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(SacBee)   Man who fired multiple times into an occupied car, killing a teenage girl, claims he was "firing to scare"   (sacbee.com) divider line 214
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2014-02-18 06:14:20 PM  
Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.
 
2014-02-18 06:15:27 PM  
Well, I guess at least one of them is scared to death now
 
2014-02-18 07:02:46 PM  
In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.
 
2014-02-18 07:05:06 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.


Well, isn't terrorism by definition trying to scare someone?
 
2014-02-18 07:22:25 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Benevolent Misanthrope: In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.

Well, isn't terrorism by definition trying to scare someone?


By that definition, M. Night Shyamalan should be in prison for farking life.
 
2014-02-18 07:39:38 PM  
Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.


THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?
 
2014-02-18 07:41:03 PM  
Genius.

Eff you, iPhone.
 
2014-02-18 07:43:55 PM  
In cases like this I'm OK with the death penalty.
 
2014-02-18 07:43:57 PM  
Hey. Don't shoot guns at stuff.
You could kill someone.

Shoot at anything you wish to destroy and know is a threat to your life.

A car driving by, or standing still is not a threat.
 
2014-02-18 07:44:42 PM  
This is very sad.  It could have been prevented if the "Perp" had taken a class on self-defense- regardless of who teaches it, a little girl would still be alive today, and 5 other children wouldn't be traumatized for life.

Even if you hate the NRA, the NRA's classes on WHEN to use a firearm would have saved this entire tragedy.
 
2014-02-18 07:46:52 PM  
I said ACROSS her nose, not UP it!
 
2014-02-18 07:57:16 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.

Well, isn't terrorism by definition trying to scare someone?


Terrorism used to require a political component. These days everything is terrorism.
 
2014-02-18 08:05:34 PM  

fusillade762: Terrorism used to require a political component. These days everything is terrorism.


That sounds like something a terrorist might say.
 
2014-02-18 08:20:55 PM  
As a former kid who egged some houses, killing the eggers isn't the answer. Just catch them and get them to clean up the house.
 
2014-02-18 08:34:59 PM  
Wait wait wait.
I live in chicago. 
Chicago cops scare the CRAP out of me.
So it is ok to shoot them?

IS being afraid justified???

FARK THIS shiat
 
2014-02-18 08:40:45 PM  

hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


Joe Biden?
 
2014-02-18 08:46:25 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: By that definition, M. Night Shyamalan should be in prison for farking life.


Well, I was being bit sarcastic, but technically speaking...

/Shyamalan? Scary?
//Personally I think he'd have lifetime immunity from prosecution
 
2014-02-18 08:52:42 PM  

Trailltrader: This is very sad.  It could have been prevented if the "Perp" had taken a class on self-defense- regardless of who teaches it, a little girl would still be alive today, and 5 other children wouldn't be traumatized for life.

Even if you hate the NRA, the NRA's classes on WHEN to use a firearm would have saved this entire tragedy.


So would have him never buying a gun.
 
2014-02-18 08:58:34 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Benevolent Misanthrope: By that definition, M. Night Shyamalan should be in prison for farking life.

Well, I was being bit sarcastic, but technically speaking...

/Shyamalan? Scary?
//Personally I think he'd have lifetime immunity from prosecution


His movies just creep me out.

Hitchcock, then.  Tobe Hooper.  Wes Craven.  [insert your scariest movie's director here]
 
2014-02-18 09:17:04 PM  
static3.wikia.nocookie.net
She looked pretty scared to me!
 
2014-02-18 09:25:06 PM  

FriarReb98: I said ACROSS her nose, not UP it!


On one hand, probably the funniest thing I've read today. On the other hand, how tragic.
 
2014-02-18 09:28:36 PM  
He's not white, so he'll get the needle
/Am I doing it right
 
2014-02-18 09:29:47 PM  
Dudes a piece of shiat.  With that being said, don't fark with a mans car.  That shiat just sets us off in HULK SMASH rage.
 
2014-02-18 09:30:54 PM  
"Warning shots" are never a good idea. They make a pretty bad excuse if you actually kill someone with them, as well.
 
2014-02-18 09:30:56 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-18 09:31:08 PM  
Hey man, nice shot.
 
2014-02-18 09:31:47 PM  
The ONLY conceivable out I'll give him is if he somehow shot in the air and the bullet just came down and killed the girl. Even then it's still 50/50.
 
2014-02-18 09:32:53 PM  
vudukungfu:
A car driving by, or standing still is not a threat.

If it's coming right at you, it is a threat.

/just saying
 
2014-02-18 09:33:15 PM  
Yeah, warning shots are not protected under self defense laws.

/ didn't Biden basically tell people to break that law during the 2012 campaign?
 
2014-02-18 09:35:02 PM  
Well let's take a look at it this way.  Would a reasonable person given the circumstances think a warning shot was an adequate alternative to shooting to kill.

 he fired his pistol because he wanted to scare a carload of teenagers he believed vandalized his vehicle

He mad.
 
2014-02-18 09:35:22 PM  

lack of warmth: vudukungfu:
A car driving by, or standing still is not a threat.

If it's coming right at you, it is a threat.

/just saying


Listen, the only way you can shoot the car is if you yell, "It's coming right for us!".
 
2014-02-18 09:36:47 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: The ONLY conceivable out I'll give him is if he somehow shot in the air and the bullet just came down and killed the girl. Even then it's still 50/50.


FTFA:  Officers found the driver side of the car pocked with bullet holes. Adrian was in the front passenger seat, and later died at a hospital.

It sounds like he shot right at it and hit it multiple times.
 
2014-02-18 09:37:10 PM  
Oh, well, then. I say we let him g-- Heywaitaminute! Almost got me.
 
2014-02-18 09:37:33 PM  
Make a victim feel helpless and they will eventually resort to vigilantism. Would this have happened if he felt the system would handle the crimes against him?

Also, how could he try to scare them (the terrorism part) AND plan to kill them? Isn't that an "either-or" situation?
 
2014-02-18 09:39:36 PM  
"Mr. Noble stated that he waited inside because he knew whoever vandalized his vehicle was going to come back. Mr. Noble stated that once they returned (about 45 minutes later), he fired his handgun to scare them," according to the statement released by police Tuesday.


He lay in wait with a loaded weapon and then fired at them upon their return. THAT is premeditation. He's going to end up having to narfle the garthunk on this one.
 
2014-02-18 09:40:35 PM  
black people fire warning shots like THIS
 
2014-02-18 09:41:38 PM  

CommonName2: Make a victim feel helpless and they will eventually resort to vigilantism. Would this have happened if he felt the system would handle the crimes against him?

Also, how could he try to scare them (the terrorism part) AND plan to kill them? Isn't that an "either-or" situation?


Yay...it's "That Guy". Glad you could make it.
 
2014-02-18 09:42:38 PM  

iheartscotch: Yeah, warning shots are not protected under self defense laws.

/ didn't Biden basically tell people to break that law during the 2012 campaign?


www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-02-18 09:43:00 PM  
You don't fark with another man's ride.
 
2014-02-18 09:43:14 PM  
Now, ya'll know, if this guy was white and could afford a good attorney, he would have a fair chance of walking away a free man.

He wouldn't have made incriminating statements but would have felt threatened in some way and would be busy establishing his victimization qualifications.  The good people of Arkansas would likely have supplied him with an application for a bronze statue in the town square for his good citizenship.

This guy is probably guilty as hell and deserves what he gets.  And, we pretty much know the situation would be much different if he was white.
 
2014-02-18 09:43:26 PM  
Maybe he saw someone pointing a shotgun out of the vehicle?

Go with the self-defense route.  He might get a hung jury.
 
2014-02-18 09:43:42 PM  

hardinparamedic: How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


I believe that the consensus yesterday was that she'll never egg a car again, and since when do teenagers go out at night anyways and how can you expect anyone not to shoot at someone the instant they set foot on your lawn?
 
2014-02-18 09:43:53 PM  
People scare better when they're dying.
 
2014-02-18 09:45:47 PM  

vudukungfu: Hey. Don't shoot guns at stuff.
You could kill someone.

Shoot at anything you wish to destroy and know is a threat to your life.

A car driving by, or standing still is not a threat.


Unless you're a cop.
 
2014-02-18 09:46:11 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: SuperNinjaToad: The ONLY conceivable out I'll give him is if he somehow shot in the air and the bullet just came down and killed the girl. Even then it's still 50/50.

FTFA:  Officers found the driver side of the car pocked with bullet holes. Adrian was in the front passenger seat, and later died at a hospital.

It sounds like he shot right at it and hit it multiple times.


He was aiming for the air between the car and himself.
 
2014-02-18 09:46:58 PM  

Summoner101: Well let's take a look at it this way.  Would a reasonable person given the circumstances think a warning shot was an adequate alternative to shooting to kill.


No, if you don't need to kill something there's no reason to shoot at all. Unless you are at the range or something.
 
2014-02-18 09:47:16 PM  

Beeblebrox: You don't fark with another man's ride.


They were leaves. If wind can solve the problem, Maybe gunplay isn't the right option.
 
2014-02-18 09:47:48 PM  
Dshone?

My phone kept trying to autocorrect that name to Duh.
 
2014-02-18 09:50:11 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.


This.

If that's what really happened, this guy deserves to go to prison for a very long time. Every responsible gun owner should know that you only shoot to stop an immediate threat*. If you cannot grasp this concept, you need to sell all of your firearms ASAP.

*State law determining whether that threat includes threat to others, includes sexual assault, etc.
 
2014-02-18 09:50:42 PM  
It's super effective.
 
2014-02-18 09:52:08 PM  

pissnmoan: Now, ya'll know, if this guy was white and could afford a good attorney, he would have a fair chance of walking away a free man.

He wouldn't have made incriminating statements but would have felt threatened in some way and would be busy establishing his victimization qualifications.  The good people of Arkansas would likely have supplied him with an application for a bronze statue in the town square for his good citizenship.

This guy is probably guilty as hell and deserves what he gets.  And, we pretty much know the situation would be much different if he was white.


3/10 - started strong, but then, you were pushing too hard with the bronze statue, and finished up by repeating yourself.
 
2014-02-18 09:52:42 PM  

mooseyfate: Beeblebrox: You don't fark with another man's ride.

They were leaves. If wind can solve the problem, Maybe gunplay isn't the right option.


Is dissapoint with you.

img.fark.net
 
2014-02-18 09:52:57 PM  
damn that racist son of a biatch, anyone who shoots black people is racist and this guy is no exception. it's not possible that he's just a moron, nope, he's definitely a racist!
 
2014-02-18 09:53:30 PM  

pissnmoan: Now, ya'll know, if this guy was white and could afford a good attorney, he would have a fair chance of walking away a free man.

He wouldn't have made incriminating statements but would have felt threatened in some way and would be busy establishing his victimization qualifications.  The good people of Arkansas would likely have supplied him with an application for a bronze statue in the town square for his good citizenship.

This guy is probably guilty as hell and deserves what he gets.  And, we pretty much know the situation would be much different if he was white.


Not all Arkansans are racist assholes
 
2014-02-18 09:54:32 PM  
This will never show up on CNN or Nancy Grace, and you know why.  Dunn convicted
 
2014-02-18 09:57:41 PM  
Wow, he really IS as dumb as he looks.
 
2014-02-18 09:59:29 PM  

DigitalCoffee: "Mr. Noble stated that he waited inside because he knew whoever vandalized his vehicle was going to come back. Mr. Noble stated that once they returned (about 45 minutes later), he fired his handgun to scare them," according to the statement released by police Tuesday.


He lay in wait with a loaded weapon and then fired at them upon their return. THAT is premeditation. He's going to end up having to narfle the garthunk on this one.


Yeah he's farked. Where's his lawyer during all this advising him to keep his mouth shut? Cause he should totally do that.
 
2014-02-18 09:59:52 PM  
Sounds like it worked.
 
2014-02-18 10:01:05 PM  

rkiller1: This will never show up on CNN or Nancy Grace, and you know why.  Dunn convicted


Isn't she the ex-prosecutor, who really should have known better, immediately declared the Duke Lacrosse boys guilty, and then didn't apologize later when it turned out they were innocent?
 
2014-02-18 10:02:54 PM  

mooseyfate: CommonName2: Make a victim feel helpless and they will eventually resort to vigilantism. Would this have happened if he felt the system would handle the crimes against him?

Also, how could he try to scare them (the terrorism part) AND plan to kill them? Isn't that an "either-or" situation?

Yay...it's "That Guy". Glad you could make it.


Sorry, I should keep to one-step solutions. Considering complex root issues would eat into Kardashian time.

Obviously it was an over-reaction, but why did it happen? It doesn't matter, just easier to deal with the results.
 
2014-02-18 10:02:59 PM  

hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


Hah, he's black. Good luck.
 
2014-02-18 10:04:38 PM  

Cpl.D: rkiller1: This will never show up on CNN or Nancy Grace, and you know why.  Dunn convicted

Isn't she the ex-prosecutor, who really should have known better, immediately declared the Duke Lacrosse boys guilty, and then didn't apologize later when it turned out they were innocent?


Prosocuters are the worst. They convict innocent people through plea deals and pressure, then congratulate themselves on a job well done. Evil, evil folken.
 
2014-02-18 10:05:40 PM  

Cpl.D: rkiller1: This will never show up on CNN or Nancy Grace, and you know why.  Dunn convicted

Isn't she the ex-prosecutor, who really should have known better, immediately declared the Duke Lacrosse boys guilty, and then didn't apologize later when it turned out they were innocent?


I think so, just like these 88 knuckleheads: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_88
 
2014-02-18 10:05:40 PM  

hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


He and the victims are not of the Caucasian Persuasion, so my guess is zero.
 
2014-02-18 10:10:47 PM  

hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


Probably none.

This guy set up an ambush and opened fire at a car full of teenagers. That's called murder 1.
 
2014-02-18 10:11:27 PM  

MFAWG: hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?

He and the victims are not of the Caucasian Persuasion, so my guess is zero.


What's to defend?

I can understand being upset if someone is messing with your property but I hardly think piling leaves on your car warrants a shooting. That's a harmless prank. Dude overreacted. I've been subjected to similar pranks. It's very frustrating so I do understand but he made a really bad, impulsive decision in the heat of the moment and now he's going to have to face the consequences of his actions.
 
2014-02-18 10:13:07 PM  
"Remember - every law-abiding citizen should be armed at all times, just in case their life is in danger from unarmed teenaged girls and car doors."

Killing someone because you THINK they egged your car? Really? Thank FSM I didn't meet any nutcases like this when I was out trick or treating and playing pranks back in the 70's...
/under the jail
//now
 
2014-02-18 10:14:02 PM  
Black guy? Arkansas? He's boned.
 
2014-02-18 10:17:16 PM  
Isolated incident # 34,664,251
 
2014-02-18 10:19:03 PM  
Scare me once, shame on you. Scare me twice.. can't.. can't get scared again
 
2014-02-18 10:20:49 PM  
He laid in wait.  He could have just as easily thrown out caltrops and then beat them to death with a tire iron.
 
2014-02-18 10:20:49 PM  

mooseyfate: Beeblebrox: You don't fark with another man's ride.

They were leaves. If wind can solve the problem, Maybe gunplay isn't the right option.


It appears there's an update buried in TFA:

Police said Willie Noble, 48, shot at the carload of teenagers after he found eggs, mayonnaise and toilet paper covering his car Friday night.

I can understand getting that pissed off when I get outside, getting all set to go to work, and my car is covered in that shiat. Especially the mayo.
 
2014-02-18 10:21:20 PM  

proteus_b: damn that racist son of a biatch,

anyone who shoots black people is racist and this guy is no exception. it's not possible that he's just a moron, nope, he's definitely a racist!


thesportsfanjournal.com

Now here's a guy who doesn't understand the difference between actual racism and straw man arguments!
 
2014-02-18 10:22:35 PM  

Vector R: mooseyfate: Beeblebrox: You don't fark with another man's ride.

They were leaves. If wind can solve the problem, Maybe gunplay isn't the right option.

It appears there's an update buried in TFA:

Police said Willie Noble, 48, shot at the carload of teenagers after he found eggs, mayonnaise and toilet paper covering his car Friday night.

I can understand getting that pissed off when I get outside, getting all set to go to work, and my car is covered in that shiat. Especially the mayo.


Yeah but you get a description/license plate number and let the cops deal with it.
 
2014-02-18 10:22:36 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Maybe he saw someone pointing a shotgun out of the vehicle?

Go with the self-defense route.  He might get a hung jury.


Personally, I don't care about the penis size of my jury.

/of course if they're hung, they might be more confident in their verdict.
 
2014-02-18 10:22:38 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Benevolent Misanthrope: In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.

Well, isn't terrorism by definition trying to scare someone?

By that definition, M. Night Shyamalan should be in prison for farking life.


M. Night Shyamalan actually scaring someone? What a tweest!
 
2014-02-18 10:22:48 PM  

rkiller1: Cpl.D: rkiller1: This will never show up on CNN or Nancy Grace, and you know why.  Dunn convicted

Isn't she the ex-prosecutor, who really should have known better, immediately declared the Duke Lacrosse boys guilty, and then didn't apologize later when it turned out they were innocent?

I think so, just like these 88 knuckleheads: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_88


They weren't "knuckleheads", the 88 are scum, and examples of why there should be no such thing as tenure.  Garbage, like these people, need to be kicked to the curb.
 
2014-02-18 10:23:11 PM  

lewismarktwo: He laid in wait.  He could have just as easily thrown out caltrops and then beat them to death with a tire iron.


Caltrops? Now I'm imagining drive-bys  on horseback
 
2014-02-18 10:23:25 PM  

rkiller1: This will never show up on CNN or Nancy Grace, and you know why.


No I don't. Why?
 
2014-02-18 10:25:15 PM  
Sure, the reason this guy isn't going to be a major headline is OBVIOUSLY because he and the victims were black. Not because he's, y'know, probably gonna be convicted rather than getting away with a slap on the wrist for murdering a teenager.
 
2014-02-18 10:25:32 PM  

MechaPyx: MFAWG: hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?

He and the victims are not of the Caucasian Persuasion, so my guess is zero.

What's to defend?

I can understand being upset if someone is messing with your property but I hardly think piling leaves on your car warrants a shooting. That's a harmless prank. Dude overreacted. I've been subjected to similar pranks. It's very frustrating so I do understand but he made a really bad, impulsive decision in the heat of the moment and now he's going to have to face the consequences of his actions.


There's nothing to defend. That being said, it was neither 'impulsive' nor 'heat of the moment'. There was 45 minutes between the time they left and the time they returned and were fired upon. That is 'calculated and premeditated' rather than 'impulsive in the heat of the moment'. Of course he farked himself by talking and saying something other than requesting a lawyer.

They can (and should) drop the BS terrorist thing. They have him solid on murder one and multiple felony assault  counts which will make him go away for a very long time. No sense in muddying up the waters.
 
2014-02-18 10:26:04 PM  
I guess he didn't do the classic 'pew pew pew' first.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-02-18 10:29:06 PM  
Give him the death penalty by firing squad.
 
2014-02-18 10:30:03 PM  
hardinparamedic:   How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


I'd like to hear the FULL story.  The media is FUBAR, as the Zimmerman trial (and the NBC-doctored 911 recording) demonstrated.  That being said:  If the only reason he fired was to scare the occupants, he deserves a lengthy stay at taxpayer expense in a nice, safe place.  OTOH, if the reason he fired his sidearm was because he was concerned about his personal safety and the safety of the rest of his family, that's entirely a different beast.
 
2014-02-18 10:31:51 PM  

namatad: Wait wait wait.
I live in chicago. 
Chicago cops scare the CRAP out of me.
So it is ok to shoot them?

IS being afraid justified???

FARK THIS shiat


You DO have the ability to "vote with your feet," you know...
 
2014-02-18 10:32:45 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: The ONLY conceivable out I'll give him is if he somehow shot in the air and the bullet just came down and killed the girl. Even then it's still 50/50.


You did not read the part that described the side of the car riddled with bullet holes? Unless I'm mistaken, a bullet fired up in the air would most likely hit the top of the car if it even hit it at all, which in itself is highly unlikely.

In other words; you know how I know you didn't bother to read the article before you decided to grace us with your poorly thought out comment?
 
2014-02-18 10:34:34 PM  

pissnmoan: And, we pretty much know the situation would be much different if he was white.


Oh, FFS.
 
2014-02-18 10:34:48 PM  

iheartscotch: Yeah, warning shots are not protected under self defense laws.

/ didn't Biden basically tell people to break that law during the 2012 campaign?


Yeah, he did.

Because after all of his protection detail is dead it makes total sense for his wife to fire a shotgun in the air.
 
2014-02-18 10:37:54 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: The ONLY conceivable out I'll give him is if he somehow shot in the air and the bullet just came down and killed the girl. Even then it's still 50/50.


Seven times?
 
hej
2014-02-18 10:38:06 PM  
We're expected to villianize this man, but tfa doesn't even bother telling us what kind of case out was that was vandalized.
 
2014-02-18 10:40:15 PM  
static3.wikia.nocookie.net


R.I.P Adrian Brody

 
2014-02-18 10:45:08 PM  
Unfortunately they don't have firing squad in Arkansas. , but they do have the electric chair. Good thing that murder while committing an act of terror , and shooting at a vehicle that is known to be occupied are both capital crimes that they can seek the death penalty over. Looks like he is going to get all the extra crispy that his heart desires!
 
2014-02-18 10:45:29 PM  
If Obama had a cousin, he'd look like Willie Noble . . . wait . . .

/ It's_time_to_stop_posting.jpg
 
2014-02-18 10:45:31 PM  
I blame Justin Beiber.
 
2014-02-18 10:47:42 PM  

DigitalCoffee: Of course he farked himself by talking and saying something other than requesting a lawyer.

shooting into a car full of kids.
 
2014-02-18 10:50:42 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: Relax everybody, the shooter was also black, so you can go back to not giving a shiat about a black kid getting shot. This isn't another Zimmerman case as much as you and Sharpton and Jackson and Toure' and Piers Morgan were all hoping it was going to be when you clicked on the link.

Save your outrage for when he's convicted, and you can moan and cry about how the "system is racist."

Speaking of which, how dare any of you criticize him now! Don't you know saying anything bad about somebody who's black is automatically racist now?

FREE WILLIE NOW!!!


No one is trying to make it a racial issue.  It's just a 'dumbass who shouldn't have owned a gun' story.

Secret Master of All Flatulence: hardinparamedic:   How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


I'd like to hear the FULL story.  The media is FUBAR, as the Zimmerman trial (and the NBC-doctored 911 recording) demonstrated.  That being said:  If the only reason he fired was to scare the occupants, he deserves a lengthy stay at taxpayer expense in a nice, safe place.  OTOH, if the reason he fired his sidearm was because he was concerned about his personal safety and the safety of the rest of his family, that's entirely a different beast.


He laid in wait for some kids who TPed his car and then shot at them.  During the time he was waiting he didn't even bother to call the police, which, if you're in fear of your life, would likely be your first move if you weren't actively being chased.

This doesn't come close to even the very broad Zimmerman interpretation of self defense.
 
2014-02-18 10:50:42 PM  

pissnmoan: Now, ya'll know, if this guy was white and could afford a good attorney, he would have a fair chance of walking away a free man.

He wouldn't have made incriminating statements but would have felt threatened in some way and would be busy establishing his victimization qualifications.  The good people of Arkansas would likely have supplied him with an application for a bronze statue in the town square for his good citizenship.

This guy is probably guilty as hell and deserves what he gets.  And, we pretty much know the situation would be much different if he was white.


I doubt that very much. Whiteys don't usually get free passes on murder charges. Our free passes are usually on the corporation charges, and only then it's mostly to get us out of Federal PMITA Prison and into Conjugal Visit prison.

Not saying I agree with that fact.
 
2014-02-18 10:51:48 PM  

ultraholland: black people fire warning shots like THIS


We have a nearly identical case here in Lafayette, except that the shooter is a white male accounting major who shot three teen boys, killing a 15 year old white alter server.  It will be interesting if the white kid gets the same treatment as the black guy in Arkansas.  Charges are the same.
 
2014-02-18 10:54:00 PM  

CommonName2: Make a victim feel helpless and they will eventually resort to vigilantism. Would this have happened if he felt the system would handle the crimes against him?

Also, how could he try to scare them (the terrorism part) AND plan to kill them? Isn't that an "either-or" situation?


You might want to learn the phrase "Depraved Indifference to Human Life".  It is one of the malice definitions in the Model Penal Code S 210.2(1)(b).

\If you shoot a weapon into an occupied car multiple times even with absolutely no felonious intent, it's murder if someone dies.
 
2014-02-18 10:56:38 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.


They don't have non-emergency numbers where you live?  That's too bad, maybe you should petition to get one in your city.  Besides, most insurance companies require a police report if you want to file a claim for damages.  Policework is a 24/7 job, it's not like you have to wait until morning.
 
2014-02-18 10:57:34 PM  

TwowheelinTim: SuperNinjaToad: The ONLY conceivable out I'll give him is if he somehow shot in the air and the bullet just came down and killed the girl. Even then it's still 50/50.

You did not read the part that described the side of the car riddled with bullet holes? Unless I'm mistaken, a bullet fired up in the air would most likely hit the top of the car if it even hit it at all, which in itself is highly unlikely.

In other words; you know how I know you didn't bother to read the article before you decided to grace us with your poorly thought out comment?


You think posting before reading the article is the exception here on Fark?
 
2014-02-18 10:57:51 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: OTOH, if the reason he fired his sidearm was because he was concerned about his personal safety and the safety of the rest of his family, that's entirely a different beast.


He shot into a car that was moving away from him.

Absolutely no justification for that. No matter what Call of Counter-strike 4 tells you
 
2014-02-18 10:57:59 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: Relax everybody, the shooter was also black, so you can go back to not giving a shiat about a black kid getting shot. This isn't another Zimmerman case as much as you and Sharpton and Jackson and Toure' and Piers Morgan were all hoping it was going to be when you clicked on the link.

Save your outrage for when he's convicted, and you can moan and cry about how the "system is racist."

Speaking of which, how dare any of you criticize him now! Don't you know saying anything bad about somebody who's black is automatically racist now?


Does it really bother you when someone thinks you're a racist? If so, why?
 
2014-02-18 11:00:40 PM  
Is there any reason killing the ones who are wrecking someone's vehicle would be wrong? It seems to uphold the social contract.

/difficulty: don't bother answering if you yourself were a vandalizing piece of shiat when you were younger
//double difficulty: research the etymology of the word 'vandal'
///they used to hang horse thieves for a reason
 
2014-02-18 11:01:06 PM  
Jesus Christ, "Willie" and "Adrian"?! Where do they come up with these names??
 
2014-02-18 11:01:34 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.


There is absolutely no meaning left in that word. Might as well have said a Smurfy act.
 
pla
2014-02-18 11:05:44 PM  
Mistake #1:

Always, always, always shoot to kill.  Then they call you a hero for defending your home and family, instead of finding yourself "charged with first-degree murder, five counts of aggravated assault and committing a terroristic act".

Terroristic act.  Wow.  Al Qaeda has won by such a huge margin it hurts.  Congrats, we've given Osama a victory worth dying for.
 
2014-02-18 11:06:45 PM  
MechaPyx:

Yeah but you get a description/license plate number and let the cops deal with it.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA .... HAHAHAHA ... whew ... good one.
 
2014-02-18 11:10:34 PM  

Cpl.D: TwowheelinTim: SuperNinjaToad: The ONLY conceivable out I'll give him is if he somehow shot in the air and the bullet just came down and killed the girl. Even then it's still 50/50.

You did not read the part that described the side of the car riddled with bullet holes? Unless I'm mistaken, a bullet fired up in the air would most likely hit the top of the car if it even hit it at all, which in itself is highly unlikely.

In other words; you know how I know you didn't bother to read the article before you decided to grace us with your poorly thought out comment?

You think posting before reading the article is the exception here on Fark?


Not in the least. I just thought I would use it as an opportunity to point out how weak the comment was.

If it was a troll, I'd give it 2/10 even though I still bit.
 
2014-02-18 11:10:53 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well, I guess at least one of them is scared to death now


Done in two.
 
2014-02-18 11:11:01 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: TuteTibiImperes: No one is trying to make it a racial issue.  It's just a 'dumbass who shouldn't have owned a gun' story.

That's the point. They never are. But they're MADE racial issues by the hucksters and race-baiters who can profit off of sowing division. If Zimmerman was black, we'd have never ever heard of him.

If this moron was white it would be all anybody was talking about for a year. Meanwhile, the far far far far far more common black on white murders are NEVER a "racial issue" even when they unequivocally are.

Funny thing, that.


How many of those 'Black on white' murders end up with the perpetrator caught, then let go with a slap on the wrist?
 
2014-02-18 11:11:26 PM  

Primum non nocere: If Obama had a cousin, he'd look like Willie Noble . . . wait . . .

/ It's_time_to_stop_posting.jpg


you, sir, win all the internets ... everywhere.
 
2014-02-18 11:12:02 PM  
TuteTibiImperes:  He laid in wait for some kids who TPed his car and then shot at them.


How, exactly do you NOT "lay in wait" when the scene of the original crime is your house?  Was he supposed to check into a motel or something?
 
2014-02-18 11:12:03 PM  
That's why I propose a federal law requiring everyone older then 6 to wear an armored vest and combat helmet. Come on people! It's the American way!!!!
 
2014-02-18 11:12:12 PM  

ultraholland: black people fire warning shots like THIS


Is the gun in your hand, which is now palm down? If so, carry on, gangsta.
 
2014-02-18 11:12:13 PM  

hardinparamedic: Secret Master of All Flatulence: OTOH, if the reason he fired his sidearm was because he was concerned about his personal safety and the safety of the rest of his family, that's entirely a different beast.

He shot into a car that was moving away from him.

Absolutely no justification for that. No matter what Call of Counter-strike 4 tells you


If they're shooting back I'll allow it. Give all the jury instructions you want.

That said, clearly they weren't shooting back. They couldn't. This was murder 1.
 
2014-02-18 11:13:02 PM  

morg: Benevolent Misanthrope: In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.

There is absolutely no meaning left in that word. Might as well have said a Smurfy act.


IIRC, the word you are referring to does not mean what you think it means in legal context, and has been in use in the form its being used here for quite some time.  However, IANAL.
 
2014-02-18 11:14:34 PM  
content7.flixster.com

/hot as Nuke
 
2014-02-18 11:16:14 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.


A guy ripped one in a meeting the other day. It was bad, smelly and offensive. I assume He will be charged with a terroristic threat, an act of terrorism, aiding terrorists, or terroristic terrorizing.

In reality he should be reprimanded or slapped and shunned.
 
2014-02-18 11:16:46 PM  

hardinparamedic: Secret Master of All Flatulence: OTOH, if the reason he fired his sidearm was because he was concerned about his personal safety and the safety of the rest of his family, that's entirely a different beast.

He shot into a car that was moving away from him.

Absolutely no justification for that. No matter what Call of Counter-strike 4 tells you


Um, are you sure about that?  After all, I don't think that even the prosecution is contesting that the vehicle was returning to the scene of the original crime when it got shot up.  The vandals left the scene, which was the shooter's house.  The vandals then RETURNED to the shooter's house.  Once they got shot at, they then left the scene. I'm sure that the shooter's defense team will go with the "I didn't know why they were coming back, they'd already broken the law, and I reasonably didn't know what their intent was, except to say that it was probably to commit another crime."
 
2014-02-18 11:16:56 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: TuteTibiImperes:  He laid in wait for some kids who TPed his car and then shot at them.


How, exactly do you NOT "lay in wait" when the scene of the original crime is your house?  Was he supposed to check into a motel or something?


FTFA: "Mr. Noble stated that he waited inside because he knew whoever vandalized his vehicle was going to come back. Mr. Noble stated that once they returned (about 45 minutes later), he fired his handgun to scare them"

Well, he outright admitted that he wasn't just hanging out at his house, he was expecting them to come back, and expecting to shoot.

If I was in fear of my life from someone that I thought would be coming to my house I know I'd call the police to have them sit a car out front, or call the police and then go check in to a hotel for the night, but that's just me.

He was anticipating an altercation, and he got it.
 
2014-02-18 11:17:31 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: LordJiro: How many of those 'Black on white' murders end up with the perpetrator caught, then let go with a slap on the wrist?

About the same number where the white person was beating up or otherwise engaging the black guy in anyway whatsoever before they were killed. Which is to say none of them. Any other questions?


So self-defense is OK for white people, but black people defending themselves against an armed stalker means they deserve to get shot. Got it.
 
2014-02-18 11:18:25 PM  

hardinparamedic: How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


Just the ones trolling you.
 
2014-02-18 11:19:01 PM  

morg: Benevolent Misanthrope: In the news release, police noted that Noble did not call police before or after the shooting.

Before?  Yeah, they would have laughed in his face, if they didn't charge him with tying up the 911 line or some such.

Assuming he actually did what they say he did...

Noble is charged with first-degree murder,

Maybe.

five counts of aggravated assault

Definitely.

and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.

There is absolutely no meaning left in that word. Might as well have said a Smurfy act.


Heh. Smurphy. Yeah, say that ten thousand times aloud, and only then it may have a similar impact as turristic.

Scaredy cats we all are. Running from and shoosting at our own shadows. WTF is it all coming to?

Oh yeah, I laughed quite heartily at you comment. Thanks for that.
 
2014-02-18 11:20:19 PM  
TuteTibiImperes:

FTFA: "Mr. Noble stated that he waited inside because he knew whoever vandalized his vehicle was going to come back. Mr. Noble stated that once they returned (about 45 minutes later), he fired his handgun to scare them"

Well, he outright admitted that he wasn't just hanging out at his house, he was expecting them to come back, and expecting to shoot.

If I was in fear of my life from someone that I thought would be coming to my house I know I'd call the police to have them sit a car out front, or call the police and then go check in to a hotel for the night, but that's just me.

He was anticipating an altercation, and he got it.


You have obviously tried this with positive results .... /sarcasm.
 
2014-02-18 11:21:42 PM  
It's OK, you piece of trash.  They'll just set the electric chair to "annoy".
 
2014-02-18 11:26:04 PM  

bunner: It's OK, you piece of trash.  They'll just set the electric chair to "annoy".


So like this:

www.stepbystep.com
and probation and duder is good?
 
2014-02-18 11:26:13 PM  

proteus_b: damn that racist son of a biatch, anyone who shoots black people is racist and this guy is no exception. it's not possible that he's just a moron, nope, he's definitely a racist!


You sound angry. Maybe you should take a nap or have a fap or be more hap but please don't bust a cap.
 
2014-02-18 11:29:07 PM  

UrinalPooper: Is there any reason killing the ones who are wrecking someone's vehicle would be wrong? It seems to uphold the social contract.

/difficulty: don't bother answering if you yourself were a vandalizing piece of shiat when you were younger
//double difficulty: research the etymology of the word 'vandal'
///they used to hang horse thieves for a reason


This is really funny coming from someone with your handle.
 
2014-02-18 11:29:13 PM  

hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?


None, because Farkers understand warning shots = stupid. Just like we understand that hardinparamedic = stupid not to mention a pathetic little partisan stooge.
 
2014-02-18 11:38:09 PM  
If only a responsible gun owner had been present, this whole ordeal could have been avoided!

/ducks
 
2014-02-18 11:39:15 PM  
Judging by Fark's ability to fairly evaluate a story where guns are involved, I am inclined to believe this guy was 100% innocent and those kids got what was coming to them.
 
2014-02-18 11:39:24 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: Relax everybody, the shooter was also black, so you can go back to not giving a shiat about a black kid getting shot. This isn't another Zimmerman case as much as you and Sharpton and Jackson and Toure' and Piers Morgan were all hoping it was going to be when you clicked on the link.

Save your outrage for when he's convicted, and you can moan and cry about how the "system is racist."

Speaking of which, how dare any of you criticize him now! Don't you know saying anything bad about somebody who's black is automatically racist now?

FREE WILLIE NOW!!!


6/10-

Pros- oaky bouquet of obvious topic, fruity Sharpton reference, and using poor grammar and climatic Free Wllie finish

Cons- olifavtory hints of desperation, watery side of Zimmerman, and greasy notes of butthurt.

Your whine is worth a sale purchase but DIA is a much stronger gun nut troll. Try to age your next one better.
 
2014-02-18 11:45:15 PM  

SCUBA_Archer: Judging by Fark's ability to fairly evaluate a story where guns are involved, I am inclined to believe this guy was 100% innocent and those kids got what was coming to them.


Or alternatively, the kids were 100% innocent in all respects, and the guy hunted them down at the Disneyesque meadow where they were frolicking with the little animals and shot them with a belt-loading 50-cal. machine gun mounted in the bed of his armored vehicle.
 
2014-02-18 11:49:23 PM  

MFAWG: hardinparamedic: Well, the genus just confessed to making a terroristic threat and intent to murder the occupants of the vehicle.

Brilliant.

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

THIS.

How many FARKers will defend this guys action, I wonder?

He and the victims are not of the Caucasian Persuasion, so my guess is zero.


clearlycaneda.files.wordpress.com

There is nothing here to defend. The man did something incredibly stupid and irresponsible, and deserves to be punished for it. End of story. Race has nothing to do with it, no matter how badly you want it to. The man murdered someone, either intentionally or unintentionally (depending on the story), and he will, rightly so, face the consequences of his actions. There is no reasonable or logical defense for his actions, regardless of the color of his skin.

But hey, don't bring anything meaningful to the conversation. Just drop the race card and flee. That's always a winning move.
 
2014-02-18 11:49:28 PM  
The guy had an good idea of where they would be, waited for them, then shot at them?

That sounds like a slam dunk for a 1st degree.
 
2014-02-18 11:51:17 PM  

Lcpl_Dunno: bunner: It's OK, you piece of trash.  They'll just set the electric chair to "annoy".

So like this:

[www.stepbystep.com image 400x400]
and probation and duder is good?


This would work.
i00.i.aliimg.com
 
2014-02-18 11:52:06 PM  

mod3072: There is nothing here to defend. The man did something incredibly stupid and irresponsible, and deserves to be punished for it. End of story. Race has nothing to do with it, no matter how badly you want it to. The man murdered someone, either intentionally or unintentionally (depending on the story), and he will, rightly so, face the consequences of his actions. There is no reasonable or logical defense for his actions, regardless of the color of his skin.

But hey, don't bring anything meaningful to the conversation. Just drop the race card and flee. That's always a winning move.


... and this.

But it's handy when they do it so I can make a mental note of who all the farktards are.
 
2014-02-18 11:53:08 PM  

bunner: Lcpl_Dunno: bunner: It's OK, you piece of trash.  They'll just set the electric chair to "annoy".

So like this:

[www.stepbystep.com image 400x400]
and probation and duder is good?

This would work.
[i00.i.aliimg.com image 600x473]


If I were a betting man, I'd wager that they're trying to scare him with as many charges as they can (not that they're not justified) but will let him plea down to 2nd degree murder and have a chance at parole down the road if he takes it.
 
2014-02-18 11:55:58 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: If I were a betting man, I'd wager that they're trying to scare him with as many charges as they can (not that they're not justified) but will let him plea down to 2nd degree murder and have a chance at parole down the road if he takes it.


Which is just one more reason, along with homicidal cops and billionaire thief banksters, to lift our collective legs and piss on our broken justice system.
 
2014-02-18 11:59:58 PM  

DigitalCoffee: "Mr. Noble stated that he waited inside because he knew whoever vandalized his vehicle was going to come back. Mr. Noble stated that once they returned (about 45 minutes later), he fired his handgun to scare them," according to the statement released by police Tuesday.

He lay in wait with a loaded weapon and then fired at them upon their return. THAT is premeditation. He's going to end up having to narfle the garthunk on this one.


Is that anything like com-shuck with the Groosalugg?
 
2014-02-19 12:02:28 AM  

ElLoco: The guy had an good idea of where they would be, waited for them, then shot at them?

That sounds like a slam dunk for a 1st degree.


His own house appearently.


I'm begining to see his side of the story.
 
2014-02-19 12:05:38 AM  

bunner: TuteTibiImperes: If I were a betting man, I'd wager that they're trying to scare him with as many charges as they can (not that they're not justified) but will let him plea down to 2nd degree murder and have a chance at parole down the road if he takes it.

Which is just one more reason, along with homicidal cops and billionaire thief banksters, to lift our collective legs and piss on our broken justice system.


This...

is why you're a favorite.
 
2014-02-19 12:08:55 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: bunner: Lcpl_Dunno: bunner: It's OK, you piece of trash.  They'll just set the electric chair to "annoy".

So like this:

[www.stepbystep.com image 400x400]
and probation and duder is good?

This would work.
[i00.i.aliimg.com image 600x473]

If I were a betting man, I'd wager that they're trying to scare him with as many charges as they can (not that they're not justified) but will let him plea down to 2nd degree murder and have a chance at parole down the road if he takes it.


s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-02-19 12:15:59 AM  
Wonder if Gregg Jarrett will defend the shooter as in the Michael Dunn case.
 
2014-02-19 12:31:24 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Benevolent Misanthrope: By that definition, M. Night Shyamalan should be in prison for farking life.

Well, I was being bit sarcastic, but technically speaking...

/Shyamalan? Scary?
//Personally I think he'd have lifetime immunity from prosecution


I can't ever speak bad of Shyamalan... my sister worked on Unbreakable and Signs before she moved to the west coast and those movies went a long way to getting her into the DGA.

fun fact: My niece was a body double for the little girl in Signs. In the scene early in the movie when Mel Gibsonn and Juaquin Phoenix are walking through the corn to see the first crop circle 'sign'... Juaquin is holding the little girl (my niece) as they break into the crop circle and the girls face is burried in his shoulder, obscured from the camera, and she turns her head briefly, showing barely a profile as Juaquin puts his hand to her head and push her back to his shoulder... that's my niece!
 
2014-02-19 12:40:16 AM  

Lcpl_Dunno: MechaPyx:

Yeah but you get a description/license plate number and let the cops deal with it.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA .... HAHAHAHA ... whew ... good one.


They're kids TP'ing your stuff(in a middle class neighborhood).

What would you suggest? Going all Rambo on them like this guy did?
 
2014-02-19 12:50:24 AM  

theknuckler_33: fun fact: My niece was a body double for the little girl in Signs. In the scene early in the movie when Mel Gibsonn and Juaquin Phoenix are walking through the corn to see the first crop circle 'sign'... Juaquin is holding the little girl (my niece) as they break into the crop circle and the girls face is burried in his shoulder, obscured from the camera, and she turns her head briefly, showing barely a profile as Juaquin puts his hand to her head and push her back to his shoulder... that's my niece!


Thank you for putting context to my masturbations.
 
2014-02-19 12:54:42 AM  
Oh, so you should go to jail, asshole? Great to hear you agree.

/DO NOT POINT THE GUN AT ANYTHING YOU DO NOT INTEND TO DESTROY
 
2014-02-19 12:59:25 AM  
Repeat after me, kids.

Never point a gun at something your are not prepared to kill.
 
2014-02-19 01:19:44 AM  
Has anyone mentioned yet that warning shots are bullshiat? Because I think that bears repeating.

/don't take the gun out of its holster if you aren't going to use it
//don't put your finger on the trigger unless you're going to shoot
///don't shoot at anyone for any reason other than to kill them
 
2014-02-19 01:24:12 AM  

CommonName2: Also, how could he try to scare them (the terrorism part) AND plan to kill them? Isn't that an "either-or" situation?


So you're saying that if a terrorist sets off a bomb and the bomb kills people, it isn't terrorism because he killed them instead of just scaring them?


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
/farking logic.  How does it work?
 
2014-02-19 01:36:39 AM  

AirForceVet: As a former kid who egged some houses, killing the eggers isn't the answer. Just catch them and get them to clean up the house.


One of my dad's sailing buddies was a high school principal, a Mormon with a scad of teenage kids in varsity sports, he has a number of stories. I suppose it's good he's safely retired.

\Ah got eggs too.
\\And the hose.
\\\Piss me off I'll call your parents at 3am
 
2014-02-19 01:38:04 AM  
He was fully within his constitutional right to defend himself. Non-story.
 
2014-02-19 01:51:53 AM  

MechaPyx: Lcpl_Dunno: MechaPyx:

Yeah but you get a description/license plate number and let the cops deal with it.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA .... HAHAHAHA ... whew ... good one.

They're kids TP'ing your stuff(in a middle class neighborhood).

What would you suggest? Going all Rambo on them like this guy did?


As an alternate to what you suggested the first time can I suggest:

kinialohaguy.files.wordpress.com

At least this way there will be actual effects at the end that aren't written on paper and ignored.
 
2014-02-19 01:53:50 AM  
Charged with murder = black people's problems.


If we were driving a BMW, white, and on his way to the gym in 26 minutes.....
 
2014-02-19 01:54:00 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.


Yup.
 
2014-02-19 02:02:21 AM  

Carousel Beast: None, because Farkers understand warning shots = stupid. Just like we understand that hardinparamedic = stupid not to mention a pathetic little partisan stooge.


Coming from you, that's an ironic and sad comment.
 
2014-02-19 02:04:01 AM  
He should have just said that they were playing load music and he thought they were pulling a gun. No wait, he's black, so won't get away with that.
 
2014-02-19 02:09:07 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.


They weren't even proper warning shots, there not being any reasonable threat to life/limb.  Though, assuming he actually got the right kids who were doing the vandalism, I wonder what the survivors think about the consequences of their 'harmless fun'.

Oh_Enough_Already: If Zimmerman was black, we'd have never ever heard of him.


For that matter, if he looked 'Mexican' we'd have never heard of him either.
 
2014-02-19 02:12:34 AM  

Lcpl_Dunno: At least this way there will be actual effects at the end that aren't written on paper and ignored.


Yeah. One man is going to jail for the rest of his life, and another person is dead.

Oh, those rascals sure learned their lesson this time!

www.troll.me
 
2014-02-19 02:20:24 AM  

JuggleGeek: CommonName2: Also, how could he try to scare them (the terrorism part) AND plan to kill them? Isn't that an "either-or" situation?

So you're saying that if a terrorist sets off a bomb and the bomb kills people, it isn't terrorism because he killed them instead of just scaring them?

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 200x206]
/farking logic.  How does it work?



Apparently that logic thing isn't working for you.  Terrorism is roughly defined as 'committing violent acts with the goal of enacting political change by it'.

Scenario 1:  I set off a bomb to kill my wife and her lover; NOT terrorism, just plain old murder
Scenario 2:  I set off a bomb to kill a governor who supports policy X which I absolutely hate, with the goal of intimidating others to not vote/support policy X either. This would be terrorism AND murder.  I don't need to rigidly define the people I'm tryng to intimidate.

Given that this guy's hoped policy change was along the lines of 'don't vandalize my property anymore', I prefer to not water down the terrorism charge by applying it to him.  Save it for 'actual' terrorists that are committing crimes/violent acts because they want to be in charge of the government.
 
2014-02-19 02:24:19 AM  

Firethorn: Terrorism is roughly defined as 'committing violent acts with the goal of enacting political change by it'.


Wow.

That's incredibly pedantic.

img.fark.net

The use of the word terrorism in legal text is a little different than the use of the word in colloquial conversation. Who'da thunk it.
 
2014-02-19 02:27:44 AM  

hardinparamedic: Lcpl_Dunno: At least this way there will be actual effects at the end that aren't written on paper and ignored.

Yeah. One man is going to jail for the rest of his life, and another person is dead.

Oh, those rascals sure learned their lesson this time!

[www.troll.me image 551x574]


You have ... no idea what the hell you're talking about do you? I said reporting this to the police was stupid. That idiot suggested that the only other method of resolving the issue was going on a shooting spree. I suggested that beating ones head against the wall was better than reporting it to the police because at least beating your head against the wall does something.

By anyone's calculations ... you're an idiot.
 
2014-02-19 02:42:50 AM  

taurusowner: Every responsible gun owner should know that you only shoot to stop an immediate threat*.

*State law determining whether that threat includes threat to others, includes sexual assault,

black kids playing loud music, etc.
 
2014-02-19 02:46:15 AM  
I want the kids charged to the fullest extent too.
 
2014-02-19 02:46:38 AM  

Lcpl_Dunno: hardinparamedic: Lcpl_Dunno: At least this way there will be actual effects at the end that aren't written on paper and ignored.

Yeah. One man is going to jail for the rest of his life, and another person is dead.

Oh, those rascals sure learned their lesson this time!

[www.troll.me image 551x574]

You have ... no idea what the hell you're talking about do you? I said reporting this to the police was stupid. That idiot suggested that the only other method of resolving the issue was going on a shooting spree. I suggested that beating ones head against the wall was better than reporting it to the police because at least beating your head against the wall does something.

By anyone's calculations ... you're an idiot.



What part of reporting vandalism and trespassing to the police is stupid? Last time I checked those things were against the law and it's the police's job to check into such things. Sure, in this case it's kids playing a prank but it's still vandalism. Eggs can destroy the paint job on a car. By reporting it you're at least creating a history of events that could prove useful later and who knows, maybe some bored cop cruising around happens to spot the vehicle you reported and stops them.

Yeah, sometimes cops can be absolutely useless but what's the alternative here?
 
2014-02-19 03:01:06 AM  

LordJiro: Oh_Enough_Already: TuteTibiImperes: No one is trying to make it a racial issue.  It's just a 'dumbass who shouldn't have owned a gun' story.

That's the point. They never are. But they're MADE racial issues by the hucksters and race-baiters who can profit off of sowing division. If Zimmerman was black, we'd have never ever heard of him.

If this moron was white it would be all anybody was talking about for a year. Meanwhile, the far far far far far more common black on white murders are NEVER a "racial issue" even when they unequivocally are.

Funny thing, that.

How many of those 'Black on white' murders end up with the perpetrator caught, then let go with a slap on the wrist?


It's a silly discussion. Interracial murder is quite rare, and for that reason, often headline-fuel.
The reality in America is that blacks murder blacks, whites murder whites, latinos murder latinos. That's the vast statistical preponderance.
In fact, in the vanishingly unlikely event that any Farker reading this is murdered, the odds are overwhelming that your killer will be someone known to you.
 
2014-02-19 03:30:31 AM  

UrinalPooper: Is there any reason killing the ones who are wrecking someone's vehicle would be wrong?


Pretty sure you're a troll, but is there any reason why it would be RIGHT?

Eggs, mayo, and toilet paper.  Oh noes.  At the absolute worst it would necessitate getting the car repainted; if he knows who the kids are, he can go to court to have their families cover the cost of the repainting.

No reasonable person would consider it grounds for murder.
 
2014-02-19 03:32:56 AM  

hardinparamedic: The use of the word terrorism in legal text is a little different than the use of the word in colloquial conversation. Who'da thunk it.


Oh, I understand that.  I stand by my opinion that the charge should be reserved for *serious* terrorists, because I see the threat levels as being different.

hardinparamedic: That's incredibly pedantic.


Looks pretty close for a definition I wrote off the top of my head.  What's so pedantic about it?

I insist on the difference so much because I don't like the idea of 'legal' language differing from 'plain' language too much.  I acknowledge that it does differ, but I think they need to be reigned in.
 
2014-02-19 03:35:31 AM  

jso2897: In fact, in the vanishingly unlikely event that any Farker reading this is murdered, the odds are overwhelming that your killer will be someone known to you.


And roughly the same skin color as well.

Of course, the fact that you're most likely to be murdered by 'family' helps with this little statistic...
 
2014-02-19 03:50:01 AM  
JUICY STORY DAWG
 
2014-02-19 03:50:07 AM  

Lcpl_Dunno: You have ... no idea what the hell you're talking about do you? I said reporting this to the police was stupid. That idiot suggested that the only other method of resolving the issue was going on a shooting spree. I suggested that beating ones head against the wall was better than reporting it to the police because at least beating your head against the wall does something.


Really? Because based on your post, it looks like you're trying to make excuses for a teenager getting shot over throwing something that could have been washed off by a water hose.
 
2014-02-19 03:52:13 AM  
Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'
 
2014-02-19 03:58:14 AM  

Oh_Enough_Already: That's the point. They never are. But they're MADE racial issues by the hucksters and race-baiters who can profit off of sowing division. If Zimmerman was black, we'd have never ever heard of him.

Meanwhile, the far far far far far more common black on white murders are NEVER a "racial issue" even when they unequivocally are.



Your confusion is arising from the fact that you're completely missing the actual point.

In both the Zimmerman case and the more recent Jordan Davis murder, the racial aspect of the case has virtually nothing to do with whether Zimmerman or Dunn themselves were blatantly racist or whether their murders were racially motivated, and everything to do with the fact that we are codifying their racial bias into the actual law.

Both Zimmerman and Dunn shot unarmed black kids because they felt "threatened" and were not convicted of their murders because the jury found it reasonable that they felt threatened.  In stand-your-ground cases, like the Zimmerman case you talk about, it is overwhelmingly the case that white people who shoot black people are unlikely to be convicted, while black people who shoot whites WILL be.  In other words, the courts have taken Dunn's feelings of racial bias that cause him to feel threatened by a black kid playing loud music and elevated it to a legitimate legal defense while the reverse situation is not considered legitimate.

THAT is why those cases get so much attention.  Not because Zimmerman is racist, but because the LAW is.
 
2014-02-19 04:13:34 AM  

Gawdzila: THAT is why those cases get so much attention. Not because Zimmerman is racist, but because the LAW is.


DING DING DING.
 
2014-02-19 04:46:26 AM  

Gawdzila: In stand-your-ground cases, like the Zimmerman case...


Ummm... fail.
 
2014-02-19 05:30:22 AM  

MechaPyx: Lcpl_Dunno: MechaPyx:

Yeah but you get a description/license plate number and let the cops deal with it.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA .... HAHAHAHA ... whew ... good one.

They're kids TP'ing your stuff(in a middle class neighborhood).

What would you suggest? Going all Rambo on them like this guy did?


What's the likelihood of them repeating the offence after going Rambo? Mission accomplished.
 
2014-02-19 05:40:41 AM  

Gawdzila: Both Zimmerman and Dunn shot unarmed black kids because they felt "threatened" and were not convicted of their murders because the jury found it reasonable that they felt threatened.  In stand-your-ground cases, like the Zimmerman case you talk about, it is overwhelmingly the case that white people who shoot black people are unlikely to be convicted, while black people who shoot whites WILL be.  In other words, the courts have taken Dunn's feelings of racial bias that cause him to feel threatened by a black kid playing loud music and elevated it to a legitimate legal defense while the reverse situation is not considered legitimate.


I don't mean to harsh the roll you're on, but neither case found that.
 
2014-02-19 05:46:27 AM  

taurusowner: Voiceofreason01: Which is EXACTLY why firing warning shots is a felony.

This.

If that's what really happened, this guy deserves to go to prison for a very long time. Every responsible gun owner should know that you only shoot to stop an immediate threat*. If you cannot grasp this concept, you need to sell all of your firearms ASAP.

*State law determining whether that threat includes threat to others, includes sexual assault, etc.


This may be a shock, but not every gun owner is responsible.  Especially because being responsible is not a requirement for owning a gun.  (there are virtually no requirements, the NRA makes sure of that!)
 
2014-02-19 05:57:49 AM  

Penman: He was fully within his constitutional right to defend himself. Non-story.


How was he defending himself?  He was judge, jury, and executioner on some kids that he "suspected" might have egged his car.  It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't have the kids who were actually guilty of egging his car.  If the people in this car were actually shooting at him, then you would be correct (about defending himself).  Otherwise, you just like to defend anybody who apparently shoots at anybody else.  Cause why?  You're an NRA supporter?  By this statement alone, I'd ban you (for life) from having a gun (if only I had the power).
 
2014-02-19 06:40:16 AM  

bluenovaman: In cases like this I'm OK with the death penalty.


Seriously, just say what you mean.
 
2014-02-19 06:58:31 AM  

CK2005: bluenovaman: In cases like this I'm OK with the death penalty.

Seriously, just say what you mean.


While I can appreciate your lame attempt at correcting me, you are wrong.
There are cases here in Texas where governor good hair has had innocent people executed and that is very wrong. I can only assume that the convictions were based on circumstancial evidence, where this case is pretty cut and dried as to who did what.
 
2014-02-19 07:01:07 AM  
Has Sharpton staged a demonstration yet?
 
2014-02-19 07:01:53 AM  

bluenovaman: CK2005: bluenovaman: In cases like this I'm OK with the death penalty.

Seriously, just say what you mean.

While I can appreciate your lame attempt at correcting me, you are wrong.
There are cases here in Texas where governor good hair has had innocent people executed and that is very wrong. I can only assume that the convictions were based on circumstancial evidence, where this case is pretty cut and dried as to who did what.


Sorry for the snark, I was just trying to say you're either for the death penalty or against it.  If you say "I'm against the death penalty UNLESS..." then you are for the death penalty.
 
2014-02-19 07:03:19 AM  
Then again you were applying it to this one particular case and didn't make a blanket statement about your views on the death penalty and I probably need to go to bed.
 
2014-02-19 07:03:47 AM  

Lcpl_Dunno: hardinparamedic: Lcpl_Dunno: At least this way there will be actual effects at the end that aren't written on paper and ignored.

Yeah. One man is going to jail for the rest of his life, and another person is dead.

Oh, those rascals sure learned their lesson this time!

[www.troll.me image 551x574]

You have ... no idea what the hell you're talking about do you? I said reporting this to the police was stupid. That idiot suggested that the only other method of resolving the issue was going on a shooting spree. I suggested that beating ones head against the wall was better than reporting it to the police because at least beating your head against the wall does something.

By anyone's calculations ... you're an idiot.


Why would reporting it to the police be stupid?  He calls the police, they send someone over to document the damage and take his statement, and maybe the kids coming back see the police car out front and decide to just keep on going.  He tells the police he expects they're coming back, maybe the police set up a car out front to keep an eye out.  Maybe they have a squad car patrol the neighborhood looking for the people who did it.  If he had a good idea of who it was then maybe the police go knock on some doors and get the parents of the kids involved, cell phones get called and the kids get brought home.

There are a lot of situations where calling the police would have helped.
 
2014-02-19 07:06:54 AM  

fusillade762: MaudlinMutantMollusk: and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.

Well, isn't terrorism by definition trying to scare someone?

Terrorism used to require a political component. These days everything is terrorism.


Actually a lot if states have older laws where 'terroristic act' means stuff like shooting up buildings. Stuff designed to cause damage and intimidate.
 
2014-02-19 07:12:25 AM  

liam76: fusillade762: MaudlinMutantMollusk: and committing a terroristic act.

Oh for Fark's sake.

Well, isn't terrorism by definition trying to scare someone?

Terrorism used to require a political component. These days everything is terrorism.

Actually a lot if states have older laws where 'terroristic act' means stuff like shooting up buildings. Stuff designed to cause damage and intimidate.


Georgia has a terroristic threats statute, usually people threatening to kill each other. The commonplace nature of political terrorism is newer than the idea of being terrorized.
 
2014-02-19 07:15:02 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: He should have just said that they were playing load music and he thought they were pulling a gun. No wait, he's black, so won't get away with that.


You do realize Dunn didn't either, right?
 
2014-02-19 07:19:43 AM  

CK2005: Then again you were applying it to this one particular case and didn't make a blanket statement about your views on the death penalty and I probably need to go to bed.


I'm against it in most cases. But when a case like this and Dunn where we are 100% certain of who did what to whom and it is particularly egregious, I say hang them and be done.
/I know Dunn is different, just an example.
 
2014-02-19 07:21:41 AM  
"In this photo provided by the Pulaski County, Ark., Sheriff is of Willie Noble, 48, of Little Rock, who is charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death a 15-year-old girl."

Are all his bases belong to Willie Noble?
 
2014-02-19 07:45:37 AM  
Pretty typical gun owner.
 
2014-02-19 07:55:56 AM  

Penman: He was fully within his constitutional right to defend himself. Non-story.


Yeah. The problem with your claim: Arkansas' self-defense law clearly states that the use of deadly force by a lawful gun owner is only justified when there is a clear and immediate threat to the life of the gun owner, or to those immediately around him.

By the man's own admission, this did not happen. He waited inside of his house with a gun, with clear intent of what he was about to do (pre-meditation and homicidal intent), and when he saw the car drive by again, he fired upon the vehicle (Which alone is a no-sell in a self-defense claim. No weapon, and no one was even out of the vehicle? Yeah. Right. He was "afraid".) The vehicle sped off, and rather than call police, he dicked around until they came knocking to arrest him.
 
2014-02-19 08:22:27 AM  
media2.s-nbcnews.com

"Good job!"
 
2014-02-19 08:25:46 AM  
static2.wikia.nocookie.net
"You said you were just gonna scare the teenagers."

houseofgeekery.files.wordpress.com
"They looked pretty scared to me!"
 
2014-02-19 08:58:17 AM  
No racism angle?!? DAMMIT!!!

/well who cares then
 
2014-02-19 09:26:49 AM  

Oh_Enough_Already: We're not even allowed to talk about black on white crimes because that, too, would be racist, whereas ANY crime with a black victim and a white perpetrator is immediately presumed to be race-based and that fact is trumpeted from the hilltops ad nauseum to reinfoce that narrative.


The lady doth protest too much.
 
2014-02-19 09:51:24 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: He should have just said that they were playing load music and he thought they were pulling a gun. No wait, he's black, so won't get away with that.


The white guy who used that same stupid argument has been found guilty of three counts of attempted murder.  He is going to be sentenced to at least 20 years in prison, and quite possibly 60 years.

Despite your implication, I don't think he got away with that.

Firethorn: Apparently that logic thing isn't working for you.  Terrorism is roughly defined as 'committing violent acts with the goal of enacting political change by it'.


I understand what you're saying and I agree with it.  However, that's a completely unrelated argument.  The guy I had responded to was claiming that if you actually kill people, it isn't terrorism, that the two are mutually exclusive.  That's a very stupid argument.
 
2014-02-19 10:02:17 AM  

pla: Mistake #1:

Always, always, always shoot to kill.  Then they call you a hero for defending your home and family, instead of finding yourself "charged with first-degree murder, five counts of aggravated assault and committing a terroristic act".

Terroristic act.  Wow.  Al Qaeda has won by such a huge margin it hurts.  Congrats, we've given Osama a victory worth dying for.


Well... You just lost the responsible gun owner title and joined the mall ninja list.

You don't shoot at a car from your porch. There is no defensible reason to do so. Absolutely none. This was not a case of self defense.

And as a CCW holder, you shoot to neutralize the threat. Nothing more or less. And you have a responsibility to be level headed, and not a pants pissing coward.

Your jailhouse lawyering is going to get someone killed.
 
2014-02-19 10:34:32 AM  

AirForceVet: As a former kid who egged some houses, killing the eggers isn't the answer. Just catch them and get them to clean up the house.


Yes, because who wouldn't want to get charged with kidnapping and false imprisonment?
 
2014-02-19 10:54:08 AM  
Gawdzila:
Both Zimmerman and Dunn shot unarmed black kids because they felt "threatened" and were not convicted of their murders because the jury found it reasonable that they felt threatened.

Knocking you to the ground and bashing your head into concrete tends to make most people feel "threatened".  Perhaps in your fairytale land this kind of behavior is condoned.
 
2014-02-19 11:02:48 AM  

hardinparamedic: Penman: He was fully within his constitutional right to defend himself. Non-story.

Yeah. The problem with your claim: Arkansas' self-defense law clearly states that the use of deadly force by a lawful gun owner is only justified when there is a clear and immediate threat to the life of the gun owner, or to those immediately around him.

By the man's own admission, this did not happen. He waited inside of his house with a gun, with clear intent of what he was about to do (pre-meditation and homicidal intent), and when he saw the car drive by again, he fired upon the vehicle (Which alone is a no-sell in a self-defense claim. No weapon, and no one was even out of the vehicle? Yeah. Right. He was "afraid".) The vehicle sped off, and rather than call police, he dicked around until they came knocking to arrest him.


State law does not trump the Constitution. End of story.
 
2014-02-19 12:11:20 PM  

doubled99: No racism angle?!? DAMMIT!!!


Sure about that?
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-19 12:40:08 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: If I were a betting man, I'd wager that they're trying to scare him with as many charges as they can (not that they're not justified) but will let him plea down to 2nd degree murder and have a chance at parole down the road if he takes it.


So... they fired a judicial "warning shot" at him? Too bad it wasn't fatal.
 
2014-02-19 01:33:37 PM  

Penman: State law does not trump the Constitution. End of story.


Oh, you're right . I totally forgot the 43rd amendment which legalized premeditated homicide. It's right after the one that gives the gays the constitutional right to force Christians into concentration camps.
 
2014-02-19 02:46:41 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: hardinparamedic: Secret Master of All Flatulence: OTOH, if the reason he fired his sidearm was because he was concerned about his personal safety and the safety of the rest of his family, that's entirely a different beast.

He shot into a car that was moving away from him.

Absolutely no justification for that. No matter what Call of Counter-strike 4 tells you

Um, are you sure about that?  After all, I don't think that even the prosecution is contesting that the vehicle was returning to the scene of the original crime when it got shot up.  The

alleged vandals left the scene, which was the shooter's house.  The alleged vandals then RETURNED to the shooter's house.  Once they got shot at, they then left the scene. I'm sure that the shooter's defense team will go with the "I didn't know why they were coming back, I believed they'd already broken the law, and I reasonably didn't know what their intent was, except to say that it was probably to commit another crime in my opinion."

Note the words I added and bolded. It's not this moron's job to assume the roles of judge, jury and in this case, executioner. No one deserves death for a property crime, especially when no one knows for sure who did it.
 
2014-02-19 04:17:24 PM  
claims he was "firing to scare"

Hi, meet your cellmate, Bubba.  He's not firing to scare.
 
2014-02-19 05:06:55 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: The ONLY conceivable out I'll give him is if he somehow shot in the air and the bullet just came down and killed the girl. Even then it's still 50/50 a felony.


FTFY

DigitalCoffee: "Mr. Noble stated that he waited inside because he knew whoever vandalized his vehicle was going to come back. Mr. Noble stated that once they returned (about 45 minutes later), he fired his handgun to scare them," according to the statement released by police Tuesday.


He lay in wait with a loaded weapon and then fired at them upon their return. THAT is premeditation. He's going to end up having to narfle the garthunk on this one.


Unquestionably premeditation.  45 minutes was plenty of time to involve the cops.  When the car returned they could have arrested them.
 
2014-02-19 05:28:04 PM  

Gawdzila: Your confusion is arising from the fact that you're completely missing the actual point.

In both the Zimmerman case and the more recent Jordan Davis murder, the racial aspect of the case has virtually nothing to do with whether Zimmerman or Dunn themselves were blatantly racist or whether their murders were racially motivated, and everything to do with the fact that we are codifying their racial bias into the actual law(1).

Both Zimmerman and Dunn shot unarmed black kids because they felt "threatened" and were not convicted of their murders because the jury found it reasonable that they felt threatened.  In stand-your-ground cases, like the Zimmerman case(2) you talk about, it is overwhelmingly the case that white people who shoot black people are unlikely to be convicted, while black people who shoot whites WILL be.  In other words, the courts have taken Dunn's feelings of racial bias that cause him to feel threatened by a black kid playing loud music and elevated it to a legitimate legal defense(3) while the reverse situation is not considered legitimate.

THAT is why those cases get so much attention.  Not because Zimmerman is racist, but because the LAW is.



(1)Citation needed on the codifying of racial bias.  What law are you speaking of?

(2)Stand Your Ground was never raised in the Zimmerman case, except in the press.  It was a straight up self defense case.

(3)Are saying that Dunn's actual defense was that he was afraid because they were black?  I never heard that put forth at the trial, do you have a citation for that claim?  All I heard was that he claimed to have seen a mythical shotgun pointed at him.
 
2014-02-19 08:25:34 PM  

Callous: (1)Citation needed on the codifying of racial bias. What law are you speaking of?


Stand Your Ground in particular, but also justifiable homicides in general.

www-tc.pbs.org

These statistics come from FBI data collected between 2000-2009 on single-victim-single-shooter homicides (about 5,000 total cases).  The baseline (0%) is white-on-white homicides.  Black-on-white murders are found justifiable 75% less often, while white-on-black murders are found justifiable well over twice as often.  This implies that the perceived reasonableness of a self-defense justification is tied to the races of the victim and shooter.


Callous: (2)Stand Your Ground was never raised in the Zimmerman case, except in the press. It was a straight up self defense case.


You're right, my mistake.  That is irrelevant for the purposes of the point I'm making, however.


Callous: (3)Are saying that Dunn's actual defense was that he was afraid because they were black?


No, of course no one would ever make that defense, nor would it even probably be allowed in court.
I'm saying that his defense -- that he felt he was in imminent danger -- was deemed reasonable only because Davis was black.  Considering that all Dunn's testimony about why he felt threatened was either not corroborated or directly contradicted, I'm not sure what other conclusion there is to come to.  What this means is that we have effectively codified racial bias as a reasonable defense in a justifiable homicide trial; Davis was black, ipso facto Dunn was justified in feeling that he was in danger.  There was effectively no other evidence in his favor in the trial.
 
2014-02-19 09:34:30 PM  
Gawdzila: Callous: (1)Citation needed on the codifying of racial bias. What law are you speaking of?

Stand Your Ground in particular, but also justifiable homicides in general.

[www-tc.pbs.org image 500x414]

These statistics come from FBI data collected between 2000-2009 on single-victim-single-shooter homicides (about 5,000 total cases).  The baseline (0%) is white-on-white homicides.  Black-on-white murders are found justifiable 75% less often, while white-on-black murders are found justifiable well over twice as often.  This implies that the perceived reasonableness of a self-defense justification is tied to the races of the victim and shooter.

Regardless of actual outcomes, it's not codified in law as you claimed.

Callous: (2)Stand Your Ground was never raised in the Zimmerman case, except in the press. It was a straight up self defense case.

You're right, my mistake.  That is irrelevant for the purposes of the point I'm making, however.


Callous: (3)Are saying that Dunn's actual defense was that he was afraid because they were black?

No, of course no one would ever make that defense, nor would it even probably be allowed in court.
I'm saying that his defense -- that he felt he was in imminent danger -- was deemed reasonable only because Davis was black.  Considering that all Dunn's testimony about why he felt threatened was either not corroborated or directly contradicted, I'm not sure what other conclusion there is to come to.  What this means is that we have effectively codified racial bias as a reasonable defense in a justifiable homicide trial; Davis was black, ipso facto Dunn was justified in feeling that he was in danger.  There was effectively no other evidence in his favor in the trial.


His defense made no mention or inference to race that I have seen.  His whole defense revolves around his claim to have seen a shotgun pointed at him.  One that was never located.  He can present any defense he wants, regardless of whether it's reasonable or not.  The jury is just going to reject it or it won't fit the criteria of a justifiable reason.

And you are talking like he was acquitted.  He wasn't, he was convicted on 3 counts of attempted murder(20 years each), one count of shooting or throwing a deadly missile(15 years) and will be retried on the murder 1 count.  And I suspect he will be convicted on that one as well unless his lawyers can come up with a shotgun and link it to the event in question.  So a 47 year old guy is already facing 75 years in prison and they haven't even settled the murder charge yet.  Dude is gonna spend the rest of his life in the grey bar hotel.  He didn't get away with shiat here.

How can you say that the kid's race implied reasonableness when the dude is going to prison for the rest of his life?
 
2014-02-19 10:12:18 PM  

Vector R: mooseyfate: Beeblebrox: You don't fark with another man's ride.

They were leaves. If wind can solve the problem, Maybe gunplay isn't the right option.

It appears there's an update buried in TFA:

Police said Willie Noble, 48, shot at the carload of teenagers after he found eggs, mayonnaise and toilet paper covering his car Friday night.

I can understand getting that pissed off when I get outside, getting all set to go to work, and my car is covered in that shiat. Especially the mayo.


Nah, it's doubtful they'll do anything. It sounds like the little farkers did the damage, then left and came back. Sounds like a good time for some caltrops.
 
2014-02-19 11:21:33 PM  
Look on the bright side: No teenage vandalism is going to happen in that town for a long, long time, now.
 
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