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(Politico)   GA lawmakers introduce bill to protect gun owners who "accidentally" carry a gun into an airport. "A lot of people carry a weapon. It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have {it}"   (m.politico.com) divider line 402
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2014-02-18 01:08:39 PM
I accidentally solicited for prostitutes before getting a round of applause for my return on the floor of Congress, officer. Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 01:09:39 PM
I accidentally dropped sodium hydroxide in a pot of Egg Drop Soup, officer.  Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 01:09:50 PM

Serious Black: dittybopper: inadvertently carry

Much like the "accidental discharge" that I am positive only exists in the realm of unicorns and leprechauns,...


upload.wikimedia.org would like a word
 
2014-02-18 01:09:53 PM

mbillips: Serious Black: dittybopper: inadvertently carry

Much like the "accidental discharge" that I am positive only exists in the realm of unicorns and leprechauns, I don't think inadvertent carrying of a gun exists. We are talking about a tool whose sole purpose is to annihilate anything and everything that the business end is pointed towards. I believe a responsible gun owner should know where their potentially deadly firearms are at all times. If that's too much for you to handle, you shouldn't own a gun.

I can see you've never carried a gun. I had to wear an M9 around for a year when I was in Iraq (a more useless paperweight was never inflicted on anyone; I worked in an office in the Green Zone, so if the hajjis got inside the wire to the point where I had to shoot at them, I was dead, pistol or no). Within a month, you forget you have the thing on. I left mine lying around (unloaded, because the military isn't as stupid as most Armed Citizens) more than once when I took it off to work out.


That's funny, because the only dudes who ever lost track of their weapons in my unit were the biggest fark-ups and retards.
 
2014-02-18 01:09:59 PM
So all the thugs and terrorists can use this excuse now?
 
2014-02-18 01:10:41 PM
I accidentally found Jesus.... dead in my garden, because I worked him to death, officer.  Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 01:11:35 PM

Sgt Otter: That's funny, because the only dudes who ever lost track of their weapons in my unit were the biggest fark-ups and retards.


So you're saying that you don't want fark-ups and retards carrying loaded guns in the airport?

Why do you hate our freedoms?
 
2014-02-18 01:11:39 PM
I accidentally stabbed my girlfriend in the chest when we were reenacting a scene from "The Following", officer.  Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 01:12:34 PM

Cyno01: I generally try to avoid doing things that have the potential to get me anally fisted by a high school drop out.


Well that's where you and I differ, then...
 
2014-02-18 01:12:46 PM
I accidentally built a contraption that I saw on A-Team and now an entire carload of Shriners have been chopped into small pieces, officer.  Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 01:13:46 PM

The_Sponge: CSB:

My gym bag has multiple uses....the gym (duh), and I occasionally use it to transport handguns to my local range, and use it as my carry-on bag when flying.

I never leave firearms in it once I'm home, but when I'm about to fly somewhere, I double-check it to make sure there isn't any loose ammo inside.


I call bullshiat.

Your lying about going to the gym.
 
2014-02-18 01:13:53 PM
How about this  - Make it a $2000 fine + confiscate gun, but it's a misdemeanor(no Jail).
That way, gun owner who is being irresponsible is now not a gun owner.
 
2014-02-18 01:14:46 PM
I accidentally kicked a blue USPS mailbox with a drunk midget sleeping in it and then he died from an acute blow to the head when the mailbox hit the pavement, officer. Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 01:14:48 PM

RickN99: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I don't think anyone would accuse me of being an "irresponsible knife owner".

False analogy. A gun is not a knife.


In Georgia, the "illegal to carry in this location" state law (16-11-129) prohibits the carry of weapons.  Knives and firearms are both included under the definition of weapon for this law.

So the analogy is good: in the eyes of this law, a knife and gun are the same.  Yet if you have a knife, you can take it back out to your car, have someone come pick it up from you, let it be confiscated, etc, etc.  You are not automatically cuffed and taken to spend the night in the Clayton County Jail.



Here is the law that you are citing:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11&section=12 9

Note that this is about a "weapons carry license" that is guns and knives with blades over 5" in length. The original story is that some Hillbilly forgot about his pocket knife while going into court. This is not the same as forgetting about the Samurai sword that you have tucked under your jacket.


http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11&section=12 5. 1

"  (2) "Knife" means a cutting instrument designed for the purpose of offense and defense consisting of a blade that is greater than five inches in length which is fastened to a handle. "

So, um, you are wrong.
 
2014-02-18 01:15:10 PM

Trivia Jockey: dittybopper: Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

Forgetting you have a loaded pistol in your pocket is a pretty f*cking big unintentional and inadvertent mistake.  Especially when you go to a high-security area like an airport.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm all for laws that disincentivize gun owners from being less than hyper-careful with their guns.


If only there were some way to train gun owners into double checking just exactly where their gun is when they know they're heading to a place where they aren't allowed.

/but that's just crazy talk
 
2014-02-18 01:15:35 PM
I'm thinking dittybopper realized how completely indefensible his position was and fled to Mexico.

Hopefully he remembered to check his gun first.
 
2014-02-18 01:15:40 PM
I accidentally farted in the face of a woman with emphysema and she choked to death, officer. Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 01:16:10 PM
We can't really expect responsible gun owners to be responsible. That would be a violation of their rights.
 
2014-02-18 01:16:36 PM
I accidentally injected people with a used syringe that was previously used on an AIDS patient and now 47 patients have HIV, officer.  Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 01:16:54 PM

dittybopper: Trivia Jockey: dittybopper: Constantly, or just that one time because you were in a rush? Because they'd both be punished exactly the same.

They should be.  My god, allowing someone to be irresponsible with a gun because they're in a hurry is the f*cking definition of stuff I don't want.

Remember we aren't talking about shooting things recklessly, just forgetting that you left your legal handgun in a bag.

And BTW, that's what most of the cases are:  It's not someone actually carrying in a holster on their person, it's a gun left in a bag:

Most of the weapons confiscated in 2013 had gun permits and were found in the carry-on luggage of passengers.

But let's think some more about this:  If you declare your weapon and put it in your checked baggage, you're 100% OK legally.  So why not just give people the option (for a substantial fee!) to have that done, or, alternatively, to just have them stored (again for a substantial fee!) until they return from their trip.

I can't think of any rational security purpose for not doing that.  Hell, *ADVERTISE* that you're doing it:  People who carry concealed would probably be more likely to use an airport where they can check their guns right before going into the secure area than they would one where they would have to leave their guns at home.  Make money off of their fear.  It's Win-Win!



While they're at it they're going to have to change another law - at least here at Ft Lauderdale Airport. You are not allowed to bring a firearm into the airport terminal - so how the hell are you supposed to check it in your luggage? You are required to report it to the person at the ticket counter inside, and even demonstrate that it is secured in your luggage if asked ... but you're not supposed to bring a firearm into the terminal. The biggest problem with laws like this are the idiots that write them without thinking them through.
 
2014-02-18 01:16:55 PM

coeyagi: I accidentally kicked a blue USPS mailbox with a drunk midget sleeping in it and then he died from an acute blow to the head when the mailbox hit the pavement, officer. Mulligan?



Did you hear about the midget who died playing ping-pong?

He got too excited and ran off the table.
 
2014-02-18 01:18:01 PM

gilgigamesh: I'm thinking dittybopper realized how completely indefensible his position was and fled to Mexico.

Hopefully he remembered to check his gun first.


That'd require some self-awareness.
 
2014-02-18 01:18:51 PM

RexTalionis: mbillips: People who want to hijack airplanes or commit other crimes are a problem; idiot wannabes with guns in their carryons have yet to hurt anyone in an airport or on a plane.

How do you distinguish the two?


If they show up at the airport with a gun in their luggage/pocket, you put them in a small room and have large men talk to them. Hijackers and crooks are VERY QUICKLY distinguishable from innocent dumbasses. You give the innocent dumbass a ticket, and you deal with the other type appropriately. But that's not my point. What I'm saying is, the PUT THEM UNDER THE JAIL, OMG THEY'RE PUTTING ME IN PERIL attitude toward actual innocent dumbasses who bring guns to the airport (whom this Georgia law is intended to protect) is just hysterical. If those inadvertently packed guns wound up on the plane, nobody would ever know the difference.

Sgt Otter: mbillips: Serious Black: dittybopper: inadvertently carry

Much like the "accidental discharge" that I am positive only exists in the realm of unicorns and leprechauns, I don't think inadvertent carrying of a gun exists. We are talking about a tool whose sole purpose is to annihilate anything and everything that the business end is pointed towards. I believe a responsible gun owner should know where their potentially deadly firearms are at all times. If that's too much for you to handle, you shouldn't own a gun.

I can see you've never carried a gun. I had to wear an M9 around for a year when I was in Iraq (a more useless paperweight was never inflicted on anyone; I worked in an office in the Green Zone, so if the hajjis got inside the wire to the point where I had to shoot at them, I was dead, pistol or no). Within a month, you forget you have the thing on. I left mine lying around (unloaded, because the military isn't as stupid as most Armed Citizens) more than once when I took it off to work out.

That's funny, because the only dudes who ever lost track of their weapons in my unit were the biggest fark-ups and retards.


Yeah, but they were probably grunts. I'm a Navy public affairs officer, and old, and thus absent-minded. I bet your squared-away hard chargers can't write an English sentence to save their lives, though, let alone turn Iraqi-translated Arabic news reports into clear, correct English with an executive summary that allows general officers to make smart decisions. Military specialization ftw.
 
2014-02-18 01:19:31 PM

The_Sponge: coeyagi: I accidentally kicked a blue USPS mailbox with a drunk midget sleeping in it and then he died from an acute blow to the head when the mailbox hit the pavement, officer. Mulligan?


Did you hear about the midget who died playing ping-pong?

He got too excited and ran off the table.


I accidentally brought a gun to an airport, officer. Mulligan?

(full circle, done)

//Keep it responsible, Responsible Tuberous-Americans™!
 
2014-02-18 01:20:30 PM

Publikwerks: How about this  - Make it a $2000 fine + confiscate gun, but it's a misdemeanor(no Jail).
That way, gun owner who is being irresponsible is now not a gun owner.


But but but that gun owner forgot where is bootstraps were that day too! MULLIGAN!
 
2014-02-18 01:21:02 PM

mbillips: I can see you've never carried a gun. I had to wear an M9 around for a year when I was in Iraq (a more useless paperweight was never inflicted on anyone; I worked in an office in the Green Zone, so if the hajjis got inside the wire to the point where I had to shoot at them, I was dead, pistol or no). Within a month, you forget you have the thing on. I left mine lying around (unloaded, because the military isn't as stupid as most Armed Citizens) more than once when I took it off to work out.


...I can see you were in need of corrective training.  Your failure to properly follow lawful orders is hardly a good argument against requiring citizens to properly follow the law.
 
2014-02-18 01:21:48 PM

Corvus: Is this were all the gun nuts say "Well this guy was a irresponsible gun owner! Don't lump him with other gun owners" but then when someone suggests then that people should have training or the most basics of background checks the same people go "No no no! you can't do that!! They should be able to have guns and make mistakes!"


Nope. The gun nuts in this thread are arguing that you can be a responsible gun owner while having no idea where your gun is, and that trying to board a flight with a gun should be treated as a minor infraction like breaking the speed limit.

Seriously; what the fark, dittybopper? Did you forget to take your meds today?
 
2014-02-18 01:23:38 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: RickN99: Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: I don't think anyone would accuse me of being an "irresponsible knife owner".

False analogy. A gun is not a knife.


In Georgia, the "illegal to carry in this location" state law (16-11-129) prohibits the carry of weapons.  Knives and firearms are both included under the definition of weapon for this law.

So the analogy is good: in the eyes of this law, a knife and gun are the same.  Yet if you have a knife, you can take it back out to your car, have someone come pick it up from you, let it be confiscated, etc, etc.  You are not automatically cuffed and taken to spend the night in the Clayton County Jail.


Here is the law that you are citing:

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11§ion=12 9

Note that this is about a "weapons carry license" that is guns and knives with blades over 5" in length. The original story is that some Hillbilly forgot about his pocket knife while going into court. This is not the same as forgetting about the Samurai sword that you have tucked under your jacket.


http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11§ion=12 5. 1

"  (2) "Knife" means a cutting instrument designed for the purpose of offense and defense consisting of a blade that is greater than five inches in length which is fastened to a handle. "

So, um, you are wrong.


Holy crap, when did they change that? The law used to be 3 inches; five inches is a freakin' dagger. ALEC strikes again. I guess this means I can carry my switchblade now as long as I don't cross state lines.
 
2014-02-18 01:23:44 PM

Gunther: Corvus: Is this were all the gun nuts say "Well this guy was a irresponsible gun owner! Don't lump him with other gun owners" but then when someone suggests then that people should have training or the most basics of background checks the same people go "No no no! you can't do that!! They should be able to have guns and make mistakes!"

Nope. The gun nuts in this thread are arguing that you can be a responsible gun owner while having no idea where your gun is, and that trying to board a flight with a gun should be treated as a minor infraction like breaking the speed limit.

Seriously; what the fark, dittybopper? Did you forget to take your meds today?


Worse than this thread, some MOTHERF*CKER in Georgia thinks that irresponsible gun owners should be treated as a responsible gun owner!

//just making sure we still have our eyes on the bigger asshole, here
 
2014-02-18 01:24:09 PM
I am a pretty strong supporter of gun rights, both of ownership and carrying. I will never understand the logic of people who think gun ownership creates some kind of magical, protected category of rights that ensures you special legal and practical immunity from the consequences of your actions; simply because a gun is involved.

You'd think responsible gun owners would take the opposite position: that gun ownership implies a heightened level of responsibility. But here we are.
 
2014-02-18 01:25:12 PM

gilgigamesh: I am a pretty strong supporter of gun rights, both of ownership and carrying. I will never understand the logic of people who think gun ownership creates some kind of magical, protected category of rights that ensures you special legal and practical immunity from the consequences of your actions; simply because a gun is involved.

You'd think responsible gun owners would take the opposite position: that gun ownership implies a heightened level of responsibility. But here we are.


Nope.  The majority of them don't.  More rights, less regulation.  Because Jesus, Founding Fathers and Apple Motherf*ckin' Pie!
 
2014-02-18 01:26:14 PM
We need this flexibility in the law so we can continue to send terrorists (non-white), while not wrongfully incarcerating good, god-fearing Americans (white).
 
2014-02-18 01:27:45 PM
mbillips:
Holy crap, when did they change that? The law used to be 3 inches; five inches is a freakin' dagger. ALEC strikes again. I guess this means I can carry my switchblade now as long as I don't cross state lines.

Jesus Christ.  My ex-girlfriend gave me a Benchmade Nimravus for my birthday, and it has a 4.5" blade.  I used to get made fun of for carrying it on my vest, because the damn thing is so big.

www.jtice.com
 
2014-02-18 01:28:51 PM

NkThrasher: mbillips: I can see you've never carried a gun. I had to wear an M9 around for a year when I was in Iraq (a more useless paperweight was never inflicted on anyone; I worked in an office in the Green Zone, so if the hajjis got inside the wire to the point where I had to shoot at them, I was dead, pistol or no). Within a month, you forget you have the thing on. I left mine lying around (unloaded, because the military isn't as stupid as most Armed Citizens) more than once when I took it off to work out.

...I can see you were in need of corrective training.  Your failure to properly follow lawful orders is hardly a good argument against requiring citizens to properly follow the law.


I'm OK with requiring them to follow the law. I'm just saying they shouldn't be criminally prosecuted for disobeying this particular law without criminal intent (which is a requirement for conviction of any criminal offense, btw). Taking a gun to the airport, unless a reasonable person would conclude you had criminal intent in doing so, should be a civil offense punishable with a fine. My personal experience is that the sort of people who think they need to carry a handgun around all the time reasonably could wind up at the airport with a gun without meaning to break any laws. You can give them a ticket for that, but you shouldn't arrest them and charge them with a crime.
 
2014-02-18 01:29:11 PM

coeyagi: I accidentally built a contraption that I saw on A-Team and now an entire carload of Shriners have been chopped into small pieces, officer.  Mulligan?


i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-02-18 01:31:04 PM

mbillips: If those inadvertently packed guns wound up on the plane, nobody would ever know the difference.


I know this is going to come as a very profound shock to a lot of gun owners, but you don't get to be above the law just because the law in question wasn't written specifically about you. That's how laws work. You don't get to just declare yourself exempt from them because you pinky-swear you're not going to do whatever bad thing the law is aimed at preventing.
 
2014-02-18 01:31:29 PM

coeyagi: The_Sponge: coeyagi: I accidentally kicked a blue USPS mailbox with a drunk midget sleeping in it and then he died from an acute blow to the head when the mailbox hit the pavement, officer. Mulligan?


Did you hear about the midget who died playing ping-pong?

He got too excited and ran off the table.

I accidentally brought a gun to an airport, officer. Mulligan?

(full circle, done)

//Keep it responsible, Responsible Tuberous-Americans™!


Didja notice how all those other things hurt people? But carrying a gun to the airport didn't hurt anyone? Look up intentional tort sometime.
 
2014-02-18 01:32:34 PM

RexTalionis: mbillips: People who want to hijack airplanes or commit other crimes are a problem; idiot wannabes with guns in their carryons have yet to hurt anyone in an airport or on a plane.

How do you distinguish the two?


SImple, you let them all bring their guns on and if they were hijackers, they will hijack the plane.  Duh.
 
2014-02-18 01:33:02 PM
I don't think this measure is at all necessary, wise, or even ok.

How on earth can you honestly forget you're carrying a weapon into security screening at an airport? I check twice to make sure I haven't absentmindedly brought open containers of mouthwash or too much toothpaste.

The people who want a pass on this sort of thing...it isn't really about firearms, I don't think, it's more akin to the mentality of the people (yes, plural) who I've seen walk to the front of a line we've been waiting in for an hour and say, "is there a line for people who got here late so they don't miss their flight?" No, ma'am, there's not, that's why we're all got here earlier to wait in line. Ffs.
 
2014-02-18 01:34:52 PM
So imagine if you will, an innocent man traveling to a business meeting in Cleveland. It's been a busy day, and he's rushed and rather stressed. He gets to the airport, takes off his shoes, puts his toiletries in a bucket and then realizes he's left a loaded gun in his carry on.

Now should this man, this a law abiding, upstanding citizen, this responsible gun owner be charged for this crime? OF COURSE NOT? It's a silly mistake. One anyone could make.

Now.

Imagine he's black.
 
2014-02-18 01:35:10 PM
mbillips:Didja notice how all those other things hurt people? But carrying a gun to the airport didn't hurt anyone? Look up intentional tort sometime.

Wow, I'll admit, I'm surprised by that fact.  Today I learned no one has ever been hurt by a gun at an airport.  Fark.com is such a wealth of truthiness!
 
2014-02-18 01:35:32 PM

dittybopper: James!: dittybopper: BunkoSquad: dittybopper: What about in a bag you carry for other purposes (like car trips, etc.)?

Generally, that's what happens, not the one in the pocket, the one in the bag you use for other things besides airline flights.

I make sure there's no "too big bottle of contact lens solution" in that bag before I go to the airport, because I'm aware enough to know THAT I AM GOING TO THE AIRPORT

And you think that's rational?

You think that should be the norm?

I think it should be the norm that you know what's in your luggage.

I'm not disagreeing with that, but what about the inadvertent exceptions?


You may want to back off of this one, it's really making you stretch and sound silly.  You are typically a very reasonable and thoughtful person even when I disagree with you, this just comes off as a knee-jerk defense of an utterly insane law.  It's already been said, and in the "initial text offering" of the thread:   If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.
 
2014-02-18 01:36:25 PM

mbillips: Serious Black: dittybopper: inadvertently carry

Much like the "accidental discharge" that I am positive only exists in the realm of unicorns and leprechauns, I don't think inadvertent carrying of a gun exists. We are talking about a tool whose sole purpose is to annihilate anything and everything that the business end is pointed towards. I believe a responsible gun owner should know where their potentially deadly firearms are at all times. If that's too much for you to handle, you shouldn't own a gun.

I can see you've never carried a gun. I had to wear an M9 around for a year when I was in Iraq (a more useless paperweight was never inflicted on anyone; I worked in an office in the Green Zone, so if the hajjis got inside the wire to the point where I had to shoot at them, I was dead, pistol or no). Within a month, you forget you have the thing on. I left mine lying around (unloaded, because the military isn't as stupid as most Armed Citizens) more than once when I took it off to work out.

People need to realize on both sides of this argument that concealed carry pistols are almost NEVER used. It's a piece of really heavy, really stupid jewelry; an anti-gorilla amulet designed to protect against a largely nonexistent threat. Your odds of using it in a situation where no gun would make for a worse outcome are lotteryesque. Heck, most police detectives never pull out their pistols, let alone Armed Citizens. So if you're silly enough to be in the habit of constantly going armed, you're going to quit thinking about it after a few months or years of it never being necessary.

Also, loaded guns are in no way a hazard to other fliers, so freaking out over the "danger" of inadvertently leaving a loaded handgun in your luggage is just that, a freakout. People who want to hijack airplanes or commit other crimes are a problem; idiot wannabes with guns in their carryons have yet to hurt anyone in an airport or on a plane.


I worked at ISAF Headquarters in Kabul for six months. I did not personally carry as I was a civilian and was allowed to not carry, but every uniformed officer was required to carry. Even General friggin Allen had to carry at all times. I can't verify he did so, but every time I saw him in public, I can verify he had his M9 on him.

Our base never once left readiness state Lima for guns, meaning all guns were required to be loaded but without a round in the chamber. That could be because the Kabul Green Zone was not a paradise of safety like the Baghdad Green Zone.

Everyone who carried had to keep their guns on their person at all times; the one exception was if you took both a pistol and a rifle that you only had to carry one, but the other had to be locked up in a carrier in your room when it was not on their person. Everybody carried their guns with them to the DFAC, to the bathroom, and in the gym when they were working out. And people didn't just forget where they were and leave them lying around. At the most, I only recall one incident where somebody left their gun laying somewhere, and that sparked an immediate contact via e-mail to the entire damn base asking whose gun it was.

About a month before my redeployment, I asked the coworker that I sat next to about his gun. He complained about it and commented that it was impossible to forget he had it with how it shifted his weight distribution while walking. Every other military officer in my group of about 15 said similar things regardless of how they carried it (leg and shoulder holster were the two most popular options).

In short, I don't buy anything you're saying.
 
2014-02-18 01:36:36 PM
Where did I put my carton of Acme brand dynamite? Was it next to the wood stove? I can't remember?
 
2014-02-18 01:37:31 PM
I forgot the name of the yahoo who said I was an irresponsible gun owner because I refuse to register mine.
 
2014-02-18 01:37:32 PM

vartian: Serious Black: If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.

This. Your right to a gun does not absolve you from your responsibility for it.


MUCH, MUCH more than this- If you forget you have a gun on you, or where it is on you, doesn't that completely invalidate the logic behind stand your ground laws? If you believe you don't have a gun, while actually carrying one, then that gun will not protect you or your family no matter how powerful and accurate it is.
 
2014-02-18 01:38:19 PM
I leave the house with a pocket full of change every day. I've been carrying it so long that I never even give it a second though... except when I'm going to the FARKING AIRPORT.

Anyone who's so clueless and unaware of their surroundings shouldn't be carrying anything more dangerous than a spork.
 
2014-02-18 01:38:27 PM

skozlaw: mbillips: If those inadvertently packed guns wound up on the plane, nobody would ever know the difference.

I know this is going to come as a very profound shock to a lot of gun owners, but you don't get to be above the law just because the law in question wasn't written specifically about you. That's how laws work. You don't get to just declare yourself exempt from them because you pinky-swear you're not going to do whatever bad thing the law is aimed at preventing.


You're confusing two different areas of law. Civil laws regulating behavior (speeding) are different from criminal laws banning intentional bad behavior (vehicular homicide). Of course, people should be barred from carrying loaded guns on planes. But if they had no criminal intent, that's a civil violation of a regulation, NOT A CRIME, and is punished with a civil fine or forfeiture, not jail time. Airport security isn't there to keep guns or knives or bottles of water off planes; it's there to keep would-be hijackers unarmed. Idiots who inadvertently leave guns in their luggage are hurting airport security no more than people who don't have guns in their luggage.
 
2014-02-18 01:39:02 PM
I'm with the majority here: if you can't remember to leave your gun home before you fly out, then you don't deserve to carry a gun.

On a different, but gun related note, I keep hearing "an armed society is a polite society", but evidence is disproving that. It seems that carrying a gun has empowered countless azzholes to truly be themselves in all sorts of situations.

Three quarters of etiquette is about defusing situations or avoiding giving offense. To many gun owners seem to think that carrying a gun exempts them from those rules of polite society. They feel entirely free to give as much offense as they want to, and they don't feel obligated to back down, apologize or swallow their pride. Ever.

Instead of becoming more polite, the arming of society had made it belligerent and confrontational.

/real life trolls and itgs rejoice! With a gun, you're a God of annoyance made corporeal!
 
2014-02-18 01:39:08 PM

Doom MD: dittybopper: Trivia Jockey: dittybopper: Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

Forgetting you have a loaded pistol in your pocket is a pretty f*cking big unintentional and inadvertent mistake.  Especially when you go to a high-security area like an airport.

What about in a bag you carry for other purposes (like car trips, etc.)?

Generally, that's what happens, not the one in the pocket, the one in the bag you use for other things besides airline flights.
 
Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm all for laws that disincentivize gun owners from being less than hyper-careful with their guns.

So, you're of the mind that people should be strictly punished when they have no ill intent, merely because they are gun owners.

Are you of the same mind for people who drive cars?  Do you think drivers who exceed the speed limit in school zones should have their driving privileges permanently revoked for the the first offense, and have their car seized, even though it was inadvertent?  After all, it's a farkin' *SCHOOL ZONE*.  They could kill a kid by going 30 MPH instead of 20.

Is that the sort of thing you are generally agreeable with, or is it just because *GUNZ!*?

It's sort of like the people who want to perform Transvaginal ultrasounds and make women look at the monitor before consenting to an abortion


Yes, it is.  It's trying to take something that is a right and make it as difficult to exercise as possible.  Not *IMPOSSIBLE*, of course, because that would be unconstitutional, just as difficult as they think they can get away with.
 
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