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(Politico)   GA lawmakers introduce bill to protect gun owners who "accidentally" carry a gun into an airport. "A lot of people carry a weapon. It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have {it}"   (m.politico.com) divider line 402
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2014-02-18 04:53:20 PM  

mcmnky: If you really believe that, and you are a gun owner, I fear for the safety of those around you.

"You pretty much have to assume anyone caught with a gun at security had no bad purpose"

So we should have no law enforcement? No penalties for breaking the law?


Those two statements are unrelated. In THIS PARTICULAR RARE INSTANCE, it's reasonable to assume the people who show up with weapons in their luggage have no ill intent. Because they actually question those people, and take them to court, and guess what? None of them are crooks or terrorists. 

Anyone with criminal intent knows they will be caught, so they don't break the law. Any one who breaks the law must be innocent since they clearly had no criminal intent. Do you really not see the logical contradictions in that way of thinking?

AGAIN, I'm talking about airport security ONLY. People obey the law in proportion to their sense of whether they can get away with it. No one with the slightest brain thinks they can get away with smuggling guns onto an airplane, so QED, the people who DO wind up with guns at the security checkpoint must either be the world's dumbest criminals, or people who brought them there unintentionally. Show me ONE instance of the TSA ever apprehending a would-be terrorist at a security checkpoint because of an attempt to smuggle aboard a weapon. It never happens. All they do is stop STUFF from coming aboard, none of which was intended to do any harm. You'll note that none of those people arrested at Hartsfield for trying to bring a gun through security were ever charged with any other offense.

"The law isn't intended to discourage concealed weapons carry and enforce responsibility" So you agree this isn't a 2nd amendment issue. Then what is it? Because to me it sounds like people who just don't like to play by the rules. Any rules.

The rules are in place to stop hijackings. That's why we started making people go through metal detectors 40 years ago. The point is not to stop nail clippers and water bottles from coming aboard, it's to keep the airplane safe. Sending stupid and/or irresponsible people to jail for making an innocent mistake in no way furthers that goal.

I am a firearms owner. I have a concealed carry permit. Short of memento-like brain damage, I cannot imagine getting in to the security line to board a plane and not knowing, or just realizing at that moment, I had a firearm in my possession.

Yes, you are a tightly wrapped, hyper-responsible paranoic who lives every second aware of your physical surroundings. Lots of us creative types with ADHD are not like that at all. We daydream and lose track of stuff, time, place. We are a growing segment of the population. We probably are less likely to carry a gun, but somebody like Terry Coleman, a professional politician who brought a gun through security in his briefcase, is likely to be a bit more loosey goosey about his surroundings and stuff. I personally was walking toward airport security once with a bag in my hand (pre-9/11; we were driving across country and going through security to meet a pilot friend who had just landed) when at the last minute I remembered I had a pistol in the bag. I checked it into a rental locker (remember those?) and we went on our way.

To the folks arguing against punishing people for bringing guns to airport security, not one of the statements made in this thread has had any persuasive power. Either you are wrong, or you are just doing a really piss poor job of making your argument.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be PUNISHED, just that the punishment should fit the offense. Careless, but harmless violation of a security regulation should be punished by a fine. People shouldn't be arrested and taken to jail if they haven't deliberately committed a crime, and law enforcement should use reasonable common sense when it comes to assessing intent. At AIRPORT SECURITY (don't extrapolate beyond that), the most reasonable assumption is that people bringing guns through security don't have criminal intent.
 
2014-02-18 04:55:09 PM  

sheumack: Outsider-looking-in here (though I've spent enough time in the USA to understand the local attitude to gun ownership and the 2nd amendment).

A loaded hand-gun is a weapon. It is designed to kill from a distance, which means that unlike a knife, it can be used without endangering the bearer. It is small enough to be concealed, unlike a rifle or cross-bow. It is therefore unique, and has to be singled out for particular scrutiny.

The whole debate around guns in the USA is also unique. While I've had Americans criticise Australia for our strict gun laws, I also acknowledge there is a massive difference between suppressing the rise of a gun culture in a country that doesn't have one, and attempting to remove guns from a country that was built on them.

But that doesn't change that with additional rights comes additional responsibility.

Being able to walk into an airport (or anywhere else) carrying a loaded weapon and not being aware of it is not being responsible. Any more than accidentally driving off with your child on top of the car is being responsible.

The severity of a risk has two components - the likelihood of occurring and the impact if it does.  Accidentally drinking out-of-date milk might be fine, but in the worst case it could cause you to feel sick to the stomach. Similarly, chances are an armed individual inside an airport is harmless, but if not, the consequences can be devastating. Same as having guns inside schools, or inside courts. There is a good reason why there are areas where these are restricted.

Should "intent" be an excuse for every transgression? Hell no. There was a little kid killed outside a school here late last year ago when another mother accidentally put the car in "drive" rather than "reverse" and plowed into a six-year old. Was it an accident? Yes. Did she intend to kill the child? No. But that level of carelessness merits punishment. The right to drive a vehicle comes with the responsibility to not drive it over children. She wa ...


well.. I get your point about personal responsibility with a firearm, but I also went through 4 years of Marine Corps Infantry where firearms awareness, safety and ballistics were jammed into my head on a daily basis. Most people don't have that level of awareness and discipline, but our 2nd Amendment still remains a right and freedom that is afforded to all.

I can see how someone might make an honest mistake in this hectic and crazy world we live in.. am I advocating for the guy who walks in with a pistol in his trench coat pocket? No, but I am advocating for the guy who forgot to notify the Airport ahead of time, or the guy who has it in the wrong type of case ( it has to be in a hard case, locked, and ammunition is not allowed in the Airport at all )

As far as your spiel about the American way of life... we were founded after a Revolution and everything was put in place to preserve individual freedom and to prevent a singular ruling entity from forming again. Sadly that is eroding because we have an open door immigration policy and let anyone get elected. How can you preserve a countries original intentions if you are letting people from other countries come in and get elected, allowing them to write their own laws??
 
2014-02-18 04:57:58 PM  

treesloth: James!: I don't need to fly, I move about the planet through the power of advanced yoga.

Novice.  I move the planet around myself.


That's terrible for the environment.  Earth killer.
 
2014-02-18 05:00:01 PM  

MagicMissile: Well I know this might seem like a shock to some of you, but you are allowed to carry firearms into the airport to be stowed underneath the plane, so that you can have them wherever you are going.

Hunting trips for instance, target shooting matches, whatever. We have a 2nd Amendment.

However Airport rules are very strict and can border on confusing as each state, city and municipality has its own laws.

So I believe they are trying to protect the guy who walks in and has his firearm in a soft case unlocked and forgot to notify the airport he was bringing it ahead of time, that sort of thing.


No. This is a Georgia bill. Georgia already allows carrying guns into the airport outside the TSA security gates. Heck, under Georgia law you can openly carry a loaded rifle or shotgun into the airport. Concealed carry permit holders can carry concealed pistols and knives/swords in the airport as long as they're in the public areas outside security. The bill is trying to protect the dumbasses who show up with a pistol in their carry on that they forgot about. Happens about 100 times a year, and currently they spend the night in jail.
 
2014-02-18 05:07:42 PM  
Crimes of "honest" negligence carry lighter penalties and crimes of malice carry stiffer penalties. This is true whether those crimes involve some nitwit with a gun or not. Why should negligent gun owners get mulligans? Generally speaking, negligent drivers don't. People who start a fire that gets out of control generally don't get an "oops my bad". Just because it's a gun owner doing something irresopnsible suddenly we're supposed to start making eceptions though?

Why can't you tell the difference between an improper action that results in harm and one that results in no harm? Nobody is injured in any way when somebody's gun is found in their carryon luggage. This is in no way a parallel with any of the other instances of negligence you cited. If you run a red light when there are no cars around and get pulled over, should you go directly to jail? I mean, you were either negligent or deliberately breaking the law, and if a car had been crossing your path, somebody might have been killed. That's an EXACT parallel to negligently bringing a gun through airport security, so why should that mean an arrest and not the traffic violation?
 
2014-02-18 05:10:11 PM  

sheumack: Outsider-looking-in here


I actually read all of that.  Because it was very well said.  Thank you, sir.  I wish more Americans would see how allied foreigners see us, because then maybe some of them would understand how dumb we look to outsiders.
 
2014-02-18 05:14:09 PM  

sugar_fetus: Felgraf: sugar_fetus: Felgraf: Then again, RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS (or at least one) think folks shouldn't be charged when a loaded gun is left out, and a 5 year old kills a 2 year old with it, so whatever.

Citation needed, please.

This thread : http://www.fark.com/comments/7728443/Giving-five-year-old-My-First-Ri f le-yields-predictable-results

Specifically,
http://www.fark.com/comments/7728443/83947482#c83947482 
I suppose I wasn't *quite* remembering correctly. They didn't explicitly say the person shouldn't be charged, they just said it was a "Crazy accident".

As that citation does not say someone should not be charged,  your statement is wrong, yes?

Finally, some honesty in a Fark gun thread. :-)


As I said, I misremembered. Still, I would argue 'crazy accident' implies that there shouldn't be blame, sine it's 'an accident', and not, you know. Gross negligence.
 
2014-02-18 05:14:36 PM  
ctrl+F <<complaints about TFA being the mobile version>>

Hrm. Maybe I'm just the only one that tried to view from a desktop, or cared!
 
2014-02-18 05:22:34 PM  

Serious Black: "I would tell you that a lot of people carry a weapon," said state Rep. Alan Powell, a Republican who supports the bill. "It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have, you know, they basically forget they've got it in a briefcase or a suitcase."

If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.


Done in one. I'm fine with responsible gun ownership. I wish that the gun nuts were, too.
 
2014-02-18 05:34:43 PM  

Trivia Jockey: sheumack: Outsider-looking-in here

I actually read all of that.  Because it was very well said.  Thank you, sir.  I wish more Americans would see how allied foreigners see us, because then maybe some of them would understand how dumb we look to outsiders.


I don't mind being thought dumb by nations that have half the civil rights we do.
 
2014-02-18 05:48:02 PM  

MagicMissile: Trivia Jockey: sheumack: Outsider-looking-in here

I actually read all of that.  Because it was very well said.  Thank you, sir.  I wish more Americans would see how allied foreigners see us, because then maybe some of them would understand how dumb we look to outsiders.

I don't mind being thought dumb by nations that have half the civil rights we do.


When you say stuff like this:

As far as your spiel about the American way of life... we were founded after a Revolution and everything was put in place to preserve individual freedom and to prevent a singular ruling entity from forming again. Sadly that is eroding because we have an open door immigration policy and let anyone get elected. How can you preserve a countries original intentions if you are letting people from other countries come in and get elected, allowing them to write their own laws??

...rest assured that it's not merely other nations that think you're dumb. Too dumb (not to mention too paranoid) to be trusted with firearms. But "rules is rules," so carry on. By the way, that's "carry on" as in "carry on with your bad self," not "carry on your gun when you get on a plane." If you didn't seem to be so dumb, I wouldn't feel obliged to explain that.
 
2014-02-18 05:48:16 PM  

sheumack: A loaded hand-gun is a weapon. It is designed to kill from a distance, which means that unlike a knife, it can be used without endangering the bearer. It is small enough to be concealed, unlike a rifle or cross-bow. It is therefore unique, and has to be singled out for particular scrutiny.


Quick what is the deadly threat distance of a knife? 21 feet.
 
2014-02-18 05:51:21 PM  
I think it won't be too long before every state REQUIRES people to carry a gun everywhere they go,
and if that happens....hoo-boy, we're all toast.
 
2014-02-18 05:57:58 PM  

mbillips: Why can't you tell the difference between an improper action that results in harm and one that results in no harm? Nobody is injured in any way when somebody's gun is found in their carryon luggage. This is in no way a parallel with any of the other instances of negligence you cited. If you run a red light when there are no cars around and get pulled over, should you go directly to jail? I mean, you were either negligent or deliberately breaking the law, and if a car had been crossing your path, somebody might have been killed. That's an EXACT parallel to negligently bringing a gun through airport security, so why should that mean an arrest and not the traffic violation?


FYI - if you drive drunk, you're going to get arrested and go to jail.  Even if you don't hit anyone.  This is only an outrage to you.
 
2014-02-18 06:23:16 PM  
Serious Black [TotalFark]
2014-02-18 11:16:57 AM


"I would tell you that a lot of people carry a weapon," said state Rep. Alan Powell, a Republican who supports the bill. "It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have, you know, they basically forget they've got it in a briefcase or a suitcase."

If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.


It would be believable derp if you respected gun owners rights in the first place.

It becomes such a part of your attire that you don't think of it any more than you would your bus pass, or socks.
 
2014-02-18 06:27:44 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance [TotalFark]

Nothing says Responsible Gun Owner like flaunting the law.

Which is why a liberal who campaigns for MORE and Strcter gun laws gets a state issued pass after he's caught breaking the law.
 
2014-02-18 06:32:10 PM  

MagicMissile: Trivia Jockey: sheumack: Outsider-looking-in here

I actually read all of that.  Because it was very well said.  Thank you, sir.  I wish more Americans would see how allied foreigners see us, because then maybe some of them would understand how dumb we look to outsiders.

I don't mind being thought dumb by nations that have half the civil rights we do.



What civil rights do Australians have that we don't??
 
2014-02-18 06:38:33 PM  

Trivia Jockey: MagicMissile: Trivia Jockey: sheumack: Outsider-looking-in here

I actually read all of that.  Because it was very well said.  Thank you, sir.  I wish more Americans would see how allied foreigners see us, because then maybe some of them would understand how dumb we look to outsiders.

I don't mind being thought dumb by nations that have half the civil rights we do.


What civil rights do Australians have that we don't??


The right die horribly by most of their flora and fauna?
 
2014-02-18 06:39:08 PM  
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2014-02-18 07:02:40 PM  
People who act like irresponsible children should be spanked like irresponsible children.

They SHOULD have to go through the inconvenience and embarrassment of being arrested and investigated.  I would hope that the TSA would only press charges against repeat offenders or those who have some evidence of nefarious intent or attempt to do it intentionally.  But I do NOT think that "oops" should ever get you off the hook - you SHOULD be dragged through the process because dammit you shouldn't get to an airport and forget you have a gun on you.
 
2014-02-18 07:24:56 PM  

cefm: People who act like irresponsible children should be spanked like irresponsible children.

They SHOULD have to go through the inconvenience and embarrassment of being arrested and investigated.  I would hope that the TSA would only press charges against repeat offenders or those who have some evidence of nefarious intent or attempt to do it intentionally.  But I do NOT think that "oops" should ever get you off the hook - you SHOULD be dragged through the process because dammit you shouldn't get to an airport and forget you have a gun on you.


Another statist that considers the government the father that was never around during childhood
 
2014-02-18 07:33:47 PM  

OnlyM3: Serious Black [TotalFark]
2014-02-18 11:16:57 AM


"I would tell you that a lot of people carry a weapon," said state Rep. Alan Powell, a Republican who supports the bill. "It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have, you know, they basically forget they've got it in a briefcase or a suitcase."

If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.


It would be believable derp if you respected gun owners rights in the first place.

It becomes such a part of your attire that you don't think of it any more than you would your bus pass, or socks.


I would love to see you quote a post from me here on Fark where I advocated for a policy that you believe does not respect gun owners' rights.

As I noted earlier in the thread, I was stationed at ISAF Headquarters last year and surrounded by people who were required to carry a loaded gun at all times. With one exception that I recall, they never forgot where their gun was. They also never had it effectively become a part of their attire.

In short, put up or shut up, and stop being irresponsible with your guns!
 
2014-02-18 08:34:37 PM  

lennavan: dittybopper: How about ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE.

I'm with this guy.  What's with our zero tolerance policies on rape and murder?  THINK THIS SHIAT THROUGH PEOPLE.


According to dittybopper, If I really didn't know that marital rape was a crime and after reflection I probably wouldn't have taken her last night, we should just chalk that up to learning life's lessons and go on about our day.
 
2014-02-18 08:36:42 PM  

Magorn: dittybopper: Jocktopus: Stupid arguments are stupid.

People (in general) aren't "forgetting they have a gun."  They simply don't connect "carrying a gun" with "is illegal in the airport."

How many people do you think walk into a courthouse with their cellphone, or a small pocketknife?  Did they "forget they had a cellphone?"  No, they just neglected to make the mental connection between "jury duty" and "no cellphones."

Not only that, the majority of the airport guns seized were in their carry-on luggage, not in a holster on their person.

It's hard to imagine a scenario where you forget you are *WEARING* a gun, but much easier to imagine one where it's in a bag that you use for other purposes, and you forgot or missed it when packing for your trip.

Alright lets work that scenario for a second:

You are packing in a hurry, and forget your Colt defender is sitting in the bottom of your laptop bag as you hurried pack other shiat around it to make your flight.   Airport security misses it for whatever reason and you sucessfully  board your flight , while you are crusing at 30,000 fet you reach into your bag for your lap top and somehow accidentally snag the trigger pull on your Colt (which being the sort of irresponsible person who can;t keep track of their guns in the first place, you also carry with one in the chamber) *Bang* the airplane now has a hole in the fuselage and the cabin is experiencing rapid decompression as the pilot fights to keep the plane up

That's a hell of a lot of consequences for an "innocent mistake"    seems safer to make people make DAMN sure they aren;t carrying BEFORE tey get on the plane, neh?


Carrying with one in the chamber is not irresponsible. If it's in a holster you aren't going to snag the trigger. One bullet hole in a fuselage will not cause rapid or explosive decompression. Rapid decompression doesn't cause control surface loss.

Your story is stupid.
 
2014-02-18 08:38:13 PM  

justtray: mbillips: lennavan: mbillips:Didja notice how all those other things hurt people? But carrying a gun to the airport didn't hurt anyone? Look up intentional tort sometime.

Wow, I'll admit, I'm surprised by that fact.  Today I learned no one has ever been hurt by a gun at an airport.  Fark.com is such a wealth of truthiness!

No one was ever hurt by someone merely carrying a gun to an airport. They were hurt by someone taking a gun out and shooting it. The Georgia law is meant to address ONLY the former. Georgia law already allows you to carry a gun in the airport up to the security gates, anyway. There are probably dozens of goofballs at Hartsfield right now with concealed handguns, picking up or dropping off someone.

We might as well make it the same for bombs. Afterall, no one was ever hurt by a bomb that wasn't detonated. Pretty strange logic these people employ here. It's ALMOST as if they have one set of standards for things they like, selfishly, and another for everything else. ALMOST.


Your analogy only works if it's legal to carry bombs around to begin with.
 
2014-02-18 08:40:27 PM  

vharshyde: RickN99: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I don't think anyone would accuse me of being an "irresponsible knife owner".

False analogy. A gun is not a knife.

In Georgia, the "illegal to carry in this location" state law (16-11-129) prohibits the carry of weapons.  Knives and firearms are both included under the definition of weapon for this law.

So the analogy is good: in the eyes of this law, a knife and gun are the same.  Yet if you have a knife, you can take it back out to your car, have someone come pick it up from you, let it be confiscated, etc, etc.  You are not automatically cuffed and taken to spend the night in the Clayton County Jail.

And your knife can be used to kill a dozen people in another terminal across the building long before a response can be made? Your analogy remains false...


Actually, yes a knife can be used in such a manner. You have to be good with said knife, but it would be entirely possible to do just that.
 
2014-02-18 08:42:31 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: vharshyde: RickN99: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I don't think anyone would accuse me of being an "irresponsible knife owner".

False analogy. A gun is not a knife.

In Georgia, the "illegal to carry in this location" state law (16-11-129) prohibits the carry of weapons.  Knives and firearms are both included under the definition of weapon for this law.

So the analogy is good: in the eyes of this law, a knife and gun are the same.  Yet if you have a knife, you can take it back out to your car, have someone come pick it up from you, let it be confiscated, etc, etc.  You are not automatically cuffed and taken to spend the night in the Clayton County Jail.

And your knife can be used to kill a dozen people in another terminal across the building long before a response can be made? Your analogy remains false...

Never bring a knife to a gunfight.

That is a gun has far more killing potential than a knife... or does the military now issue pen knives in lieu of firearms?


Actually, knives can be great in a gunfight if it's used to start the fight.
 
2014-02-18 08:47:03 PM  

mbillips: lennavan: mbillips: people don't shoot up Greyhound buses or Amtrak trains

You'll never guess what 5 seconds of google will pull up on this "fact."

A bunch of stories about shootings at Greyhound stations? The only Amtrak shooting I can find was by an undercover cop doing a drug bust on the train (thanks, officers, for finding such a safe place to do that).


The fun one about greyhound the last time I rode was that they searched passengers on my bus and confiscated pocket knifes and such. They did not have any written rules on weapons. I honestly should ' ve called a lawyer.
 
2014-02-18 08:55:10 PM  

grimlock1972: Correct me if i am wrong but i thought the law making it illegal to have a gun on a  commercial jetliner ( unless checked in the hold) was Federal and not state.


The airport is not a jetliner.
 
2014-02-18 08:55:43 PM  
The right of the people to own and bear arms shall not be infringed...
The TSA is only afraid of guns because of the poor security theater they perform...
 
2014-02-18 09:10:05 PM  

DrBenway: MagicMissile: Trivia Jockey: sheumack: Outsider-looking-in here

I actually read all of that.  Because it was very well said.  Thank you, sir.  I wish more Americans would see how allied foreigners see us, because then maybe some of them would understand how dumb we look to outsiders.

I don't mind being thought dumb by nations that have half the civil rights we do.

When you say stuff like this:

As far as your spiel about the American way of life... we were founded after a Revolution and everything was put in place to preserve individual freedom and to prevent a singular ruling entity from forming again. Sadly that is eroding because we have an open door immigration policy and let anyone get elected. How can you preserve a countries original intentions if you are letting people from other countries come in and get elected, allowing them to write their own laws??

...rest assured that it's not merely other nations that think you're dumb. Too dumb (not to mention too paranoid) to be trusted with firearms. But "rules is rules," so carry on. By the way, that's "carry on" as in "carry on with your bad self," not "carry on your gun when you get on a plane." If you didn't seem to be so dumb, I wouldn't feel obliged to explain that.


Your post is just as dumb.
 
2014-02-18 09:30:59 PM  
I hope y'all who don't care where your guns are are at least keeping track of where your kids are.
 
2014-02-18 09:45:05 PM  

vartian: Serious Black: If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.

This. Your right to a gun does not absolve you from your responsibility for it.


Eh, Intent is a huge part of the law, it's a major factor of a crime that must be proven in court.  It's the difference between murder and manslaughter.  It's not totally outrageous that a law about guns is made that deals with the intent of the person committing the crime.
 
2014-02-18 10:00:28 PM  
CSB Time:

My Father in Law was scheduled to visit China sometime in the summer of 2002 with his sister and brother in law. He's kind of an asshole... well, not kind of, he is. So I joked with him about mouthing off to some Chinese cop over there and getting arrested.

Day after he left I get this phone call from my wife that he dad didn't make it to China. I asked why and she said he was arrested. I couldn't help myself, I just start laughing my ass off. Once I calmed down I find out he never left O'Hare. He was held under the PATRIOT act for attempting to take a hand gun onto a plane.

Long story short was that 3 days prior he had just driven back home from FL and had packed his carry gun into his overnight back. He apparently didn't completely unpack it and left the handgun in his carry on bag.

I spent 2 days in Cook County Jail being interviewed by the FBI. Once they confirmed that he was in fact a forgetful dumb ass old man and not trying to hijack the plane, they turned him over to the Cook Count States Atty office, who charged him (not sure exactly what) and he was allowed to call home and bond out.

Took about 9 months for the case to proceed, but eventually it was pled down and he paid a fine. As far as I know his FOID card wasn't revoked, but I never directly asked him, so it could have been.

Total cost was somewhere in the neighborhood of 25K between fine, lawyer and the non refundable trip.
 
2014-02-18 10:01:50 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I hope y'all who don't care where your guns are are at least keeping track of where your kids are.


If a gun is like a bus pass or socks, apparently a kid is like the furnace.  You pretty much forget it's there unless the weather is shiatty out and you clean it up once a month or so.
 
2014-02-18 10:04:06 PM  
Dear Georgia lawmakers;
You need to read and understand the following word in regards to gun ownership:
re·spon·si·bil·i·ty
[ri-spon-suh-bil-i-tee]
noun, plural re·spon·si·bil·i·ties.
1.
the state or fact of being responsible, answerable, or accountable for something within one's power, control, or management.
2.
an instance of being responsible: The responsibility for this mess is yours!
3.
a particular burden of obligation upon one who is responsible: the responsibilities of authority.
4.
a person or thing for which one is responsible: A child is a responsibility to its parents.
5.
reliability or dependability, especially in meeting debts or payments.
 
2014-02-18 10:04:56 PM  

REKnight: CSB Time:


I HE spent 2 days in Cook County Jail ...


That'll teach me to post while patching server...
 
2014-02-18 10:37:06 PM  
I didn't know I couldn't do that

/Chip, NO!
 
2014-02-19 04:11:10 AM  

mschwenk: grimlock1972: Correct me if i am wrong but i thought the law making it illegal to have a gun on a  commercial jetliner ( unless checked in the hold) was Federal and not state.

The airport is not a jetliner.


true but one would hope the guns never reach the jetliner.
 
2014-02-19 05:58:04 AM  
I'm sorry we freaked out about that.  We were afraid you were trying to take a tube of toothpaste onto the plane, but it turns out it was just a gun.
 
2014-02-19 10:27:32 AM  

OnlyM3: It becomes such a part of your attire that you don't think of it any more than you would your bus pass, or socks.


You guys don't even realize how silly you sound on this one, it's made for a great thread!
 
2014-02-19 10:30:21 AM  

mschwenk: vharshyde: RickN99: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I don't think anyone would accuse me of being an "irresponsible knife owner".

False analogy. A gun is not a knife.

In Georgia, the "illegal to carry in this location" state law (16-11-129) prohibits the carry of weapons.  Knives and firearms are both included under the definition of weapon for this law.

So the analogy is good: in the eyes of this law, a knife and gun are the same.  Yet if you have a knife, you can take it back out to your car, have someone come pick it up from you, let it be confiscated, etc, etc.  You are not automatically cuffed and taken to spend the night in the Clayton County Jail.

And your knife can be used to kill a dozen people in another terminal across the building long before a response can be made? Your analogy remains false...

Actually, yes a knife can be used in such a manner. You have to be good with said knife, but it would be entirely possible to do just that.



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2014-02-19 01:02:22 PM  

James!: That's terrible for the environment. Earth killer.


What's the environment ever done for me?
 
2014-02-19 02:42:36 PM  

lennavan: The_Sponge: lennavan: I'm just curious, where in the fark did you read someone wants to prevent firearm ownership? Can you quote it for me? Because I'm not seeing that. Thanks.


"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it.  - Senator Feinstein

Ah okay.  So Fark.com linked an article discussing the legality of guns going through airport checkpoints and the thread is entirely filled with discussion about guns at airports.  No one in the entire thread or the article even used the word "Feinstein" let alone discussed Diane Feinstein or her policy positions.  Diane Feinstein works for the federal government and this article is about a state law.  So naturally it makes sense you were arguing about what Diane Feinstein said in 1995 and we should all attempt to defend it.

Seems legit.


The same Feinstein who had witnessed the assassinations of Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk  when she worked on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors. something like that would affect a persons judgement more than if your only experience with guns was watching them go off during "A-team" reruns.
 
2014-02-19 02:45:37 PM  

kitsuneymg: dittybopper: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.

Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE

Remember a few days ago when you said you weren't one of the crazy gun nuts? Yeah. shiat like this is why you're a crazy gun nut. If you can't keep track of your guns, you shouldn't get to own them.


The irony of this is that some time back he made the false statement that you only found irrational people among the anti-gun folks, that all the pro gun folks were rational. Threads like this one prove that wrong.
 
2014-02-19 02:49:46 PM  

lennavan: BubbaWilkins: To be clear,

Most of these people did not forget where they had their gun.  What they forgot was that they aren't allowed on their person or in carry-on bags through the security checkpoint.  To them, its no different than having a pocket knife or a pair a clippers.  It's pretty easy to get into a routine where you know every place you go it's okay, but forget when going somewhere new.  I forgot I had a pocket knife when I walked into a Federal Building once.  Didn't even occur to me that it wasn't allowed until the security guard saw it in the objects dish as going through the screening.

Irresponsible yes, but I think the punishments are overly harsh for something that should simply be "I'm sorry sir/madam, but you need to store that firearm in your vehicle or other secure location.  We can't let you through with it."

You know what would be really farking awkward?  If there was an AP story with a quote that actually directly contradicted your "fact."

TSA doesn't believe these gun-toting passengers are terrorists, but the agency can't explain why so many passengers try to board planes with guns, either, Castelveter said. The most common excuse offered by passengers is "I forgot it was there."

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/guns-airlines-93695.html#ixzz2 th t5XqkU

Oh man this is awkward.


Damn, even grenades?
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2014-02-19 02:51:42 PM  

lennavan: The_Sponge: I read your post too quickly and thus overlooked you were referencing only the linked article.

No, my post referenced your post.

The_Sponge: And firearm ownership is an important civil right, whether you like it or not.

Why the fark, in a thread about carrying guns past airport checkpoints, where the linked article is about carrying guns past airport checkpoints, and all of the posts are about carrying guns past airport checkpoints, would you bring up something about firearm ownership?


Gun nut paranoia?  I explains a few people in this thread.
 
2014-02-19 02:56:18 PM  

Trivia Jockey: sheumack: Outsider-looking-in here

I actually read all of that.  Because it was very well said.  Thank you, sir.  I wish more Americans would see how allied foreigners see us, because then maybe some of them would understand how dumb we look to outsiders.


Too bad a lot of Americans don't care how bad they look to outsiders.
 
2014-02-19 02:59:30 PM  

Trivia Jockey: MagicMissile: Trivia Jockey: sheumack: Outsider-looking-in here

I actually read all of that.  Because it was very well said.  Thank you, sir.  I wish more Americans would see how allied foreigners see us, because then maybe some of them would understand how dumb we look to outsiders.

I don't mind being thought dumb by nations that have half the civil rights we do.


What civil rights do Australians have that we don't??


Shouldn't that be "what civil rights do Americans have that Australians don't"?
 
2014-02-19 03:05:30 PM  

Latinwolf: Shouldn't that be "what civil rights do Americans have that Australians don't"?


Yes, it should have.
 
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