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(SacBee)   Man who fired multiple times into an occupied car, killing a teenage girl, claims he was "firing to scare"   (sacbee.com) divider line 53
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2014-02-18 09:39:36 PM  
9 votes:
"Mr. Noble stated that he waited inside because he knew whoever vandalized his vehicle was going to come back. Mr. Noble stated that once they returned (about 45 minutes later), he fired his handgun to scare them," according to the statement released by police Tuesday.


He lay in wait with a loaded weapon and then fired at them upon their return. THAT is premeditation. He's going to end up having to narfle the garthunk on this one.
2014-02-18 06:14:20 PM  
7 votes:
Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.
2014-02-18 07:44:42 PM  
5 votes:
This is very sad.  It could have been prevented if the "Perp" had taken a class on self-defense- regardless of who teaches it, a little girl would still be alive today, and 5 other children wouldn't be traumatized for life.

Even if you hate the NRA, the NRA's classes on WHEN to use a firearm would have saved this entire tragedy.
2014-02-18 10:10:47 PM  
4 votes:

hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


Probably none.

This guy set up an ambush and opened fire at a car full of teenagers. That's called murder 1.
2014-02-18 07:02:46 PM  
4 votes:
In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.
2014-02-19 03:58:14 AM  
3 votes:

Oh_Enough_Already: That's the point. They never are. But they're MADE racial issues by the hucksters and race-baiters who can profit off of sowing division. If Zimmerman was black, we'd have never ever heard of him.

Meanwhile, the far far far far far more common black on white murders are NEVER a "racial issue" even when they unequivocally are.



Your confusion is arising from the fact that you're completely missing the actual point.

In both the Zimmerman case and the more recent Jordan Davis murder, the racial aspect of the case has virtually nothing to do with whether Zimmerman or Dunn themselves were blatantly racist or whether their murders were racially motivated, and everything to do with the fact that we are codifying their racial bias into the actual law.

Both Zimmerman and Dunn shot unarmed black kids because they felt "threatened" and were not convicted of their murders because the jury found it reasonable that they felt threatened.  In stand-your-ground cases, like the Zimmerman case you talk about, it is overwhelmingly the case that white people who shoot black people are unlikely to be convicted, while black people who shoot whites WILL be.  In other words, the courts have taken Dunn's feelings of racial bias that cause him to feel threatened by a black kid playing loud music and elevated it to a legitimate legal defense while the reverse situation is not considered legitimate.

THAT is why those cases get so much attention.  Not because Zimmerman is racist, but because the LAW is.
2014-02-18 09:59:29 PM  
3 votes:

DigitalCoffee: "Mr. Noble stated that he waited inside because he knew whoever vandalized his vehicle was going to come back. Mr. Noble stated that once they returned (about 45 minutes later), he fired his handgun to scare them," according to the statement released by police Tuesday.


He lay in wait with a loaded weapon and then fired at them upon their return. THAT is premeditation. He's going to end up having to narfle the garthunk on this one.


Yeah he's farked. Where's his lawyer during all this advising him to keep his mouth shut? Cause he should totally do that.
2014-02-18 07:57:16 PM  
3 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.

Well, isn't terrorism by definition trying to scare someone?


Terrorism used to require a political component. These days everything is terrorism.
2014-02-18 07:05:06 PM  
3 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.


Well, isn't terrorism by definition trying to scare someone?
2014-02-18 11:06:45 PM  
2 votes:
MechaPyx:

Yeah but you get a description/license plate number and let the cops deal with it.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA .... HAHAHAHA ... whew ... good one.
2014-02-18 10:50:42 PM  
2 votes:

Oh_Enough_Already: Relax everybody, the shooter was also black, so you can go back to not giving a shiat about a black kid getting shot. This isn't another Zimmerman case as much as you and Sharpton and Jackson and Toure' and Piers Morgan were all hoping it was going to be when you clicked on the link.

Save your outrage for when he's convicted, and you can moan and cry about how the "system is racist."

Speaking of which, how dare any of you criticize him now! Don't you know saying anything bad about somebody who's black is automatically racist now?

FREE WILLIE NOW!!!


No one is trying to make it a racial issue.  It's just a 'dumbass who shouldn't have owned a gun' story.

Secret Master of All Flatulence: hardinparamedic:   How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


I'd like to hear the FULL story.  The media is FUBAR, as the Zimmerman trial (and the NBC-doctored 911 recording) demonstrated.  That being said:  If the only reason he fired was to scare the occupants, he deserves a lengthy stay at taxpayer expense in a nice, safe place.  OTOH, if the reason he fired his sidearm was because he was concerned about his personal safety and the safety of the rest of his family, that's entirely a different beast.


He laid in wait for some kids who TPed his car and then shot at them.  During the time he was waiting he didn't even bother to call the police, which, if you're in fear of your life, would likely be your first move if you weren't actively being chased.

This doesn't come close to even the very broad Zimmerman interpretation of self defense.
2014-02-18 10:25:32 PM  
2 votes:

MechaPyx: MFAWG: hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?

He and the victims are not of the Caucasian Persuasion, so my guess is zero.

What's to defend?

I can understand being upset if someone is messing with your property but I hardly think piling leaves on your car warrants a shooting. That's a harmless prank. Dude overreacted. I've been subjected to similar pranks. It's very frustrating so I do understand but he made a really bad, impulsive decision in the heat of the moment and now he's going to have to face the consequences of his actions.


There's nothing to defend. That being said, it was neither 'impulsive' nor 'heat of the moment'. There was 45 minutes between the time they left and the time they returned and were fired upon. That is 'calculated and premeditated' rather than 'impulsive in the heat of the moment'. Of course he farked himself by talking and saying something other than requesting a lawyer.

They can (and should) drop the BS terrorist thing. They have him solid on murder one and multiple felony assault  counts which will make him go away for a very long time. No sense in muddying up the waters.
2014-02-18 10:04:38 PM  
2 votes:

Cpl.D: rkiller1: This will never show up on CNN or Nancy Grace, and you know why.  Dunn convicted

Isn't she the ex-prosecutor, who really should have known better, immediately declared the Duke Lacrosse boys guilty, and then didn't apologize later when it turned out they were innocent?


Prosocuters are the worst. They convict innocent people through plea deals and pressure, then congratulate themselves on a job well done. Evil, evil folken.
2014-02-18 10:02:59 PM  
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


Hah, he's black. Good luck.
2014-02-18 09:50:11 PM  
2 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.


This.

If that's what really happened, this guy deserves to go to prison for a very long time. Every responsible gun owner should know that you only shoot to stop an immediate threat*. If you cannot grasp this concept, you need to sell all of your firearms ASAP.

*State law determining whether that threat includes threat to others, includes sexual assault, etc.
2014-02-18 09:43:14 PM  
2 votes:
Now, ya'll know, if this guy was white and could afford a good attorney, he would have a fair chance of walking away a free man.

He wouldn't have made incriminating statements but would have felt threatened in some way and would be busy establishing his victimization qualifications.  The good people of Arkansas would likely have supplied him with an application for a bronze statue in the town square for his good citizenship.

This guy is probably guilty as hell and deserves what he gets.  And, we pretty much know the situation would be much different if he was white.
2014-02-18 09:36:47 PM  
2 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: The ONLY conceivable out I'll give him is if he somehow shot in the air and the bullet just came down and killed the girl. Even then it's still 50/50.


FTFA:  Officers found the driver side of the car pocked with bullet holes. Adrian was in the front passenger seat, and later died at a hospital.

It sounds like he shot right at it and hit it multiple times.
2014-02-18 08:52:42 PM  
2 votes:

Trailltrader: This is very sad.  It could have been prevented if the "Perp" had taken a class on self-defense- regardless of who teaches it, a little girl would still be alive today, and 5 other children wouldn't be traumatized for life.

Even if you hate the NRA, the NRA's classes on WHEN to use a firearm would have saved this entire tragedy.


So would have him never buying a gun.
2014-02-18 06:15:27 PM  
2 votes:
Well, I guess at least one of them is scared to death now
2014-02-19 04:13:34 AM  
1 votes:

Gawdzila: THAT is why those cases get so much attention. Not because Zimmerman is racist, but because the LAW is.


DING DING DING.
2014-02-19 02:27:44 AM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Lcpl_Dunno: At least this way there will be actual effects at the end that aren't written on paper and ignored.

Yeah. One man is going to jail for the rest of his life, and another person is dead.

Oh, those rascals sure learned their lesson this time!

[www.troll.me image 551x574]


You have ... no idea what the hell you're talking about do you? I said reporting this to the police was stupid. That idiot suggested that the only other method of resolving the issue was going on a shooting spree. I suggested that beating ones head against the wall was better than reporting it to the police because at least beating your head against the wall does something.

By anyone's calculations ... you're an idiot.
2014-02-19 01:24:12 AM  
1 votes:

CommonName2: Also, how could he try to scare them (the terrorism part) AND plan to kill them? Isn't that an "either-or" situation?


So you're saying that if a terrorist sets off a bomb and the bomb kills people, it isn't terrorism because he killed them instead of just scaring them?


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
/farking logic.  How does it work?
2014-02-18 11:49:23 PM  
1 votes:

MFAWG: hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?

He and the victims are not of the Caucasian Persuasion, so my guess is zero.


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There is nothing here to defend. The man did something incredibly stupid and irresponsible, and deserves to be punished for it. End of story. Race has nothing to do with it, no matter how badly you want it to. The man murdered someone, either intentionally or unintentionally (depending on the story), and he will, rightly so, face the consequences of his actions. There is no reasonable or logical defense for his actions, regardless of the color of his skin.

But hey, don't bring anything meaningful to the conversation. Just drop the race card and flee. That's always a winning move.
2014-02-18 11:45:15 PM  
1 votes:

SCUBA_Archer: Judging by Fark's ability to fairly evaluate a story where guns are involved, I am inclined to believe this guy was 100% innocent and those kids got what was coming to them.


Or alternatively, the kids were 100% innocent in all respects, and the guy hunted them down at the Disneyesque meadow where they were frolicking with the little animals and shot them with a belt-loading 50-cal. machine gun mounted in the bed of his armored vehicle.
2014-02-18 11:26:04 PM  
1 votes:

bunner: It's OK, you piece of trash.  They'll just set the electric chair to "annoy".


So like this:

www.stepbystep.com
and probation and duder is good?
2014-02-18 11:21:42 PM  
1 votes:
It's OK, you piece of trash.  They'll just set the electric chair to "annoy".
2014-02-18 11:20:19 PM  
1 votes:
TuteTibiImperes:

FTFA: "Mr. Noble stated that he waited inside because he knew whoever vandalized his vehicle was going to come back. Mr. Noble stated that once they returned (about 45 minutes later), he fired his handgun to scare them"

Well, he outright admitted that he wasn't just hanging out at his house, he was expecting them to come back, and expecting to shoot.

If I was in fear of my life from someone that I thought would be coming to my house I know I'd call the police to have them sit a car out front, or call the police and then go check in to a hotel for the night, but that's just me.

He was anticipating an altercation, and he got it.


You have obviously tried this with positive results .... /sarcasm.
2014-02-18 11:16:46 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Secret Master of All Flatulence: OTOH, if the reason he fired his sidearm was because he was concerned about his personal safety and the safety of the rest of his family, that's entirely a different beast.

He shot into a car that was moving away from him.

Absolutely no justification for that. No matter what Call of Counter-strike 4 tells you


Um, are you sure about that?  After all, I don't think that even the prosecution is contesting that the vehicle was returning to the scene of the original crime when it got shot up.  The vandals left the scene, which was the shooter's house.  The vandals then RETURNED to the shooter's house.  Once they got shot at, they then left the scene. I'm sure that the shooter's defense team will go with the "I didn't know why they were coming back, they'd already broken the law, and I reasonably didn't know what their intent was, except to say that it was probably to commit another crime."
2014-02-18 11:13:02 PM  
1 votes:

morg: Benevolent Misanthrope: In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.

There is absolutely no meaning left in that word. Might as well have said a Smurfy act.


IIRC, the word you are referring to does not mean what you think it means in legal context, and has been in use in the form its being used here for quite some time.  However, IANAL.
pla
2014-02-18 11:05:44 PM  
1 votes:
Mistake #1:

Always, always, always shoot to kill.  Then they call you a hero for defending your home and family, instead of finding yourself "charged with first-degree murder, five counts of aggravated assault and committing a terroristic act".

Terroristic act.  Wow.  Al Qaeda has won by such a huge margin it hurts.  Congrats, we've given Osama a victory worth dying for.
2014-02-18 10:57:51 PM  
1 votes:

Secret Master of All Flatulence: OTOH, if the reason he fired his sidearm was because he was concerned about his personal safety and the safety of the rest of his family, that's entirely a different beast.


He shot into a car that was moving away from him.

Absolutely no justification for that. No matter what Call of Counter-strike 4 tells you
2014-02-18 10:51:48 PM  
1 votes:

ultraholland: black people fire warning shots like THIS


We have a nearly identical case here in Lafayette, except that the shooter is a white male accounting major who shot three teen boys, killing a 15 year old white alter server.  It will be interesting if the white kid gets the same treatment as the black guy in Arkansas.  Charges are the same.
2014-02-18 10:30:03 PM  
1 votes:
hardinparamedic:   How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


I'd like to hear the FULL story.  The media is FUBAR, as the Zimmerman trial (and the NBC-doctored 911 recording) demonstrated.  That being said:  If the only reason he fired was to scare the occupants, he deserves a lengthy stay at taxpayer expense in a nice, safe place.  OTOH, if the reason he fired his sidearm was because he was concerned about his personal safety and the safety of the rest of his family, that's entirely a different beast.
2014-02-18 10:17:16 PM  
1 votes:
Isolated incident # 34,664,251
2014-02-18 10:02:54 PM  
1 votes:

mooseyfate: CommonName2: Make a victim feel helpless and they will eventually resort to vigilantism. Would this have happened if he felt the system would handle the crimes against him?

Also, how could he try to scare them (the terrorism part) AND plan to kill them? Isn't that an "either-or" situation?

Yay...it's "That Guy". Glad you could make it.


Sorry, I should keep to one-step solutions. Considering complex root issues would eat into Kardashian time.

Obviously it was an over-reaction, but why did it happen? It doesn't matter, just easier to deal with the results.
2014-02-18 10:01:05 PM  
1 votes:

rkiller1: This will never show up on CNN or Nancy Grace, and you know why.  Dunn convicted


Isn't she the ex-prosecutor, who really should have known better, immediately declared the Duke Lacrosse boys guilty, and then didn't apologize later when it turned out they were innocent?
2014-02-18 09:59:52 PM  
1 votes:
Sounds like it worked.
2014-02-18 09:52:57 PM  
1 votes:
damn that racist son of a biatch, anyone who shoots black people is racist and this guy is no exception. it's not possible that he's just a moron, nope, he's definitely a racist!
2014-02-18 09:52:08 PM  
1 votes:

pissnmoan: Now, ya'll know, if this guy was white and could afford a good attorney, he would have a fair chance of walking away a free man.

He wouldn't have made incriminating statements but would have felt threatened in some way and would be busy establishing his victimization qualifications.  The good people of Arkansas would likely have supplied him with an application for a bronze statue in the town square for his good citizenship.

This guy is probably guilty as hell and deserves what he gets.  And, we pretty much know the situation would be much different if he was white.


3/10 - started strong, but then, you were pushing too hard with the bronze statue, and finished up by repeating yourself.
2014-02-18 09:50:42 PM  
1 votes:
It's super effective.
2014-02-18 09:47:16 PM  
1 votes:

Beeblebrox: You don't fark with another man's ride.


They were leaves. If wind can solve the problem, Maybe gunplay isn't the right option.
2014-02-18 09:46:58 PM  
1 votes:

Summoner101: Well let's take a look at it this way.  Would a reasonable person given the circumstances think a warning shot was an adequate alternative to shooting to kill.


No, if you don't need to kill something there's no reason to shoot at all. Unless you are at the range or something.
2014-02-18 09:43:53 PM  
1 votes:
People scare better when they're dying.
2014-02-18 09:43:42 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


I believe that the consensus yesterday was that she'll never egg a car again, and since when do teenagers go out at night anyways and how can you expect anyone not to shoot at someone the instant they set foot on your lawn?
2014-02-18 09:43:26 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe he saw someone pointing a shotgun out of the vehicle?

Go with the self-defense route.  He might get a hung jury.
2014-02-18 09:33:15 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, warning shots are not protected under self defense laws.

/ didn't Biden basically tell people to break that law during the 2012 campaign?
2014-02-18 09:29:47 PM  
1 votes:
Dudes a piece of shiat.  With that being said, don't fark with a mans car.  That shiat just sets us off in HULK SMASH rage.
2014-02-18 09:17:04 PM  
1 votes:
static3.wikia.nocookie.net
She looked pretty scared to me!
2014-02-18 08:34:59 PM  
1 votes:
Wait wait wait.
I live in chicago. 
Chicago cops scare the CRAP out of me.
So it is ok to shoot them?

IS being afraid justified???

FARK THIS shiat
2014-02-18 08:20:55 PM  
1 votes:
As a former kid who egged some houses, killing the eggers isn't the answer. Just catch them and get them to clean up the house.
2014-02-18 07:43:57 PM  
1 votes:
Hey. Don't shoot guns at stuff.
You could kill someone.

Shoot at anything you wish to destroy and know is a threat to your life.

A car driving by, or standing still is not a threat.
2014-02-18 07:39:38 PM  
1 votes:
Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.


THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?
2014-02-18 07:22:25 PM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Benevolent Misanthrope: In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.

Well, isn't terrorism by definition trying to scare someone?


By that definition, M. Night Shyamalan should be in prison for farking life.
 
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