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(Politico)   GA lawmakers introduce bill to protect gun owners who "accidentally" carry a gun into an airport. "A lot of people carry a weapon. It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have {it}"   (politico.com) divider line 402
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2014-02-18 12:19:29 PM  

dittybopper: enry: Because

a) anyone who forgets they're armed when entering an airport is already being irresponsible

Because you've never forgotten you had something in a bag.

b) you have a place to check it. It's called your car or your house.

OK, how about this:  Make money off it by charging like they do for parking.  It could be a revenue stream for the airports.  Say, a $25 initial charge, and a dollar a day after that, with guns not claimed after 6 months being auctioned off.

Alternatively, have a vendor that sells TSA-approved gun cases.  Charge a premium for those, and a surcharge to have them placed in the baggage compartment so you can retrieve it at your destination.

c) why just guns? How about my bottle of water, razor blade, and leatherman?

Well, when you have a leatherman that costs hundreds of dollars like even the most cheap handgun, I'd be fine with that.

d) and you now want to extend the reach of the TSA by letting them hold on to your 2nd amendment sticks. Brilliant!

Are you saying I can't trust the government?


I'm saying you don't trust the government. I don't trust the TSA.

When I leave the house for the airport I double check to make sure I'm bringing only what I can bring on the plane. The only time I got stuck with something was a bottle of hot sauce I should have put in my checked bag. The TSA person let me run back to the counter and have it put back in. If I can do that for the past 12 years with things that are way less dangerous and liable to cause problems than a gun, I think you can be a bottle thoughtful about what you're carrying and where you carry it.

IOW, just take your [ohsnap.jpg] and stuff it.
 
2014-02-18 12:19:58 PM  

the_rev: Before I head to the airport, I give myself a thorough pat-down just to be sure that I *don't* inadvertently go in with a weapon.


Hell I do that for keys and other random sh*t in my pockets in advance of the body scan booth.  But again: we're not talking about pocket change and other dangerous WMDs, we're talking about firearms.  Who has the time and mental capacity to keep track of their handguns?  I mean, it is either in my shoulder harness or in the kid's room... one or the other or maybe in the car.
 
2014-02-18 12:21:46 PM  

Trivia Jockey: Again, if the goal is to incentivize responsible gun ownership (which the basis for the gun lobby opposing ANY gun restrictions), then you have to make sure the law has the power to so incentivize.


So, define "responsible" for me.

I have a feeling that you're going to use it in the same sense that the phrase "common sense" is often used by people who want to pass laws to dis-incentivize gun ownership and lawful carrying to the fullest extent possible.  Those are the people responsible for laws like it being a felony to have an expended cartridge casing or shotgun shell without a permit.

To *ME*, responsible gun ownership is basically following the four rules of safe gun use, and making sure that unauthorized people like criminals don't get access, and that children only have well-supervised age-appropriate access, that sort of thing.  That's responsible gun ownership.

Maybe you're somewhere in the middle.
 
2014-02-18 12:22:44 PM  
Okay, so let's say we permit "Gun Check'n'Go" outside the airport, or in the garage or whatever.  Fine, your CCW guy is covered in case he forgets to put his weapon in the safe while packing.

But now, with that backstop in place, and hey maybe a few signs advertising it at each entrance, do forgetful dipsh*ts still get a pass for bringing their weapon all the way through security?
 
2014-02-18 12:23:30 PM  

dittybopper: To *ME*, responsible gun ownership is basically following the four rules of safe gun use, and making sure that unauthorized people like criminals don't get access, and that children only have well-supervised age-appropriate access, that sort of thing. That's responsible gun ownership.


Is one of those "constantly forget where you've stashed your weapons?"  That seems pretty common-sense to me.
 
2014-02-18 12:23:55 PM  

James!: dittybopper: BunkoSquad: dittybopper: What about in a bag you carry for other purposes (like car trips, etc.)?

Generally, that's what happens, not the one in the pocket, the one in the bag you use for other things besides airline flights.

I make sure there's no "too big bottle of contact lens solution" in that bag before I go to the airport, because I'm aware enough to know THAT I AM GOING TO THE AIRPORT

And you think that's rational?

You think that should be the norm?

I think it should be the norm that you know what's in your luggage.


I'm not disagreeing with that, but what about the inadvertent exceptions?
 
2014-02-18 12:25:03 PM  

factoryconnection: Hell I do that for keys and other random sh*t in my pockets in advance of the body scan booth.


Me too. Before I get in the security line I stop in the restroom and remove my watch, belt, money clip, change, etc and put it in my carry-on bag to go through the xray thing. I hold my ID and boarding pass in my hand.

So, even if I did inadvertently go in with a pistol in my pocket, I'd surely discover it, in time to go back out and leave it in my car.
 
2014-02-18 12:25:11 PM  

dittybopper: So, define "responsible" for me.


I'd have thought "knowing you have a gun on you" would have gone without saying, but here we are.
 
2014-02-18 12:25:53 PM  

factoryconnection: dittybopper: To *ME*, responsible gun ownership is basically following the four rules of safe gun use, and making sure that unauthorized people like criminals don't get access, and that children only have well-supervised age-appropriate access, that sort of thing. That's responsible gun ownership.

Is one of those "constantly forget where you've stashed your weapons?"  That seems pretty common-sense to me.


Constantly, or just that one time because you were in a rush?  Because they'd both be punished exactly the same.
 
2014-02-18 12:25:58 PM  

propasaurus: Witty Comment: True CSB time:

The last restaurant I worked at, there was a loaded gun found on the back of the toilet in the men's room.

It was an off duty officer's weapon.

/end CSB

Take the cannoli.



Lulz.
 
2014-02-18 12:25:59 PM  

dittybopper: So, define "responsible" for me.


Knowing where your guns are at at all times is pretty close to the top of the list of being a responsible gun owner for me.
 
2014-02-18 12:26:24 PM  

dittybopper: So, define "responsible" for me.


It includes: knowing where your gun is at all times, knowing the loaded/unloaded status at all times, and knowing if you're carrying one when you go to a zone where "no guns allowed" is made abundantly clear.

Maybe it's like porn and I'd know if it I saw it, but "forgetting I have a weapon in my jacket pocket" screams "irresponsible" to me.  That sounds like someone has taken for granted the fact he's carrying a deadly weapon, and as a result has gotten careless.  Carelessness isn't "responsible".
 
2014-02-18 12:27:09 PM  

dittybopper: How about ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE.


I'm with this guy.  What's with our zero tolerance policies on rape and murder?  THINK THIS SHIAT THROUGH PEOPLE.
 
2014-02-18 12:27:38 PM  

Serious Black: dittybopper: So, define "responsible" for me.

Knowing where your guns are at at all times is pretty close to the top of the list of being a responsible gun owner for me.


I'm 50 miles away from all my guns right now.

While I'm reasonably certain I know where they are, I can't 100% guarantee it, because they aren't with me.

Is that irresponsible?
 
2014-02-18 12:27:39 PM  

dittybopper: I'm not disagreeing with that, but what about the inadvertent exceptions?


They take your gun away and toss it in the "shiat you will never see again" bin like everything else you're not supposed to bring to the airport.  They might also fine you.
 
2014-02-18 12:27:41 PM  
In this thread, we learn that respobsible gun owners SOMETIMES DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR WEAPON!

Wow. Such responsibility. Much careful. wow.

dittybopper: Trivia Jockey: Again, if the goal is to incentivize responsible gun ownership (which the basis for the gun lobby opposing ANY gun restrictions), then you have to make sure the law has the power to so incentivize.

So, define "responsible" for me.

I have a feeling that you're going to use it in the same sense that the phrase "common sense" is often used by people who want to pass laws to dis-incentivize gun ownership and lawful carrying to the fullest extent possible.  Those are the people responsible for laws like it being a felony to have an expended cartridge casing or shotgun shell without a permit.

To *ME*, responsible gun ownership is basically following the four rules of safe gun use, and making sure that unauthorized people like criminals don't get access, and that children only have well-supervised age-appropriate access, that sort of thing.  That's responsible gun ownership.

Maybe you're somewhere in the middle.


If you don't remember you have your gun with you, how can you exactly be sure to keep unauthorized people from getting access to it? YOU FORGOT YOU HAD IT.
 
2014-02-18 12:28:13 PM  

dittybopper: but what about the inadvertent exceptions?


There are certain things so inherently dangerous that we've placed strict liability on them.  That's so we don't have to try and determine someone's subjective intent.  Guns are one of those things.  There should not be any exceptions for inadvertence.
 
2014-02-18 12:28:45 PM  

Trivia Jockey: It includes: knowing where your gun is at all times,


I'm 50 miles away from my guns, and have been for several hours.  I can't guarantee with 100% certainty where they are.  Am I irresponsible?
 
2014-02-18 12:29:02 PM  
GET PROPER TRAINING AND THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.


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2014-02-18 12:29:30 PM  

dittybopper: Constantly, or just that one time because you were in a rush? Because they'd both be punished exactly the same.


They should be.  My god, allowing someone to be irresponsible with a gun because they're in a hurry is the f*cking definition of stuff I don't want.
 
2014-02-18 12:30:06 PM  
People really shouldn't be allowed to own guns.
 
2014-02-18 12:31:07 PM  

dittybopper: Trivia Jockey: It includes: knowing where your gun is at all times,

I'm 50 miles away from my guns, and have been for several hours.  I can't guarantee with 100% certainty where they are.  Am I irresponsible?


Hell, you could a gun on your right now.  How are you to know!?
 
2014-02-18 12:31:21 PM  

dittybopper: Serious Black: dittybopper: So, define "responsible" for me.

Knowing where your guns are at at all times is pretty close to the top of the list of being a responsible gun owner for me.

I'm 50 miles away from all my guns right now.

While I'm reasonably certain I know where they are, I can't 100% guarantee it, because they aren't with me.

Is that irresponsible?


Are they stored in such a manner that they are "not accessible to unauthorized persons" like the NRA says you should do to be safe with your guns?
 
2014-02-18 12:31:41 PM  
Done in one. You should not be allowed to own a gun if you are not capable of being responsible about it.
 
2014-02-18 12:31:43 PM  

vartian: Serious Black: If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.

This. Your right to a gun does not absolve you from your responsibility for it.


That should be said about having children as well, but thats for another thread.

/pro gun
//anti- your children
 
2014-02-18 12:32:07 PM  

dittybopper: I'm 50 miles away from my guns, and have been for several hours. I can't guarantee with 100% certainty where they are. Am I irresponsible?


Did you leave the house with them locked in your safe?  Then no.  Are your guns are just as likely to be in your safe as they are to be lying on your kitchen table?  Then yes.

But your argument is irrelevant anyway, because we're talking about people who forget they have guns on their person.  When they go into a public place.
 
2014-02-18 12:32:23 PM  

dittybopper: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.

Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE


So much this. I hate laws that don't take into account intent.
 
2014-02-18 12:32:35 PM  

Serious Black: dittybopper: inadvertently carry

Much like the "accidental discharge" that I am positive only exists in the realm of unicorns and leprechauns, I don't think inadvertent carrying of a gun exists. We are talking about a tool whose sole purpose is to annihilate anything and everything that the business end is pointed towards. I believe a responsible gun owner should know where their potentially deadly firearms are at all times. If that's too much for you to handle, you shouldn't own a gun.


I have 70+ guns.  I think most of them are locked up in the basement.
 
2014-02-18 12:32:38 PM  

dittybopper: Trivia Jockey: It includes: knowing where your gun is at all times,

I'm 50 miles away from my guns, and have been for several hours.  I can't guarantee with 100% certainty where they are.  Am I irresponsible?


Are they in a locked safe where only you know the combination? Then yes, that's responsible because they're still under your control.
 
2014-02-18 12:33:49 PM  
This bill is a stupid attempt to curry favor from the state's lowest common denominators.  Before I had to move to Canada, I never once "forgot" I was carrying concealed.  Something like that is no accident, just stupidity.
 
2014-02-18 12:34:16 PM  
Next, they'll try to pass a law that allows you to take your gun on a plane if you pinky-swear that you won't do anything bad.
 
2014-02-18 12:34:26 PM  

Russ1642: I hate laws that don't take into account intent.


But intent is subjective.  It's why so many people hate "stand your ground".  If I'm intending on committing a crime and I'm caught with a gun where I shouldn't have one, can't I just say it was an accident?  How do we decide?

Intent has it's place in criminal law, but it's not here.
 
2014-02-18 12:34:41 PM  

Trivia Jockey: dittybopper: but what about the inadvertent exceptions?

There are certain things so inherently dangerous that we've placed strict liability on them.  That's so we don't have to try and determine someone's subjective intent.  Guns are one of those things.  There should not be any exceptions for inadvertence.


So you are saying that yes, you want to make gun ownership as legally risky for the gun owner as you possibly can, given the constraints of the Heller and McDonald decisions which take out-right bans off the table.

How do you feel about people being charged with a felony for having an expended round of ammunition without a permit?  That's basically the same thing:  Strict liability.
 
2014-02-18 12:34:57 PM  

dittybopper: Constantly, or just that one time because you were in a rush? Because they'd both be punished exactly the same.


Except, as others have pointed out, they aren't in court.  Which is where punishment occurs.

You have your sh*t together on gun rights, Ditty, but you don't need to take the idiot gun-owner's side just because both of you happen to own guns.  I don't take idiot car-owners' sides in things, nor idiot parents' sides, nor idiot liberals.  Is the group that lives by the philosophy "I'm too preoccupied to have a clue where my gun is" really the team that deserves your support?

Or is it that you're in that group?  If so, then by all means fire away.
 
2014-02-18 12:36:35 PM  

ChipNASA: GET PROPER TRAINING AND THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.


hnn.us
 
2014-02-18 12:36:42 PM  
I accidentally went over the speed limit, officer. Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 12:37:18 PM  
I accidentally left my baby in the car while I went shopping, officer.  Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 12:38:14 PM  

Serious Black: "I would tell you that a lot of people carry a weapon," said state Rep. Alan Powell, a Republican who supports the bill. "It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have, you know, they basically forget they've got it in a briefcase or a suitcase."

If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.



They didn't forget where their gun was, they forgot they couldn't carry it into an airport. (Or whatever restricted venue)
 
2014-02-18 12:38:48 PM  
People who accid... oooooooh.  You mean dumbasses.
 
2014-02-18 12:38:52 PM  

Nick Nostril: People really shouldn't be allowed to own guns.



0/10
 
2014-02-18 12:38:54 PM  

dittybopper: Trivia Jockey: It includes: knowing where your gun is at all times,

I'm 50 miles away from my guns, and have been for several hours.  I can't guarantee with 100% certainty where they are.  Am I irresponsible?


So you're saying that you should only beheld responsible for knowing where your guns are with 100% certainty if you are physically in possession of them at that moment?
 
GBB
2014-02-18 12:38:57 PM  
So, I'm thinking about hijacking a plane.  My plan is, I'm going to sneak a gun on-board and storm the cockpit.  The gun will come in handy to either force the pilot/co-pilot to open the door, or shoot the lock on the door.

Of course, the easiest way to sneak the gun on-board is to slide it through security and if they catch it, I'll just claim I forgot about it.

mikeandvalblogging.files.wordpress.com
Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding.   Criminals mock society's laws
 
2014-02-18 12:38:58 PM  
COOL STORY TIEM!!

So for my 10th birthday my mom let my friends and I make a campfire in our sandpit.

This is about 6 acres of sand, nothing flammable, my mom was the secretary to the Fire Chief. The only reason this was allowed was to celebrate that fact that all four of us had recently received our "fire safety" Girl Scout badges. We had a bucket of water, a fire circle and adult supervision.

My neighbors called the police anyway, and the big dumb cop showed up all blustering and angry- because of the serious threat the four little girls were to his manhood or something- and took his gun out and put it on the hood of his car.

After my mom showed him her permit he drove off. With his gun and badge still on the top of his car.
When we found it, we were smart enough to leave it where it was and get my mom, because even though we were 10 year old children, we were smart enough to understand that fire arms are dangerous.

My mom tore an absolute strip off that cop.
 
2014-02-18 12:38:58 PM  
I accidentally left my cigarette burning while falling asleep and now my two cats and 3 kids are dead, officer. Mulligan?
 
2014-02-18 12:38:59 PM  
I carry and more than once I've gone somewhere I shouldn't have gone while carrying.  Nobody got shot.  Shocking!
 
2014-02-18 12:39:16 PM  

factoryconnection: but you don't need to take the idiot gun-owner's side just because both of you happen to own guns


I don't think you understand how absolutist positions work.  He argues stupid shiat because his position is fundamentally grounded on stupid shiat.
 
2014-02-18 12:39:45 PM  

dittybopper: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.

Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE


Ignorantia Juris Nemi Nem Excusat

"With Great power comes Great Responsibility"
 
2014-02-18 12:40:01 PM  

KidneyStone: I carry and more than once I've gone somewhere I shouldn't have gone while carrying.  Nobody got shot.  Shocking!


And you should have been arrested, (ir)responsible gun owner.
 
2014-02-18 12:40:22 PM  

dittybopper: So you are saying that yes, you want to make gun ownership as legally risky for the gun owner as you possibly can


No, I want to make irresponsible gun ownership as legally risky as possible.
 
2014-02-18 12:40:30 PM  

Blues_X: Who knew that jizz could shoot over three rows in a movie theater?


I think everyone on Fark knows that...
 
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