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2014-02-18 05:26:58 PM  
I guess the SoCheap 2014 Olympics was giving Putin too much direct attention.
 
2014-02-18 05:27:18 PM  

cc_rider: Updates and links here:

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/police-advance-on-euromaidan- f ollowing-a-government-ultimatum-live-updates-337067.html


Now, with working link!

http://tinyurl.com/o2r8ygu
 
2014-02-18 05:27:48 PM  
God damn, if you remove the fireworks the live-feed looks like real, actual, Dante hell right now.
 
2014-02-18 05:28:59 PM  
Wow , I thought I would never get to see a real medieval siege..
 
2014-02-18 05:29:16 PM  

dfacto: God damn, if you remove the fireworks the live-feed looks like real, actual, Dante hell right now.


Have these up side by side on the second monitor:

http://www.livestation.com/en/reuters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4
 
2014-02-18 05:30:03 PM  

orezona: No doubt the protestors are throwing Molotovs now!


ha ha..... the protesters have been throwing molotovs in Ukraine for about 3 weeks.
 
2014-02-18 05:32:27 PM  

cc_rider: cc_rider: Updates and links here:

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/police-advance-on-euromaidan- f ollowing-a-government-ultimatum-live-updates-337067.html

Now, with working link!

http://tinyurl.com/o2r8ygu


Grrr...it even worked in the preview ^. One more time and if it doesn't work, I'll give up. Don't know why it's being such a ho.


Police advance on EuroMaidan at night after government ultimatum (VIDEO, LIVE UPDATES)
 
rpl
2014-02-18 05:32:36 PM  

Naatje: Snipers are shooting at the people on the stage.  They called a medic to the stage.


I think the medic might be for the cop. I heard the guy say something about 'shoot' and 'stage' but there didn't seem to be any followup to that
 
2014-02-18 05:34:03 PM  
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2014-02-18 05:35:09 PM  

Naatje: Snipers are shooting at the people on the stage.  They called a medic to the stage.


My russian's not too good, but I think I just heard the medic on the stage say something about the brown acid.
 
2014-02-18 05:37:09 PM  

Chris Ween: Bit'O'Gristle: Are people in the Ukraine allowed to own weapons? i have not seen any yet.


/Anyone?

As an aside, all those people who talk about the 2d amendment not being a deterrent to tyranny, think of these protest where they don't have guns and still mange to get the attention of the government.


If the protesters brought out guns, there'd be a massacre.  Troops and riot police in full body bullet proof?  There'd be thousands dead.
 
2014-02-18 05:39:31 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: rkiller1: 2headedboy: FREE healthcare

"Free" as in nobody is paying for it, or "free" that somebody else is footing the bill, just not you?


Even under private health insurance, the average policy holder receives much less in services than they pay in premiums. That's the only way insurance CAN work. So yes, in most people's experiences you are indeed footing the bill for somebody else.

The goal should be to minimize administrative expenses and fraud. Medicare and Medicaid are actually exceptionally good at the former, less so at the latter, but not enough to offset the administrative savings.

Fifteen years ago I worked for a physician billing company here in MA. We had two people handling just BCBS, a single commercial carrier. We had dozens more handling the rest. Meanwhile, the little old lady who processed both Medicare and Medicaid claims spent half her day sipping tea. Christ, we could have run that company on six people if there was single payor.


Thanks for understanding my point and making additional good ones.   I just don't understand the fiction that anything from any government is without costs.
 
2014-02-18 05:41:26 PM  

make me some tea: rkiller1: I mean the lasers are cool and all, but what are the protesters' goals?  Anyone know what they want?  Freedom? Economic redistribution? Cake?

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE EVEN PROTESTING ABOUT


It's one those deals, where ran out of McNuggets at Micky D's, and the people were pissed and called 911, and this the result.  So it's important.
 
2014-02-18 05:42:35 PM  
Oh shiat, that's a building on fire now.
 
2014-02-18 05:42:51 PM  

Naatje: They just set water cannon on fire and another is on the way.


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2014-02-18 05:43:30 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Chris Ween: Bit'O'Gristle: Are people in the Ukraine allowed to own weapons? i have not seen any yet.


/Anyone?

As an aside, all those people who talk about the 2d amendment not being a deterrent to tyranny, think of these protest where they don't have guns and still mange to get the attention of the government.

If the protesters brought out guns, there'd be a massacre.  Troops and riot police in full body bullet proof?  There'd be thousands dead.


You mean... you mean the right-wing fantasy of fighting off tyranny in the manner of Red Dawn might not be completely grounded in reality? But that grim-jawed Patrick Swayze looks so bold and determined!
 
2014-02-18 05:44:11 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Wow , I thought I would never get to see a real medieval siege..


"You think it will work?"

"It will take a miracle."
 
2014-02-18 05:45:25 PM  
Multiple feeds here:

http://www.maidanhotspot.com/watch-maidan-live
 
2014-02-18 05:45:31 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Oldstyler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q4TaZyKv3Y#t=37  Hardcore stuff

You do not want to be a cop in that city right now.


Damn.
 
2014-02-18 05:46:08 PM  

orezona: Oh shiat, that's a building on fire now.


Saw that too. I'll have to catch up after I get home.

Has anyone heard of similar "attacks" in other cities in Ukraine? BBC mentioned a report of one in Lviv, but I can't find anything on Google.
 
2014-02-18 05:47:14 PM  

zimbomba63: make me some tea: rkiller1: I mean the lasers are cool and all, but what are the protesters' goals?  Anyone know what they want?  Freedom? Economic redistribution? Cake?

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE EVEN PROTESTING ABOUT

It's one those deals, where ran out of McNuggets at Micky D's, and the people were pissed and called 911, and this the result.  So it's important.


They like to protest. One of the cool things about being free. Then the politicians passed a law banning protests.
 
2014-02-18 05:47:36 PM  

sovietski: orezona: Oh shiat, that's a building on fire now.

Saw that too. I'll have to catch up after I get home.

Has anyone heard of similar "attacks" in other cities in Ukraine? BBC mentioned a report of one in Lviv, but I can't find anything on Google.


Lviv, Ternopil and Ivanovo Frankivsk is what heard.
 
2014-02-18 05:50:05 PM  

danzak: sovietski:
Has anyone heard of similar "attacks" in other cities in Ukraine? BBC mentioned a report of one in Lviv, but I can't find anything on Google.

Lviv, Ternopil and Ivanovo Frankivsk is what heard.


All you need is Lviv.
 
2014-02-18 05:50:42 PM  
Also search for Euromaidan in English and Ukrainian Revolution 2013 - Live Updates groups on Facebook. They provide some good updates in English.

Slava Ukraini
 
2014-02-18 05:51:07 PM  

MBooda: danzak: sovietski:
Has anyone heard of similar "attacks" in other cities in Ukraine? BBC mentioned a report of one in Lviv, but I can't find anything on Google.

Lviv, Ternopil and Ivanovo Frankivsk is what heard.

All you need is Lviv.


You say you want a revolution?
 
2014-02-18 05:51:45 PM  
I hope the girls of MET Art are safe.
 
2014-02-18 05:52:44 PM  

Super Chronic: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Chris Ween: Bit'O'Gristle: Are people in the Ukraine allowed to own weapons? i have not seen any yet.


/Anyone?

As an aside, all those people who talk about the 2d amendment not being a deterrent to tyranny, think of these protest where they don't have guns and still mange to get the attention of the government.

If the protesters brought out guns, there'd be a massacre.  Troops and riot police in full body bullet proof?  There'd be thousands dead.

You mean... you mean the right-wing fantasy of fighting off tyranny in the manner of Red Dawn might not be completely grounded in reality? But that grim-jawed Patrick Swayze looks so bold and determined!


We're not going to be stupid enough to engage a heavily armed force head on in a city.  What that calls for now is smoke bombs, napalm and silly putty
 
2014-02-18 05:52:49 PM  
Hearing the priests really give it an apocalyptic feel. I mean, even more so than just the video
 
2014-02-18 05:53:27 PM  
Protests starting in Eastern Ukraine too again, with over 5000 in Kharkiv. This is the beginning of the end of this. next few days will be rough, but this was incredibly dumb on Yanukovich's part. He has left himself no way out now other than all out war, which he will lose eventually, but more blood will be spilled
 
2014-02-18 05:53:31 PM  
More tear gas grenades going off?
 
2014-02-18 05:53:51 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: I hope the girls of MET Art are safe.


Much like priceless art and national treasures, I'm sure they have all been whisked away for safe hiding.
 
2014-02-18 05:54:07 PM  
So what's the O/U on the timeframe we are right back here because the "protesters" installed their own totalitarian government? 6 months or a year?
 
2014-02-18 05:54:27 PM  

MBooda: danzak: sovietski:
Has anyone heard of similar "attacks" in other cities in Ukraine? BBC mentioned a report of one in Lviv, but I can't find anything on Google.

Lviv, Ternopil and Ivanovo Frankivsk is what heard.

All you need is Lviv.


It's pronounced, 'Luba'

99covers.com
 
2014-02-18 05:56:18 PM  
Is it me or does it seem like a lot of people left and they have been pulling back away from the cops...?
 
2014-02-18 05:56:22 PM  

ole prophet: So what's the O/U on the timeframe we are right back here because the "protesters" installed their own totalitarian government? 6 months or a year?


The Orange Revolution lead to this. That was 5 years ago?
 
2014-02-18 05:56:55 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: spawn73: Ukraine isn't elligeble for EU membership. It was a tradeagreement that was on the table, which Russia felt would flood the Russian market with made in EU goods, which Russian made products couldn't compete with (I don't know whether Putin felt it was because Russian stuff is crap, expensive or perhaps both).

EU has whethered the crisis fine btw., there's real BNP growth now, on average. Which is to say some nations, ie. the usual suspects, are still not doing so well. The EU as a whole is doing just fine though.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant to be closer, not to join, and to do so in an enthusiastic manner.

Good to hear the EU is doing better, it's been all Olympics all the time on the national news and I've lost track since the Greek crisis wasn't so loud but I recall the overall EU economy being described as pretty flat at the time.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/business/greek-government-forecast s- budget-surplus.html

Well, Greece claims that they might have a budget surplus in 2014 for the first time in 6 years. Who knows. Spain announced it would take them 20 years for their economy to have regained the pre-crisis levels. Which, whilst depressing, is still good in a way.

Northern Europe, ie. Benelux, Germany, Denmark/Sweden/Finland + the Baltic states is storming ahead though. Germany, last I read, has an export surplus equal to that of China, which is kinda sick when you consider the differences in population.
 
2014-02-18 05:57:24 PM  
And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.
 
2014-02-18 05:59:15 PM  
That building fire will give the authorities the greenlight to clear the square. I recall that building had a large hammer and sickle decoration on it as last as 2000. Wonder if it is still there
 
2014-02-18 05:59:16 PM  

spawn73: The Irresponsible Captain: spawn73: Ukraine isn't elligeble for EU membership. It was a tradeagreement that was on the table, which Russia felt would flood the Russian market with made in EU goods, which Russian made products couldn't compete with (I don't know whether Putin felt it was because Russian stuff is crap, expensive or perhaps both).

EU has whethered the crisis fine btw., there's real BNP growth now, on average. Which is to say some nations, ie. the usual suspects, are still not doing so well. The EU as a whole is doing just fine though.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant to be closer, not to join, and to do so in an enthusiastic manner.

Good to hear the EU is doing better, it's been all Olympics all the time on the national news and I've lost track since the Greek crisis wasn't so loud but I recall the overall EU economy being described as pretty flat at the time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/business/greek-government-forecast s- budget-surplus.html

Well, Greece claims that they might have a budget surplus in 2014 for the first time in 6 years. Who knows. Spain announced it would take them 20 years for their economy to have regained the pre-crisis levels. Which, whilst depressing, is still good in a way.

Northern Europe, ie. Benelux, Germany, Denmark/Sweden/Finland + the Baltic states is storming ahead though. Germany, last I read, has an export surplus equal to that of China, which is kinda sick when you consider the differences in population.


But the Fox News people keep telling me the EU is doomed to die because socialism.
 
2014-02-18 05:59:20 PM  
static01.nyt.com
 
2014-02-18 06:00:20 PM  

zerkalo: Hearing the priests really give it an apocalyptic feel. I mean, even more so than just the video


For real..
 
2014-02-18 06:04:01 PM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: The west didn't care when Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians back in the day, so why should we care now?


The bastion of truth, the New York Times reported that there was no problem, when that happened.
 
2014-02-18 06:05:42 PM  
From BBC:

'The #Kiev trade union building, #euromaidan /opposition HQ for months, is now burning. Is #Ukraine 's government fighting fire with fire? '

Man speaking says people are trapped on the 9th floor by smoke
 
2014-02-18 06:06:06 PM  

CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.



It's sort of on fire. Protests have begun but in much smaller numbers, when the general public joins in and there is video of fire, it'll be rotated in.
 
2014-02-18 06:07:44 PM  

neversubmit: I have this delusion that we here in the USA can do better but I fear this is only a preview for the Untied States. Can hope be found between delusion and fear?


Whatever!
 
2014-02-18 06:07:46 PM  

CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.


It is tougher to get media out of there due to government suppression.  Ukraine is relatively free and open media with ready access to the outside world with the worlds media attention a couple hundred miles away.  Venezuela is an isolated outpost being dominated by a single party with strict media controls so the images we get out are difficult to verify.  That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

There have also been some attacks in Northwest China but we don't hear much about that because it is China.
 
2014-02-18 06:08:08 PM  

CygnusDarius: spawn73: The Irresponsible Captain: spawn73: Ukraine isn't elligeble for EU membership. It was a tradeagreement that was on the table, which Russia felt would flood the Russian market with made in EU goods, which Russian made products couldn't compete with (I don't know whether Putin felt it was because Russian stuff is crap, expensive or perhaps both).

EU has whethered the crisis fine btw., there's real BNP growth now, on average. Which is to say some nations, ie. the usual suspects, are still not doing so well. The EU as a whole is doing just fine though.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant to be closer, not to join, and to do so in an enthusiastic manner.

Good to hear the EU is doing better, it's been all Olympics all the time on the national news and I've lost track since the Greek crisis wasn't so loud but I recall the overall EU economy being described as pretty flat at the time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/business/greek-government-forecast s- budget-surplus.html

Well, Greece claims that they might have a budget surplus in 2014 for the first time in 6 years. Who knows. Spain announced it would take them 20 years for their economy to have regained the pre-crisis levels. Which, whilst depressing, is still good in a way.

Northern Europe, ie. Benelux, Germany, Denmark/Sweden/Finland + the Baltic states is storming ahead though. Germany, last I read, has an export surplus equal to that of China, which is kinda sick when you consider the differences in population.

But the Fox News people keep telling me the EU is doomed to die because socialism.


Just remember WW! started in a way when Austria-Hungry took Bosnia-Herzegovina from the Turks.Serbs wanted it Russians supported Serbs. The whole allice system kicked of by August the first great war : /

/I might be getting worried about all these Eastren Euro old Warsaw Pact satellite countries wanting to go EU and NATO.
 
2014-02-18 06:11:16 PM  

Chris Ween: neversubmit: I have this delusion that we here in the USA can do better but I fear this is only a preview for the Untied States. Can hope be found between delusion and fear?

Well, let's see.  During all those months of OWS protesting, did the government kill 9 people?

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I think they kicked the Masters in Puppetry guy in the balls, so there's that.

/ Admit it, you wanted to kick him in the balls, too.
 
2014-02-18 06:13:55 PM  

Daedalus27: CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.

It is tougher to get media out of there due to government suppression.  Ukraine is relatively free and open media with ready access to the outside world with the worlds media attention a couple hundred miles away.  Venezuela is an isolated outpost being dominated by a single party with strict media controls so the images we get out are difficult to verify.  That and this has white people fighting and dying and Venezuela involves primarily brown people.

There have also been some attacks in Northwest China but we don't hear much about that because it is China.


If this is an attempt to steer the thread into a discussion of the relative merits of Venezuelan vs Ukrainian chicks then it was brilliantly done.
 
2014-02-18 06:14:37 PM  

phimuskapsi: CygnusDarius: And Venezuela's also on fire, but not a lot of people care.


It's sort of on fire. Protests have begun but in much smaller numbers, when the general public joins in and there is video of fire, it'll be rotated in.


They need to save it for sweeps week. You can't compete with the Ukraine right now. The Iran thing took its turn before Egypt. Same as Dancing With The Stars and The Bachelor take turns
 
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