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(Courier-Journal)   NBA scout calls Russ Smith a clone of Allen Iverson, says he just needs more practice   (courier-journal.com) divider line 27
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2014-02-19 01:41:31 AM
This just in: anonymous NBA scouts are often full of hyperbole when talking to the newspaper guys in whatever city they're in.  Russ Smith can only dream of ever being as good as Iverson.  Good player, but no.
 
2014-02-19 05:02:31 AM
Not a game?
 
2014-02-19 05:29:10 AM
So a scout calls him a clone of Iverson and Smith says he loves Rajon Rondo.  I know nothing about the kid but that's damning with faint praise followed by plain stupidity in a role model choice.

If I were an NBA fan I'd pray to Tebow that my team didn't draft him.
 
2014-02-19 07:09:19 AM

suicide: Not a game?


Practice?
 
2014-02-19 07:13:30 AM

ChrisDe: suicide: Not a game?

Practice?


This is funny to me too.
 
2014-02-19 08:11:37 AM
Yeah, but the scout meant present-day Allen Iverson.
 
2014-02-19 08:11:48 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: So a scout calls him a clone of Iverson and Smith says he loves Rajon Rondo.  I know nothing about the kid but that's damning with faint praise followed by plain stupidity in a role model choice.

If I were an NBA fan I'd pray to Tebow that my team didn't draft him.


He's projected as a second round pick right now. Could be a low risk potentially high reward pick in that range. If you need a backup PG, probably not a bad option.
 
2014-02-19 08:22:33 AM
 
2014-02-19 08:46:35 AM
Next week's headline: Allen Ivetson sues NBA scout for libel.
 
2014-02-19 09:08:04 AM

MayoSlather: AdmirableSnackbar: So a scout calls him a clone of Iverson and Smith says he loves Rajon Rondo.  I know nothing about the kid but that's damning with faint praise followed by plain stupidity in a role model choice.

If I were an NBA fan I'd pray to Tebow that my team didn't draft him.

He's projected as a second round pick right now. Could be a low risk potentially high reward pick in that range. If you need a backup PG, probably not a bad option.



Gotcha...so in a way, he seems like he could be a clone of Iverson...he'll spend his time in the league, accomplish nothing of value, and be flat broke by 35.


LewDux: Link



As much as I love unintentional comedy, as a sports fan (and someone who continues to play organized club sports when I should probably hang it up) that whole diatribe makes me angry beyond words.  It's just so wrong on so many levels that even though I can appreciate what the DJ did all I can focus on is how much I want to cockpunch that assclown.
 
2014-02-19 09:16:49 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: MayoSlather: AdmirableSnackbar: So a scout calls him a clone of Iverson and Smith says he loves Rajon Rondo.  I know nothing about the kid but that's damning with faint praise followed by plain stupidity in a role model choice.

If I were an NBA fan I'd pray to Tebow that my team didn't draft him.

He's projected as a second round pick right now. Could be a low risk potentially high reward pick in that range. If you need a backup PG, probably not a bad option.


Gotcha...so in a way, he seems like he could be a clone of Iverson...he'll spend his time in the league, accomplish nothing of value, and be flat broke by 35.


He did get a godawful Philly team to the finals.  But yeah, he's one of those guys who will always be known more for what he could have been than what he actually was.  You knew he'd be out of the league a few years after thirty.  His entire game was based on speed.  He lacked the intelligence or work ethic to try to develop a jump shot or improve his passing game so he could move over to point guard.  Once his speed left, he was a ball-hogging 5'11" shooting guard who shot 42% from the field and 31% from behind the line, with a less than 2:1 assist to turnover ratio.

He was the little guy at every playground who takes the ball, runs full speed into the lane, and calls foul.  He never grew out of that.
 
2014-02-19 09:28:24 AM
Allen Iverson = Derrick Rose

Only more durable.
 
2014-02-19 09:30:34 AM

FLMountainMan: He did get a godawful Philly team to the finals


They weren't godawful.  They were constructed the only way possible for a team with Iverson on it could succeed and it was brilliantly done by Larry Brown and Billy King.  They put a bunch of guys who played defense and didn't need the ball around him to play 4-as-1 (plus AI) basketball.  Iverson gets the credit but make no mistake that TEAM got AI to the finals, not the other way around.
 
2014-02-19 09:54:26 AM

LewDux: Link


It never gets old
 
2014-02-19 10:06:16 AM
The NBA has finally recovered from the post-Jordan Irerson/Shaq era and is in a really good place.  Iverson was an awesome talent but we do not need more players like him.
 
2014-02-19 10:30:37 AM

ADubs86: ChrisDe: suicide: Not a game?

Practice?

This is funny to me too.


Poor AI. The whole interview makes sense when you learn that a) his friend had just died the day before, and b) he had no idea what the press knew or what the conference was about.

As in, "Yeah, my friend just died.  I can miss practice because my friend died, right? I'm the MVP. I can miss a damn practice. Hell, I should be able to take a game off if I want to, but I'm not.."
 
2014-02-19 10:49:15 AM

Free Radical: Allen Iverson = Derrick Rose

Only more durable.


Derrick Rose has a significantly higher shooting percentage and fewer turnovers.  And is a little bigger.  At least when he last played, five years ago.
 
2014-02-19 11:09:48 AM

suicide: Not a game?


Not a game.
 
2014-02-19 11:32:58 AM

aintnuttintofarkwith: ADubs86: ChrisDe: suicide: Not a game?

Practice?

This is funny to me too.

Poor AI. The whole interview makes sense when you learn that a) his friend had just died the day before, and b) he had no idea what the press knew or what the conference was about.

As in, "Yeah, my friend just died.  I can miss practice because my friend died, right? I'm the MVP. I can miss a damn practice. Hell, I should be able to take a game off if I want to, but I'm not.."


Bingo. What is lost in all of that is the guy asking the question was being kind of a dick to him.
 
2014-02-19 12:01:40 PM

Gunny Highway: Bingo. What is lost in all of that is the guy asking the question was being kind of a dick to him.


And he does have a point that missing a practice late in the season is not going to make his teammates better. It's a bit late in the game to be learning this sh*t. But since the goal was to make him look as bad as possible, mission accomplished - and he certainly helped.
 
2014-02-19 12:03:40 PM
I switched thoughts mid-sentence back there - making a practice late in the season isn't going to make his teammates better. Missing one isn't going to hurt the team. As I was pointing out even back then, there was another MVP in the NFL named Steve McNair who famously was so battered that he was missing most of the practices for the team and getting wins out there on Sunday. And practice is a hell of a lot more important in football than it is in basketball, and he was the damn QB.
 
2014-02-19 12:14:09 PM
They weren't godawful.  They were constructed the only way possible for a team with Iverson on it could succeed and it was brilliantly done by Larry Brown and Billy King.  They put a bunch of guys who played defense and didn't need the ball around him to play 4-as-1 (plus AI) basketball.  Iverson gets the credit but make no mistake that TEAM got AI to the finals, not the other way around.


I love good satire!
 
2014-02-19 12:14:35 PM

IAmRight: Gunny Highway: Bingo. What is lost in all of that is the guy asking the question was being kind of a dick to him.

And he does have a point that missing a practice late in the season is not going to make his teammates better. It's a bit late in the game to be learning this sh*t. But since the goal was to make him look as bad as possible, mission accomplished - and he certainly helped.


He did not help haha.
 
2014-02-19 02:36:17 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: FLMountainMan: He did get a godawful Philly team to the finals

They weren't godawful.  They were constructed the only way possible for a team with Iverson on it could succeed and it was brilliantly done by Larry Brown and Billy King.  They put a bunch of guys who played defense and didn't need the ball around him to play 4-as-1 (plus AI) basketball.  Iverson gets the credit but make no mistake that TEAM got AI to the finals, not the other way around.


No.
 
2014-02-19 05:37:57 PM

regindyn: AdmirableSnackbar: FLMountainMan: He did get a godawful Philly team to the finals

They weren't godawful.  They were constructed the only way possible for a team with Iverson on it could succeed and it was brilliantly done by Larry Brown and Billy King.  They put a bunch of guys who played defense and didn't need the ball around him to play 4-as-1 (plus AI) basketball.  Iverson gets the credit but make no mistake that TEAM got AI to the finals, not the other way around.

No.


C'mon, it was brilliantly constructed to have no guys with offensive talent all around him because it's all AI's fault.

Because Billy King is well-noted for his fine general managing acumen.
 
2014-02-19 08:19:49 PM

IAmRight: regindyn: AdmirableSnackbar: FLMountainMan: He did get a godawful Philly team to the finals

They weren't godawful.  They were constructed the only way possible for a team with Iverson on it could succeed and it was brilliantly done by Larry Brown and Billy King.  They put a bunch of guys who played defense and didn't need the ball around him to play 4-as-1 (plus AI) basketball.  Iverson gets the credit but make no mistake that TEAM got AI to the finals, not the other way around.

No.

C'mon, it was brilliantly constructed to have no guys with offensive talent all around him because it's all AI's fault.

Because Billy King is well-noted for his fine general managing acumen.


Your first sentence is pretty accurate.  The exception is that they had offensive talent - they weren't all-stars but they were solid supporting players.  Iverson proved early in his career that he was unwilling to work with another all-star caliber player - see Stackhouse, Jerry.  The Sixers couldn't trade Iverson once they realized what they were stuck with because it would have been a PR nightmare, but they still wanted to win.  The only way to do that was to surround him with players who would keep their mouths shut while AI put up 50 shots in a game - 15 of which he had no business taking - even though their shooting percentages were much higher.  Iverson made some highlight plays, but ultimately he was the basketball version of Michael Vick or Tim Tebow in that while he was fun to watch you couldn't run a conventional offense with him because he just wouldn't or couldn't work the system.  That's a little unfair to Tebow because unlike the other two he tried to make the most of what he had, but the point remains that just because a guy regularly makes the ESPN highlight reel doesn't mean he's a great player.

And you'll not that I credited Larry Brown first because it was almost completely his genius, but Billy King was the team's GM so yes he deserves some credit as well.
 
2014-02-20 02:59:02 PM
Your first sentence is pretty accurate.  The exception is that they had offensive talent - they weren't all-stars but they were solid supporting players.  Iverson proved early in his career that he was unwilling to work with another all-star caliber player - see Stackhouse, Jerry.  The Sixers couldn't trade Iverson once they realized what they were stuck with because it would have been a PR nightmare, but they still wanted to win.  The only way to do that was to surround him with players who would keep their mouths shut while AI put up 50 shots in a game - 15 of which he had no business taking - even though their shooting percentages were much higher.  Iverson made some highlight plays, but ultimately he was the basketball version of Michael Vick or Tim Tebow in that while he was fun to watch you couldn't run a conventional offense with him because he just wouldn't or couldn't work the system.  That's a little unfair to Tebow because unlike the other two he tried to make the most of what he had, but the point remains that just because a guy regularly makes the ESPN highlight reel doesn't mean he's a great player.
And you'll not that I credited Larry Brown first because it was almost completely his genius, but Billy King was the team's GM so yes he deserves some credit as well
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No.
please stop
 
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