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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Wallace Shawn says that the Woody Allen sex abuse allegations are INCONCEIVABLE   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 21
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2014-02-18 10:59:43 AM
3 votes:
"In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.
2014-02-18 11:30:37 AM
2 votes:

thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.


Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.
2014-02-18 11:14:08 AM
2 votes:

James!: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.


And Michael Jackson was acquitted. Doesn't mean I'd want my kids around him while he was still alive.
2014-02-18 05:04:28 PM
1 votes:

jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: I am saying all three of them are not exactly credible. Two of them in particular because they are the parties who would be seen as "guilty" if it were true.

It isn't about her age. She was his girlfriends daughter. NOT APPROPRIATE!!!!! But people want to act like " Hey, it's Woody and I kinda enjoy his movies so it's okay." And sorry, it makes zero sense that with him being mommy's boyfriend and daddy to her brothers and sister that she would see him in NO way as a father figure.

Not sure how to continue this discussion if you continue to dismiss the consistent account of the three people involved and the facts that support them. Pigeon chess? And what of the third person? How does it support Mia's agenda by saying that Woody had nothing to do with Sun Yi's upbringing?


And most don't people say or think it's ok or appropriate. One way or the other. Because most people know it's not their business to judge or even care about what two of age total strangers do for love/sex. And again- appropriate, not appropriate, right, wrong- it just doesn't matter. It's apples and oranges. Convicting a person solely because you feel they have it in them or pointing to past (legal and irrelevant) behavior as evidence to their character proves nothing. The issue on hand isn't "is Woody Allen a horny bastard?", it's "did Woody Allen molest his 7 y/o daughter". At this time, as far as I can see, the true actual evidence points to his being innocent of those charges. There's nothing you've presented that has made me question that....

You say you read just fine, but you keep insisting I am saying "Woody did it" when my real statement has been "we will never know, but it is possible".

Funny how you continue to ignore the fact of Woody and Soon-Yi have a good reason to deny what would have been with pretty much any other "family" some sort of father/daughter relationship. And people want to portray Mia as a crazy liar, but them when she says something that bolsters their be ...

Well of course it's possible. Everyone knows that. So what? That's not really saying much of anything at all. What I'm  saying is that the matter was aired, investigated, and then re-aired 20 years later. No convictions. no evidence, no pattern, no other victims. Leave the guy alone.

 And you didn't just say "we'll never know' in a neutral fashion at all.  You keep implying that his behavior with Sun YI opens up and points to his guilt with Dylan. And then you say that I'm ignoring your theory that  Woody/Mia/Sun-Yi all decided topublicly lie  about Woody'sinvolvement- when everyone involved who actually was there and lived through it say otherwise. And the facts support this.  So for what has to be the last time, regardless of what cross agendas you've assigned to them, facts are facts. He's not Sun Yi's her father, he didn't raise her, he didn't live in the same home as her, he had very little contact with her as a child. You painted him as her father figure, Not true.

Also they've been happily married for 20 years. Seems like there was/is substance to Woody's and Sun's connection. Leave them be.


Keep it up, White Knight. Maybe Woody will see this and give you a part in his movie. Never said he was her father. Never said he molested Dylan. Facts are facts his relationship with Soin-Yi was inappropriate and anyone with a rational mind and any kind of impulse control would have avoided it. The fact he didn't speaks to his character or lack thereof. Does NOT make him guilty. Does make people like you who dismiss it with a wave of the hand willfully ignorant.
2014-02-18 04:31:02 PM
1 votes:

James!: The Numbers: James!: The Numbers: I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.

And I'm saying that he was never charged with a crime.  All these accusations were thoroughly vetted 20 years ago and despite how skeeved you may be about how his now 16 year long marriage started that shiat has nothing to do with them.

I think you must either be confusing me with someone else, or just an idiot who assumes everyone who disagrees with you holds the same opinion. I've no opinion at all on his marriage, and have never expressed otherwise. FWIW though I have, in other threads, expressed my belief that Allen is innocent, as there is a clear lack of evidence proving guilt.

I was merely calling one of the arguments you were making stupid, which it was.

Oh right, you're the spontaneous pedo guy.


You treat your ignorance like a badge of honor, don't you?

Hell, with people like you defending him, I can see why these allegations have dragged on for so long...
2014-02-18 01:31:06 PM
1 votes:

jonnya: She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...

"To think that Woody was in any way a father or stepfather to me is laughable. My parents are Andre Previn and Mia, but obviously they're not even my real parents," - Sun Yi Previn

If you're going to take Dylan's words at face value, why not do the same for Sun Yi?

There is another quote out there where Mia Farrow affirms the same thing. Furthermore this is about allegations of him molesting Dylan, not Sun-Yi. Playing the Sun YI card constantly speaks to not one iota of what did or didn't happen in the attic that day...


And yes. The "Soon-Yi card" DOES speak to his character andbthe fact he either doesn't know or doesn't care what is inappropriate. Had he never MET her before they started their relationship, the fact he would cheat on his girlfriend with her daughter makes his character pretty sketchy at best.
2014-02-18 01:12:35 PM
1 votes:

Nix Nightbird: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

[snip]

She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...

Actually, his "biological" child wasn't his--- It was Frank Sinatra's. Mia just lied and told Woody it was his, and then got all the child support money out of him for a kid she knew wasn't his.


Unless something has changed recently that is still speculation.

Don't get me wrong. Mia is a psycho biatch who I think would be very likely to encourage her daughter to believe she was abused even though she wasn't for vindictive reasons. I also believe Woidy is an egimaniac who has proven at the very least he has no idea or doesn't care about what is and is not appropriate behavior sometimes. My original point I still stand by is we will NEVER know what really happened. And anyone who THINKS they do because they read all the "facts" in the newspapers/online, or because Woody/Mia just wouldn't do that "because movies" is an idiot
2014-02-18 12:36:55 PM
1 votes:

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?

Because Mia Farrow emotionally abused her child into believing she was molested.  You may not agree, but that would just be your opinion.

Oh, her child. Not the adult making the accusations now. I do not know for sure if Woody did what she says he did, but I don't immediately dismiss a woman's claim of rape or abuse.

I don't think anyone dismissed her claims. In fact they were thoroughly investigated 20 years ago.


Then, as now, it came down to her word vs. his. He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

It's trickier now, with the all-growed-up Dylan speaking out.
2014-02-18 12:30:12 PM
1 votes:

James!: Cletus C.: Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?

Because Mia Farrow emotionally abused her child into believing she was molested.  You may not agree, but that would just be your opinion.


Oh, her child. Not the adult making the accusations now. I do not know for sure if Woody did what she says he did, but I don't immediately dismiss a woman's claim of rape or abuse.
2014-02-18 12:25:54 PM
1 votes:

James!: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

Really? Because the whole Soon-Yi thing kind of hurts the credibility of that argument. I don't say it means he did it, but it does speak to a lack of judgment on what is appropriate.

Oh goody, please tell us what you think the facts are with him and Soon-Yi.  This is my favorite.


She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can try and spin it all you want, it was grossly inappropriate to start a sexual relationship with her, but not illegal. THOSE are the facts.
2014-02-18 12:23:17 PM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?


Because Mia Farrow emotionally abused her child into believing she was molested.  You may not agree, but that would just be your opinion.
2014-02-18 11:52:07 AM
1 votes:
I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.
2014-02-18 11:45:51 AM
1 votes:

James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.


Really? Because the whole Soon-Yi thing kind of hurts the credibility of that argument. I don't say it means he did it, but it does speak to a lack of judgment on what is appropriate.
2014-02-18 11:38:30 AM
1 votes:

thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.


Sure, when other victims comes forward, that can absolutely be game changer. In this case, that hasn't happened. Which in itself, statistically speaking, points to Allen's innocence.
2014-02-18 11:26:34 AM
1 votes:

jonnya: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Well that's good- because Roman Polanski definitely didn't molest Dylan Farrow. Which is what we're talking about....


Yet another reason why its pretty clear this never happened, Mia openly campaigned for Roman's innocence and wanted to work with him after these supposed events. Any parent who had a child molested would abhor any person who molested any child let alone drugged and anally raped one.
2014-02-18 11:23:29 AM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.


When every bit of evidence taken at the time says it didn't happen then yes she should be ignored, its quite obvious that Mia has a vendetta against Woody that is backed up by her other kids and its known she's nutty as a fruitcake.
2014-02-18 11:06:51 AM
1 votes:
You know what else cannot conceive?

A seven-year-old girl.
2014-02-18 10:33:12 AM
1 votes:
my name is mia farrow, you raped my daughter, prepare to lie
2014-02-18 10:27:50 AM
1 votes:

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.


Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!
2014-02-18 10:07:03 AM
1 votes:
You can tell a story is really heating up when Wallace Motherf*cking Shawn gets involved.
2014-02-18 08:53:12 AM
1 votes:
False memories, Elizabeth Loftus, The Lost in the Mall Technique.

Relevant.


Study it out, Mia Farrow.
 
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