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2014-02-18 06:17:04 PM
I like the patriotic type Slavic songs they're sorta catchy.
 
2014-02-18 06:17:35 PM

Chris Ween: phimuskapsi: CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.


It's sort of on fire. Protests have begun but in much smaller numbers, when the general public joins in and there is video of fire, it'll be rotated in.

They need to save it for sweeps week. You can't compete with the Ukraine right now. The Iran thing took its turn before Egypt. Same as Dancing With The Stars and The Bachelor take turns


Always when something big hits the news our government pulls some bullshiat schenanigans.  Time to fire up the Google and see what's really going on
 
2014-02-18 06:17:35 PM

Daedalus27: CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.

It is tougher to get media out of there due to government suppression.  Ukraine is relatively free and open media with ready access to the outside world with the worlds media attention a couple hundred miles away.  Venezuela is an isolated outpost being dominated by a single party with strict media controls so the images we get out are difficult to verify.  That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

There have also been some attacks in Northwest China but we don't hear much about that because it is China.


It feels as if the world was on fire right now.
 
2014-02-18 06:18:35 PM

Tigger: Daedalus27: CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.

It is tougher to get media out of there due to government suppression.  Ukraine is relatively free and open media with ready access to the outside world with the worlds media attention a couple hundred miles away.  Venezuela is an isolated outpost being dominated by a single party with strict media controls so the images we get out are difficult to verify.  That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

There have also been some attacks in Northwest China but we don't hear much about that because it is China.

If this is an attempt to steer the thread into a discussion of the relative merits of Venezuelan vs Ukrainian chicks then it was brilliantly done.


I like girls, but, I don't think this might be the best thread for that.
 
2014-02-18 06:22:27 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Chris Ween: phimuskapsi: CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.


It's sort of on fire. Protests have begun but in much smaller numbers, when the general public joins in and there is video of fire, it'll be rotated in.

They need to save it for sweeps week. You can't compete with the Ukraine right now. The Iran thing took its turn before Egypt. Same as Dancing With The Stars and The Bachelor take turns

Always when something big hits the news our government pulls some bullshiat schenanigans.  Time to fire up the Google and see what's really going on


Good point. What military operation is Obama doing now?
 
2014-02-18 06:22:39 PM

CygnusDarius: spawn73:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/business/greek-government-forecast s- budget-surplus.html

Well, Greece claims that they might have a budget surplus in 2014 for the first time in 6 years. Who knows. Spain announced it would take them 20 years for their economy to have regained the pre-crisis levels. Which, whilst depressing, is still good in a way.

Northern Europe, ie. Benelux, Germany, Denmark/Sweden/Finland + the Baltic states is storming ahead though. Germany, last I read, has an export surplus equal to that of China, which is kinda sick when you consider the differences in population.

But the Fox News people keep telling me the EU is doomed to die because socialism.


http://www.gulfinthemedia.com/index.php?m=gcc_press&id=2270141&cnt=1 71 &lang=en&PHPSESSID

The growth is obviously uneven, with Southern-Europe not exactly storming ahead, but more seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

But it's not just Fox News, it seems to be universal across American news media that the EUs economy is somehow doing poorly, despite it actually doing good, especially compared to USA and China.

A supposedly left-wing show like the Daily Show, which I watch, always echoes this sentiment as if it was just a factual truth. I wonder what the motive is, well, because socialism, but why doesn't more critical medias pick up on that the EU is actually fine and sound. Greece is seemingly, against all the so called "experts" predictions saved, and still in the EU, and the Euro zone. The Euro is doing just fine as always (look at its strenght vs. the US dollar).

Yet, I bet, it'll all be doom and gloom for the EU for the next 10+ years irregardless.
 
2014-02-18 06:26:03 PM

Chris Ween: Smeggy Smurf: Chris Ween: phimuskapsi: CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.


It's sort of on fire. Protests have begun but in much smaller numbers, when the general public joins in and there is video of fire, it'll be rotated in.

They need to save it for sweeps week. You can't compete with the Ukraine right now. The Iran thing took its turn before Egypt. Same as Dancing With The Stars and The Bachelor take turns

Always when something big hits the news our government pulls some bullshiat schenanigans.  Time to fire up the Google and see what's really going on

Good point. What military operation is Obama doing now?


Nothing I'm aware of.  But there's been a lot of unusual domestic training lately.
 
2014-02-18 06:27:17 PM
I'm pulling for you Ukrainians, but y'all gotta go attend a throwing academy. I have yet to see a rock or molotov thrown properly. Y'all are gonna hurt yourselves.
 
2014-02-18 06:28:30 PM

Daedalus27: That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.


Don't let them hear you say that.

To hear them talk, everyone in South America is of pure Spanish descent.

Except the Argentines. They've also got Germans.
 
2014-02-18 06:30:37 PM

ole prophet: So what's the O/U on the timeframe we are right back here because the "protesters" installed their own totalitarian government? 6 months or a year?


Weeks. I think that's the point of the exercise for Svoboda. Those guys with the three-fingers-up flag?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25571805

That's them.

http://www.dw.de/ukrainians-veer-toward-right-wing-nationalism/a-164 46 159

That's them.

http://www.academia.edu/2481420/_The_Return_of_the_Ukrainian_Far_Rig ht _The_Case_of_VO_Svoboda_in_Ruth_Wodak_and_John_E._Richardson_eds._Anal yzing_Fascist_Discourse_European_Fascism_in_Talk_and_Text_London_and_N ew_York_Routledge_2013_228-255

That's them.

I didn't want to slap up links from Russian sites (very biased) or from anarchist and leftist sites (very biased), so BBC and Deutsche Welle They're an unreformed, made-over, National Socialist party. They've rebranded, and it's working. They might call themselves "Freedom", but that's not what they're after. And they aren't the most extreme ones, either. Some of the neo-Nazis taking part in  Euromaidan aren't bothering to hide it.

It isn't that everyone or even most of the people who are rising up against the government in Ukraine are some kind of ultranationalists or neo-Nazis. it isn't that at all. But the crowd hasn't exactly kicked them out, either.
 
2014-02-18 06:31:09 PM
I wonder how RT is covering this Ukrainian thing or are they too busy telling us what wrong with the US.
 
2014-02-18 06:31:43 PM
So when does Sean Connery pull a Crazy Ivan?
 
2014-02-18 06:31:48 PM

This text is now purple: Daedalus27: That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

Don't let them hear you say that.

To hear them talk, everyone in South America is of pure Spanish descent.

Except the Argentines. They've also got Germans.


It's funny that Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay feel more like Europe, Brazil has a shiat-ton of nationality blend, and even in Mexico there's parts of the country that's a lot of people of German/Lebanese heritage.
 
2014-02-18 06:32:37 PM

Chris Ween: [i586.photobucket.com image 500x340]


OK, that's GOT to be 'shopped...or it has one AWESOME story behind it...
 
2014-02-18 06:33:20 PM

danzak: http://www.maidanhotspot.com/watch-maidan-live


which one is playing the Trooper and which one has Aces High?
 
2014-02-18 06:33:47 PM

CygnusDarius: This text is now purple: Daedalus27: That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

Don't let them hear you say that.

To hear them talk, everyone in South America is of pure Spanish descent.

Except the Argentines. They've also got Germans.

It's funny that Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay feel more like Europe, Brazil has a shiat-ton of nationality blend, and even in Mexico there's parts of the country that's a lot of people of German/Lebanese heritage.


You can thank Otto Skorzeny for some of that.

(re-reading Arms of Krupp atm)
 
2014-02-18 06:34:01 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I'm pulling for you Ukrainians, but y'all gotta go attend a throwing academy. I have yet to see a rock or molotov thrown properly. Y'all are gonna hurt yourselves.


I was actually thinking the same thing.  Those bricks they are lugging are pretty big.  Smash them in half and get some distance on the guys in the back with their shields down.  Or, if you are going to use a big one, don't shot put it in the air for them to turtle with their shields.  Go for the shins (knees are protected).

/Internet Tough Guy rant done
//Sorry for bringing stupidity in to a serious situation
///Did notice it, though
 
2014-02-18 06:34:40 PM

CygnusDarius: This text is now purple: Daedalus27: That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

Don't let them hear you say that.

To hear them talk, everyone in South America is of pure Spanish descent.

Except the Argentines. They've also got Germans.

It's funny that Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay feel more like Europe, Brazil has a shiat-ton of nationality blend, and even in Mexico there's parts of the country that's a lot of people of German/Lebanese heritage.


It helps that Buenos Aires was built by french architects for sure.
 
2014-02-18 06:34:49 PM
All of the irrelevant tired old jokes having anything to do with the Ukraine have now been made in this thread, can all the morons leave now?
 
2014-02-18 06:36:15 PM

Valeriyance: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I'm pulling for you Ukrainians, but y'all gotta go attend a throwing academy. I have yet to see a rock or molotov thrown properly. Y'all are gonna hurt yourselves.

I was actually thinking the same thing.  Those bricks they are lugging are pretty big.  Smash them in half and get some distance on the guys in the back with their shields down.  Or, if you are going to use a big one, don't shot put it in the air for them to turtle with their shields.  Go for the shins (knees are protected).

/Internet Tough Guy rant done
//Sorry for bringing stupidity in to a serious situation
///Did notice it, though


Not stupid. I agree with everything you said.
 
2014-02-18 06:37:51 PM

That's 'Master Troll' to You: All of the irrelevant tired old jokes having anything to do with the Ukraine have now been made in this thread, can all the morons leave now?


This site would become a ghost town...Nobody would be left except for Pocket Ninja...
 
2014-02-18 06:39:25 PM

Mayostard: I keep seeing tires being tossed into the fires.
Where are they getting all of those tires? It's like they have an unlimited supply.


Many people don't know this but, they have an army of Michelin Man clones specifically for these occasions.
/Love your handle
/I prefer Mustardayonnaise
 
2014-02-18 06:42:06 PM

That's 'Master Troll' to You: All of the irrelevant tired old jokes having anything to do with the Ukraine have now been made in this thread, can all the morons leave now?


I made a joke.

Anyway, I had to look up what the fihhtin
 
2014-02-18 06:43:10 PM
Ugh stupid phone.

I had to have someone explain the fighting to me. It sounds like Ukrainians want to be Ukrainians and not Russians.
 
2014-02-18 06:44:13 PM

grimnir: ole prophet: So what's the O/U on the timeframe we are right back here because the "protesters" installed their own totalitarian government? 6 months or a year?

Weeks. I think that's the point of the exercise for Svoboda. Those guys with the three-fingers-up flag?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25571805

That's them.

http://www.dw.de/ukrainians-veer-toward-right-wing-nationalism/a-164 46 159

That's them.

http://www.academia.edu/2481420/_The_Return_of_the_Ukrainian_Far_Rig ht _The_Case_of_VO_Svoboda_in_Ruth_Wodak_and_John_E._Richardson_eds._Anal yzing_Fascist_Discourse_European_Fascism_in_Talk_and_Text_London_and_N ew_York_Routledge_2013_228-255

That's them.

I didn't want to slap up links from Russian sites (very biased) or from anarchist and leftist sites (very biased), so BBC and Deutsche Welle They're an unreformed, made-over, National Socialist party. They've rebranded, and it's working. They might call themselves "Freedom", but that's not what they're after. And they aren't the most extreme ones, either. Some of the neo-Nazis taking part in  Euromaidan aren't bothering to hide it.

It isn't that everyone or even most of the people who are rising up against the government in Ukraine are some kind of ultranationalists or neo-Nazis. it isn't that at all. But the crowd hasn't exactly kicked them out, either.


So what you're saying is that shiat will go from bad to worse?

Excellent.
 
2014-02-18 06:46:06 PM

rkiller1: 2headedboy: FREE healthcare

"Free" as in nobody is paying for it, or "free" that somebody else is footing the bill, just not you?


See, I can pay into a system that make sure another person doesn't go bankrupt when he gets sick or injured, so that he can keep paying into the same system that makes sure I don't go bankrupt when I get sick or injured.

Or, I can pay into a system that promises that, then reneges because of "pre-existing contidtions".

Or, I can not pay into such a system, and if I'm poor, I'm screwed if I get sick or injured, and if I'm rich, I can praise myself for pulling myself up by my bootstraps.

I can see where such a decision is difficult because of the poors getting that way solely because of bad decisions and in no way due to luck or losing out in the genetic lottery.
 
2014-02-18 06:46:57 PM

phimuskapsi: What the fark is going on with the feed? Is anyone else hearing strangely upbeat music being played over the shots of Kiev burning? Did the State just decide that's the best way of handling it??


It's better than the Yakety Sax they had playing earlier...

/kidding
//hope it works out over there
 
2014-02-18 06:48:02 PM
Oldstyler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q4TaZyKv3Y#t=37 Hardcore stuff

31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-18 06:49:02 PM

grimnir: ole prophet: So what's the O/U on the timeframe we are right back here because the "protesters" installed their own totalitarian government? 6 months or a year?

Weeks. I think that's the point of the exercise for Svoboda. Those guys with the three-fingers-up flag?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25571805

That's them.

http://www.dw.de/ukrainians-veer-toward-right-wing-nationalism/a-164 46 159

That's them.

http://www.academia.edu/2481420/_The_Return_of_the_Ukrainian_Far_Rig ht _The_Case_of_VO_Svoboda_in_Ruth_Wodak_and_John_E._Richardson_eds._Anal yzing_Fascist_Discourse_European_Fascism_in_Talk_and_Text_London_and_N ew_York_Routledge_2013_228-255

That's them.

I didn't want to slap up links from Russian sites (very biased) or from anarchist and leftist sites (very biased), so BBC and Deutsche Welle They're an unreformed, made-over, National Socialist party. They've rebranded, and it's working. They might call themselves "Freedom", but that's not what they're after. And they aren't the most extreme ones, either. Some of the neo-Nazis taking part in  Euromaidan aren't bothering to hide it.

It isn't that everyone or even most of the people who are rising up against the government in Ukraine are some kind of ultranationalists or neo-Nazis. it isn't that at all. But the crowd hasn't exactly kicked them out, either.


That sorta is how revolutions go and why anyone that really wants one is freakin' crazy.
 
2014-02-18 07:02:44 PM

orezona: grimnir: ole prophet: So what's the O/U on the timeframe we are right back here because the "protesters" installed their own totalitarian government? 6 months or a year?

Weeks. I think that's the point of the exercise for Svoboda. Those guys with the three-fingers-up flag?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25571805

That's them.

http://www.dw.de/ukrainians-veer-toward-right-wing-nationalism/a-164 46 159

That's them.

http://www.academia.edu/2481420/_The_Return_of_the_Ukrainian_Far_Rig ht _The_Case_of_VO_Svoboda_in_Ruth_Wodak_and_John_E._Richardson_eds._Anal yzing_Fascist_Discourse_European_Fascism_in_Talk_and_Text_London_and_N ew_York_Routledge_2013_228-255

That's them.

I didn't want to slap up links from Russian sites (very biased) or from anarchist and leftist sites (very biased), so BBC and Deutsche Welle They're an unreformed, made-over, National Socialist party. They've rebranded, and it's working. They might call themselves "Freedom", but that's not what they're after. And they aren't the most extreme ones, either. Some of the neo-Nazis taking part in  Euromaidan aren't bothering to hide it.

It isn't that everyone or even most of the people who are rising up against the government in Ukraine are some kind of ultranationalists or neo-Nazis. it isn't that at all. But the crowd hasn't exactly kicked them out, either.

So what you're saying is that shiat will go from bad to worse?

Excellent.


Or they're just useful in the current circumstances. I don't think the Orange Revolution was right-wing, they leaned heavily on the socialists and communists. Yushenko and Tymoshenko were possibly bad administrators, though, and I don't see a lot of right-wing influence. If this group of protestors and/or the movement as a whole (generalized) are anything like the makeup of that previous group the ultranationalists and weirdo right-wingers aren't really going to be an issue.

Mostly worry about competence if the protests succeed. I'm not sure  Klitschko is the best solution.
 
2014-02-18 07:07:12 PM
 
2014-02-18 07:11:47 PM
what a mess

should be the breadbasket of europe

instead......

meh
 
2014-02-18 07:16:43 PM
tinfoil-hat maggie
That sorta is how revolutions go and why anyone that really wants one is freakin' crazy.

A bad peace is even worse than war.
 
2014-02-18 07:25:51 PM
 
2014-02-18 07:29:20 PM

dr_blasto: If this group of protestors and/or the movement as a whole (generalized) are anything like the makeup of that previous group the ultranationalists and weirdo right-wingers aren't really going to be an issue.


I hope not. I'd suspect the weirdo rightwingers are useful muscle to be discarded by the larger movement and the larger opposition parties, like the RNE were in Russia in 1993. Given that issues of national identity and national self-determination are central to the whole Euromaidan movement, though, ultranationalists might gain support that they otherwise wouldn't, especially in the atmosphere of revolution. It might be harder to get rid of them after this.

You've got a good point about competence. Klitschko's charisma, fame, and popularity might be enough to get him elected, but none of those things run a country. Unless he's going to solve Ukraine's problems with Russia by getting in the ring with Putin, I'm not sure he has the necessary skills and experience for the job. If he falls on his face, then what? Then whom?

I wish I knew more about this. I've been living under a rock for several years now ;-)
 
2014-02-18 07:30:33 PM

Chris Ween: The Kiev police have themselves an RV!


Where the hell is Innsbruck?

www.screeninsults.com

/Barnicke?
 
2014-02-18 07:32:26 PM
So has anything changed there? It looks like it's a standoff at this point but not much going on.

Also, what's burning for so long?
 
2014-02-18 07:35:26 PM

indylaw: So has anything changed there? It looks like it's a standoff at this point but not much going on.

Also, what's burning for so long?


Ah, molten tires.
 
2014-02-18 07:35:39 PM
BoysAvenge meAvenge me!
 
2014-02-18 07:36:37 PM
What is that guy on the crane doing to that building?  Is he a protester?
 
2014-02-18 07:37:54 PM
With the loud speakers in the background I can't help but think:

"ALL GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA"
 
2014-02-18 07:38:13 PM
it's firefighters
 
2014-02-18 07:39:06 PM
The guy speaking now is trying to direct the firefighters and telling Berkut not to shoot them
 
2014-02-18 07:42:41 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Chris Ween: Tarkus: That's nothing compared to the tyranny of the Obama regime.

I read that as tranny.  Suddenly that DHS chick looked really suspicious.


i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-18 07:42:42 PM
They are asking the riot police to arrest their own commanders and join with the protest.
 
2014-02-18 07:43:10 PM

danzak: The guy speaking now is trying to direct the firefighters and telling Berkut not to shoot them


Well, at least they won't hurt the FFs trying to put out the building fires...
 
2014-02-18 07:44:42 PM

NEDM: Video of an APC getting molotoved.


When you said molotaved (plural) you weren't kidding, damn. It has got to be scary as hell to be in all that mess.
 
2014-02-18 07:50:08 PM
From Polish News, they are starting to shut down power to all the lights in Kiev...
 
2014-02-18 07:53:51 PM
More, according to Klitschko, the president has demanded evacuation of Majdan and for the police to no longer withhold their strength.
 
2014-02-18 08:00:17 PM
Well, you tell Ukraine we're not going to commit to a missile shield to help protect you in case, oh, I don't know, Putin gets a little bit upset if Team Russia doesn't win gold in men's hockey and decides to extol his anger on his neighbors, and leave them to their own devices with a big fark you and this is what you get.
 
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