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2014-02-18 11:45:48 AM
*cough cough*
 
2014-02-18 11:46:18 AM
Expect to see a rise in lawsuits against school districts because someone's child got sick in 1...2...3
 
2014-02-18 11:46:36 AM
Kind of sounds like a problem that will solve itself.

/ or destroy us all
 
2014-02-18 11:47:28 AM

Bermuda59: Expect to see a rise in lawsuits against school districts because someone's child got sick in 1...2...3


That's a very non-specific timetable you've got there ;-)
 
2014-02-18 11:48:30 AM
Aw DAMNIT! C'mon Michigan!
 
2014-02-18 11:48:38 AM

Bermuda59: Expect to see a rise in lawsuits against school districts because someone's child got sick in 1...2...3


Screw that, sue the parents of the un-vaccinated kids.
 
2014-02-18 11:49:38 AM
I could have told you anti vaxers are blue state derpers.

Now the anti fluridation crowd are red staters.
 
2014-02-18 11:50:08 AM
Here in Michigan, damn do we have a lot of those assholes. No, your breast milk will not cure a kid's whooping cough.  Then again, these are the same idiots who think that drinking a placenta milkshake will stop childbirth related bleeding quicker or that genetically modified produce will murder your kids or that every kid is allergic to gluten or whatever stupid bullshiat is coming out of your mouth today.

Anyone who thinks that the anti-science idiots are restricted to the Republican party don't know enough hippies.
 
2014-02-18 11:50:43 AM
If I did live in those areas, wouldn't my kids (who would be vaccinated) compete more successfully against those kids with the stupid parents?  Maybe you should want to live in those areas, just be thorough with the shot regimen.

Of course, you might have to explain to your kids why Billy and Sally next door are in the hospital, or always on crutches...
 
2014-02-18 11:51:04 AM

Oldiron_79: I could have told you anti vaxers are blue state derpers.

Now the anti fluridation crowd are red staters.


Anti-fluoridation are actually typically the same as the anti-vaxxers.

And I was shocked when I found out that West Virginia and Mississippi have made it illegal to opt out of vaccines.
 
2014-02-18 11:51:18 AM
1. Washington's rate means that 1 in 25 kids have idiot parents, and the vast majority of those idiots are in Eastern Washington, the Alabama of the Pacific Northwest. We have a huge wall of mountains between us and them, and that has helped corral quite a bit of stupidity, including that bit of stupidity, to the east. When the epidemic hits, the mean IQ of the state should shoot upwards.
2. There's no helping Oregon. The state recognizes that they're the country's anti-vaxxer leader, yet state Republicans are actively fighting the state's efforts to make it harder to refuse vaccination, lamenting that it's "taking away the choices of parents as to how they raise their kids." It's not just stupid people - it's stupid Republicans.
 
2014-02-18 11:52:16 AM
The highest number was 6%+.  Unless 6%+ really means somewhere around 25%, I'm still calling this a very small but very loud minority.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-02-18 11:52:24 AM
There are Pro-VAX people?  I thought Digital Equipment Corp. was out of business?

I changed to Linux long ago...
 
2014-02-18 11:53:33 AM
QUICK! Let us all conflate optional flu vaccines for those with weak immune systems with the myriad of other vaccines that are actually a good idea!
 
2014-02-18 11:53:37 AM

meanmutton: Here in Michigan, damn do we have a lot of those assholes. No, your breast milk will not cure a kid's whooping cough.  Then again, these are the same idiots who think that drinking a placenta milkshake will stop childbirth related bleeding quicker or that genetically modified produce will murder your kids or that every kid is allergic to gluten or whatever stupid bullshiat is coming out of your mouth today.

Anyone who thinks that the anti-science idiots are restricted to the Republican party don't know enough hippies.


Well yeah, that is why we generally make fun of the dirty dam hippies and don't make them our representatives. We liberals are not crazy, unlike the fraking Republitards.
 
2014-02-18 11:53:37 AM

Oh_Enough_Already: They forgot to somehow blame men for this, bad Jezbians!


A Jezebel article that isn't troll bait and is informative?  Color me shocked.
 
2014-02-18 11:53:38 AM

whatsupchuck: If I did live in those areas, wouldn't my kids (who would be vaccinated) compete more successfully against those kids with the stupid parents?  Maybe you should want to live in those areas, just be thorough with the shot regimen.

Of course, you might have to explain to your kids why Billy and Sally next door are in the hospital, or always on crutches...


The problem is if your kids are not fully vaccinated yet due to either being too young or having some medical contraindication (i.e. allergic to the vaccine). Also, vaccines are not 100% successful
 
2014-02-18 11:53:41 AM
I for the life of me can't figure out why IL has such a high rate of anti-vaxxer stupidity.  Is it the soccer-moms in the wealthy, yuppy suburbs who watch too much daytime TV?  Is it the country bumpkins south of I-80?  What's the deal?
 
2014-02-18 11:53:45 AM

Oldiron_79: I could have told you anti vaxers are blue state derpers.

Now the anti fluridation crowd are red staters.


You do realize that Oregon, the worst state in the country, are in the red because of Republicans, right - state Republicans are actively fighting against state efforts to make it harder for Oregonians to opt out of vaccination, because Republicans claim that it's against religious freedom.


Same goes for Washington. It's not a "blue state" vs. "red state" issue, but a "secular vs. religious" and "smart vs. dumb" issue.

 
2014-02-18 11:54:23 AM
Jenny McCarthy thread!
 
2014-02-18 11:54:50 AM
I probably posted this before, but my best friend's sister has allowed her husband to convince to be an anti-vaxxer. Best part about it, she's an RN in a Nicu.

A few months ago, she went on a rant about how some hospitals treat their nurses bad if they don't get flu shots and she was happy that her hospital only made her wear a mask.

I told her brother that I was actually glad to read her rant. I now know that if my asthmatic kids are ever in a hospital and treated by a nurse with a mask that it's time to request a new nurse.
 
2014-02-18 11:55:23 AM
You know how to fix this? USE THE GODDAM GOVERNMENT, that's how. Public health drives like the ones used to rid the country of infectious diseases, instead of relying on parents to get their kids vaccinated on their own time/dime, would solve a PUBLIC HEALTH problem. Kids should be lined up for shots on the first day of school every year, the way they were when I was a kid. You want a personal belief waiver, you have to state your "beliefs" in writing.
 
2014-02-18 11:55:29 AM
I can see the ad campaign now: "Women - keep your vagina closed unless you can properly look after what you push out of it."
 
2014-02-18 11:56:30 AM

whatsupchuck: If I did live in those areas, wouldn't my kids (who would be vaccinated) compete more successfully against those kids with the stupid parents?  Maybe you should want to live in those areas, just be thorough with the shot regimen.

Of course, you might have to explain to your kids why Billy and Sally next door are in the hospital, or always on crutches...


Not entirely. The best way to describe vaccines is they're like a sea wall/line of dunes in defense against flooding, as opposed to an impenetrable barrier.

If the water (Viral load your kid is exposed to) is high enough, it can still breach/flow over the errected defenses.

or, you know, provide a breeding population so the virus has an easier time mutating.
 
2014-02-18 11:57:09 AM

machoprogrammer: Oldiron_79: I could have told you anti vaxers are blue state derpers.

Now the anti fluridation crowd are red staters.

Anti-fluoridation are actually typically the same as the anti-vaxxers.

And I was shocked when I found out that West Virginia and Mississippi have made it illegal to opt out of vaccines.


NO, they are complete opposites. Anti vaxers are hippies that think asian herbs and magic cryatals will cure polio.

Anti fluridation crowd are redneck "Obama's a seekrit muslin" crowd.
 
2014-02-18 11:57:48 AM
It's ok guys, let them have their fun...

There's a concept called the herd immunity threshold.

Once, vaccinations reach a certain percentage, the diseases behave as if everybody has been vaccinated because there aren't enough un-vaccinated people for the disease to populate.

In most cases, the threshold is about 85%, but I can't find anything higher than 94%

Since the deepest red on the map only shows 6% non-participant rate, it should work out.
 
2014-02-18 11:58:04 AM

gnosis301: The highest number was 6%+.  Unless 6%+ really means somewhere around 25%, I'm still calling this a very small but very loud minority.


That's the thing, though. 6% translates to roughly "1 in 17 kids", or, in other words, there's a pretty good chance that there's at least one kid in every friggin' classroom that hasn't had his shots. And, if he gets full-blown measles, or whooping cough, well, those of you that haven't had boosters lately are going to discover the hard way just how communicative a communicative disease can be - just ask California how they're dealing with whooping cough at present.

Yes, it's small, and yes, it's loud, but, more importantly, it's stupid and it's growing. I can't wait to see diseases that had been more or less eradicated in the industrialized world come back in force thanks to a small, loud, stupid, and growing minority.
 
2014-02-18 11:58:24 AM

meanmutton: Here in Michigan, damn do we have a lot of those assholes. No, your breast milk will not cure a kid's whooping cough.  Then again, these are the same idiots who think that drinking a placenta milkshake will stop childbirth related bleeding quicker or that genetically modified produce will murder your kids or that every kid is allergic to gluten or whatever stupid bullshiat is coming out of your mouth today.

Anyone who thinks that the anti-science idiots are restricted to the Republican party don't know enough hippies.


Hippies are harmless though.
But you are completely right in that anti-science is on both sides. The difference is that, on a national level, one party embraces said anti-science approach and the other kinda shuts its members down.
 
2014-02-18 11:58:33 AM

Oldiron_79: machoprogrammer: Oldiron_79: I could have told you anti vaxers are blue state derpers.

Now the anti fluridation crowd are red staters.

Anti-fluoridation are actually typically the same as the anti-vaxxers.

And I was shocked when I found out that West Virginia and Mississippi have made it illegal to opt out of vaccines.

NO, they are complete opposites. Anti vaxers are hippies that think asian herbs and magic cryatals will cure polio.

Anti fluridation crowd are redneck "Obama's a seekrit muslin" crowd.


At least here in CA, the anti-vaxxers tend to be fundies.
 
2014-02-18 11:59:01 AM

machoprogrammer: The problem is if your kids are not fully vaccinated yet due to either being too young or having some medical contraindication (i.e. allergic to the vaccine). Also, vaccines are not 100% successful


Or if you're elderly and the vaccine wore off.  Or an immigrant from some place that never had the vaccine.  Or if you're immunocompromised in any way....

Just because 6% (a seemingly small number) opt out of the vaccine doesn't mean that the other 94% of the population is immune.  There's a certain point at which herd immunity disappears, when enough healthy people opt out for sky fairy-related reasons that it threatens the entire population.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-02-18 11:59:13 AM

usafdave: Jenny McCarthy thread!


You can always turn down the volume on the TV, or torrent old Playboy videos of her where she isn't talking about anything...
 
2014-02-18 12:00:01 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: They forgot to somehow blame men for this, bad Jezbians!


That's because it's the dumb babby mommas falling for this claptrap.
 
2014-02-18 12:00:24 PM

Felgraf: whatsupchuck: If I did live in those areas, wouldn't my kids (who would be vaccinated) compete more successfully against those kids with the stupid parents?  Maybe you should want to live in those areas, just be thorough with the shot regimen.

Of course, you might have to explain to your kids why Billy and Sally next door are in the hospital, or always on crutches...

Not entirely. The best way to describe vaccines is they're like a sea wall/line of dunes in defense against flooding, as opposed to an impenetrable barrier.

If the water (Viral load your kid is exposed to) is high enough, it can still breach/flow over the errected defenses.

or, you know, provide a breeding population so the virus has an easier time mutating.


Bingo. The more of them there are, the higher the chances of a strain that we can't defend against easily. Think "drug-resistant tuberculosis," but with measles, chicken pox, mumps, pertussis, etc. Once given a foothold, it's amazing just how resilient a breeding population can be...
 
2014-02-18 12:00:55 PM

mbillips: You know how to fix this? USE THE GODDAM GOVERNMENT, that's how. Public health drives like the ones used to rid the country of infectious diseases, instead of relying on parents to get their kids vaccinated on their own time/dime, would solve a PUBLIC HEALTH problem. Kids should be lined up for shots on the first day of school every year, the way they were when I was a kid. You want a personal belief waiver, you have to state your "beliefs" in writing.


No.  You want a personal belief waiver, then FARK YOU.  Go move to some shiatty country in Africa and see how well optional polio vaccination works.
 
2014-02-18 12:01:42 PM

Slaves2Darkness: meanmutton: Here in Michigan, damn do we have a lot of those assholes. No, your breast milk will not cure a kid's whooping cough.  Then again, these are the same idiots who think that drinking a placenta milkshake will stop childbirth related bleeding quicker or that genetically modified produce will murder your kids or that every kid is allergic to gluten or whatever stupid bullshiat is coming out of your mouth today.

Anyone who thinks that the anti-science idiots are restricted to the Republican party don't know enough hippies.

Well yeah, that is why we generally make fun of the dirty dam hippies and don't make them our representatives. We liberals are not crazy, unlike the fraking Republitards.


No, you just elect them President - "We've seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it's connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it." - Barack Obama
 
2014-02-18 12:02:09 PM
I'm afraid that idiots aren't a minority anywhere. They are usually loud, though, so submitter got that right.
 
2014-02-18 12:03:56 PM

FormlessOne: 1. Washington's rate means that 1 in 25 kids have idiot parents, and the vast majority of those idiots are in Eastern Washington, the Alabama of the Pacific Northwest. We have a huge wall of mountains between us and them, and that has helped corral quite a bit of stupidity, including that bit of stupidity, to the east. When the epidemic hits, the mean IQ of the state should shoot upwards.
2. There's no helping Oregon. The state recognizes that they're the country's anti-vaxxer leader, yet state Republicans are actively fighting the state's efforts to make it harder to refuse vaccination, lamenting that it's "taking away the choices of parents as to how they raise their kids." It's not just stupid people - it's stupid Republicans.


Yup. I have met several of them during my time in Oregon. Half of them moved here from Utah. But every single one of them has been Republican.
 
2014-02-18 12:04:32 PM
I think the Illinois numbers will drop with Walgreen's putting a clinic at every other store here.
 
2014-02-18 12:05:00 PM
Mandatory vaccinations where medical exemptions cannot be provided.

Your right to believe dumb shiat ends where those beliefs bring harm to other people. No exceptions.
 
2014-02-18 12:05:07 PM

gnosis301: The highest number was 6%+.  Unless 6%+ really means somewhere around 25%, I'm still calling this a very small but very loud minority.


6% is the critical threshold where diseases are able to get a foothold and spread, endangering those who are not old enough to have received their vaccines, and those with compromised immune systems. It's a big deal.
 
2014-02-18 12:05:50 PM

ladodger34: Oldiron_79: machoprogrammer: Oldiron_79: I could have told you anti vaxers are blue state derpers.

Now the anti fluridation crowd are red staters.

Anti-fluoridation are actually typically the same as the anti-vaxxers.

And I was shocked when I found out that West Virginia and Mississippi have made it illegal to opt out of vaccines.

NO, they are complete opposites. Anti vaxers are hippies that think asian herbs and magic cryatals will cure polio.

Anti fluridation crowd are redneck "Obama's a seekrit muslin" crowd.

At least here in CA, the anti-vaxxers tend to be fundies.


Well not sure about CA, but here in the bible belt vaccines are considered normal everyone should have them,

its the moonbeam hippies that think magic crystals and asian herbs will protect them from diseases, but vaccines will kill you from mercury poisoning.
 
2014-02-18 12:07:19 PM

d23: There are Pro-VAX people?  I thought Digital Equipment Corp. was out of business?

I changed to Linux long ago...


You can pry my VMS from my cold dead fingers.
 
2014-02-18 12:07:21 PM

FormlessOne: 1. Washington's rate means that 1 in 25 kids have idiot parents, and the vast majority of those idiots are in Eastern Washington, the Alabama of the Pacific Northwest. We have a huge wall of mountains between us and them, and that has helped corral quite a bit of stupidity, including that bit of stupidity, to the east. When the epidemic hits, the mean IQ of the state should shoot upwards.
2. There's no helping Oregon. The state recognizes that they're the country's anti-vaxxer leader, yet state Republicans are actively fighting the state's efforts to make it harder to refuse vaccination, lamenting that it's "taking away the choices of parents as to how they raise their kids." It's not just stupid people - it's stupid Republicans.


Are you serious? I live in Seattle -- do you have any idea what the vax rate for schools like Waldorf and Salmon Bay is? My kids' pediatrician was commenting recently on the ridiculous number of whooping cough cases they've had from Salmon Bay, and I don't think you could find a registered Republican in the entire school building. I don't know what will happen to eastern Washington when the epidemic hits, but quite a few schools here are suddenly going to have a lot of places available.
 
2014-02-18 12:07:29 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: I think the Illinois numbers will drop with Walgreen's putting a clinic at every other store here.


BTW in Chicago there is a Walgreen's on every other main street in any direction
/I just wanted to post that to give you a idea of how many there are
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-02-18 12:08:09 PM

the_foo: gnosis301: The highest number was 6%+.  Unless 6%+ really means somewhere around 25%, I'm still calling this a very small but very loud minority.

6% is the critical threshold where diseases are able to get a foothold and spread, endangering those who are not old enough to have received their vaccines, and those with compromised immune systems. It's a big deal.


Yep.  The rights of your rights end at my nose.  It should go for religion as well.
 
2014-02-18 12:08:22 PM

RenownedCurator: FormlessOne: 1. Washington's rate means that 1 in 25 kids have idiot parents, and the vast majority of those idiots are in Eastern Washington, the Alabama of the Pacific Northwest. We have a huge wall of mountains between us and them, and that has helped corral quite a bit of stupidity, including that bit of stupidity, to the east. When the epidemic hits, the mean IQ of the state should shoot upwards.
2. There's no helping Oregon. The state recognizes that they're the country's anti-vaxxer leader, yet state Republicans are actively fighting the state's efforts to make it harder to refuse vaccination, lamenting that it's "taking away the choices of parents as to how they raise their kids." It's not just stupid people - it's stupid Republicans.

Are you serious? I live in Seattle -- do you have any idea what the vax rate for schools like Waldorf and Salmon Bay is? My kids' pediatrician was commenting recently on the ridiculous number of whooping cough cases they've had from Salmon Bay, and I don't think you could find a registered Republican in the entire school building. I don't know what will happen to eastern Washington when the epidemic hits, but quite a few schools here are suddenly going to have a lot of places available.


"Vast majority" != "all of them". Plenty of stupid folks in Western Washington, too, but nowhere near as many.
 
2014-02-18 12:08:34 PM

Oldiron_79: machoprogrammer: Oldiron_79: I could have told you anti vaxers are blue state derpers.

Now the anti fluridation crowd are red staters.

Anti-fluoridation are actually typically the same as the anti-vaxxers.

And I was shocked when I found out that West Virginia and Mississippi have made it illegal to opt out of vaccines.

NO, they are complete opposites. Anti vaxers are hippies that think asian herbs and magic cryatals will cure polio.

Anti fluridation crowd are redneck "Obama's a seekrit muslin" crowd.


Fortunately you've cut right through all the discussion with your absolutist notions.

Thank you for short-circuiting the need for any evidence to back up your claims.
 
2014-02-18 12:09:55 PM

d23: There are Pro-VAX people?  I thought Digital Equipment Corp. was out of business?

I changed to Linux long ago...


We still have a VAX runnning at my workplace
 
2014-02-18 12:10:07 PM

walktoanarcade: QUICK! Let us all conflate optional flu vaccines for those with weak immune systems with the myriad of other vaccines that are actually a good idea!


Getting a flu vaccine is a good idea even for people with good immune systems. It reduces the risk of you passing it on to the people with weak immune systems who are less likely to respond to the vaccine adequately. It also means you are less likely to suffer serious complications if you come down with a case yourself. Some strains, H1N1 in particular, affect the young and healthy far more than other strains do, so having a 'good immune system' (which isn't really a particularly meaningful term anyway) doesn't guarantee the flu won't do you serious damage.

Just get the damn shot (assuming you have no contraindications.) The number of flu deaths that still happen every year is appalling.
 
2014-02-18 12:11:27 PM

the_foo: gnosis301: The highest number was 6%+.  Unless 6%+ really means somewhere around 25%, I'm still calling this a very small but very loud minority.

6% is the critical threshold where diseases are able to get a foothold and spread, endangering those who are not old enough to have received their vaccines, and those with compromised immune systems. It's a big deal.


Why do I feel like you just made that up?
 
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