish, you didn't get to be a starter. It started with drinking massive quantities of skunked, warm beer. I again said no f'ing way and left. I still started every game and many of those guys I'm still friends with today and we laugh about what idiots we were.

Not sure what it means, if anything but I always found it odd that people put up with that kind of crap

Putting up with that kind of crap reeks of desperation. Desperation to belong. Desperation to have "friends". It's very off-putting. Why would someone join a desperation club?


I love how people who either hate the greek system or have an axe to grind ALWAYS trot out these stupid projections of why people join clubs

Do you throw these same accusations at guys who join Country Clubs ?

Here is the thing. People join the greek system for lots of reasons. I joined a frat for the simple reason that the rules on campus regarding housing and drinking / having fun were much more restrictive compared to the rules i lived under in HS. The fraternity I joined had a house on campus, housing, parking, and served 3 meals a day. The food plan and the housing were less expensive than campus housing and they didn't give a shiat if you had beer in your room.
 
2014-02-19 09:59:34 AM  

kindms: As a fraternity member from a long time ago fry these assholes.

Seriously the worst thing we ever did was make pledges do push ups. That was it. And anyone with medical conditions or even expressed medical conditions was not allowed to take part.

No weird homoerotic stuff. No hitting or physical violence.

The guys coming in to the house are going to be living with you and being a pledge usually only lasts a semester maybe a full year but eventually they are your peers and pulling BS stunts or picking on someone or whatever is not only wrong but more than likely if you pull that shiat you are going to have to answer the bell once the guy is no longer a pledge.


Same here. Losts and lots of pushups, but no intentional injuries.

However - to be fair, this didn't sound too crazy until the injury. They totally dropped the ball at that point
 
2014-02-19 09:59:34 AM  
This
I pledged a fraternity and the worst things they did was every now and then wake me up to make me run an errand or make me a DD. As a reward for that when I wasn't DDing, they got me good and drunk and when they asked me to get stuff from the Circle K, they got me high.



So frats are all pussified now, huh? Too bad.
 
2014-02-19 10:00:29 AM  
It's a life long brotherhood, they live by a code. Something you people couldn't even begin to understand.
 
2014-02-19 10:00:48 AM  

Marmilman: ghall3: I also played rugby, they had an "initiation" that was supposedly "fun" although if you didn't finish, you didn't get to be a starter. It started with drinking massive quantities of skunked, warm beer. I again said no f'ing way and left. I still started every game and many of those guys I'm still friends with today and we laugh about what idiots we were.

I hope you're not talking about the zulu warrior dance which is pretty much REQUIRED for all ruggers when you score your first try.


Ha, no. This was more about drinking gross stuff while locked in a room and yelled at/blasted insanely loud crappy music at etc for like 12 hours. Just wasn't for me.

/We shot the boot after our first try, which was no big deal
//Arbitrary limits on "hazing" for me, I know
 
2014-02-19 10:03:14 AM  

doubled99: This
I pledged a fraternity and the worst things they did was every now and then wake me up to make me run an errand or make me a DD. As a reward for that when I wasn't DDing, they got me good and drunk and when they asked me to get stuff from the Circle K, they got me high.


So frats are all pussified now, huh? Too bad.


It's a good thing, too. I'm a huge pussy.
 
2014-02-19 10:07:01 AM  
Authorities say that the fraternity brothers attempted to mount a botched coverup after they realized Deng had been hurt - even changing his clothes before taking him for help.

young republicans, no doubt.
 
2014-02-19 10:07:11 AM  

ghall3: Marmilman: ghall3: I also played rugby, they had an "initiation" that was supposedly "fun" although if you didn't finish, you didn't get to be a starter. It started with drinking massive quantities of skunked, warm beer. I again said no f'ing way and left. I still started every game and many of those guys I'm still friends with today and we laugh about what idiots we were.

I hope you're not talking about the zulu warrior dance which is pretty much REQUIRED for all ruggers when you score your first try.

Ha, no. This was more about drinking gross stuff while locked in a room and yelled at/blasted insanely loud crappy music at etc for like 12 hours. Just wasn't for me.

/We shot the boot after our first try, which was no big deal
//Arbitrary limits on "hazing" for me, I know


Jesus. Yeah that does sound retarded.
 
2014-02-19 10:08:54 AM  

abhorrent1: It's a life long brotherhood, they live by a code. Something you people couldn't even begin to understand.


A code that, while repugnant, saves lives?
 
2014-02-19 10:16:14 AM  
"Baruch also announced that the fraternity's rights and privileges had been suspended indefinitely. "

Why is there no mention of manslaughter charges for everyone involved?  Instead there's just a double secret probation nonsense.

Everyone who hit the guy and caused the injury should be on trial for manslaughter and everyone there who failed to call 911 and changed his clothes should get charged as an accessory.
 
2014-02-19 10:16:24 AM  

Astorix: [img.fark.net image 616x1024]RoxtarRyan: Sneakernets: To be honest, the threat of hazing is enough to never join one in the first place. I didn't do it and I ended up in a better place than most of the fratbros I saw.

But how else are you going to show the others your ultra-masculinity other than stripping down to your undies and get spanked by a bunch of other guys?

/most colleges have become the equivalent of high school, both in terms of education and cliques


The biggest cliche I have ever heard was "in college you'll make the friends that last you your whole life."


In this kid's case, it was true.
 
2014-02-19 10:19:31 AM  
Well, at least they didn't glue dog hair to him, tell him to bark, and dump him off at an animal shelter.
 
2014-02-19 10:25:20 AM  
i895.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-19 10:26:02 AM  

FormlessOne: Well, at least they didn't glue dog hair to him, tell him to bark, and dump him off at an animal shelter.




BUTTERS!
 
2014-02-19 10:26:50 AM  

czei: Why is there no mention of manslaughter charges for everyone involved?  Instead there's just a double secret probation nonsense.


RTFA, it's in the first sentence. It has been ruled a homicide, so if no one's been charged yet, it's because they're still trying to decide who get's what charge.
 
2014-02-19 10:42:43 AM  
The important piece of information that I could have sworn I read earlier but can't find reference to now is the fact that he wasn't hit in the head by anyone.  He got knocked down or tackled and hit his head awkwardly.

Googling head injuries before taking him to the hospital, while dumb, doesn't sound like a cover up.  It sounds like a bunch of dumbass college students trying to figure out if they needed to take him to the hospital or not. While they weren't exactly boy scouts, they did take the time to figure out that he needed medical attention and then got medical attention for him.
 
2014-02-19 10:44:10 AM  

confirm.fark.com: ... and hit his head awkwardly on the ground.

 
2014-02-19 10:45:23 AM  

GanjSmokr: To be fair, I think they have gravitated from the former to the latter over the last 3 or 4 generations.

/our society as a whole has gone downhill morally over the last several generations IMHO. I'm sure some would disagree.


I would disagree, because among other things, our generation *DOESN'T* feel it's their right and duty to, say, make sure my wife and I can't get married (I'm white, she's mixed).

fark, her *parents* had to go to DC (her dad's white, her mom's black) because Virginia was still clinging to its miscegnation laws.
 
2014-02-19 10:47:48 AM  

EatsCrayons: czei: Why is there no mention of manslaughter charges for everyone involved?  Instead there's just a double secret probation nonsense.

RTFA, it's in the first sentence. It has been ruled a homicide, so if no one's been charged yet, it's because they're still trying to decide who get's what charge.


The exact sentence is "A deadly hazing event called the glass ceiling game that killed a Baruch College student has been ruled a homicide by a Pennsylvania coroner. ".

There is no mention of charges, as I said, anywhere in the article.  You've guessed that "they're still trying to decide", but that's pure speculation as far as we know from either the article or the other linked article.  The other angle to mention charges would be the national frat and the school's actions if charges are brought.
 
2014-02-19 10:49:00 AM  
fark these guys. I was in a fraternity in college in the mid 90s. The worst thing pledges were subjected to was having to clean the bathrooms. Which was bad enough. Definitely no physical abuse and no weird homoerotic stuff. We drank a lot, but nobody was ever forced to. We even had some sober members who to this day have never touched alcohol. I'd say our group was definitely in the minority though. Overall it was a good experience but If I did it over again I doubt I'd pledge. I will probably encourage my kids to avoid the greek system.
 
2014-02-19 10:50:56 AM  

FlashHarry: Authorities say that the fraternity brothers attempted to mount a botched coverup after they realized Deng had been hurt - even changing his clothes before taking him for help.

young republicans, no doubt.


Any of them named Kennedy, perchance?
 
2014-02-19 10:51:45 AM  
In my experience there's a difference between frat guys and fraternity men. Most of the ones that get public attention are frat guys because the fraternity men are too busy actually trying to run the chapter, which functions like a business; budgets, committees, reporting standards, etc. But no one wants to hear about that because ZOMG FRATS ARE EVIL AND DOUCHEY.
 
2014-02-19 10:53:34 AM  

kindms: I love how people who either hate the greek system or have an axe to grind ALWAYS trot out these stupid projections of why people join clubs

Do you throw these same accusations at guys who join Country Clubs ?


Country Clubs don't (as far as I know) humiliate all new members.
 
2014-02-19 10:56:14 AM  

ThighsofGlory: FlashHarry: Authorities say that the fraternity brothers attempted to mount a botched coverup after they realized Deng had been hurt - even changing his clothes before taking him for help.

young republicans, no doubt.

Any of them named Kennedy, perchance?


If there was a Kennedy involved we probably wouldn't have heard about it.
 
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