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(Politico)   GA lawmakers introduce bill to protect gun owners who "accidentally" carry a gun into an airport. "A lot of people carry a weapon. It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have {it}"   (politico.com ) divider line
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2014-02-18 02:32:43 PM  

RickN99: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I don't think anyone would accuse me of being an "irresponsible knife owner".

False analogy. A gun is not a knife.

In Georgia, the "illegal to carry in this location" state law (16-11-129) prohibits the carry of weapons.  Knives and firearms are both included under the definition of weapon for this law.

So the analogy is good: in the eyes of this law, a knife and gun are the same.  Yet if you have a knife, you can take it back out to your car, have someone come pick it up from you, let it be confiscated, etc, etc.  You are not automatically cuffed and taken to spend the night in the Clayton County Jail.


And your knife can be used to kill a dozen people in another terminal across the building long before a response can be made? Your analogy remains false...
 
2014-02-18 02:32:52 PM  

The_Sponge: Eddie Adams from Torrance: The_Sponge: I forgot the name of the yahoo who said I was an irresponsible gun owner because I refuse to register mine.

Nothing says Responsible Gun Owner like flaunting the law.


Yeah!  That Rosa Parks should have known her place and moved to the back of the bus.


You can't be farking serious with this...
 
2014-02-18 02:33:09 PM  

coeyagi: The_Sponge: Eddie Adams from Torrance: The_Sponge: I forgot the name of the yahoo who said I was an irresponsible gun owner because I refuse to register mine.

Nothing says Responsible Gun Owner like flaunting the law.


Yeah!  That Rosa Parks should have known her place and moved to the back of the bus.

Haha civil rights. Yeah, you farking crusader, you.



I'm not a crusader....I'm making a point about people standing up to unjust laws.

And firearm ownership is an important civil right, whether you like it or not.
 
2014-02-18 02:34:54 PM  

mbillips: You're confusing two different areas of law. Civil laws regulating behavior (speeding) are different from criminal laws banning intentional bad behavior (vehicular homicide). Of course, people should be barred from carrying loaded guns on planes. But if they had no criminal intent, that's a civil violation of a regulation, NOT A CRIME, and is punished with a civil fine or forfeiture, not jail time. Airport security isn't there to keep guns or knives or bottles of water off planes; it's there to keep would-be hijackers unarmed. Idiots who inadvertently leave guns in their luggage are hurting airport security no more than people who don't have guns in their luggage.


What on Earth do you imagine any of that meant in relation to what I said?
 
2014-02-18 02:35:05 PM  

dittybopper: justtray: We might as well make it the same for bombs. Afterall, no one was ever hurt by a bomb that wasn't detonated. Pretty strange logic these people employ here. It's ALMOST as if they have one set of standards for things they like, selfishly, and another for everything else. ALMOST.

Because an indiscriminate bomb capable of perhaps destroying an aircraft, and which in any case is not an effective individual defensive weapon because of it's indiscriminate nature, is exactly the same thing as a firearm.


Yeah I can't really imagine a way a gun might be used to bring down a plane. They're purely for defense.
 
2014-02-18 02:35:49 PM  

The_Sponge: coeyagi: The_Sponge: Eddie Adams from Torrance: The_Sponge: I forgot the name of the yahoo who said I was an irresponsible gun owner because I refuse to register mine.

Nothing says Responsible Gun Owner like flaunting the law.


Yeah!  That Rosa Parks should have known her place and moved to the back of the bus.

Haha civil rights. Yeah, you farking crusader, you.


I'm not a crusader....I'm making a point about people standing up to unjust laws.

And firearm ownership is an important civil right, whether you like it or not.


Sure it is, and no one is preventing you from owning one, Captain False Equivalency.

Rights can be regulated.  You can't yell "Fire" in a theater.  Deal with it like you are an adult in an advanced society and move on.
 
2014-02-18 02:36:14 PM  

The_Sponge: coeyagi: The_Sponge: Eddie Adams from Torrance: The_Sponge: I forgot the name of the yahoo who said I was an irresponsible gun owner because I refuse to register mine.

Nothing says Responsible Gun Owner like flaunting the law.


Yeah!  That Rosa Parks should have known her place and moved to the back of the bus.

Haha civil rights. Yeah, you farking crusader, you.


I'm not a crusader....I'm making a point about people standing up to unjust laws.

And firearm ownership is an important civil right, whether you like it or not.


You were crying about registration, not ownership.
 
2014-02-18 02:36:37 PM  

Mentalpatient87: The_Sponge: Eddie Adams from Torrance: The_Sponge: I forgot the name of the yahoo who said I was an irresponsible gun owner because I refuse to register mine.

Nothing says Responsible Gun Owner like flaunting the law.


Yeah!  That Rosa Parks should have known her place and moved to the back of the bus.

You can't be farking serious with this...



Standing up to unjust laws?  I am serious.

Granted, I do not live in a state where registration is required.  But if that day comes, I won't do it.
 
2014-02-18 02:36:44 PM  

Felgraf: Then again, RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS (or at least one) think folks shouldn't be charged when a loaded gun is left out, and a 5 year old kills a 2 year old with it, so whatever.


Citation needed, please.
 
2014-02-18 02:37:08 PM  
I accidentally drank too much alcohol and got behind a wheel and now Mary Jane Rottencrotch is dead, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally addressed the reimbursement check to me when another volunteer spent the funds and now I have $500 more than I should, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally dropped a cannister of cyanide outside the lab and now I am going to the funeral of a colleague, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally violated the age of consent because I didn't check the 17 year old girl's age before porking her, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally ran over a girl crossing the street because I was texting, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally fell asleep at the commands of the roller coaster ride and now 7 people are dead, officer.  Mulligan?
I accidentally stabbed someone with a ski pole while going down a black diamond in Vail, officer.  Mulligan?
I accidentally defrauded the IRS by claiming losses, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally shot jizz out the car window while getting head from my girlfriend, it hit a motorcycler in the eye and now he's blind, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally outted a CIA operative via Robert Novak, officer.  Mulligan?
I accidentally solicited for sex in a men's bathroom in the Minneapolis airport, officer.  Mulligan?
I accidentally solicited prostitutes before getting a round of applause for my return on the floor of Congress, officer. Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 02:37:17 PM  

vharshyde: RickN99: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I don't think anyone would accuse me of being an "irresponsible knife owner".

False analogy. A gun is not a knife.

In Georgia, the "illegal to carry in this location" state law (16-11-129) prohibits the carry of weapons.  Knives and firearms are both included under the definition of weapon for this law.

So the analogy is good: in the eyes of this law, a knife and gun are the same.  Yet if you have a knife, you can take it back out to your car, have someone come pick it up from you, let it be confiscated, etc, etc.  You are not automatically cuffed and taken to spend the night in the Clayton County Jail.

And your knife can be used to kill a dozen people in another terminal across the building long before a response can be made? Your analogy remains false...


Never bring a knife to a gunfight.

That is a gun has far more killing potential than a knife... or does the military now issue pen knives in lieu of firearms?
 
2014-02-18 02:39:30 PM  

coeyagi: Rights can be regulated.  You can't yell "Fire" in a theater.


Yes, you can - especially if there *is* a fire in that theatre.

Please cite a law that makes this illegal.

Inciting a riot is illegal, but if you yell "fire" in a theatre and no one panics, will you be arrested?
 
2014-02-18 02:40:27 PM  

Felgraf: Again, in this very thread, we were told that there were only a few tenants of responsible gun ownership, and one of those was "Making sure that unauthorized people do not get access to your gun."

I am still sort of waiting for an explanation for how one does this when *they are ignorant that they have the gun with them*

Perhaps they used some sort of 2nd amendment warding spell, or something.

Then again, RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS (or at least one) think folks shouldn't be charged when a loaded gun is left out, and a 5 year old kills a 2 year old with it, so whatever.


OK, I don't want to defend those people; they're stupid. But there's a big difference between, "Oh, hey, look, a gun where it shouldn't be" and "Dead 2-year-old." You need to assess the actual risk. The TSA is opposed to getting rid of the must-arrest provision because somebody shot up a TSA security station. But that gunman wasn't trying to sneak a gun through security; he had it out and blasting before going through the metal detector. You pretty much have to assume anyone caught with a gun at security had no bad purpose, because anyone with a bad purpose would try to avoid getting caught with a gun. That's pretty hard to do when you put it through an X-ray machine. The law isn't intended to discourage concealed weapons carry and enforce responsibility (the way, say, a triggerlock provision is). It's intended to stop people from hurting other people on an airplane, by limiting the sort of weapons they might have.
 
2014-02-18 02:41:10 PM  

dittybopper: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.

Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE


THAT. I wish they'd free the poor bastards that made the mistake of going to NYC with weapons, too. If they make the effort to comply once they realize the mistake, there's no reason to charge them with a felony and permanently take their weapons.
 
2014-02-18 02:41:44 PM  
The_Sponge:

I'm not a crusader....I'm making a point about people standing up to unjust laws.


You're not so much making a point as facefarking it kiddo.
 
2014-02-18 02:42:40 PM  
For those who do care about facts, here is a snipped from the bill:

2013-2014 Regular Session - HB 875Safe Carry Protection Act; enact
http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/20132014/139285.pdf

(b) A person who is not a license holder and who violates this Code section shall be guilty
647 of a misdemeanor. A license holder who violates this Code section shall be guilty of a
648 misdemeanor; provided, however, that a license holder who immediately leaves the
649 restricted access area upon notification that he or she is in possession of a weapon or long
650 gun shall not be guilty of violating this Code section.
 
2014-02-18 02:43:31 PM  

The_Sponge: Mentalpatient87: The_Sponge: Eddie Adams from Torrance: The_Sponge: I forgot the name of the yahoo who said I was an irresponsible gun owner because I refuse to register mine.

Nothing says Responsible Gun Owner like flaunting the law.


Yeah!  That Rosa Parks should have known her place and moved to the back of the bus.

You can't be farking serious with this...


Standing up to unjust laws?  I am serious.

Granted, I do not live in a state where registration is required.  But if that day comes, I won't do it.


No, not that. That's not it. I meant the part where you're equating yourself to Rosa Parks. Like you are similar in any way at all. That's just farking stupid. But please, continue flailing.
 
2014-02-18 02:43:45 PM  
The_Sponge

I do not live in a state where registration is required. But if that day comes, I won't do it.

A pretty common sentiment. We just had a story last week about how 50-85% of owners in Connecticut were refusing to register their weapons, IIRC.
 
2014-02-18 02:45:06 PM  

sugar_fetus: For those who do care about facts, here is a snipped from the bill:

2013-2014 Regular Session - HB 875Safe Carry Protection Act; enact
http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/20132014/139285.pdf

(b) A person who is not a license holder and who violates this Code section shall be guilty
647 of a misdemeanor. A license holder who violates this Code section shall be guilty of a
648 misdemeanor; provided, however, that a license holder who immediately leaves the
649 restricted access area upon notification that he or she is in possession of a weapon or long
650 gun shall not be guilty of violating this Code section.


You can keep your gun but you'll miss your flight.

I'm okay with this.
 
2014-02-18 02:45:15 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: The_Sponge

I do not live in a state where registration is required. But if that day comes, I won't do it.

A pretty common sentiment. We just had a story last week about how 50-85% of owners in Connecticut were refusing to register their weapons, IIRC.


Because soshulizm? Kenya Fart Bongoing?  Awww.  Those poor patriots.
 
2014-02-18 02:45:59 PM  

lennavan: mbillips: people don't shoot up Greyhound buses or Amtrak trains

You'll never guess what 5 seconds of google will pull up on this "fact."


A bunch of stories about shootings at Greyhound stations? The only Amtrak shooting I can find was by an undercover cop doing a drug bust on the train (thanks, officers, for finding such a safe place to do that).
 
2014-02-18 02:48:12 PM  
"A lot of people carry a weapon. It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have {it}"

Speaking as someone who gets paid to carry a weapon, and has had to carry it everyday, for over a year straight on deployments, that sentence doesn't ring true for me.  Carrying your weapon that often, it becomes sort of a part of you.  You get used to the discomfort, the extra weight, or the straps of the holster or sling.  Checking your weapon, verifying it, it becomes as instinctive as rubbing the sleet out of your eyes in the morning.  It becomes an extension of your body.

On the days you're NOT carrying a weapon?  It feels weird, like something vital is missing.  It's a feeling like walking around while wearing only one shoe.
 
2014-02-18 02:48:15 PM  

Serious Black: "I would tell you that a lot of people carry a weapon," said state Rep. Alan Powell, a Republican who supports the bill. "It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have, you know, they basically forget they've got it in a briefcase or a suitcase."

If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.


I don't know why we needed >250 more comments after this one. There is a responsibility that comes with a CCW - I love guns, I have a CCW and even I can get 100% behind this statement.
 
2014-02-18 02:48:43 PM  

coeyagi: I accidentally drank too much alcohol and got behind a wheel and now Mary Jane Rottencrotch is dead, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally addressed the reimbursement check to me when another volunteer spent the funds and now I have $500 more than I should, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally dropped a cannister of cyanide outside the lab and now I am going to the funeral of a colleague, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally violated the age of consent because I didn't check the 17 year old girl's age before porking her, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally ran over a girl crossing the street because I was texting, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally fell asleep at the commands of the roller coaster ride and now 7 people are dead, officer.  Mulligan?
I accidentally stabbed someone with a ski pole while going down a black diamond in Vail, officer.  Mulligan?
I accidentally defrauded the IRS by claiming losses, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally shot jizz out the car window while getting head from my girlfriend, it hit a motorcycler in the eye and now he's blind, officer. Mulligan?
I accidentally outted a CIA operative via Robert Novak, officer.  Mulligan?
I accidentally solicited for sex in a men's bathroom in the Minneapolis airport, officer.  Mulligan?
I accidentally solicited prostitutes before getting a round of applause for my return on the floor of Congress, officer. Mulligan?


I accidentally turned right on red where it wasn't allowed, and hurt no one, officer. Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 02:48:52 PM  

The_Sponge: coeyagi: The_Sponge: Eddie Adams from Torrance: The_Sponge: I forgot the name of the yahoo who said I was an irresponsible gun owner because I refuse to register mine.

Nothing says Responsible Gun Owner like flaunting the law.


Yeah!  That Rosa Parks should have known her place and moved to the back of the bus.

Haha civil rights. Yeah, you farking crusader, you.


I'm not a crusader....I'm making a point about people standing up to unjust laws.

And firearm ownership is an important civil right, whether you like it or not.


I'm just curious, where in the fark did you read someone wants to prevent firearm ownership?  Can you quote it for me?  Because I'm not seeing that.  Thanks.
 
2014-02-18 02:49:47 PM  

sugar_fetus: if you yell "fire" in a theatre and no one panics, will you be arrested?


I don't know about yelling, but if you pull out a cell phone, and text "FIRE" in a theater, you will rightfully get your ass kicked.
 
2014-02-18 02:50:08 PM  
It is responsible to have a loaded gun on your person and not know it, or have one in your bag or in your car or you could leave it in the movie theater when it drops out of your pocket or better yet take it with you to the playground and drop it next to the jungle gym.  This is what we've learned on fark today.
 
2014-02-18 02:51:27 PM  

Serious Black: Much like the "accidental discharge" that I am positive only exists in the realm of unicorns and leprechauns, I don't think inadvertent carrying of a gun exists.


You seem to have a serious reading comprehension problem with the English language then.  Both of those phrases exist, have verifiable definitions, and are understood by the general populous.
 
2014-02-18 02:51:49 PM  

lennavan: I'm just curious, where in the fark did you read someone wants to prevent firearm ownership?  Can you quote it for me?  Because I'm not seeing that.  Thanks.


This is common knowledge among the tea party crowd:

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2014-02-18 02:53:25 PM  

dittybopper: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.

Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE


Except that it's a policy for real firearms, and  not drawings or poptarts or fingers. (Yeah, I know: Brits are stupid.)

dittybopper: Why not just make a "gun check" part of the process?  If you have a gun, and are legally permitted to carry it, why not just provide people who inadvertently carry into an airport security zone a way to store their guns on the premises until they return?
That would accomplish the goal of a "gun free zone" in the passenger terminals and by extension on the aircraft, so what harm would be done?
Really, other than making carrying a gun as legally dicey as you possibly can in as many situations as you possibly can in order to make people shy away from it, what possible opposition can you have to something like that?


The "no carrying firearms on airplanes" rule has been been in effect since 1968. You really can't claim ignorance.

The "gun check" idea? Are the concessionaires trustworthy? Is the arsenal sufficiently secure? How do you insure it? What do you do if somebody doesn't return for a weapon? How do you keep it from becoming a dumping ground/storage room for crime weapons? Ammunition storage?
 
2014-02-18 02:53:42 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: sugar_fetus: if you yell "fire" in a theatre and no one panics, will you be arrested?

I don't know about yelling, but if you pull out a cell phone, and text "FIRE" in a theater, you will rightfully get your ass kicked.


Or shot.

www.trbimg.com
 
2014-02-18 02:55:16 PM  

lennavan: I'm just curious, where in the fark did you read someone wants to prevent firearm ownership? Can you quote it for me? Because I'm not seeing that. Thanks.



"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it.  - Senator Feinstein
 
2014-02-18 02:56:02 PM  

Mentalpatient87: The_Sponge: Mentalpatient87: The_Sponge: Eddie Adams from Torrance: The_Sponge: I forgot the name of the yahoo who said I was an irresponsible gun owner because I refuse to register mine.

Nothing says Responsible Gun Owner like flaunting the law.


Yeah!  That Rosa Parks should have known her place and moved to the back of the bus.

You can't be farking serious with this...


Standing up to unjust laws?  I am serious.

Granted, I do not live in a state where registration is required.  But if that day comes, I won't do it.

No, not that. That's not it. I meant the part where you're equating yourself to Rosa Parks. Like you are similar in any way at all. That's just farking stupid. But please, continue flailing.


The fact that they see that as a rational equivalency, that alone is enough to make me question their standing as someone who is a safe, responsible gun owner. If they're capable of this level of irrational thought in a mere Fark thread, I can't really trust them with a lethal weapon.
 
2014-02-18 02:58:15 PM  
To be clear,

Most of these people did not forget where they had their gun.  What they forgot was that they aren't allowed on their person or in carry-on bags through the security checkpoint.  To them, its no different than having a pocket knife or a pair a clippers.  It's pretty easy to get into a routine where you know every place you go it's okay, but forget when going somewhere new.  I forgot I had a pocket knife when I walked into a Federal Building once.  Didn't even occur to me that it wasn't allowed until the security guard saw it in the objects dish as going through the screening.

Irresponsible yes, but I think the punishments are overly harsh for something that should simply be "I'm sorry sir/madam, but you need to store that firearm in your vehicle or other secure location.  We can't let you through with it."
 
2014-02-18 02:58:16 PM  

Mentalpatient87: No, not that. That's not it. I meant the part where you're equating yourself to Rosa Parks. Like you are similar in any way at all. That's just farking stupid. But please, continue flailing.



I used an example of somebody standing up to an unjust law.

Fine....you guys want to rip on me for wanting to disobey an unjust law?  Fine.  Then I hope you guys "keep it real" by not smoking weed if it is illegal in your state.
 
2014-02-18 02:58:26 PM  
coeyagi

Because soshulizm? Kenya Fart Bongoing?

Perhaps understandably, the article had no quotation from anyone refusing to register their firearms, so I couldn't say.
 
2014-02-18 02:59:22 PM  

sugar_fetus: Inciting a riot is illegal, but if you yell "fire" in a theatre and no one panics, will you be arrested?


The word incitement does not imply success. It does not matter if anybody panics, only that you attempted to cause panic.

And whether you are arrested or not is immaterial to whether or not what you did is a crime. People are not arrested every day for crimes they commit even when an officer is aware of the crime. That does not mean what they did wasn't criminal.
 
2014-02-18 03:00:36 PM  

dittybopper: Trivia Jockey: It includes: knowing where your gun is at all times,

I'm 50 miles away from my guns, and have been for several hours.  I can't guarantee with 100% certainty where they are.  Am I irresponsible?


Yes. If you were responsible, they'd be in their locked, secure enclosure where you knew for a fact they were when you'd left them.
 
2014-02-18 03:00:41 PM  

The_Sponge: Mentalpatient87: No, not that. That's not it. I meant the part where you're equating yourself to Rosa Parks. Like you are similar in any way at all. That's just farking stupid. But please, continue flailing.


I used an example of somebody standing up to an unjust law.

Fine....you guys want to rip on me for wanting to disobey an unjust law?  Fine.  Then I hope you guys "keep it real" by not smoking weed if it is illegal in your state.


Yeah you guys are obviously all hippies hepped up on the reefers for disagreeing with the notion that this patriot is in any way different that Rosa Parks.
 
2014-02-18 03:02:38 PM  

The_Sponge: lennavan: I'm just curious, where in the fark did you read someone wants to prevent firearm ownership? Can you quote it for me? Because I'm not seeing that. Thanks.


"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it.  - Senator Feinstein


Ah okay.  So Fark.com linked an article discussing the legality of guns going through airport checkpoints and the thread is entirely filled with discussion about guns at airports.  No one in the entire thread or the article even used the word "Feinstein" let alone discussed Diane Feinstein or her policy positions.  Diane Feinstein works for the federal government and this article is about a state law.  So naturally it makes sense you were arguing about what Diane Feinstein said in 1995 and we should all attempt to defend it.

Seems legit.
 
2014-02-18 03:03:04 PM  

trappedspirit: Serious Black: Much like the "accidental discharge" that I am positive only exists in the realm of unicorns and leprechauns, I don't think inadvertent carrying of a gun exists.

You seem to have a serious reading comprehension problem with the English language then.  Both of those phrases exist, have verifiable definitions, and are understood by the general populous.


It's kind of a mantra among gun safety instructors.  It's kind of like how Driver's Ed teachers say "there's no such thing as an 'accident.'  It's a collision."

Barring some sort of catastrophic mechanical malfunction, 99.9999% of accidental discharges are due to the owner negligently handling or operating the weapon.  It's supposed to enforce the idea that the gun owner is 100% responsible for his/her weapon at all times, and no, it did not "accidentally" go off by itself.
 
2014-02-18 03:06:08 PM  

dittybopper: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.

Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE


Remember a few days ago when you said you weren't one of the crazy gun nuts? Yeah. shiat like this is why you're a crazy gun nut. If you can't keep track of your guns, you shouldn't get to own them.
 
2014-02-18 03:06:21 PM  

mbillips: Felgraf: Again, in this very thread, we were told that there were only a few tenants of responsible gun ownership, and one of those was "Making sure that unauthorized people do not get access to your gun."

I am still sort of waiting for an explanation for how one does this when *they are ignorant that they have the gun with them*

Perhaps they used some sort of 2nd amendment warding spell, or something.

Then again, RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS (or at least one) think folks shouldn't be charged when a loaded gun is left out, and a 5 year old kills a 2 year old with it, so whatever.

OK, I don't want to defend those people; they're stupid. But there's a big difference between, "Oh, hey, look, a gun where it shouldn't be" and "Dead 2-year-old." You need to assess the actual risk. The TSA is opposed to getting rid of the must-arrest provision because somebody shot up a TSA security station. But that gunman wasn't trying to sneak a gun through security; he had it out and blasting before going through the metal detector. You pretty much have to assume anyone caught with a gun at security had no bad purpose, because anyone with a bad purpose would try to avoid getting caught with a gun. That's pretty hard to do when you put it through an X-ray machine. The law isn't intended to discourage concealed weapons carry and enforce responsibility (the way, say, a triggerlock provision is). It's intended to stop people from hurting other people on an airplane, by limiting the sort of weapons they might have.


If you really believe that, and you are a gun owner, I fear for the safety of those around you.

"You pretty much have to assume anyone caught with a gun at security had no bad purpose"

So we should have no law enforcement? No penalties for breaking the law?

Anyone with criminal intent knows they will be caught, so they don't break the law. Any one who breaks the law must be innocent since they clearly had no criminal intent.

Do you really not see the logical contradictions in that way of thinking?

"The law isn't intended to discourage concealed weapons carry and enforce responsibility"

So you agree this isn't a 2nd amendment issue. Then what is it? Because to me it sounds like people who just don't like to play by the rules. Any rules.

I am a firearms owner. I have a concealed carry permit. Short of memento-like brain damage, I cannot imagine getting in to the security line to board a plane and not knowing, or just realizing at that moment, I had a firearm in my possession.

To the folks arguing against punishing people for bringing guns to airport security, not one of the statements made in this thread has had any persuasive power.

Either you are wrong, or you are just doing a really piss poor job of making your argument.
 
2014-02-18 03:08:41 PM  

lennavan: The_Sponge: lennavan: I'm just curious, where in the fark did you read someone wants to prevent firearm ownership? Can you quote it for me? Because I'm not seeing that. Thanks.


"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it.  - Senator Feinstein

Ah okay.  So Fark.com linked an article discussing the legality of guns going through airport checkpoints and the thread is entirely filled with discussion about guns at airports.  No one in the entire thread or the article even used the word "Feinstein" let alone discussed Diane Feinstein or her policy positions.  Diane Feinstein works for the federal government and this article is about a state law.  So naturally it makes sense you were arguing about what Diane Feinstein said in 1995 and we should all attempt to defend it.

Seems legit.


How dare you speak to Rosa Packs that way!
 
2014-02-18 03:10:51 PM  

Molavian: Serious Black: dittybopper: inadvertently carry

Much like the "accidental discharge" that I am positive only exists in the realm of unicorns and leprechauns, I don't think inadvertent carrying of a gun exists. We are talking about a tool whose sole purpose is to annihilate anything and everything that the business end is pointed towards. I believe a responsible gun owner should know where their potentially deadly firearms are at all times. If that's too much for you to handle, you shouldn't own a gun.

I have 70+ guns.  I think most of them are locked up in the basement.


You actually have 53 guns now; it's been awhile since you checked


/better go make sure
//70+ guns? I have 2. One for each of ya...
 
2014-02-18 03:11:36 PM  
You know, a national law to protect me from the millions of local laws designed by assholes to f*ck me over would be nice.
 
2014-02-18 03:13:49 PM  

Brainsick: /better go make sure


Ha, the joke's on you.  I lost all my guns in a tragic canoeing accident in the middle of Lake Michigan!
 
2014-02-18 03:15:05 PM  

mbillips: You pretty much have to assume anyone caught with a gun at security had no bad purpose, because anyone with a bad purpose would try to avoid getting caught with a gun.


All of those people with bad purposes will most certainly try to avoid getting caught.  So you're suggesting if we do catch them in the act of trying to sneak a gun on board, we should just assume since they got caught, they clearly had no bad intent and send them on their way?  That makes sense to you?

If you get caught with a gun at an airport security check, there are only two possible explanations:

1) You knew the gun was in there and you intentionally violated the law. 
2) You had no idea where your gun was.

Either way you should spend some time in jail to sit there and feel bad about yourself.
 
2014-02-18 03:15:23 PM  

Molavian: You know, a national law to protect me from the millions of local laws designed by assholes to f*ck me over would be nice.


Millions? Boy. I thought it was bad that there was ONE law that mentioned me by name after the pickle incident.
 
2014-02-18 03:16:26 PM  
Correct me if i am wrong but i thought the law making it illegal to have a gun on a  commercial jetliner ( unless checked in the hold) was Federal and not state.
 
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