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2014-02-19 12:26:23 AM
I'd say accusing a teacher of statutory rape could warrant felony charges.
 
2014-02-19 12:26:28 AM
He deserves the smackdown coming his way.
 
2014-02-19 12:27:49 AM
Considering that comment could have completely ruined the teacher's life, I say "good".

/can't help but be curious what the PE teacher looks like, though... for educational purposes. ;)
 
2014-02-19 01:13:40 AM
It's just like screaming "fire" in a crowded theater.
 
2014-02-19 01:35:40 AM
This has been in in the local news here for a couple of days, I guess local news has to cover something between snow storms.

Kid was a popular student, athlete, etc etc, tweeted a two-word response to someone else's Twitter comment. For which he was suspended. For a week ten weeks.

Community complains punishment is not proportional, it's a good kid, tweet was sarcastic, he wasn't the one spreading the rumors, etc etc.

Then, yesterday, the police chief sees an opportunity to get attention intervene, and decides that felony charges are probably in order here. Just like you'd expect a guy who raped and murdered a girl in 1990 to do.
 
2014-02-19 01:48:04 AM
It's always best to take pictures. You can then use the pictures as blackmail to keep the sugar coming without fear she'll risk her career to claim you're the one forcing her to do it.

Just a tip from your uncle John, kids.
 
2014-02-19 03:04:42 AM
it's this sort of thing that makes a lot of men laugh when you talk of a 15-17 year old male "victim " of stat rape by a female teacher in many cases only a few years older than the boy. sure it makes the parents angry but the boys know very well what they are doing.
 
2014-02-19 04:11:12 AM
However, if a female student had made the same accusations about a male teacher, the male teacher would just now be getting out of jail and no charges would be filed against the student.
 
2014-02-19 05:01:40 AM

fusillade762: I'd say accusing a teacher of statutory rape could warrant felony charges.


death
we really should solve this problem ONCE and FOR all
death penalty

TADA
kill acouple of these farkers and no one would do this shiat again ...
 
2014-02-19 06:06:48 AM

namatad: fusillade762: I'd say accusing a teacher of statutory rape could warrant felony charges.

death
we really should solve this problem ONCE and FOR all
death penalty

TADA
kill acouple of these farkers and no one would do this shiat again ...


Has the death penalty been proven as a deterrent?
 
2014-02-19 06:21:20 AM

FirstNationalBastard: However, if a female student had made the same accusations about a male teacher, the male teacher would just now be getting out of jail and no charges would be filed against the student.


Anyone who makes false accusations of rape, if proven false, should be sentenced to the same sentence their would-be rapist would have been. No ifs, and, or buts.  fark anyone who makes false accusations - it's why people doubt actual victims and make our lives hell when we attempt to get justice. Because the few idiots -- and it is only a few -- who lie are held up as examples of the norm rather than the deviation from the norm.  Male or female, they can rot.
 
2014-02-19 06:44:29 AM

mamoru: Considering that comment could have completely ruined the teacher's life, I say "good".

/can't help but be curious what the PE teacher looks like, though... for educational purposes. ;)


It still might come back.  There will always be some that will believe the rumor and bring it back up.
 
2014-02-19 06:45:31 AM

tallguywithglasseson: It's just like screaming "fire" in a crowded theater.


In a way yes, in most ways no. This case shows why polce shouldn't comment on possible charges, they tend to inflate. Cops have in several cases stated that an underage person's sexting = child porn. But everyone owns their own body and their likeness.
 
2014-02-19 06:46:40 AM
OH COME ON. These are young, impressionable youths with no way to really gauge the extent of their actions, the direct and indirect consequences of their words and deeds. Credible scientific groups have stated how adolescents are prone to impulsive decisions and can't maturely assess the appropriateness of certain actions. There's no way these kids could have understood the ramifications of their little game, and in fact they are the victims of a society that is trying to place too much responsibility on them.
 
2014-02-19 06:47:25 AM
Kid looks like your typical high school douchebag so it can't be too surprising that he did something douchey.
 
2014-02-19 06:47:28 AM
Guy makes false accusations about sex with a teacher = FELONY!
Girl  makes false accusations about sex with a teacher = FELONY....for the teacher!
 
2014-02-19 06:48:01 AM
Did anyone read the article? The kid made a comment that he had a sexual encounter with the teacher. Thing is, he made it up. He lied about the whole thing. And he and his friends are trying to brush it over by saying, "Everyone knew he was kidding." But from the posts so far here, people are either not listening to that part or skipping it. And now a teacher who did nothing wrong, who DID NOT have any sexual encounter with a student is being labeled as a statutory rapist and being slammed across the web and in real life.

Fark that student.
 
2014-02-19 06:49:33 AM

rzrwiresunrise: OH COME ON. These are young, impressionable youths with no way to really gauge the extent of their actions, the direct and indirect consequences of their words and deeds. Credible scientific groups have stated how adolescents are prone to impulsive decisions and can't maturely assess the appropriateness of certain actions. There's no way these kids could have understood the ramifications of their little game, and in fact they are the victims of a society that is trying to place too much responsibility on them.


So, both sides bad, vote Republican?
 
pla
2014-02-19 06:49:38 AM
FTA: "The chief said: "That's a crime. It just wasn't a tweet that went from Jimmy to John. It got up on this anonymous website where people weren't supposed to use names."

Say, Lou, remind me again of what law "lying online" breaks?

/ Has an 18 inch penis.
// Won the gold in every event at Sochi!
/// May have bagged this teacher too - need pics to know for sure.
 
2014-02-19 06:52:16 AM
I submitted this with a much better headline.
The Daily Fail had an article with pics of the little bastard. His name is Reid Sagehorn and the teacher has this investigation on her permanent record.
This will be an amusing case to follow.
 
2014-02-19 06:53:44 AM

serpent_sky: Anyone who makes false accusations of rape, if proven false, should be sentenced to the same sentence their would-be rapist would have been



In principle I'd love to agree, but in practice, it would just be used by wealthy rapists whose lawyers would threaten to get the victims jailed on this account.
 
2014-02-19 06:54:28 AM
Sorry Mr. Jock. Your little world centered around you is in the end connected to The Real World.

In which, actions, even if unintended, have consequences.

You aren't that young. In this current climate of real abuse stories coming out every other day there is a problem.

People won't know you are kidding.

Do you know how bad you can fark someones life with such an accusation?
 
2014-02-19 06:55:17 AM
But...he's popular!  Good-looking, well-liked athlete!  We can't ruin his life!
 
2014-02-19 06:56:24 AM
Goodgrumpy.jpg

This is why I won't even sub in in middle or high schools.

She has to explain this every time she applies for a job now. And god forbid the poor woman tries to get a license in another state. You have to inform and explain any time something like this happens.
 
2014-02-19 06:57:22 AM

rzrwiresunrise: OH COME ON. These are young, impressionable youths with no way to really gauge the extent of their actions, the direct and indirect consequences of their words and deeds. Credible scientific groups have stated how adolescents are prone to impulsive decisions and can't maturely assess the appropriateness of certain actions. There's no way these kids could have understood the ramifications of their little game, and in fact they are the victims of a society that is trying to place too much responsibility on them.


So we shouldn't let them drive, consume alcoholic beverages, have sex, vote, join the military, decide on a college major, or even have to buy their own health insurance until about 26 years of age?
 
2014-02-19 06:58:21 AM
FTFA:  But many students, including junior Baylee Waldhoff, who wore a "Free Reid" shirt to school Tuesday, say Sagehorn's punishment was too severe.
"Everybody knew he was kidding," Waldhoff, 16, said of Sagehorn's tweet. "What the school has done has gotten way out of hand."


I have, like, a vivid picturrrre? Of, like, what this chick looks liiiike? And how she souuuunds? When she taaaalks?
 
2014-02-19 07:00:17 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk here is his pic, courtesy of the fail.
A ginger with waxed brows, you be the judge.
 
2014-02-19 07:00:47 AM

serpent_sky: FirstNationalBastard: However, if a female student had made the same accusations about a male teacher, the male teacher would just now be getting out of jail and no charges would be filed against the student.

Anyone who makes false accusations of rape, if proven false, should be sentenced to the same sentence their would-be rapist would have been. No ifs, and, or buts.  fark anyone who makes false accusations - it's why people doubt actual victims and make our lives hell when we attempt to get justice. Because the few idiots -- and it is only a few -- who lie are held up as examples of the norm rather than the deviation from the norm.  Male or female, they can rot.


I'm with you in sentiment, but the problem is that it completely removes the incentive for someone to come forward later to admit their accused rapist is actually innocent. And proving a "false accusation" may be tough; the victim could have been unsure but was convinced by cops that the accused is the one. If someone honestly realizes their mistake later they're likely to remain silent for fear of going to prison.

If you know 100% for sure that the accuser is lying at the time and can prove it, then I have no sympathy and they deserve to be taken out back and shot. But you get a lot of corollary problems that arise with trying to become too draconian on those things. I don't have a good answer for it; I've mentioned this in other false accusation threads and I'm not sure anyone else has one either.
 
2014-02-19 07:00:51 AM

abhorrent1: Guy makes false accusations about sex with a teacher = FELONY!
Girl  makes false accusations about sex with a teacher = FELONY....for the teacher!


Your only just figuring this out? Guys make it a point to never be alone with a young female that is not your own offspring. You know it will be a case of she just got her first period and now someone must pay.
 
2014-02-19 07:01:14 AM

mamoru: Considering that comment could have completely ruined the teacher's life, I say "good".


Every accusation of rape is potentially life ruining.
 
2014-02-19 07:01:51 AM

mekki: Did anyone read the article? The kid made a comment that he had a sexual encounter with the teacher. Thing is, he made it up. He lied about the whole thing. And he and his friends are trying to brush it over by saying, "Everyone knew he was kidding." But from the posts so far here, people are either not listening to that part or skipping it. And now a teacher who did nothing wrong, who DID NOT have any sexual encounter with a student is being labeled as a statutory rapist and being slammed across the web and in real life.

Fark that student.


Sooo on board with this.
 
2014-02-19 07:03:14 AM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: serpent_sky: FirstNationalBastard: However, if a female student had made the same accusations about a male teacher, the male teacher would just now be getting out of jail and no charges would be filed against the student.

Anyone who makes false accusations of rape, if proven false, should be sentenced to the same sentence their would-be rapist would have been. No ifs, and, or buts.  fark anyone who makes false accusations - it's why people doubt actual victims and make our lives hell when we attempt to get justice. Because the few idiots -- and it is only a few -- who lie are held up as examples of the norm rather than the deviation from the norm.  Male or female, they can rot.

I'm with you in sentiment, but the problem is that it completely removes the incentive for someone to come forward later to admit their accused rapist is actually innocent. And proving a "false accusation" may be tough; the victim could have been unsure but was convinced by cops that the accused is the one. If someone honestly realizes their mistake later they're likely to remain silent for fear of going to prison.

If you know 100% for sure that the accuser is lying at the time and can prove it, then I have no sympathy and they deserve to be taken out back and shot. But you get a lot of corollary problems that arise with trying to become too draconian on those things. I don't have a good answer for it; I've mentioned this in other false accusation threads and I'm not sure anyone else has one either.


How 'bout they don't make sh*t up for attention in the first place?
 
2014-02-19 07:03:58 AM
Couldn't have been 'very public' if the page was taken down that quick. Probably just a page that only people in the know knew about.
 
2014-02-19 07:04:30 AM
The double-standard here is staggering...

MALE MINOR admits to an improper relationship with a FEMALE teacher which turns out to be false = name, age, photo of "accuser" plastered all over the media, suspended from school for months. The FEMALE teacher is exonerated after a perfunctory investigation, defended by the school-board and authorities.

Flip the script and it's a farking Lifetime movie event...

FEMALE MINOR admits to an improper relationship with a MALE teacher which turns out to be false = name, age, photo of "accuser' redacted (since SHE is the real victim after all, and a MINOR!). The MALE teacher is excoriated after a perfunctory investigation, unemployed, jailed, STILL labeled a rapist when his innocence is proven.

I think the VAST majority of false rape allegations would evaporate overnight if the so-called "rape shield laws" were extended to protect the accused as well as the accuser. Once a conviction has been obtained, drag the perp through the shiat, But until then, keep names out of the media.
 
2014-02-19 07:05:59 AM

mekki: Did anyone read the article? The kid made a comment that he had a sexual encounter with the teacher. Thing is, he made it up. He lied about the whole thing. And he and his friends are trying to brush it over by saying, "Everyone knew he was kidding." But from the posts so far here, people are either not listening to that part or skipping it. And now a teacher who did nothing wrong, who DID NOT have any sexual encounter with a student is being labeled as a statutory rapist and being slammed across the web and in real life.

Fark that student.


Um, exactly which comments here lead you to believe people didn't understand everything you just said? Because, most of the ones I read all seem to fully grasp that, and are also saying fark the asshole student...

Personally, I'm not sure a criminal charge for a 2 word tweet will ever stick against him, though...
 
2014-02-19 07:06:07 AM

namatad: death
we really should solve this problem ONCE and FOR all
death penalty

TADA
kill acouple of these farkers and no one would do this shiat again ...


I'm pretty certain that Crystal Gail Mangum would disagree with you.
 
2014-02-19 07:07:45 AM
Sorry, dipshiat.  Welcome to the first real lesson of your lifelong education - being an a-hole has consequences.  Even if you're "joking".
 
2014-02-19 07:07:50 AM
Lock him up for a long time. He'll learn what sex is all about.
 
2014-02-19 07:10:18 AM
Soon everything will be a felony. Maybe Alex Jones is on to something.

/can't believe I just wrote that.
 
2014-02-19 07:10:20 AM

namatad: fusillade762: I'd say accusing a teacher of statutory rape could warrant felony charges.

death
we really should solve this problem ONCE and FOR all
death penalty

TADA
kill acouple of these farkers and no one would do this shiat again ...


aside from the fact that the death penalty has never been shown to be a deterrent
and
aside from the fact that the penalty would be hugely disproportionate to the crime - probably making even China, Afghanistan and Saudi to complain about US human right violations
and
aside from the fact that NOTHING will ever stop raging hormonal boys from making crass comments

It's just a dumb idea
 
2014-02-19 07:11:09 AM

Muuru: I think the VAST majority of false rape allegations would evaporate overnight if the so-called "rape shield laws" were extended to protect the accused as well as the accuser. Once a conviction has been obtained, drag the perp through the shiat, But until then, keep names out of the media.


There are few crimes that are more universally reviled than rape. If we're serious about the principle that the accused is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law we need to do exactly as you suggest. If even the accusation is sufficient to cause such damage to a persons reputation then we need to ensure that both accuser and accused remain anonymous until guilt can be proven in a court of law.
 
2014-02-19 07:12:26 AM

mekki: Did anyone read the article? The kid made a comment that he had a sexual encounter with the teacher. Thing is, he made it up. He lied about the whole thing. And he and his friends are trying to brush it over by saying, "Everyone knew he was kidding." But from the posts so far here, people are either not listening to that part or skipping it. And now a teacher who did nothing wrong, who DID NOT have any sexual encounter with a student is being labeled as a statutory rapist and being slammed across the web and in real life.

Fark that student.


2/10.
Very desperate, but you got a couple bites.  Now read the comments.
 
2014-02-19 07:13:33 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Every accusation of rape is potentially life ruining.


Hence why a knowingly false accusation should be a felony.

Granted, the threshold of proof must be very high (as in a not-guilty verdict for the alleged rapist is not sufficient) and we probably wouldn't see many guilty verdicts.  But the potential punishment needs to be severe enough to be an effective deterrent.
 
2014-02-19 07:14:39 AM
Katolu

So, both sides bad, vote Republican?
I always have to laugh at this liberal ace-card. The argument you're making is "We suck, but keep voting for us because they suck too".

// not that there's a sane argument for supporting socialism.
 
2014-02-19 07:17:57 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Muuru: I think the VAST majority of false rape allegations would evaporate overnight if the so-called "rape shield laws" were extended to protect the accused as well as the accuser. Once a conviction has been obtained, drag the perp through the shiat, But until then, keep names out of the media.

There are few crimes that are more universally reviled than rape. If we're serious about the principle that the accused is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law we need to do exactly as you suggest. If even the accusation is sufficient to cause such damage to a persons reputation then we need to ensure that both accuser and accused remain anonymous until guilt can be proven in a court of law.


I'm a fan of that as well.
 
2014-02-19 07:18:23 AM

FirstNationalBastard: However, if a female student had made the same accusations about a male teacher, the male teacher would just now be getting out of jail and no charges would be filed against the student.


Sadly, this. Or it would be found that the teacher *technically* didn't do anything wrong but is now such a distraction at the school, etc...
 
2014-02-19 07:18:23 AM

pla: FTA: "The chief said: "That's a crime. It just wasn't a tweet that went from Jimmy to John. It got up on this anonymous website where people weren't supposed to use names."

Say, Lou, remind me again of what law "lying online" breaks?

/ Has an 18 inch penis.
// Won the gold in every event at Sochi!
/// May have bagged this teacher too - need pics to know for sure.


What the kid did IS sexual harassment. The teacher could also take him to court for libel.
 
2014-02-19 07:20:45 AM

sithon: it's this sort of thing that makes a lot of men laugh when you talk of a 15-17 year old male "victim " of stat rape by a female teacher in many cases only a few years older than the boy. sure it makes the parents angry but the boys know very well what they are doing.


Why do we treat the statutory rape of young men differently than we do that of young women. All things being equal, why is one viewed with a wink and a nod while the other is considered exploitation?
 
2014-02-19 07:21:24 AM

pla: FTA: "The chief said: "That's a crime. It just wasn't a tweet that went from Jimmy to John. It got up on this anonymous website where people weren't supposed to use names."

Say, Lou, remind me again of what law "lying online" breaks?

/ Has an 18 inch penis.
// Won the gold in every event at Sochi!
/// May have bagged this teacher too - need pics to know for sure.


The kid basically claimed (falsely) statutory rape. That's a crime. It's also libelous (slanderous? - I can never keep them straight) behavior.
 
2014-02-19 07:22:39 AM

RobSeace: mekki: Did anyone read the article? The kid made a comment that he had a sexual encounter with the teacher. Thing is, he made it up. He lied about the whole thing. And he and his friends are trying to brush it over by saying, "Everyone knew he was kidding." But from the posts so far here, people are either not listening to that part or skipping it. And now a teacher who did nothing wrong, who DID NOT have any sexual encounter with a student is being labeled as a statutory rapist and being slammed across the web and in real life.

Fark that student.

Um, exactly which comments here lead you to believe people didn't understand everything you just said? Because, most of the ones I read all seem to fully grasp that, and are also saying fark the asshole student...

Personally, I'm not sure a criminal charge for a 2 word tweet will ever stick against him, though...


What was the question he was responding to?
If some one asked me if I murdered someone and answered "sure did" criminal charges shouldn't stick? A tweet is the same as a verbal conversation.
 
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