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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Student says he had a sexual relationship with teacher...possible felony charges may result...for the student   (startribune.com) divider line 43
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2014-02-19 12:26:23 AM  
10 votes:
I'd say accusing a teacher of statutory rape could warrant felony charges.
2014-02-19 04:11:12 AM  
9 votes:
However, if a female student had made the same accusations about a male teacher, the male teacher would just now be getting out of jail and no charges would be filed against the student.
2014-02-19 12:26:28 AM  
8 votes:
He deserves the smackdown coming his way.
2014-02-19 12:27:49 AM  
7 votes:
Considering that comment could have completely ruined the teacher's life, I say "good".

/can't help but be curious what the PE teacher looks like, though... for educational purposes. ;)
2014-02-19 06:21:20 AM  
4 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: However, if a female student had made the same accusations about a male teacher, the male teacher would just now be getting out of jail and no charges would be filed against the student.


Anyone who makes false accusations of rape, if proven false, should be sentenced to the same sentence their would-be rapist would have been. No ifs, and, or buts.  fark anyone who makes false accusations - it's why people doubt actual victims and make our lives hell when we attempt to get justice. Because the few idiots -- and it is only a few -- who lie are held up as examples of the norm rather than the deviation from the norm.  Male or female, they can rot.
2014-02-19 07:04:30 AM  
3 votes:
The double-standard here is staggering...

MALE MINOR admits to an improper relationship with a FEMALE teacher which turns out to be false = name, age, photo of "accuser" plastered all over the media, suspended from school for months. The FEMALE teacher is exonerated after a perfunctory investigation, defended by the school-board and authorities.

Flip the script and it's a farking Lifetime movie event...

FEMALE MINOR admits to an improper relationship with a MALE teacher which turns out to be false = name, age, photo of "accuser' redacted (since SHE is the real victim after all, and a MINOR!). The MALE teacher is excoriated after a perfunctory investigation, unemployed, jailed, STILL labeled a rapist when his innocence is proven.

I think the VAST majority of false rape allegations would evaporate overnight if the so-called "rape shield laws" were extended to protect the accused as well as the accuser. Once a conviction has been obtained, drag the perp through the shiat, But until then, keep names out of the media.
2014-02-19 06:47:25 AM  
3 votes:
Kid looks like your typical high school douchebag so it can't be too surprising that he did something douchey.
2014-02-19 10:04:40 AM  
2 votes:

dennysgod: 17-year-old captain of the school's football and basketball teams,

Well we all know how this will end. Probably won't even get a smack on the wrist and the teacher, depsite no evidence of any sort of sexual relations, will never find a job teaching again.


Good. He is the real victim here. So she is good at covering her tracks, that doesn't mean she is innocent. She should be put on the sex offender registry too. The rape apologists sure are out in full force this morning.

/Men don't lie
2014-02-19 07:13:33 AM  
2 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Every accusation of rape is potentially life ruining.


Hence why a knowingly false accusation should be a felony.

Granted, the threshold of proof must be very high (as in a not-guilty verdict for the alleged rapist is not sufficient) and we probably wouldn't see many guilty verdicts.  But the potential punishment needs to be severe enough to be an effective deterrent.
2014-02-19 07:11:09 AM  
2 votes:

Muuru: I think the VAST majority of false rape allegations would evaporate overnight if the so-called "rape shield laws" were extended to protect the accused as well as the accuser. Once a conviction has been obtained, drag the perp through the shiat, But until then, keep names out of the media.


There are few crimes that are more universally reviled than rape. If we're serious about the principle that the accused is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law we need to do exactly as you suggest. If even the accusation is sufficient to cause such damage to a persons reputation then we need to ensure that both accuser and accused remain anonymous until guilt can be proven in a court of law.
2014-02-19 06:53:44 AM  
2 votes:

serpent_sky: Anyone who makes false accusations of rape, if proven false, should be sentenced to the same sentence their would-be rapist would have been



In principle I'd love to agree, but in practice, it would just be used by wealthy rapists whose lawyers would threaten to get the victims jailed on this account.
2014-02-19 06:47:28 AM  
2 votes:
Guy makes false accusations about sex with a teacher = FELONY!
Girl  makes false accusations about sex with a teacher = FELONY....for the teacher!
2014-02-19 06:06:48 AM  
2 votes:

namatad: fusillade762: I'd say accusing a teacher of statutory rape could warrant felony charges.

death
we really should solve this problem ONCE and FOR all
death penalty

TADA
kill acouple of these farkers and no one would do this shiat again ...


Has the death penalty been proven as a deterrent?
2014-02-19 02:38:00 PM  
1 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: serpent_sky: FirstNationalBastard: However, if a female student had made the same accusations about a male teacher, the male teacher would just now be getting out of jail and no charges would be filed against the student.

Anyone who makes false accusations of rape, if proven false, should be sentenced to the same sentence their would-be rapist would have been. No ifs, and, or buts.  fark anyone who makes false accusations - it's why people doubt actual victims and make our lives hell when we attempt to get justice. Because the few idiots -- and it is only a few -- who lie are held up as examples of the norm rather than the deviation from the norm.  Male or female, they can rot.

I'm with you in sentiment, but the problem is that it completely removes the incentive for someone to come forward later to admit their accused rapist is actually innocent. And proving a "false accusation" may be tough; the victim could have been unsure but was convinced by cops that the accused is the one. If someone honestly realizes their mistake later they're likely to remain silent for fear of going to prison.

If you know 100% for sure that the accuser is lying at the time and can prove it, then I have no sympathy and they deserve to be taken out back and shot. But you get a lot of corollary problems that arise with trying to become too draconian on those things. I don't have a good answer for it; I've mentioned this in other false accusation threads and I'm not sure anyone else has one either.


'Not demonizing rape victims so we can treat rape like any other crime' would help a fark-ton of a lot.
2014-02-19 10:06:12 AM  
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Muuru: I think the VAST majority of false rape allegations would evaporate overnight if the so-called "rape shield laws" were extended to protect the accused as well as the accuser. Once a conviction has been obtained, drag the perp through the shiat, But until then, keep names out of the media.

There are few crimes that are more universally reviled than rape. If we're serious about the principle that the accused is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law we need to do exactly as you suggest. If even the accusation is sufficient to cause such damage to a persons reputation then we need to ensure that both accuser and accused remain anonymous until guilt can be proven in a court of law.


I disagree.

It should be that way for EVERY crime.
2014-02-19 09:57:13 AM  
1 votes:
17-year-old captain of the school's football and basketball teams,

Well we all know how this will end. Probably won't even get a smack on the wrist and the teacher, depsite no evidence of any sort of sexual relations, will never find a job teaching again.
2014-02-19 09:30:49 AM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Has the death penalty been proven as a deterrent?


I don't know anyone who was given the electric chair that has committed another crime afterwards
2014-02-19 09:16:49 AM  
1 votes:
If they charge this kid, it will just intimidate other victims into not coming forward. I guess the teacher is just SOL.
2014-02-19 09:16:18 AM  
1 votes:

cherryl taggart: Uh, ginger dude, if you think because you are now claiming your comments were just sarcasm, maybe some sophomore or freshman girl should do the same thing to you.


Are you honestly advocating that young women make false rape claims in order to educate young men regarding the seriousness of saying you farked someone when you didn't?
2014-02-19 09:04:40 AM  
1 votes:

FC Exile: Joan Rivers magical pussy


Ha! Good try but I am not googling "Joan Rivers magical pussy".
2014-02-19 08:49:04 AM  
1 votes:

jaybeezey: They're either too dumb or too busy doing their nails to notice.


You wouldn't believe the mind-numbing logic that that steers feminists around things like this.  I dated a woman who would probably not feel insulted by being called a "rabid feminist".  She would explain away double standards like this claiming they were necessary to encourage women to report rape, and to combat other completely unrelated instances of male-dominated culture.

Nice girl, farked like a champ, but she couldn't control the impulse to interpret my slightest gesture by the Gloria Steinem book of social cues.
2014-02-19 08:32:07 AM  
1 votes:

CheekyMonkey: Because women are the weaker, stupider sex.


For some strange reason, you don't see feminists screeching to change this perception in the law.
2014-02-19 08:18:53 AM  
1 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: sithon: it's this sort of thing that makes a lot of men laugh when you talk of a 15-17 year old male "victim " of stat rape by a female teacher in many cases only a few years older than the boy. sure it makes the parents angry but the boys know very well what they are doing.

Why do we treat the statutory rape of young men differently than we do that of young women. All things being equal, why is one viewed with a wink and a nod while the other is considered exploitation?


Because women are the weaker, stupider sex.

\duh
2014-02-19 08:13:59 AM  
1 votes:

legion_of_doo: As a parent to a son and a daughter, i know that if the boy is stupid and impregnates a girl, she is farked. If my daughter is stupid and gets impregnated by some farker, then we is farked. So hells yes there is a double standard in this household!


So you'd be cool with a 45 year old man sexing up your teenage daughter provided he's had a vasectomy?
2014-02-19 07:57:09 AM  
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: It's just like screaming "fire" in a crowded theater.


I would think that screaming "fire" has gotten passé. I think a better analogy would be screaming "gunman with a military-style assualt weapon with 200 round clip and a shoulder thing that goes up" in a theater.

/Or just "gun!" if you are in some kind of hurry
2014-02-19 07:42:19 AM  
1 votes:

ChrisDe: What are the elements of a cause of action for libel or slander?
1. A defamatory statement check
2. Published to a third party check
3. Which the speaker knew or should have known was false check
4. That causes injury to the subject check

Kid, you're in a hell of a bad place. That teacher, and your cellmates, could own your ass.


Libel is a civil offense. What is extraordinary here is the police going after the kid for a felony especially in light of the fact that he made no report to the police.
2014-02-19 07:35:19 AM  
1 votes:
What are the elements of a cause of action for libel or slander?
1. A defamatory statement
check
2. Published to a third party check
3. Which the speaker knew or should have known was false check
4. That causes injury to the subject check

Kid, you're in a hell of a bad place. That teacher, and your cellmates, could own your ass.
2014-02-19 07:26:49 AM  
1 votes:
So, tell me again why anyone would want to spend 4 to 6 years in college to become a teacher?  I know in a lot of districts after a certain amount of years the pay is pretty good, but not nearly as good as an engineer in the right field.
2014-02-19 07:22:47 AM  
1 votes:

JoieD'Zen: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x615] here is his pic, courtesy of the fail.
A ginger with waxed brows, you be the judge.


That is such a punchable face.
2014-02-19 07:21:24 AM  
1 votes:

pla: FTA: "The chief said: "That's a crime. It just wasn't a tweet that went from Jimmy to John. It got up on this anonymous website where people weren't supposed to use names."

Say, Lou, remind me again of what law "lying online" breaks?

/ Has an 18 inch penis.
// Won the gold in every event at Sochi!
/// May have bagged this teacher too - need pics to know for sure.


The kid basically claimed (falsely) statutory rape. That's a crime. It's also libelous (slanderous? - I can never keep them straight) behavior.
2014-02-19 07:20:45 AM  
1 votes:

sithon: it's this sort of thing that makes a lot of men laugh when you talk of a 15-17 year old male "victim " of stat rape by a female teacher in many cases only a few years older than the boy. sure it makes the parents angry but the boys know very well what they are doing.


Why do we treat the statutory rape of young men differently than we do that of young women. All things being equal, why is one viewed with a wink and a nod while the other is considered exploitation?
2014-02-19 07:18:23 AM  
1 votes:

pla: FTA: "The chief said: "That's a crime. It just wasn't a tweet that went from Jimmy to John. It got up on this anonymous website where people weren't supposed to use names."

Say, Lou, remind me again of what law "lying online" breaks?

/ Has an 18 inch penis.
// Won the gold in every event at Sochi!
/// May have bagged this teacher too - need pics to know for sure.


What the kid did IS sexual harassment. The teacher could also take him to court for libel.
2014-02-19 07:18:23 AM  
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: However, if a female student had made the same accusations about a male teacher, the male teacher would just now be getting out of jail and no charges would be filed against the student.


Sadly, this. Or it would be found that the teacher *technically* didn't do anything wrong but is now such a distraction at the school, etc...
2014-02-19 07:07:45 AM  
1 votes:
Sorry, dipshiat.  Welcome to the first real lesson of your lifelong education - being an a-hole has consequences.  Even if you're "joking".
2014-02-19 07:01:51 AM  
1 votes:

mekki: Did anyone read the article? The kid made a comment that he had a sexual encounter with the teacher. Thing is, he made it up. He lied about the whole thing. And he and his friends are trying to brush it over by saying, "Everyone knew he was kidding." But from the posts so far here, people are either not listening to that part or skipping it. And now a teacher who did nothing wrong, who DID NOT have any sexual encounter with a student is being labeled as a statutory rapist and being slammed across the web and in real life.

Fark that student.


Sooo on board with this.
2014-02-19 07:01:14 AM  
1 votes:

mamoru: Considering that comment could have completely ruined the teacher's life, I say "good".


Every accusation of rape is potentially life ruining.
2014-02-19 07:00:47 AM  
1 votes:

serpent_sky: FirstNationalBastard: However, if a female student had made the same accusations about a male teacher, the male teacher would just now be getting out of jail and no charges would be filed against the student.

Anyone who makes false accusations of rape, if proven false, should be sentenced to the same sentence their would-be rapist would have been. No ifs, and, or buts.  fark anyone who makes false accusations - it's why people doubt actual victims and make our lives hell when we attempt to get justice. Because the few idiots -- and it is only a few -- who lie are held up as examples of the norm rather than the deviation from the norm.  Male or female, they can rot.


I'm with you in sentiment, but the problem is that it completely removes the incentive for someone to come forward later to admit their accused rapist is actually innocent. And proving a "false accusation" may be tough; the victim could have been unsure but was convinced by cops that the accused is the one. If someone honestly realizes their mistake later they're likely to remain silent for fear of going to prison.

If you know 100% for sure that the accuser is lying at the time and can prove it, then I have no sympathy and they deserve to be taken out back and shot. But you get a lot of corollary problems that arise with trying to become too draconian on those things. I don't have a good answer for it; I've mentioned this in other false accusation threads and I'm not sure anyone else has one either.
2014-02-19 06:55:17 AM  
1 votes:
But...he's popular!  Good-looking, well-liked athlete!  We can't ruin his life!
2014-02-19 06:54:28 AM  
1 votes:
Sorry Mr. Jock. Your little world centered around you is in the end connected to The Real World.

In which, actions, even if unintended, have consequences.

You aren't that young. In this current climate of real abuse stories coming out every other day there is a problem.

People won't know you are kidding.

Do you know how bad you can fark someones life with such an accusation?
2014-02-19 06:48:01 AM  
1 votes:
Did anyone read the article? The kid made a comment that he had a sexual encounter with the teacher. Thing is, he made it up. He lied about the whole thing. And he and his friends are trying to brush it over by saying, "Everyone knew he was kidding." But from the posts so far here, people are either not listening to that part or skipping it. And now a teacher who did nothing wrong, who DID NOT have any sexual encounter with a student is being labeled as a statutory rapist and being slammed across the web and in real life.

Fark that student.
2014-02-19 06:45:31 AM  
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: It's just like screaming "fire" in a crowded theater.


In a way yes, in most ways no. This case shows why polce shouldn't comment on possible charges, they tend to inflate. Cops have in several cases stated that an underage person's sexting = child porn. But everyone owns their own body and their likeness.
2014-02-19 03:04:42 AM  
1 votes:
it's this sort of thing that makes a lot of men laugh when you talk of a 15-17 year old male "victim " of stat rape by a female teacher in many cases only a few years older than the boy. sure it makes the parents angry but the boys know very well what they are doing.
2014-02-19 01:13:40 AM  
1 votes:
It's just like screaming "fire" in a crowded theater.
 
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