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2014-02-18 04:40:06 PM  
4 votes:

m1ke: Isn't it "The" Ukraine?


http://www.businessinsider.com/why-ukraine-isnt-the-ukraine-and-why- th at-matters-now-2013-12

If you're Russian, yes.
If you're Ukrainian, no.

When you use the definite article, it essentially means "The borderlands". When you don't, it means something more akin to "the principality". To Russians, it's a borderland. To Ukrainians, it's a principality.
2014-02-18 03:26:25 PM  
4 votes:

rcf1105: Didn't Ukraine have a revolution about 10 years ago?

I wonder what happened in the meantime.


Shenanigans. Lots and lots of shenanigans. The current revolutionaries are on the same side as the previous revolutionaries; there was an elected change of power in 2010 to the pre-revolutionary ruling faction because the revolutionaries weren't able to quickly fix the results of 70 years of Soviet oppression and more than a decade of post-Soviet corruption. The current rulers are just as pro-Soviet and corrupt as they were before the 2004 revolution, hence the current re-ignition of said revolution. It doesn't help that they tried the opposition leader for corruption and imprisoned her.

It's not just good guys vs. bad guys; there's a big ethnic divide in Ukraine between ethnic Russians descended from people relocated there by Stalin, and ethnic Ukrainians. The Russian-speakers who tend to support the government are more pro-Russia, obviously, while the more revolution-favoring Ukrainian-speakers (it's a dialect very close to Russian) are more pro-EU and want to join NATO. And there's a bunch of other politics involved in forming the two sides. Suffice to say, the current government was elected in 2010 with a plurality, in a relatively fair vote, but the opposition thinks they've abused their mandate to the point where waiting until the 2015 elections is not an option.

You should read up on what all went on. There was dioxin poisoning of the opposition coalition leader and former President, for instance.
2014-02-18 02:36:11 PM  
4 votes:
Not a repeat from 1510?
www.washingtonpost.com
rolfgross.dreamhosters.com
2014-02-18 02:33:45 PM  
4 votes:
Great country, wonderful people, horrible mafia-esque government. Too bad superheroes aren't real, those people could use one.

Fark primer: Any country where a liter of Coca-Cola costs $4 but a liter bottle of locally brewed beer costs $.90 has their priorities straight.

Slava Ukraina!
2014-02-19 01:04:18 AM  
3 votes:

flexflint: 5 min. video: that's not riot-police, those are thugs: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/43961847/highlight/468294


At 3:20 a babushka bravely puts herself between the protestor and the police. So there's at least one moment of humanity
2014-02-18 04:08:21 PM  
3 votes:

rkiller1: 2headedboy: FREE healthcare

"Free" as in nobody is paying for it, or "free" that somebody else is footing the bill, just not you?


How about neither of the two options you listed?
2014-02-18 02:44:41 PM  
3 votes:

CheetahOlivetti: ... why is there a laser light show?

img.fark.net
I thought I recognized that pyramid on the left...

thissongissick.com
Obviously, this is the first leg of Daft Punk's new tour.
2014-02-19 08:48:18 AM  
2 votes:
Reports that Lviv has declared independence.
2014-02-19 03:21:11 AM  
2 votes:
I hope I don't get banned for this...

img.fark.net
2014-02-19 02:40:20 AM  
2 votes:

Kittypie070: 0635 GMT: Our small staff has now been working for nearly 19 straight hours, so it is time to get some rest for a few hours. Updates will resume later in the morning.

Until then, activists in Maidan have made this video, a kind of testimony of who they are, what they want, and what they are up against:


I Am a Ukrainian


That. THAT, is what they need. International recognition. Texts in English, writing in English, or any other language spoken in large parts of the world. Hashtags and Facebook pages and emotional videos that make the room dusty.
There's a few things you can fault the protesters, but one important thing is that they seem to have started their PR campaign pretty late. The Egyptians for example even had people come in to advise them on how to win hearts and minds (remember the no violence policy).
2014-02-19 02:14:26 AM  
2 votes:
0635 GMT: Our small staff has now been working for nearly 19 straight hours, so it is time to get some rest for a few hours. Updates will resume later in the morning.

Until then, activists in Maidan have made this video, a kind of testimony of who they are, what they want, and what they are up against:



I Am a Ukrainian
2014-02-19 01:05:10 AM  
2 votes:
The only Russian word I understand is "slava" meaning "glory [to]".

That massively angry sounding speaker just cried GLORY TO UKRAINE.
2014-02-19 12:30:23 AM  
2 votes:
pbs.twimg.com
2014-02-18 09:52:07 PM  
2 votes:
2014-02-18 08:32:30 PM  
2 votes:
Milkit, best of luck, man.  Keep your head down, and your powder dry.
2014-02-18 07:07:12 PM  
2 votes:
2014-02-18 06:46:06 PM  
2 votes:

rkiller1: 2headedboy: FREE healthcare

"Free" as in nobody is paying for it, or "free" that somebody else is footing the bill, just not you?


See, I can pay into a system that make sure another person doesn't go bankrupt when he gets sick or injured, so that he can keep paying into the same system that makes sure I don't go bankrupt when I get sick or injured.

Or, I can pay into a system that promises that, then reneges because of "pre-existing contidtions".

Or, I can not pay into such a system, and if I'm poor, I'm screwed if I get sick or injured, and if I'm rich, I can praise myself for pulling myself up by my bootstraps.

I can see where such a decision is difficult because of the poors getting that way solely because of bad decisions and in no way due to luck or losing out in the genetic lottery.
2014-02-18 05:57:24 PM  
2 votes:
And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.
2014-02-18 05:46:08 PM  
2 votes:

orezona: Oh shiat, that's a building on fire now.


Saw that too. I'll have to catch up after I get home.

Has anyone heard of similar "attacks" in other cities in Ukraine? BBC mentioned a report of one in Lviv, but I can't find anything on Google.
2014-02-18 05:32:27 PM  
2 votes:

cc_rider: cc_rider: Updates and links here:

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/police-advance-on-euromaidan- f ollowing-a-government-ultimatum-live-updates-337067.html

Now, with working link!

http://tinyurl.com/o2r8ygu


Grrr...it even worked in the preview ^. One more time and if it doesn't work, I'll give up. Don't know why it's being such a ho.


Police advance on EuroMaidan at night after government ultimatum (VIDEO, LIVE UPDATES)
2014-02-18 05:30:03 PM  
2 votes:

orezona: No doubt the protestors are throwing Molotovs now!


ha ha..... the protesters have been throwing molotovs in Ukraine for about 3 weeks.
2014-02-18 05:25:47 PM  
2 votes:
Updates and links here:

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/police-advance-on-euromaidan- f ollowing-a-government-ultimatum-live-updates-337067.html
2014-02-18 05:23:16 PM  
2 votes:

EatenTheSun: drew46n2: Tarkus: That's nothing compared to the tyranny of the Obama regime.

Operation American Spring!*

*real Facebook group

Sounds like a good place to meet some crazy people and a few federal agents.


Eh, I suspect it's ALL feds, like the Klan in the '60s.
2014-02-18 04:54:18 PM  
2 votes:
Slava Ukraini! - Glory to Ukraine!
Slava heroim! - Glory to heroes!

The man providing the stream says that government buildings in Western Ukraine have been stormed in L'viv, Ternopil, and Rivne

Razom do peremohe - Together to victory
2014-02-18 04:45:30 PM  
2 votes:
Listening to the live feed I heard:
That all the electricity has been turned off in the center of the city.
Now loudspeakers and main screen are being powered off of generators.
Yanukovych is now speaking with Klitchsko.
Government is worried people are going to start showing up from other parts of the country.
The Internet has allowed people to see what's going on because news channels have stopped broadcasting.
The protestors are asking for milk, water, and medical supplies for the injured.
Organizers are asking the crowd to rotate people on the barricades so they can last through the night.
2014-02-18 04:18:26 PM  
2 votes:
Oh man... all they need is Laibach and Einstürzende Neubauten playing on a flat bed truck.
2014-02-18 04:17:28 PM  
2 votes:
BBC is saying that government buildings in the west of Ukraine are being attacked.
I also read that the government has shutdown the metro in Kiev and isn't allowing traffic into the city in order to keep "revolutionary reinforcements" from coming into the city.
Also Reuters is saying six police men dead from gunshots. It's basically a full on revolution now.
2014-02-18 03:59:44 PM  
2 votes:
The west didn't care when Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians back in the day, so why should we care now?
2014-02-18 03:51:29 PM  
2 votes:

Slaxl: Is is reign in, or rein in?


Since the clever and funny replies are already take, I'll go with the serious one.   It's "rein in" because it's making an analogy with the reins one uses to control a horse.
2014-02-18 03:50:04 PM  
2 votes:

PunGent: some countries get cranky with foreigners posting stuff that makes them look bad, especially when things are already tense.


blogs.telegraph.co.uk
2014-02-18 03:43:27 PM  
2 votes:

make me some tea: Tarkus: That's nothing compared to the tyranny of the Obama regime.

Totally.

[swordattheready.files.wordpress.com image 850x548]


Really? You'll find any reason to bring your OH NO OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST into the conversation?  Do your homework.  Nearly every westernized society has FREE healthcare, but I guess you are in favor of people's life savings, homes and security going to big insurance companies just because they become ill.  And by the way, we aren't living under a socialist regime. It's fascism and the fascist are screaming OH NO OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST just to keep people like you in the dark.
2014-02-18 03:40:32 PM  
2 votes:

IRQ12: That looks f'ing terrifying.

Like whitesnake Great White concert terrifying.


FTFY
2014-02-18 03:39:58 PM  
2 votes:
Bit'O'Gristle: /Ah....ty so very much for the explanation. So..same old story, the government not doing what the population wants, and pretty must just what they want to do. I get it. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!

Depends what people you're talking about. Some of those with Russian ethnicity living in Ukraine want things to stay the way they are. This keeps them tied to how things were.
2014-02-18 03:13:36 PM  
2 votes:

rkiller1: I mean the lasers are cool and all, but what are the protesters' goals?  Anyone know what they want?  Freedom? Economic redistribution? Cake?


Resignation of Viktor Yanukovich, new elections, Russia's oil removed from Ukraine's ass.
2014-02-18 03:06:29 PM  
2 votes:
Take note, 99%ers. This is how you make a government listen.
2014-02-18 02:54:45 PM  
2 votes:

Panty Sniffer: blatz514: bob_ross: Can we get some hot Ukraine women pics?/didn't read the explosion

How's this?

NSFW

Why did they paint themselves in English?


To maximize the number of people in the world who could understand the words.  English is becoming the de facto international language.  More people speak a dialect of Chinese as a first language, but there is no more popular second language in the world.
2014-02-18 02:51:30 PM  
2 votes:

Vidwiz: What is with the green laser beam?


Probably to mess with the Berkut (riot police) and/or police and military helecopters.

http://theaviationist.com/2013/07/02/ah-64-lasers/
2014-02-18 02:48:15 PM  
2 votes:
Unfortunately, this video is not available in Germany because it may contain music for which GEMA has not granted the respective music rights.

Ain't no censorship like corporate censorship.
2014-02-18 02:33:06 PM  
2 votes:
I have a friend there on vacation - he uploaded this to FB an hour or two ago:

i.imgur.com

Looks like shiat just got real
2014-02-18 02:31:49 PM  
2 votes:
Welcome to kickoff, plus 6 hours, Fark. It's been breaking all damn day.
2014-02-18 02:30:44 PM  
2 votes:
That's nothing compared to the tyranny of the Obama regime.
2014-02-18 02:28:21 PM  
2 votes:
img.fark.net
2014-02-19 02:27:02 PM  
1 votes:
There's a follow-up Fark thread HERE.
2014-02-19 01:34:02 PM  
1 votes:
img.fark.net
2014-02-19 01:07:05 PM  
1 votes:
European Investment Bank freezes activities in Ukraine
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/19/uk-ukraine-eib-idUKBREA1I10 H2 0140219

Flanders government blocks all weapons exports to Ukraine. This will probably be followed by the Walloon government doing the same thing. Can't find a suitable link, this one is in Dutch: https://twitter.com/MP_Peeters/status/436179324732194816
2014-02-19 12:32:51 PM  
1 votes:
Can we PLEASE have more threads and info?  I know this is not as enthralling as my scrotal seam being a labia, but it IS the largest country fully contained in Europe a hair's breadth from revolution....

/When are we gonna tie the Blue and Yellow round the ol' Fark "K"???
//Kindly stuff any "rules for posting" as well *cough*
2014-02-19 12:08:26 PM  
1 votes:
2014-02-19 12:06:21 PM  
1 votes:
That image above says "what came over twitter (from the russians)" on the left, and "what i myself saw"
2014-02-19 12:05:32 PM  
1 votes:
From Ukraine Liveblog update: 1659 GMT: Oleh Lyashko, a Rada (parliament) deputy and the leader of the Radical Party, has just completed a speech on the Maidan stage. Having announced that 40 protesters had died so far (we're not sure that's accurate), he turned to stare into the camera and addressed President Yanukovych:

"Yakunovych, you will end your life like Gadaffi!... Nothing is forgotten, no one is forgiven."
2014-02-19 11:01:42 AM  
1 votes:

special20: Panty Sniffer: mbillips: Chicago does not have an extremely high murder rate. It had a statistical spike in 2012, but it still wasn't a high rate compared to REALLY dangerous towns like Detroit, Memphis and New Orleans. Chicago's rate is about 18 per 100k, vs. 54 per 100k in Detroit. All that Murder Capital BS was just because Chicago has a very large population inside the city limits, and thus had a big raw number. Chicago's not ultra SAFE, now, not like New York City (5.1 per 100k), but it's not a war zone, either.

Also avoid neighborhoods like Englewood and Austin.  But that is only common sense.

That's right - we'd all like everyone to stay away from Austin. Please?


Seconded.  Austin was a great town, but all these outsiders moving here are changing it.  Hardly recognizable as the same city it was when I first came here 5 years ago.
2014-02-19 10:34:35 AM  
1 votes:
Reports abound that things are being moved into place for an afternoon or evening attack on the protesters in Kiev.

- More shots fired today, one middle-aged woman reported killed, wounded are snatched from hospital beds and taken to undisclosed locations.
- Rumors about busloads of titushky's being on their way.
- Rumors about armored cars on their way to Kiev.

No state of emergency has been declared (yet the government has still closed off metro stations), but talk about (airborne) troops on alert is starting:

- https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR : Ex-Defense Minister Anatoliy Hrytsenko reports that Defense Minister Lebedyev has ordered troops from #Dnipropetrovsk
- "Def Min Lebediev says sent 500 airborne troops from Dnipropetrovsk to Kyiv, can't guarantee armed forces won't deploy "

Some fresh hints as to how the military will react: "Petro Shuliak, lieutenant-colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Forces army unit N1241, made an official statement reflecting the position of the unit commanders that he will not give clearly criminal orders and assured that the personnel will not execute clearly criminal orders." (includes jpg of document)

From @EuromaidanPR and many others, a cry for help: "Dear #Europe. Now we are at war."
2014-02-19 08:01:00 AM  
1 votes:

Chris Ween: traylor: I hope I don't get banned for this...

[img.fark.net image 560x720]

I always thought that was a gratuitous display.  Like the victory was lead by Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake.


Of course she's French...so who knows.
2014-02-19 08:00:10 AM  
1 votes:

traylor: I hope I don't get banned for this...

[img.fark.net image 560x720]


I always thought that was a gratuitous display.  Like the victory was lead by Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake.
2014-02-19 03:05:07 AM  
1 votes:
Really worth perusing: the photos from the "Maidaners", like this one for instance. Text: "Evgeniy Utkin, the founder and the president of the hi-tech holding KM Core, with his son Vladimir. In December Evgeniy gave a lecture at the small stage of Maidan on the subject of "lie being the primary source of all revolutions". I asked him if he was afraid of being prosecuted by the authorities after such lectures.He has business, he is a millionaire if I am not mistaken, - he has a lot to lose. "It isn't going to get worse than it is now", - answered Utkin and allowed me to quote his words."

Evgeni isn't small fish: CEO, Businessman of the Year, Top 10 manager of Russia laureate, the lot. Even has his own English Wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evgeni_Utkin
2014-02-19 02:20:08 AM  
1 votes:
Oh damn it, I shoulda Quiet-tubed that video.
2014-02-19 02:13:14 AM  
1 votes:
Above pics are from twitters posted previously in the thread.

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM
https://twitter.com/TarasDenysenko
2014-02-19 02:11:53 AM  
1 votes:

Kittypie070: German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski unsuccessfully tried to reach Yanukovych. Yanukovych in turn broke off the call from Vladimir Putin - and also without a result - the president of Russia was too busy. The only person who managed to get through was US Vice President Joe Biden.


Very interesting. Plus, also in that link:

Klichko said that Yanukovych is not in touch with what is really happening in the situation.

That's it, too many marbles rolling around upstairs, he's had it. He's locked himself up, can't even stand to talk to his friends anymore.

Next, the article mentions five locations, all geographically spread out, where trouble is rising: Kyiv city, Lviv (Lviv Oblast), Lvov (Mykolaivs'ka oblast), Ivano Frankovsk, and Ternopol. This could mean things are heating up and unrest is spreading on a national scale.
2014-02-19 02:11:45 AM  
1 votes:
Trade Union House

pbs.twimg.com
2014-02-19 01:51:46 AM  
1 votes:
http://www.interpretermag.com/what-happened-overnight-in-kiev-and-thr o ughout-ukraine/


No one could reach anyone on the phone. German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski unsuccessfully tried to reach Yanukovych. Yanukovych in turn broke off the call from Vladimir Putin - and also without a result - the president of Russia was too busy. The only person who managed to get through was US Vice President Joe Biden. He apparently spoke with Yanukovych and got across to him that what was going on was absolutely unacceptable. What Yanukovych said in response is not known.

Information from various sources contradicts each other, but what can be said approximately is that by 7:00 am, about 20 people had been killed in the riots, and significantly more than a thousand were wounded. This includes dozens of policemen who have been severely wounded, and at least six killed. The main injuries are: eyes popped out from light and noise grenades, fractures, burns, gunshot wounds. Seven people suffered in the fire from smoke inhalation and burns. They were all rescued
.
2014-02-19 01:07:49 AM  
1 votes:
Can anyone read Ukrainian? Or is it Russian? According to this image, and from what I can read, there's at least 3 media persons shot:
chesno.org

One Reuters, 2 Associated Press.
2014-02-19 01:03:14 AM  
1 votes:

cretinbob: So the Berkut are the Ukranian teabaggers?

[www.interpretermag.com image 620x347]

[img.fark.net image 620x448]


Actually, that would be the people on the  inside of the perimeter, or at least some of them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/02/12/who-ar e- the-protesters-in-ukraine/
2014-02-19 01:00:47 AM  
1 votes:
Wow...whoever it is that's making a speech right this minute sounds MASSIVELY angry.
2014-02-19 12:59:30 AM  
1 votes:
"Translation: Vyacheslav Veremiy of the newspaper Vesti died in the ER. He was dragged out of a taxi on Mikhailovskaya Street. He was beaten and shot in the chest. I remember him from the newspaper in Kiev. He left a son, Maxim, age 4," says one of his colleagues."

fark Putin and his biatch Yanuko.  I hope they both get strung up before they retire.
2014-02-19 12:36:39 AM  
1 votes:
who are the idiots that think shiat hasn't been real all along?
it makes me sick to think americans think duck dynasty or honey boo boo is reality tv.
watch your reruns and stfu.
2014-02-19 12:24:39 AM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-02-19 12:23:29 AM  
1 votes:
2014-02-19 12:22:09 AM  
1 votes:

danzak: Sorry, not good at this linking on a tablet. Just go to kyivpost.com. Good info there in english


He's right people, go here: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/police-advance-on-euromaidan-f ollowing-a-government-ultimatum-live-updates-337067.html (remove the space, Fark chokes on the link)
2014-02-19 12:18:51 AM  
1 votes:
I heard singing in the background of the news commentators in the YouTube/Espreso live feed, which is still operational.
2014-02-19 12:15:35 AM  
1 votes:
damn , direct hit on the hose crew with a firework
2014-02-19 12:02:49 AM  
1 votes:
2014-02-18 11:35:27 PM  
1 votes:
Current view, for context (google earth):

img.fark.net
2014-02-18 11:34:04 PM  
1 votes:
2014-02-18 11:24:57 PM  
1 votes:
There are reports that Ukrainian journalist Vyacheslav Veremei of Kiev based newspaper, Vesti, has died of injuries sustained in the clashes. There are reports from a colleague and a Euromaidan twitter account that he had been shot.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/ukraine-police-storm-ki ev -protest-camp-live-updates

The sun is rising soon.  Now they are asking fresh people to replace the ones who are tired and wet, to rally around a specific monument.  Also, to save Molotov cocktails until the turtle formations are close.
2014-02-18 11:18:57 PM  
1 votes:

make me some tea: IRQ12: When does it get light there?  It seems like repeat on youtube.

It's 7:17am there.

Holy shiat, I don't know what's being said but it sounds bad.


I'm sorry, it's 6:18am. My bad.
2014-02-18 11:12:22 PM  
1 votes:

danzak: Also seeing from other sources that the ex PMs son has chartered flights and is flying out members of the Party of Regions (Yanukovich's party).


That is interesting, these things generally are and it sounds ;like it's heating back up from earlier. As I said eariler I never tought I would see a medieval seige but all the shields, defenses
It's well known medieval defenders used fire. Yes the form of the combat that is happening is interesting and it seems right now both sides are in a propaganda war
2014-02-18 11:11:55 PM  
1 votes:
Ukraine's "We are Europeans" movement urges the country's Olympians at the Winter Games in Sochi, Russia, to stop competing to show solidarity with the protesters, Radio Liberty reports.
2014-02-18 10:55:53 PM  
1 votes:
Also seeing from other sources that the ex PMs son has chartered flights and is flying out members of the Party of Regions (Yanukovich's party).
2014-02-18 09:37:44 PM  
1 votes:

ZzeusS: MilkIt: More, according to Klitschko, the president has demanded evacuation of Majdan and for the police to no longer withhold their strength.


Not that I'm a bootlicker or anything, but I think the police are showing amazing restraint.


He might be losing support. The main force being used here are Berkut, an interior "special force". Kyiv police previously refused to support the aggressions, I suspect that is happening now too. Getting the Army involved is dangerous because a large portion of them may not move against their countrymen. In fact, there are rumours that soldiers may be heading to Kyiv to support the protests. There's also an Interior army but these are mostly young kids from poor families. There's about 5000 Berkut that can move against the Maidan, that may not be enough, they've been beaten back a few times. But they will make sure that more blood will be spilled.

Yanukovich has run out of options, nobody can trust him to negotiate anymore. This will end violently, one way or another.

Watching the stream, the attack looks to be starting again, they're calling for help at the barricades.
2014-02-18 08:34:04 PM  
1 votes:

Cpl.D: Milkit, best of luck, man.  Keep your head down, and your powder dry.


I'm in Krakow, no worries...
2014-02-18 08:18:11 PM  
1 votes:
In Tarnopol, they have also taken completely over, cars in the streets with speakers attached on the roof are calling for people to mobilize and head to Kiev!
2014-02-18 08:15:51 PM  
1 votes:
In Lwow, the protesters have taken over government buildings, including the main police headquarters.  The police are retreating without weapons!  This is unreal!
2014-02-18 08:10:43 PM  
1 votes:
26 regional representatives just flew out of Kiev on a chartered jet owned by the son of the former premier.

The FFs can't get to the buildings that are on fire...!!!
2014-02-18 08:04:14 PM  
1 votes:
Na scenie rozstawionej na Majdanie na przemian słychać modlitwy, pieśni i apele o pomoc dla protestujących.

Translation:  On the stage where previously there was music, there are now prayers...
2014-02-18 08:00:17 PM  
1 votes:
Well, you tell Ukraine we're not going to commit to a missile shield to help protect you in case, oh, I don't know, Putin gets a little bit upset if Team Russia doesn't win gold in men's hockey and decides to extol his anger on his neighbors, and leave them to their own devices with a big fark you and this is what you get.
2014-02-18 07:53:51 PM  
1 votes:
More, according to Klitschko, the president has demanded evacuation of Majdan and for the police to no longer withhold their strength.
2014-02-18 07:50:08 PM  
1 votes:
From Polish News, they are starting to shut down power to all the lights in Kiev...
2014-02-18 07:44:42 PM  
1 votes:

NEDM: Video of an APC getting molotoved.


When you said molotaved (plural) you weren't kidding, damn. It has got to be scary as hell to be in all that mess.
2014-02-18 07:42:42 PM  
1 votes:
They are asking the riot police to arrest their own commanders and join with the protest.
2014-02-18 07:39:06 PM  
1 votes:
The guy speaking now is trying to direct the firefighters and telling Berkut not to shoot them
2014-02-18 07:37:54 PM  
1 votes:
With the loud speakers in the background I can't help but think:

"ALL GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA"
2014-02-18 07:35:26 PM  
1 votes:

indylaw: So has anything changed there? It looks like it's a standoff at this point but not much going on.

Also, what's burning for so long?


Ah, molten tires.
2014-02-18 07:32:26 PM  
1 votes:
So has anything changed there? It looks like it's a standoff at this point but not much going on.

Also, what's burning for so long?
2014-02-18 07:29:20 PM  
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dr_blasto: If this group of protestors and/or the movement as a whole (generalized) are anything like the makeup of that previous group the ultranationalists and weirdo right-wingers aren't really going to be an issue.


I hope not. I'd suspect the weirdo rightwingers are useful muscle to be discarded by the larger movement and the larger opposition parties, like the RNE were in Russia in 1993. Given that issues of national identity and national self-determination are central to the whole Euromaidan movement, though, ultranationalists might gain support that they otherwise wouldn't, especially in the atmosphere of revolution. It might be harder to get rid of them after this.

You've got a good point about competence. Klitschko's charisma, fame, and popularity might be enough to get him elected, but none of those things run a country. Unless he's going to solve Ukraine's problems with Russia by getting in the ring with Putin, I'm not sure he has the necessary skills and experience for the job. If he falls on his face, then what? Then whom?

I wish I knew more about this. I've been living under a rock for several years now ;-)
2014-02-18 07:25:51 PM  
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2014-02-18 07:02:44 PM  
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orezona: grimnir: ole prophet: So what's the O/U on the timeframe we are right back here because the "protesters" installed their own totalitarian government? 6 months or a year?

Weeks. I think that's the point of the exercise for Svoboda. Those guys with the three-fingers-up flag?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25571805

That's them.

http://www.dw.de/ukrainians-veer-toward-right-wing-nationalism/a-164 46 159

That's them.

http://www.academia.edu/2481420/_The_Return_of_the_Ukrainian_Far_Rig ht _The_Case_of_VO_Svoboda_in_Ruth_Wodak_and_John_E._Richardson_eds._Anal yzing_Fascist_Discourse_European_Fascism_in_Talk_and_Text_London_and_N ew_York_Routledge_2013_228-255

That's them.

I didn't want to slap up links from Russian sites (very biased) or from anarchist and leftist sites (very biased), so BBC and Deutsche Welle They're an unreformed, made-over, National Socialist party. They've rebranded, and it's working. They might call themselves "Freedom", but that's not what they're after. And they aren't the most extreme ones, either. Some of the neo-Nazis taking part in  Euromaidan aren't bothering to hide it.

It isn't that everyone or even most of the people who are rising up against the government in Ukraine are some kind of ultranationalists or neo-Nazis. it isn't that at all. But the crowd hasn't exactly kicked them out, either.

So what you're saying is that shiat will go from bad to worse?

Excellent.


Or they're just useful in the current circumstances. I don't think the Orange Revolution was right-wing, they leaned heavily on the socialists and communists. Yushenko and Tymoshenko were possibly bad administrators, though, and I don't see a lot of right-wing influence. If this group of protestors and/or the movement as a whole (generalized) are anything like the makeup of that previous group the ultranationalists and weirdo right-wingers aren't really going to be an issue.

Mostly worry about competence if the protests succeed. I'm not sure  Klitschko is the best solution.
2014-02-18 06:49:02 PM  
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grimnir: ole prophet: So what's the O/U on the timeframe we are right back here because the "protesters" installed their own totalitarian government? 6 months or a year?

Weeks. I think that's the point of the exercise for Svoboda. Those guys with the three-fingers-up flag?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25571805

That's them.

http://www.dw.de/ukrainians-veer-toward-right-wing-nationalism/a-164 46 159

That's them.

http://www.academia.edu/2481420/_The_Return_of_the_Ukrainian_Far_Rig ht _The_Case_of_VO_Svoboda_in_Ruth_Wodak_and_John_E._Richardson_eds._Anal yzing_Fascist_Discourse_European_Fascism_in_Talk_and_Text_London_and_N ew_York_Routledge_2013_228-255

That's them.

I didn't want to slap up links from Russian sites (very biased) or from anarchist and leftist sites (very biased), so BBC and Deutsche Welle They're an unreformed, made-over, National Socialist party. They've rebranded, and it's working. They might call themselves "Freedom", but that's not what they're after. And they aren't the most extreme ones, either. Some of the neo-Nazis taking part in  Euromaidan aren't bothering to hide it.

It isn't that everyone or even most of the people who are rising up against the government in Ukraine are some kind of ultranationalists or neo-Nazis. it isn't that at all. But the crowd hasn't exactly kicked them out, either.


That sorta is how revolutions go and why anyone that really wants one is freakin' crazy.
2014-02-18 06:39:25 PM  
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Mayostard: I keep seeing tires being tossed into the fires.
Where are they getting all of those tires? It's like they have an unlimited supply.


Many people don't know this but, they have an army of Michelin Man clones specifically for these occasions.
/Love your handle
/I prefer Mustardayonnaise
2014-02-18 06:37:51 PM  
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That's 'Master Troll' to You: All of the irrelevant tired old jokes having anything to do with the Ukraine have now been made in this thread, can all the morons leave now?


This site would become a ghost town...Nobody would be left except for Pocket Ninja...
2014-02-18 06:34:49 PM  
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All of the irrelevant tired old jokes having anything to do with the Ukraine have now been made in this thread, can all the morons leave now?
2014-02-18 06:33:47 PM  
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CygnusDarius: This text is now purple: Daedalus27: That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

Don't let them hear you say that.

To hear them talk, everyone in South America is of pure Spanish descent.

Except the Argentines. They've also got Germans.

It's funny that Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay feel more like Europe, Brazil has a shiat-ton of nationality blend, and even in Mexico there's parts of the country that's a lot of people of German/Lebanese heritage.


You can thank Otto Skorzeny for some of that.

(re-reading Arms of Krupp atm)
2014-02-18 06:31:48 PM  
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This text is now purple: Daedalus27: That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

Don't let them hear you say that.

To hear them talk, everyone in South America is of pure Spanish descent.

Except the Argentines. They've also got Germans.


It's funny that Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay feel more like Europe, Brazil has a shiat-ton of nationality blend, and even in Mexico there's parts of the country that's a lot of people of German/Lebanese heritage.
2014-02-18 06:31:09 PM  
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I wonder how RT is covering this Ukrainian thing or are they too busy telling us what wrong with the US.
2014-02-18 06:27:17 PM  
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I'm pulling for you Ukrainians, but y'all gotta go attend a throwing academy. I have yet to see a rock or molotov thrown properly. Y'all are gonna hurt yourselves.
2014-02-18 06:26:03 PM  
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Chris Ween: Smeggy Smurf: Chris Ween: phimuskapsi: CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.


It's sort of on fire. Protests have begun but in much smaller numbers, when the general public joins in and there is video of fire, it'll be rotated in.

They need to save it for sweeps week. You can't compete with the Ukraine right now. The Iran thing took its turn before Egypt. Same as Dancing With The Stars and The Bachelor take turns

Always when something big hits the news our government pulls some bullshiat schenanigans.  Time to fire up the Google and see what's really going on

Good point. What military operation is Obama doing now?


Nothing I'm aware of.  But there's been a lot of unusual domestic training lately.
2014-02-18 06:18:35 PM  
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Tigger: Daedalus27: CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.

It is tougher to get media out of there due to government suppression.  Ukraine is relatively free and open media with ready access to the outside world with the worlds media attention a couple hundred miles away.  Venezuela is an isolated outpost being dominated by a single party with strict media controls so the images we get out are difficult to verify.  That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

There have also been some attacks in Northwest China but we don't hear much about that because it is China.

If this is an attempt to steer the thread into a discussion of the relative merits of Venezuelan vs Ukrainian chicks then it was brilliantly done.


I like girls, but, I don't think this might be the best thread for that.
2014-02-18 06:17:35 PM  
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Daedalus27: CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.

It is tougher to get media out of there due to government suppression.  Ukraine is relatively free and open media with ready access to the outside world with the worlds media attention a couple hundred miles away.  Venezuela is an isolated outpost being dominated by a single party with strict media controls so the images we get out are difficult to verify.  That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

There have also been some attacks in Northwest China but we don't hear much about that because it is China.


It feels as if the world was on fire right now.
2014-02-18 06:07:46 PM  
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CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.


It is tougher to get media out of there due to government suppression.  Ukraine is relatively free and open media with ready access to the outside world with the worlds media attention a couple hundred miles away.  Venezuela is an isolated outpost being dominated by a single party with strict media controls so the images we get out are difficult to verify.  That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

There have also been some attacks in Northwest China but we don't hear much about that because it is China.
2014-02-18 06:05:42 PM  
1 votes:
From BBC:

'The #Kiev trade union building, #euromaidan /opposition HQ for months, is now burning. Is #Ukraine 's government fighting fire with fire? '

Man speaking says people are trapped on the 9th floor by smoke
2014-02-18 05:59:20 PM  
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static01.nyt.com
2014-02-18 05:59:16 PM  
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spawn73: The Irresponsible Captain: spawn73: Ukraine isn't elligeble for EU membership. It was a tradeagreement that was on the table, which Russia felt would flood the Russian market with made in EU goods, which Russian made products couldn't compete with (I don't know whether Putin felt it was because Russian stuff is crap, expensive or perhaps both).

EU has whethered the crisis fine btw., there's real BNP growth now, on average. Which is to say some nations, ie. the usual suspects, are still not doing so well. The EU as a whole is doing just fine though.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant to be closer, not to join, and to do so in an enthusiastic manner.

Good to hear the EU is doing better, it's been all Olympics all the time on the national news and I've lost track since the Greek crisis wasn't so loud but I recall the overall EU economy being described as pretty flat at the time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/business/greek-government-forecast s- budget-surplus.html

Well, Greece claims that they might have a budget surplus in 2014 for the first time in 6 years. Who knows. Spain announced it would take them 20 years for their economy to have regained the pre-crisis levels. Which, whilst depressing, is still good in a way.

Northern Europe, ie. Benelux, Germany, Denmark/Sweden/Finland + the Baltic states is storming ahead though. Germany, last I read, has an export surplus equal to that of China, which is kinda sick when you consider the differences in population.


But the Fox News people keep telling me the EU is doomed to die because socialism.
2014-02-18 05:59:15 PM  
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That building fire will give the authorities the greenlight to clear the square. I recall that building had a large hammer and sickle decoration on it as last as 2000. Wonder if it is still there
2014-02-18 05:56:55 PM  
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The Irresponsible Captain: spawn73: Ukraine isn't elligeble for EU membership. It was a tradeagreement that was on the table, which Russia felt would flood the Russian market with made in EU goods, which Russian made products couldn't compete with (I don't know whether Putin felt it was because Russian stuff is crap, expensive or perhaps both).

EU has whethered the crisis fine btw., there's real BNP growth now, on average. Which is to say some nations, ie. the usual suspects, are still not doing so well. The EU as a whole is doing just fine though.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant to be closer, not to join, and to do so in an enthusiastic manner.

Good to hear the EU is doing better, it's been all Olympics all the time on the national news and I've lost track since the Greek crisis wasn't so loud but I recall the overall EU economy being described as pretty flat at the time.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/business/greek-government-forecast s- budget-surplus.html

Well, Greece claims that they might have a budget surplus in 2014 for the first time in 6 years. Who knows. Spain announced it would take them 20 years for their economy to have regained the pre-crisis levels. Which, whilst depressing, is still good in a way.

Northern Europe, ie. Benelux, Germany, Denmark/Sweden/Finland + the Baltic states is storming ahead though. Germany, last I read, has an export surplus equal to that of China, which is kinda sick when you consider the differences in population.
2014-02-18 05:53:27 PM  
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Protests starting in Eastern Ukraine too again, with over 5000 in Kharkiv. This is the beginning of the end of this. next few days will be rough, but this was incredibly dumb on Yanukovich's part. He has left himself no way out now other than all out war, which he will lose eventually, but more blood will be spilled
2014-02-18 05:52:49 PM  
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Hearing the priests really give it an apocalyptic feel. I mean, even more so than just the video
2014-02-18 05:52:44 PM  
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Super Chronic: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Chris Ween: Bit'O'Gristle: Are people in the Ukraine allowed to own weapons? i have not seen any yet.


/Anyone?

As an aside, all those people who talk about the 2d amendment not being a deterrent to tyranny, think of these protest where they don't have guns and still mange to get the attention of the government.

If the protesters brought out guns, there'd be a massacre.  Troops and riot police in full body bullet proof?  There'd be thousands dead.

You mean... you mean the right-wing fantasy of fighting off tyranny in the manner of Red Dawn might not be completely grounded in reality? But that grim-jawed Patrick Swayze looks so bold and determined!


We're not going to be stupid enough to engage a heavily armed force head on in a city.  What that calls for now is smoke bombs, napalm and silly putty
2014-02-18 05:47:36 PM  
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sovietski: orezona: Oh shiat, that's a building on fire now.

Saw that too. I'll have to catch up after I get home.

Has anyone heard of similar "attacks" in other cities in Ukraine? BBC mentioned a report of one in Lviv, but I can't find anything on Google.


Lviv, Ternopil and Ivanovo Frankivsk is what heard.
2014-02-18 05:45:31 PM  
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Ed Grubermann: Oldstyler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q4TaZyKv3Y#t=37  Hardcore stuff

You do not want to be a cop in that city right now.


Damn.
2014-02-18 05:45:25 PM  
1 votes:
Multiple feeds here:

http://www.maidanhotspot.com/watch-maidan-live
2014-02-18 05:43:30 PM  
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Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Chris Ween: Bit'O'Gristle: Are people in the Ukraine allowed to own weapons? i have not seen any yet.


/Anyone?

As an aside, all those people who talk about the 2d amendment not being a deterrent to tyranny, think of these protest where they don't have guns and still mange to get the attention of the government.

If the protesters brought out guns, there'd be a massacre.  Troops and riot police in full body bullet proof?  There'd be thousands dead.


You mean... you mean the right-wing fantasy of fighting off tyranny in the manner of Red Dawn might not be completely grounded in reality? But that grim-jawed Patrick Swayze looks so bold and determined!
2014-02-18 05:42:51 PM  
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Naatje: They just set water cannon on fire and another is on the way.


img.fark.net
2014-02-18 05:42:35 PM  
1 votes:
Oh shiat, that's a building on fire now.
2014-02-18 05:35:09 PM  
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Naatje: Snipers are shooting at the people on the stage.  They called a medic to the stage.


My russian's not too good, but I think I just heard the medic on the stage say something about the brown acid.
2014-02-18 05:34:03 PM  
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dl.dropboxusercontent.com
2014-02-18 05:29:16 PM  
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dfacto: God damn, if you remove the fireworks the live-feed looks like real, actual, Dante hell right now.


Have these up side by side on the second monitor:

http://www.livestation.com/en/reuters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4
2014-02-18 05:28:59 PM  
1 votes:
Wow , I thought I would never get to see a real medieval siege..
2014-02-18 05:27:48 PM  
1 votes:
God damn, if you remove the fireworks the live-feed looks like real, actual, Dante hell right now.
2014-02-18 05:27:18 PM  
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cc_rider: Updates and links here:

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/police-advance-on-euromaidan- f ollowing-a-government-ultimatum-live-updates-337067.html


Now, with working link!

http://tinyurl.com/o2r8ygu
2014-02-18 05:26:58 PM  
1 votes:
I guess the SoCheap 2014 Olympics was giving Putin too much direct attention.
2014-02-18 05:26:46 PM  
1 votes:

spawn73: Ukraine isn't elligeble for EU membership. It was a tradeagreement that was on the table, which Russia felt would flood the Russian market with made in EU goods, which Russian made products couldn't compete with (I don't know whether Putin felt it was because Russian stuff is crap, expensive or perhaps both).

EU has whethered the crisis fine btw., there's real BNP growth now, on average. Which is to say some nations, ie. the usual suspects, are still not doing so well. The EU as a whole is doing just fine though.


Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant to be closer, not to join, and to do so in an enthusiastic manner.

Good to hear the EU is doing better, it's been all Olympics all the time on the national news and I've lost track since the Greek crisis wasn't so loud but I recall the overall EU economy being described as pretty flat at the time.
2014-02-18 05:25:54 PM  
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Bit'O'Gristle: WhiskeySticks: Bit'O'Gristle: /Ah....ty so very much for the explanation. So..same old story, the government not doing what the population wants, and pretty must just what they want to do. I get it. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!

Depends what people you're talking about. Some of those with Russian ethnicity living in Ukraine want things to stay the way they are. This keeps them tied to how things were.

/True, you can't make everyone happy, but there seems to be tens of thousands out there now. I hope they don't charge the military. True, they have numbers, but the military has heavy weapons.  And generally, when the cops or military open up, the protesters scatter like quail from a hunting dog. Well..except the dead ones. They don't run so much.


There's often a huge problem with the millitary angle in a non-sectarian conflict. Ukrainian soldiers are indoctrionated to defend the Ukrainian people, telling them to start shooting at Ukrainians might not work at all.

Remember the 1991 coup in the Soviet Union, where an army brigade was ordered to Moscow. When they arrived at the parliament where Jeltsin was holed up, they shook hands with the protesters, and vowed to defend the parliament, and refused to shoot at civilians. At which point the coup failed (and the Soviet Union with it).
2014-02-18 05:24:36 PM  
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Snipers are shooting at the people on the stage.  They called a medic to the stage.
2014-02-18 05:21:02 PM  
1 votes:

EdNortonsTwin: Well that rush didn't go well for the popo, especially the guy they are dragging around like a Nazi sympathizer from back in the day.


Sucks to be a jackbooted thug
2014-02-18 05:21:01 PM  
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rkiller1: 2headedboy: FREE healthcare

"Free" as in nobody is paying for it, or "free" that somebody else is footing the bill, just not you?



Even under private health insurance, the average policy holder receives much less in services than they pay in premiums. That's the only way insurance CAN work. So yes, in most people's experiences you are indeed footing the bill for somebody else.

The goal should be to minimize administrative expenses and fraud. Medicare and Medicaid are actually exceptionally good at the former, less so at the latter, but not enough to offset the administrative savings.

Fifteen years ago I worked for a physician billing company here in MA. We had two people handling just BCBS, a single commercial carrier. We had dozens more handling the rest. Meanwhile, the little old lady who processed both Medicare and Medicaid claims spent half her day sipping tea. Christ, we could have run that company on six people if there was single payor.
2014-02-18 05:19:45 PM  
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Naatje: They just set water cannon on fire and another is on the way.


I shouldn't laugh, but frogdamn that's hilarious.
2014-02-18 05:18:32 PM  
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The Irresponsible Captain: Without getting into who's right and wrong; I sympathize with the protesters. If I were in a position do decide between Putin's Russia and the European Union I'd already have the EU flag up. On one hand you have a collection of prosperous first-world countries that may be going through a tough time right now and on the other is a depressed and corrupted heart of a former superpower.

Not to mention the decades of repression the Eastern Bloc countries faced and surely their parents remember. While that may be a government long gone, the memory persists.


Ukraine isn't elligeble for EU membership. It was a tradeagreement that was on the table, which Russia felt would flood the Russian market with made in EU goods, which Russian made products couldn't compete with (I don't know whether Putin felt it was because Russian stuff is crap, expensive or perhaps both).

EU has whethered the crisis fine btw., there's real BNP growth now, on average. Which is to say some nations, ie. the usual suspects, are still not doing so well. The EU as a whole is doing just fine though.

And wouldn't mind having Ukraines market open for its products, + Ukraine has tons of raw materials the EU would be interested in importing. They will however not be propped up like Greece, since they wouldn't be an EU member. That was what Russia was willing to do. Sell them cheap gas, and keep lending them money even though they're deadbeats.
2014-02-18 05:15:57 PM  
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rhiannon: Naatje thanks, very helpful


Yes, thank you, Naatje for the translations. Much appreciated.
2014-02-18 05:14:36 PM  
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They captured one and are taking him to the stage.  They asking the crowd not to beat him.
2014-02-18 05:14:20 PM  
1 votes:
Looks like the crowd caught a cop and are beating the fark out of him.
2014-02-18 05:05:16 PM  
1 votes:

indylaw: rkiller1: I mean the lasers are cool and all, but what are the protesters' goals?  Anyone know what they want?  Freedom? Economic redistribution? Cake?

Resignation of Viktor Yanukovich, new elections, Russia's oil removed from Ukraine's ass.


So, you're saying the oil has hit the anus?
2014-02-18 05:03:22 PM  
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Hackers have hacked the KNVD website and posted the names of the riot police who are now posted on Maidan
2014-02-18 05:01:33 PM  
1 votes:
Do you hear the people sing?
2014-02-18 05:00:47 PM  
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The woman is saying the 'Our Father' in Ukrainian.  They are thanking God the wind has the smoke blowing on the riot police tonight.  The barricades are burning as a strategy to stop an attack on that side.  There is footage of a troop transport going up in flames.  The fire could have started then.
2014-02-18 04:58:10 PM  
1 votes:
Naatje thanks, very helpful
2014-02-18 04:54:37 PM  
1 votes:
One of my students left for Ukraine last Thursday to visit her family.

What I said was "oh that's nice. You don't often get to visit your family."

What I wanted to say was "don't your parents know what's going on? Perhaps this trip should wait!"

I know she isn't staying in Kiev, but she certainly landed there en route to her destination, and would have to do that to return.
2014-02-18 04:51:26 PM  
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Naatje: Listening to the live feed I heard:
That all the electricity has been turned off in the center of the city.
Now loudspeakers and main screen are being powered off of generators.
Yanukovych is now speaking with Klitchsko.
Government is worried people are going to start showing up from other parts of the country.
The Internet has allowed people to see what's going on because news channels have stopped broadcasting.
The protestors are asking for milk, water, and medical supplies for the injured.
Organizers are asking the crowd to rotate people on the barricades so they can last through the night.


Thank you, kind sir/madam.

/broken Rooski yazeek skillz are no help with Ukrainian
2014-02-18 04:50:32 PM  
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The man speaking called on all those watching on the internet - Vsi na maidan! - Everyone to maidan!
Now singing Ukrainian national anthem 'Shche ne vmerla Ukraina' - 'Ukraine is not dead'
2014-02-18 04:46:49 PM  
1 votes:

Oldstyler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q4TaZyKv3Y#t=37  Hardcore stuff


You do not want to be a cop in that city right now.
2014-02-18 04:42:58 PM  
1 votes:

Ned Stark: Chris Ween: neversubmit: I have this delusion that we here in the USA can do better but I fear this is only a preview for the Untied States. Can hope be found between delusion and fear?

Well, let's see.  During all those months of OWS protesting, did the government kill 9 people?

The US government killed way way more than 9 people during OWS.

Not at OWS, but still.


The US government has an assassination program that much is known but who is on the kill list has yet to be released. Maybe it is why we don't/won't have this "problem" here.
rpl
2014-02-18 04:37:41 PM  
1 votes:

phimuskapsi: What the fark is going on with the feed? Is anyone else hearing strangely upbeat music being played over the shots of Kiev burning? Did the State just decide that's the best way of handling it??


It's the opposition's stage at the square. Their live feed plays similar stuff in between updates.
2014-02-18 04:31:00 PM  
1 votes:
i141.photobucket.com
unrelated
2014-02-18 04:30:21 PM  
1 votes:

phimuskapsi: What the fark is going on with the feed? Is anyone else hearing strangely upbeat music being played over the shots of Kiev burning? Did the State just decide that's the best way of handling it??


I'm hearing sports talk radio, but that might be because I muted the sound and turned on the radio.  The audio problem is probably localized to this office.
2014-02-18 04:29:21 PM  
1 votes:

i586.photobucket.com

2014-02-18 04:24:40 PM  
1 votes:
The unrest intensified after an anti-protest law went into effect. Throngs of demonstrators took to the streets to protest the law.

Let's remember that Ukraine outlawed protests.  The right to protest is a pretty basic and fundamental right for a democracy.  The current president/ prime minister whatever they call it over there supported this law that outlawed protests.  So you see where he is, politically.
2014-02-18 04:23:59 PM  
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Chris Ween: neversubmit: I have this delusion that we here in the USA can do better but I fear this is only a preview for the Untied States. Can hope be found between delusion and fear?

Well, let's see.  During all those months of OWS protesting, did the government kill 9 people?

[imagehost4.online-image-editor.com image 243x159]


Wait! What is the meaning of preview again?
2014-02-18 04:18:30 PM  
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Ring of Fire: BBC is saying that government buildings in the west of Ukraine are being attacked.
I also read that the government has shutdown the metro in Kiev and isn't allowing traffic into the city in order to keep "revolutionary reinforcements" from coming into the city.
Also Reuters is saying six police men dead from gunshots. It's basically a full on revolution now.


Until tanks start rolling over the crowds.
2014-02-18 04:13:10 PM  
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neversubmit: I have this delusion that we here in the USA can do better but I fear this is only a preview for the Untied States. Can hope be found between delusion and fear?


Well, let's see.  During all those months of OWS protesting, did the government kill 9 people?

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2014-02-18 04:10:05 PM  
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Yikes, I just saw someone engulfed in flames, luckily it looked like his buddies helped put him out.
rpl
2014-02-18 03:59:14 PM  
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Tenatra: Ecobuckeye: Tenatra: Does anyone know where they are fighting right now? I looked up a webcam feed of Kiev and Independence Square appears to just be filled with workers cleaning up debris

http://en.glaz.tv/online-webcams/kiev-ploschad-nezavisimosti

This confuses me. Explanation?

It is confusing the hell out of me as well - news reports throughout late Tuesday show the conflict is at Independence Square. According to the live feeds we are getting the protestors are still active on the streets. According to this cam of Independence Square it looks quiet.


Police broke through a few of the barricades, announced that women and children need to clear out. Probably gonna go into the actual square within a few hours.

Map of the area
2014-02-18 03:54:03 PM  
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Ecobuckeye: Tenatra: Does anyone know where they are fighting right now? I looked up a webcam feed of Kiev and Independence Square appears to just be filled with workers cleaning up debris

http://en.glaz.tv/online-webcams/kiev-ploschad-nezavisimosti

This confuses me. Explanation?


I think this camera is located above the "Dynamo" metro station, just up the hill from Maidan. The building in the background is the metro station entrance, Here are the google maps coordinates:

50.4507,30.52933

If correct, the authorities are cleaning up areas taken back from the occupiers.
2014-02-18 03:51:09 PM  
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Chris Ween: Tomahawk513: Chris Ween: Bit'O'Gristle: Are people in the Ukraine allowed to own weapons? i have not seen any yet.


/Anyone?

As an aside, all those people who talk about the 2d amendment not being a deterrent to tyranny, think of these protest where they don't have guns and still mange to get the attention of the government.

I hope they're not armed.  If they are, the body count would be a lot higher than 9, and it'd be very, very one-sided.

So, defending with rocks is better than defending with guns?  I beg to differ. What did we learn last week when Venezuela went up in flames?


Yes.  Because throwing rocks and lighting fires usually doesn't get you shot.  It might get you beat, but probably not shot.
2014-02-18 03:50:23 PM  
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The Kiev police have themselves an RV!
2014-02-18 03:49:53 PM  
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ciberido: Panty Sniffer: Chris Ween: God I loved the tshirts in China. It was all the rage to have English writing on your shirt. Coca-cola, Nike, whatever. However, the cheaper ones didn't have rights and didn't really care. So they'd put Cow and Grocery Store on the shirts and sell it to the hip kids.

Yes, that was one of my delights while living in China.  Kids wold wear the goofiest shirts, someone of them really vulgar and offensive, if they had English on them.  This even happened in HK where English is an official language.

As well as Korea, Mongolia, anywhere in Asia, really.  And I would bet it happens in many other non-English speaking countries as well.


I was in Bangkok a couple of years ago on business, staying at a ultra high-end hotel, and at breakfast I noticed one of the other customers--an obviously wealthy middle-aged Japanese businessman staying there with his middle-aged Japanese wife--who was wearing a t-shirt with a picture of a 9 mm Glock on it, and the words (in English): "GLOCK: When you absolutely, positively need to shoot some coont in the face."  I doubt he had much of a clue about what it actually said.
2014-02-18 03:46:57 PM  
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detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I have a friend there on vacation - he uploaded this to FB an hour or two ago:

[i.imgur.com image 447x576]

Looks like shiat just got real


Tell him to be careful.  Ukraine may be OK, but I've never been there; some countries get cranky with foreigners posting stuff that makes them look bad, especially when things are already tense.
2014-02-18 03:43:42 PM  
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Bit'O'Gristle: Are people in the Ukraine allowed to own weapons? i have not seen any yet.


/Anyone?


As an aside, all those people who talk about the 2d amendment not being a deterrent to tyranny, think of these protest where they don't have guns and still mange to get the attention of the government.
2014-02-18 03:39:15 PM  
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Panty Sniffer: Chris Ween: God I loved the tshirts in China. It was all the rage to have English writing on your shirt. Coca-cola, Nike, whatever. However, the cheaper ones didn't have rights and didn't really care. So they'd put Cow and Grocery Store on the shirts and sell it to the hip kids.

Yes, that was one of my delights while living in China.  Kids wold wear the goofiest shirts, someone of them really vulgar and offensive, if they had English on them.  This even happened in HK where English is an official language.


As well as Korea, Mongolia, anywhere in Asia, really.  And I would bet it happens in many other non-English speaking countries as well.
2014-02-18 03:38:01 PM  
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Chris Ween: MisterTweak: xaldin: French revolution, around 40k dead. American civil war around 750k dead. Armenian  Genocide around 1M dead. Russian civil war about 9M. Mao Zedon's regime in China around 40M dead.

9 dead? Please that's not even a rough night in an inner city.

The largest city in the US, New York City, including all the rough parts like Hunts Point, had 332 murders for the entire year of 2013. 9 in a day, just in a single event, is a lot, even for someplace like Houston.

This isn't even a war, either, it's just a protest.

Chicago had 9 in a day multiple times last year?  Or something like that.  I think.  CHICAGO SUCKS!


Chicago does not have an extremely high murder rate. It had a statistical spike in 2012, but it still wasn't a high rate compared to REALLY dangerous towns like Detroit, Memphis and New Orleans. Chicago's rate is about 18 per 100k, vs. 54 per 100k in Detroit. All that Murder Capital BS was just because Chicago has a very large population inside the city limits, and thus had a big raw number. Chicago's not ultra SAFE, now, not like New York City (5.1 per 100k), but it's not a war zone, either.
2014-02-18 03:33:38 PM  
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Bit'O'Gristle: Seriously, does ANYONE know what they are protesting? Inquiring minds want to know.


It's kind of a proxy war between the west and Russia.  The Ukrainians were hoping for closer ties to the west, and the current government ignored that and signed a customs agreement with Russia instead.  The west wants to get greater influence with Ukraine in order to curb Russian influence, and Russia sees that the Ukrainian border is only three hundred miles from Moscow, which would be kind of an existential threat in case that country decided they weren't quite friends any more.

The rioting starts from the western-leaning population, and I'm assuming all sides are mucking around in there.
2014-02-18 03:32:53 PM  
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www.midwestoutreach.org

Vodka burns.

2014-02-18 03:26:37 PM  
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Tarkus: That's nothing compared to the tyranny of the Obama regime.


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2014-02-18 03:23:25 PM  
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In before pinko right wingers start their relentless straw man... shoot, never mind.
2014-02-18 03:22:36 PM  
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rkiller1: JesusJuice: Take note, 99%ers. This is how you make a government listen.

How? With green lasers and hand-to-hand combat in the streets against armed authorities?  For sure, the government is listening but I suspect the protesters won't like their reply.


They offered the protest leaders seats in the government.

Each day the protests continue is costing the Ukraine government not just in terms of money, but international legitimacy. If you think this isn't harming the Ukrainian political establishment in a big way you're fooling yourself.
2014-02-18 03:19:06 PM  
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Slaxl: Is is reign in, or rein in?


Not sure but I believe it happened somewhere in Spain.
2014-02-18 03:16:52 PM  
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2014-02-18 03:15:38 PM  
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Chris Ween: God-is-a-Taco: Panty Sniffer: blatz514: bob_ross: Can we get some hot Ukraine women pics?/didn't read the explosion

How's this?

NSFW

Why did they paint themselves in English?

It's not that unusual to see, especially if the goal is to get international coverage.
Femen has been known to pay prostitutes and others to "protest" though, so they might not even understand English.

God I loved the tshirts in China.  It was all the rage to have English writing on your shirt.  Coca-cola, Nike, whatever.  However, the cheaper ones didn't have rights and didn't really care.  So they'd put Cow and Grocery Store on the shirts and sell it to the hip kids.


i.imgur.com
rpl
2014-02-18 03:14:55 PM  
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Wyldfire: So I did a little google searching before I decided to ask, but I'm assuming that is the ruling party's headquarters on fire...so who is that surrounding it? The protestors?  And who the hell is the guy talking?


This blog (difficulty: russian, lots of pics, some nsfw ones hidden under a link) says that it's the barricades that are burning not the buildings. The buildings are government (local, city hall iirc) that have been surrounded by and semi-occupied by the protesters since day one, i don't think either side would torch these.
2014-02-18 03:14:18 PM  
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That looks f'ing terrifying.

Like whitesnake concert terrifying.
2014-02-18 03:12:12 PM  
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My guess is two things could happen...1. the military doesnt do shiat because they know its on tv. or ..2. they dont give a fark and start shooting people because they can.
2014-02-18 03:06:30 PM  
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2014-02-18 02:59:37 PM  
1 votes:
I feel I should care but my week has been hell, I have no feeling anymore.
2014-02-18 02:53:05 PM  
1 votes:

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I have a friend there on vacation - he uploaded this to FB an hour or two ago:

[i.imgur.com image 447x576]

Looks like shiat just got real


Hope your friend bought the travel insurance.
2014-02-18 02:49:29 PM  
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bob_ross: Can we get some hot Ukraine women pics?/didn't read the explosion


Or this..

blog.bt-store.com
2014-02-18 02:47:56 PM  
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So I did a little google searching before I decided to ask, but I'm assuming that is the ruling party's headquarters on fire...so who is that surrounding it? The protestors?  And who the hell is the guy talking?
2014-02-18 02:46:31 PM  
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Lamest headline I've seen in a while. Oh yes, it "got real". As if it wasn't a serious issue already.
2014-02-18 02:45:34 PM  
1 votes:

ManateeGag: why hasn't Obama stopped the mayhem yet?!


Too many honkys
2014-02-18 02:45:23 PM  
1 votes:
Shiat....Kiev looks like it's in flames.
2014-02-18 02:43:51 PM  
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not sure that stream is live, i heard they burned the tents hours ago.
2014-02-18 02:42:57 PM  
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Without getting into who's right and wrong; I sympathize with the protesters. If I were in a position do decide between Putin's Russia and the European Union I'd already have the EU flag up. On one hand you have a collection of prosperous first-world countries that may be going through a tough time right now and on the other is a depressed and corrupted heart of a former superpower.

Not to mention the decades of repression the Eastern Bloc countries faced and surely their parents remember. While that may be a government long gone, the memory persists.
2014-02-18 02:42:16 PM  
1 votes:
green lasers are probably non-lethal active denial visual disruptors. aka "dazzlers"
2014-02-18 02:41:29 PM  
1 votes:

CheetahOlivetti: Who is talking, what is he saying, and why is there a laser light show?


Don't try to understand Ukranians until you've ridden shotgun
2014-02-18 02:41:19 PM  
1 votes:
I feel like this video is missing...... something.

Techno. It needs techno.
2014-02-18 02:38:36 PM  
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Mart Laar's beard shaver: Welcome to kickoff, plus 6 hours, Fark. It's been breaking all damn day.


Over here in "Merica we're on a time-delay. Thanks for not posting the spoilers.
2014-02-18 02:33:03 PM  
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You see? THIS is why I wanted that .gif of Putin smugly clapping at the Olympic opening ceremonies as the Ukraine team walked in.
2014-02-18 02:31:49 PM  
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Tarkus: That's nothing compared to the tyranny of the Obama regime.


Operation American Spring!*

*real Facebook group
2014-02-18 02:31:39 PM  
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i.chzbgr.com
2014-02-18 02:31:30 PM  
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m1ke: Isn't it "The" Ukraine?


Not since the Soviet Union collapsed. Now it's just "Ukraine".
2014-02-18 02:28:07 PM  
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I wonder what Putin will do to sweep it under the rug during his precious Olympics.
2014-02-18 02:27:42 PM  
1 votes:
Looks like the лайно is hitting the вентилятор
 
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