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(Politico)   GA lawmakers introduce bill to protect gun owners who "accidentally" carry a gun into an airport. "A lot of people carry a weapon. It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have {it}"   (m.politico.com) divider line 403
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2014-02-18 11:16:57 AM
"I would tell you that a lot of people carry a weapon," said state Rep. Alan Powell, a Republican who supports the bill. "It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have, you know, they basically forget they've got it in a briefcase or a suitcase."

If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.
 
2014-02-18 11:21:11 AM

Serious Black: If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.


This. Your right to a gun does not absolve you from your responsibility for it.
 
2014-02-18 11:22:40 AM

Serious Black: If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.


If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.

If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.

If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.
 
2014-02-18 11:23:32 AM
Sure, they'll just take it from you and donate it to needy children.
 
2014-02-18 11:24:33 AM
Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.
 
2014-02-18 11:26:42 AM
Please, like each of you brainiacs knows exactly where all the paperclips you own are located at any given time
 
2014-02-18 11:28:25 AM

BunkoSquad: Please, like each of you brainiacs knows exactly where all the paperclips you own are located at any given time


Only a handful of us can take over an airplane with a paperclip.
 
2014-02-18 11:29:27 AM

markie_farkie: If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.


Agreed.

Now this for no reason.

imageshack.com
 
2014-02-18 11:29:51 AM

Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.



Nothing in this thread could be said better than this.
 
2014-02-18 11:30:43 AM

Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.


Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE
 
2014-02-18 11:31:07 AM

Serious Black: "I would tell you that a lot of people carry a weapon," said state Rep. Alan Powell, a Republican who supports the bill. "It's almost like it's just a second nature to them. And sometimes they forget where they have, you know, they basically forget they've got it in a briefcase or a suitcase."

If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.


Thread done.  Turn out the lights please.

/well said
 
2014-02-18 11:33:49 AM

dittybopper: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.

Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE


"Oops, I broke the law"
 
2014-02-18 11:35:25 AM

dittybopper: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.

Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE



"I accidentally ran over that baby."
 
2014-02-18 11:36:27 AM

Blues_X: "I accidentally ran over that baby."


"I forgot armed robbery was illegal."
 
2014-02-18 11:37:23 AM
"Sorry I drove over your grandma, but my phone buzzed and I had to see who the text was from, could have happened to anybody"
 
2014-02-18 11:38:11 AM
"Who knew that jizz could shoot over three rows in a movie theater? My bad."
 
2014-02-18 11:39:04 AM
True CSB time:

The last restaurant I worked at, there was a loaded gun found on the back of the toilet in the men's room.

It was an off duty officer's weapon.

/end CSB
 
2014-02-18 11:40:38 AM

Trivia Jockey: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.


Nothing in this thread could be said better than this.


How about ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE.

The current policy is largely "zero tolerance", with the rare and sane exception being news:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2014-01-29/news/os-sanford-airpo rt -holds-passenger-gun-20140129_1_orlando-international-airport-conceale d-weapon-permit-holders-armed-passenger

Why not just make a "gun check" part of the process?  If you have a gun, and are legally permitted to carry it, why not just provide people who inadvertently carry into an airport security zone a way to store their guns on the premises until they return?

That would accomplish the goal of a "gun free zone" in the passenger terminals and by extension on the aircraft, so what harm would be done?

Really, other than making carrying a gun as legally dicey as you possibly can in as many situations as you possibly can in order to make people shy away from it, what possible opposition can you have to something like that?
 
2014-02-18 11:43:31 AM

dittybopper: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.

Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE


First time offender is unlikely to do prison time. The gubbamint may just take their guns away -which is a suitable punishment for being that irresponsible.
 
2014-02-18 11:44:23 AM

James!: dittybopper: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.

Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE

"Oops, I broke the law"


"Oops, my inspection sticker expired two weeks ago.  Lifetime revocation of drivers license..."
 
2014-02-18 11:46:05 AM

dittybopper: Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.


Forgetting you have a loaded pistol in your pocket is a pretty f*cking big unintentional and inadvertent mistake.  Especially when you go to a high-security area like an airport.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm all for laws that disincentivize gun owners from being less than hyper-careful with their guns.
 
2014-02-18 11:47:28 AM

dittybopper: "Oops, my inspection sticker expired two weeks ago. Lifetime revocation of drivers license..."


If you are seriously equating this with the carrying of a loaded weapon, then your priorities are more skewed than a Fox News poll.
 
2014-02-18 11:48:56 AM

dittybopper: How about ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE.


Counterpoint:

www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-02-18 11:49:40 AM

dittybopper: Trivia Jockey: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.


Nothing in this thread could be said better than this.

How about ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE.

The current policy is largely "zero tolerance", with the rare and sane exception being news:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2014-01-29/news/os-sanford-airpo rt -holds-passenger-gun-20140129_1_orlando-international-airport-conceale d-weapon-permit-holders-armed-passenger

Why not just make a "gun check" part of the process?  If you have a gun, and are legally permitted to carry it, why not just provide people who inadvertently carry into an airport security zone a way to store their guns on the premises until they return?

That would accomplish the goal of a "gun free zone" in the passenger terminals and by extension on the aircraft, so what harm would be done?

Really, other than making carrying a gun as legally dicey as you possibly can in as many situations as you possibly can in order to make people shy away from it, what possible opposition can you have to something like that?



So now the airport has to build lockers for gun storage and I guess the TSA is responsible for making sure those don't get raided.

How about people just learn what the law is?
 
2014-02-18 11:51:10 AM

dittybopper: inadvertently carry


Much like the "accidental discharge" that I am positive only exists in the realm of unicorns and leprechauns, I don't think inadvertent carrying of a gun exists. We are talking about a tool whose sole purpose is to annihilate anything and everything that the business end is pointed towards. I believe a responsible gun owner should know where their potentially deadly firearms are at all times. If that's too much for you to handle, you shouldn't own a gun.
 
2014-02-18 11:52:28 AM

dittybopper: Trivia Jockey: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.


Nothing in this thread could be said better than this.

How about ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE.

The current policy is largely "zero tolerance", with the rare and sane exception being news:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2014-01-29/news/os-sanford-airpo rt -holds-passenger-gun-20140129_1_orlando-international-airport-conceale d-weapon-permit-holders-armed-passenger

Why not just make a "gun check" part of the process?  If you have a gun, and are legally permitted to carry it, why not just provide people who inadvertently carry into an airport security zone a way to store their guns on the premises until they return?

That would accomplish the goal of a "gun free zone" in the passenger terminals and by extension on the aircraft, so what harm would be done?

Really, other than making carrying a gun as legally dicey as you possibly can in as many situations as you possibly can in order to make people shy away from it, what possible opposition can you have to something like that?


Because

a) anyone who forgets they're armed when entering an airport is already being irresponsible
b) you have a place to check it. It's called your car or your house.
c) why just guns? How about my bottle of water, razor blade, and leatherman?
d) and you now want to extend the reach of the TSA by letting them hold on to your 2nd amendment sticks. Brilliant!
 
2014-02-18 11:53:37 AM

Serious Black: I believe a responsible gun owner should know where their potentially deadly firearms are at all times. If that's too much for you to handle, you shouldn't own a gun.


THIS THIS THIS THIS
 
2014-02-18 11:55:11 AM
On one hand, a "gun check" service, for a whopping fee (this is an airport after all) seems like a fine business decision.  A significant slice of the population is unable to leave the house without their firearms, and yet do so without killing people at every stop.  The irony is of course that they're uncomfortable in their home town without weapons but will fly to strange cities without them.  Whatever... fine.  Gun check it.

On the other hand: KEEP TRACK OF YOUR F*CKING WEAPONS
 
2014-02-18 11:55:28 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: dittybopper: Rev.K: Nothing to see here folks, just more Responsible Gun OwnershipTM

Because nothing says Responsible Gun OwnershipTM  quite like passing laws to protect negligent gun-owners.

Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE

First time offender is unlikely to do prison time. The gubbamint may just take their guns away -which is a suitable punishment for being that irresponsible.


Permanently.   It is a felony, right?

It's akin to any number of other things that would be accommodated normally.

For example, I occasionally go to family court, because I'm a foster parent.  On the odd occasions that I forget it's in my pocket (which has happened), the bailiffs at the metal detector will hold on to my pocket knife until I come back out of the court room.

That's how it *SHOULD* be.

I don't think anyone would accuse me of being an "irresponsible knife owner".

If society accepts the fact people can legally carry weapons, and most of the people in the United States live in places where that is the norm:

i62.tinypic.com

Then why should we make it as legally risky as possible for them, if for no other reason than you want to discourage them from carrying as much as you possibly can get away with?
 
2014-02-18 12:00:50 PM

Trivia Jockey: dittybopper: Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

Forgetting you have a loaded pistol in your pocket is a pretty f*cking big unintentional and inadvertent mistake.  Especially when you go to a high-security area like an airport.


What about in a bag you carry for other purposes (like car trips, etc.)?

Generally, that's what happens, not the one in the pocket, the one in the bag you use for other things besides airline flights.
 
Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm all for laws that disincentivize gun owners from being less than hyper-careful with their guns.

So, you're of the mind that people should be strictly punished when they have no ill intent, merely because they are gun owners.

Are you of the same mind for people who drive cars?  Do you think drivers who exceed the speed limit in school zones should have their driving privileges permanently revoked for the the first offense, and have their car seized, even though it was inadvertent?  After all, it's a farkin' *SCHOOL ZONE*.  They could kill a kid by going 30 MPH instead of 20.

Is that the sort of thing you are generally agreeable with, or is it just because *GUNZ!*?
 
2014-02-18 12:01:23 PM

dittybopper: Because nothing says "Common Sense Gun LawsTM" than sending people to prison for unintentional and inadvertent mistakes.

ZERO TOLERANCE = ZERO INTELLIGENCE


The article mentions how they face possible fines and prison time, but charges are typically dismissed against first time offenders if they take a class. Sounds like the exact opposite of zero tolerance.
 
2014-02-18 12:02:17 PM

dittybopper: What about in a bag you carry for other purposes (like car trips, etc.)?

Generally, that's what happens, not the one in the pocket, the one in the bag you use for other things besides airline flights.


I make sure there's no "too big bottle of contact lens solution" in that bag before I go to the airport, because I'm aware enough to know THAT I AM GOING TO THE AIRPORT
 
2014-02-18 12:03:17 PM

exick: The article mentions how they face possible fines and prison time, but charges are typically dismissed against first time offenders if they take a class. Sounds like the exact opposite of zero tolerance.


Quiet now, you're upsetting his paranoia.  He has graphs, sir!
 
2014-02-18 12:05:14 PM

BunkoSquad: I make sure there's no "too big bottle of contact lens solution" in that bag before I go to the airport, because I'm aware enough to know THAT I AM GOING TO THE AIRPORT


Sorry, but if you think that requiring people to put the same level of thought into CCW and packing toiletries is reasonable restriction, then you are a f*cking commie pinko gun-grabbing, lily-livered, ummm....

Oh!  Hoplophobe!
 
2014-02-18 12:07:05 PM

dittybopper: What about in a bag you carry for other purposes (like car trips, etc.)?


When you're not on a car trip, is that bag locked up in a safe where only you and other authorized persons can get to it like the NRA suggests? While on car trips, can you correctly tell me the location of your potentially deadly firearm at all times and ensure that nobody unauthorized can get to it like the NRA suggests? If the answer to either question is no, then you're an irresponsible gun owner.
 
2014-02-18 12:07:14 PM

dittybopper: I don't think anyone would accuse me of being an "irresponsible knife owner".


False analogy. A gun is not a knife.

Unless of course, you think it's smart to bring a knife to a gunfight.
 
2014-02-18 12:09:09 PM

enry: Because

a) anyone who forgets they're armed when entering an airport is already being irresponsible


Because you've never forgotten you had something in a bag.

b) you have a place to check it. It's called your car or your house.

OK, how about this:  Make money off it by charging like they do for parking.  It could be a revenue stream for the airports.  Say, a $25 initial charge, and a dollar a day after that, with guns not claimed after 6 months being auctioned off.

Alternatively, have a vendor that sells TSA-approved gun cases.  Charge a premium for those, and a surcharge to have them placed in the baggage compartment so you can retrieve it at your destination.

c) why just guns? How about my bottle of water, razor blade, and leatherman?

Well, when you have a leatherman that costs hundreds of dollars like even the most cheap handgun, I'd be fine with that.

d) and you now want to extend the reach of the TSA by letting them hold on to your 2nd amendment sticks. Brilliant!

Are you saying I can't trust the government?
 
2014-02-18 12:09:50 PM

dittybopper: So, you're of the mind that people should be strictly punished when they have no ill intent, merely because they are gun owners.


Yes.  The more dangerous the subject matter, the move severe the punishment.  Intent just makes things too subjective.

Again, if the goal is to incentivize responsible gun ownership (which the basis for the gun lobby opposing ANY gun restrictions), then you have to make sure the law has the power to so incentivize.  If you can get away with being careless because you had no ill intent, well then the laws are just promoting carelessness.  Or at least permitting it.  I do NOT want that.


Are you of the same mind for people who drive cars?

Depends on what you're talking about.  DUI?  Yes, absolutely.  Now you're talking a danger on par with gun possession.


Do you think drivers who exceed the speed limit in school zones should have their driving privileges permanently revoked for the the first offense, and have their car seized, even though it was inadvertent?  After all, it's a farkin' *SCHOOL ZONE*.  They could kill a kid by going 30 MPH instead of 20.

False equivalence.  The difference in speed from 20 to 30, even in a school zone, is not a clear and present danger.  At least when you consider causality.  Now if you're talking about going 100 in a school zone, yes, you might be in the same territory.
 
2014-02-18 12:10:56 PM

BunkoSquad: dittybopper: What about in a bag you carry for other purposes (like car trips, etc.)?

Generally, that's what happens, not the one in the pocket, the one in the bag you use for other things besides airline flights.

I make sure there's no "too big bottle of contact lens solution" in that bag before I go to the airport, because I'm aware enough to know THAT I AM GOING TO THE AIRPORT


And you think that's rational?

You think that should be the norm?
 
2014-02-18 12:11:28 PM
Obviously Airports need to get into the business of gun storage because gun owners can't be bothered to know where their guns are.
 
2014-02-18 12:12:08 PM

dittybopper: And you think that's rational?

You think that should be the norm?


I think current airport security is completely irrational. That doesn't mean I want to be on the news.
 
2014-02-18 12:12:20 PM

James!: BunkoSquad: Please, like each of you brainiacs knows exactly where all the paperclips you own are located at any given time

Only a handful of us can take over an airplane with a paperclip.


Welcome to the no-fly list.
 
2014-02-18 12:12:37 PM

dittybopper: BunkoSquad: dittybopper: What about in a bag you carry for other purposes (like car trips, etc.)?

Generally, that's what happens, not the one in the pocket, the one in the bag you use for other things besides airline flights.

I make sure there's no "too big bottle of contact lens solution" in that bag before I go to the airport, because I'm aware enough to know THAT I AM GOING TO THE AIRPORT

And you think that's rational?

You think that should be the norm?


I think it should be the norm that you know what's in your luggage.
 
2014-02-18 12:13:01 PM
If you forget that you are carrying a weapon designed to kill people, you're a dipsh*t.

Case closed.

Good day, sir.
 
2014-02-18 12:14:21 PM
Before I head to the airport, I give myself a thorough pat-down just to be sure that I *don't* inadvertently go in with a weapon.
 
2014-02-18 12:15:20 PM

James!: I think it should be the norm that you know what's in your luggage.


Yeah but if you own 75 bags and only 61 of them have guns in them, who has time to keep track of that
 
2014-02-18 12:16:29 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: James!: BunkoSquad: Please, like each of you brainiacs knows exactly where all the paperclips you own are located at any given time

Only a handful of us can take over an airplane with a paperclip.

Welcome to the no-fly list.


I don't need to fly, I move about the planet through the power of advanced yoga.
 
2014-02-18 12:17:08 PM

Serious Black: If you forget where your gun is, you are an irresponsible gun owner. Period.


Seconded.


BunkoSquad: Please, like each of you brainiacs knows exactly where all the paperclips you own are located at any given time


:-O    You've seen my work desk?
 
2014-02-18 12:18:38 PM

Witty Comment: True CSB time:

The last restaurant I worked at, there was a loaded gun found on the back of the toilet in the men's room.

It was an off duty officer's weapon.

/end CSB


Take the cannoli.
 
2014-02-18 12:19:06 PM

BunkoSquad: James!: I think it should be the norm that you know what's in your luggage.

Yeah but if you own 75 bags and only 61 of them have guns in them, who has time to keep track of that


I have several bags prepacked for any potential trip. Some of them may or may not have guns in them.  How am I to be held responsible for checking before I leave my house?
 
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