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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Wallace Shawn says that the Woody Allen sex abuse allegations are INCONCEIVABLE   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 138
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2014-02-18 01:15:42 PM  
She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...

"To think that Woody was in any way a father or stepfather to me is laughable. My parents are Andre Previn and Mia, but obviously they're not even my real parents," - Sun Yi Previn

If you're going to take Dylan's words at face value, why not do the same for Sun Yi?

There is another quote out there where Mia Farrow affirms the same thing. Furthermore this is about allegations of him molesting Dylan, not Sun-Yi. Playing the Sun YI card constantly speaks to not one iota of what did or didn't happen in the attic that day...
 
2014-02-18 01:26:33 PM  
I am not taking anyone's words at face value. Not much of a reader are you? Dylan may have been manipulated. We don't know. Soon-Yi DEFINITELY has a vested intrest in distancing herself from any father-daughter relationship they may have had. Everyone has an agenda in this and to dismiss either side out of hand becauae you like the other side less or to champion one side because you idolize them more, which is what the majority of people are doing, is stupid.
 
2014-02-18 01:31:06 PM  

jonnya: She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...

"To think that Woody was in any way a father or stepfather to me is laughable. My parents are Andre Previn and Mia, but obviously they're not even my real parents," - Sun Yi Previn

If you're going to take Dylan's words at face value, why not do the same for Sun Yi?

There is another quote out there where Mia Farrow affirms the same thing. Furthermore this is about allegations of him molesting Dylan, not Sun-Yi. Playing the Sun YI card constantly speaks to not one iota of what did or didn't happen in the attic that day...


And yes. The "Soon-Yi card" DOES speak to his character andbthe fact he either doesn't know or doesn't care what is inappropriate. Had he never MET her before they started their relationship, the fact he would cheat on his girlfriend with her daughter makes his character pretty sketchy at best.
 
2014-02-18 01:32:41 PM  

James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?


Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.
 
2014-02-18 01:36:21 PM  

thefatbasturd: I am not taking anyone's words at face value. Not much of a reader are you? Dylan may have been manipulated. We don't know. Soon-Yi DEFINITELY has a vested intrest in distancing herself from any father-daughter relationship they may have had. Everyone has an agenda in this and to dismiss either side out of hand becauae you like the other side less or to champion one side because you idolize them more, which is what the majority of people are doing, is stupid.


I've dismissed nothing and Champion no one. I'm not even a huge Allen fan. And I read fine. And when I read, I often maintain facts. The facts here point to Woody's innocence. I'd think the same way if he was a non-celeb.

You got quite a few of the facts wrong when you assessed the nature of Woody and Sun-Yi's Relationship. And you didn't even account for Mia also agreeing he wasn't a parental figure to her. Regardless of agenda.

And of course the biggest annoyance in conversations like this one is what I mentioned earlier- It's not about Woody/Sun YI. It's about Woody/Dylan. All of the Allen/Yi farking in the world has no bearing on this case and would be laughably inadmissable if it were to go to trial..... but it didn't go to trial. Because of facts....
 
2014-02-18 01:36:54 PM  
pffft! like wallace shawn has never farked kids.
 
2014-02-18 01:38:54 PM  

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?

Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.


So you have some evidence that he hired experts?

Also, once a child believes something to be true they tend to keep believing it to be true.  Especially if it is constantly reinforced by their family.
 
2014-02-18 01:49:58 PM  

jonnya: thefatbasturd: I am not taking anyone's words at face value. Not much of a reader are you? Dylan may have been manipulated. We don't know. Soon-Yi DEFINITELY has a vested intrest in distancing herself from any father-daughter relationship they may have had. Everyone has an agenda in this and to dismiss either side out of hand becauae you like the other side less or to champion one side because you idolize them more, which is what the majority of people are doing, is stupid.

I've dismissed nothing and Champion no one. I'm not even a huge Allen fan. And I read fine. And when I read, I often maintain facts. The facts here point to Woody's innocence. I'd think the same way if he was a non-celeb.

You got quite a few of the facts wrong when you assessed the nature of Woody and Sun-Yi's Relationship. And you didn't even account for Mia also agreeing he wasn't a parental figure to her. Regardless of agenda.

And of course the biggest annoyance in conversations like this one is what I mentioned earlier- It's not about Woody/Sun YI. It's about Woody/Dylan. All of the Allen/Yi farking in the world has no bearing on this case and would be laughably inadmissable if it were to go to trial..... but it didn't go to trial. Because of facts....


Evidence of all the facts I got wrong? Other than two quotes about the father-daughter relationship from one person who is seen as a liar anyway and Soon-Yi herself who had a bit of a conflict of intrest?

Yeah it is about Woody/Dylan. But you can't dismiss past behavior as evidence to his character. The ONE thing it is safe to say is whatever happened Dylan was a victim. And it's a pretty safe bet BOTH her parents are pretty horrible.
 
2014-02-18 01:52:13 PM  
Was he there when the alleged incidents took place?

No?

Well, then maybe he's just another in a list of celebrity suck-ups who need to STFU and enjoy his obscurity.
 
2014-02-18 02:07:11 PM  

James!: thetrenchcoat: James!: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.

And Michael Jackson was acquitted. Doesn't mean I'd want my kids around him while he was still alive.

What does Michael Jackson have to do with Woody Allen?

I doubt either of them would watch your kids if you asked.


It's good to know the standard of proof for convicting someone of child rape is how comfortable some random person is with them around their kids.
 
2014-02-18 02:10:53 PM  

thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: I am not taking anyone's words at face value. Not much of a reader are you? Dylan may have been manipulated. We don't know. Soon-Yi DEFINITELY has a vested intrest in distancing herself from any father-daughter relationship they may have had. Everyone has an agenda in this and to dismiss either side out of hand becauae you like the other side less or to champion one side because you idolize them more, which is what the majority of people are doing, is stupid.

I've dismissed nothing and Champion no one. I'm not even a huge Allen fan. And I read fine. And when I read, I often maintain facts. The facts here point to Woody's innocence. I'd think the same way if he was a non-celeb.

You got quite a few of the facts wrong when you assessed the nature of Woody and Sun-Yi's Relationship. And you didn't even account for Mia also agreeing he wasn't a parental figure to her. Regardless of agenda.

And of course the biggest annoyance in conversations like this one is what I mentioned earlier- It's not about Woody/Sun YI. It's about Woody/Dylan. All of the Allen/Yi farking in the world has no bearing on this case and would be laughably inadmissable if it were to go to trial..... but it didn't go to trial. Because of facts....

Evidence of all the facts I got wrong? Other than two quotes about the father-daughter relationship from one person who is seen as a liar anyway and Soon-Yi herself who had a bit of a conflict of intrest?

Yeah it is about Woody/Dylan. But you can't dismiss past behavior as evidence to his character. The ONE thing it is safe to say is whatever happened Dylan was a victim. And it's a pretty safe bet BOTH her parents are pretty horrible.


Now I'm just confused. So three of the three primary people involved with the Woody/Mia/Sun Yi connection say he was in no way a parental figure to Sun yi, but you're saying that they have no credibility on the topic, but you do, because you have more insight into their agendas than the rest of us? Ok.

And I'm not saying that Allen courting a 19 y/o back then impresses me, but It is and was perfectly legal and precedented- within that family. Add the fact that they've been happily married for 20 years, I'm not too butthurt about Woody and Sun-yi. Even if I was-  Farking a sexually mature19/20 year old is a lot different than molesting a seven year old. It's weird that people need to have this explained to them. Have you ever picked up a playboy or watch a porno? 20 year olds abound. I'd be an ass to assume that you want to molest a 7 y/o because of that.

I do agree with you about Dylan though. Either way- she was/is an innocent victim in this. I wonder if she regrets writing the Times piece?
 
2014-02-18 02:12:08 PM  

Fano: James!: thetrenchcoat: James!: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.

And Michael Jackson was acquitted. Doesn't mean I'd want my kids around him while he was still alive.

What does Michael Jackson have to do with Woody Allen?

I doubt either of them would watch your kids if you asked.

It's good to know the standard of proof for convicting someone of child rape is how comfortable some random person is with them around their kids.


I wouldn't let Woody Allen babysit my kids!

He asks for full refrigerator privileges and unlimited phone time.
 
2014-02-18 02:12:39 PM  

Fano: James!: thetrenchcoat: James!: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.

And Michael Jackson was acquitted. Doesn't mean I'd want my kids around him while he was still alive.

What does Michael Jackson have to do with Woody Allen?

I doubt either of them would watch your kids if you asked.

It's good to know the standard of proof for convicting someone of child rape is how comfortable some random person is with them around their kids.


I wouldn't let 90% of my friends watch my kids (I don't have kids) it doesn't mean they're child molesters.  They're just drunks.
 
2014-02-18 02:16:52 PM  
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2014-02-18 02:26:15 PM  

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?

Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.

So you have some evidence that he hired experts?

Also, once a child believes something to be true they tend to keep believing it to be true.  Especially if it is constantly reinforced by their family.



Dylan said in her piece "There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child,"

You seem to want to believe the whole brainwashing thing. Vanity Fair has been very comprehensive in its coverage of Woody Allen's alleged abuse of that child. You should read their 10 undeniable facts about the case and take a look at the pdf at the bottom of the article, which is the presiding judge's ruling in Allen's custody dispute against Farrow.

Also, you could read the original 1992 Vanity Fair article. Interesting stuff.
 
2014-02-18 02:36:49 PM  

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?

Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.

So you have some evidence that he hired experts?

Also, once a child believes something to be true they tend to keep believing it to be true.  Especially if it is constantly reinforced by their family.


Dylan said in her piece "There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child,"

You seem to want to believe the whole brainwashing thing. Vanity Fair has been very comprehensive in its coverage of Woody Allen's alleged abuse of that child. You should read their 10 undeniable facts about the case and take a look at the pdf at the bottom of the article, which is the presiding judge's ruling in Allen's custody dispute against Farrow.

Also, you could read the original 1992 Vanity Fair article. Interesting stuff.


Those Vanity Fair interviews with Mia are the bible for her side of the story.  She also accused Soon-Yi of being mentally handicapped in those articles (Soon-Yi was never mentally handicapped).

The original medical and psychological examinations of Dylan showed that she hadn't been abused and that her story changed from interview to interview.  Over time her story came together and she's still telling it to this day.  If something actually happened to her you'd think she'd at least be able to consistently describe it from the start.

Unless you're implying that Woody got to the examiners before he knew of the accusations.
 
2014-02-18 02:57:14 PM  

jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: I am not taking anyone's words at face value. Not much of a reader are you? Dylan may have been manipulated. We don't know. Soon-Yi DEFINITELY has a vested intrest in distancing herself from any father-daughter relationship they may have had. Everyone has an agenda in this and to dismiss either side out of hand becauae you like the other side less or to champion one side because you idolize them more, which is what the majority of people are doing, is stupid.

I've dismissed nothing and Champion no one. I'm not even a huge Allen fan. And I read fine. And when I read, I often maintain facts. The facts here point to Woody's innocence. I'd think the same way if he was a non-celeb.

You got quite a few of the facts wrong when you assessed the nature of Woody and Sun-Yi's Relationship. And you didn't even account for Mia also agreeing he wasn't a parental figure to her. Regardless of agenda.

And of course the biggest annoyance in conversations like this one is what I mentioned earlier- It's not about Woody/Sun YI. It's about Woody/Dylan. All of the Allen/Yi farking in the world has no bearing on this case and would be laughably inadmissable if it were to go to trial..... but it didn't go to trial. Because of facts....

Evidence of all the facts I got wrong? Other than two quotes about the father-daughter relationship from one person who is seen as a liar anyway and Soon-Yi herself who had a bit of a conflict of intrest?

Yeah it is about Woody/Dylan. But you can't dismiss past behavior as evidence to his character. The ONE thing it is safe to say is whatever happened Dylan was a victim. And it's a pretty safe bet BOTH her parents are pretty horrible.

Now I'm just confused. So three of the three primary people involved with the Woody/Mia/Sun Yi connection say he was in no way a parental figure to Sun yi, but you're saying that they have no credibility on the topic, but you do, because you have more insight into their agendas than the rest of us? Ok.

And I'm not saying that Allen courting a 19 y/o back then impresses me, but It is and was perfectly legal and precedented- within that family. Add the fact that they've been happily married for 20 years, I'm not too butthurt about Woody and Sun-yi. Even if I was-  Farking a sexually mature19/20 year old is a lot different than molesting a seven year old. It's weird that people need to have this explained to them. Have you ever picked up a playboy or watch a porno? 20 year olds abound. I'd be an ass to assume that you want to molest a 7 y/o because of that.

I do agree with you about Dylan though. Either way- she was/is an innocent victim in this. I wonder if she regrets writing the Times piece?


I am saying all three of them are not exactly credible. Two of them in particular because they are the parties who would be seen as "guilty" if it were true.

It isn't about her age. She was his girlfriends daughter. NOT APPROPRIATE!!!!! But people want to act like " Hey, it's Woody and I kinda enjoy his movies so it's okay." And sorry, it makes zero sense that with him being mommy's boyfriend and daddy to her brothers and sister that she would see him in NO way as a father figure.
 
2014-02-18 03:05:40 PM  

James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.


There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.
 
2014-02-18 03:14:29 PM  

The Numbers: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.


Ah, so you're saying he just out of the blue decided to molest a 7 year old despite never having been attracted to children before or since?
 
2014-02-18 03:43:30 PM  

James!: The Numbers: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.

Ah, so you're saying he just out of the blue decided to molest a 7 year old despite never having been attracted to children before or since?


Uh huh. That's what he is saying. Not that a compulsion he had managed to hide until that point finally reached the point were he couldn't control it. Just like in almost any other case.

You can White Knight him all you want but it doesn't change the fact that you don't know him at all and it is POSSIBLE he is guilty. Screaming that he 100% could not have done it is as ludicrous as screaming he is 100% guilty.
 
2014-02-18 03:44:54 PM  

thefatbasturd: James!: The Numbers: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.

Ah, so ...


Possibly guilty isn't guilty. In fact he's never even been charged with a crime.
 
2014-02-18 03:46:54 PM  
I'll have to rent My Dinner with Andre, I haven't seen that in awhile.
 
2014-02-18 03:48:30 PM  
I am saying all three of them are not exactly credible. Two of them in particular because they are the parties who would be seen as "guilty" if it were true.

It isn't about her age. She was his girlfriends daughter. NOT APPROPRIATE!!!!! But people want to act like " Hey, it's Woody and I kinda enjoy his movies so it's okay." And sorry, it makes zero sense that with him being mommy's boyfriend and daddy to her brothers and sister that she would see him in NO way as a father figure.


Not sure how to continue this discussion if you continue to dismiss the consistent account of the three people involved and the facts that support them. Pigeon chess? And what of the third person? How does it support Mia's agenda by saying that Woody had nothing to do with Sun Yi's upbringing?


And most don't people say or think it's ok or appropriate. One way or the other. Because most people know it's not their business to judge or even care about what two of age total strangers do for love/sex. And again- appropriate, not appropriate, right, wrong- it just doesn't matter. It's apples and oranges. Convicting a person solely because you feel they have it in them or pointing to past (legal and irrelevant) behavior as evidence to their character proves nothing. The issue on hand isn't "is Woody Allen a horny bastard?", it's "did Woody Allen molest his 7 y/o daughter". At this time, as far as I can see, the true actual evidence points to his being innocent of those charges. There's nothing you've presented that has made me question that....
 
2014-02-18 03:50:55 PM  

thefatbasturd: James!: The Numbers: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.

Ah, so you're saying he just out of the blue decided to molest a 7 year old despite never having been attracted to children before or since?

Uh huh. That's what he is saying. Not that a compulsion he had managed to hide until that point finally reached the point were he couldn't control it. Just like in almost any other case.

You can White Knight him all you want but it doesn't change the fact that you don't know him at all and it is POSSIBLE he is guilty. Screaming that he 100% could not have done it is as ludicrous as screaming he is 100% guilty.


It IS possible that he did it. I just don't like people publicly convicting him based on the fact they think he's a creep.
 
2014-02-18 03:57:01 PM  

James!: The Numbers: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.

Ah, so you're saying he just out of the blue decided to molest a 7 year old despite never having been attracted to children before or since?


I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.
 
2014-02-18 04:04:45 PM  

jonnya: I am saying all three of them are not exactly credible. Two of them in particular because they are the parties who would be seen as "guilty" if it were true.

It isn't about her age. She was his girlfriends daughter. NOT APPROPRIATE!!!!! But people want to act like " Hey, it's Woody and I kinda enjoy his movies so it's okay." And sorry, it makes zero sense that with him being mommy's boyfriend and daddy to her brothers and sister that she would see him in NO way as a father figure.

Not sure how to continue this discussion if you continue to dismiss the consistent account of the three people involved and the facts that support them. Pigeon chess? And what of the third person? How does it support Mia's agenda by saying that Woody had nothing to do with Sun Yi's upbringing?


And most don't people say or think it's ok or appropriate. One way or the other. Because most people know it's not their business to judge or even care about what two of age total strangers do for love/sex. And again- appropriate, not appropriate, right, wrong- it just doesn't matter. It's apples and oranges. Convicting a person solely because you feel they have it in them or pointing to past (legal and irrelevant) behavior as evidence to their character proves nothing. The issue on hand isn't "is Woody Allen a horny bastard?", it's "did Woody Allen molest his 7 y/o daughter". At this time, as far as I can see, the true actual evidence points to his being innocent of those charges. There's nothing you've presented that has made me question that....


You say you read just fine, but you keep insisting I am saying "Woody did it" when my real statement has been "we will never know, but it is possible".

Funny how you continue to ignore the fact of Woody and Soon-Yi have a good reason to deny what would have been with pretty much any other "family" some sort of father/daughter relationship. And people want to portray Mia as a crazy liar, but them when she says something that bolsters their belief, suddenly she is telling the gospel truth.

For the last time: I would not put anything past either one of them. I think they are both probably very narcissistic douchebags. My argument is Wallace Shawn was not there, neither were Woody's fan club members. WE DON'T KNOW IF HE DID IT!!!!!!
 
2014-02-18 04:07:50 PM  

The Numbers: I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.


And I'm saying that he was never charged with a crime.  All these accusations were thoroughly vetted 20 years ago and despite how skeeved you may be about how his now 16 year long marriage started that shiat has nothing to do with them.
 
2014-02-18 04:08:59 PM  
When did Wallace Shawn become an expert on pedophilia?

(This question sorta answers itself, doesn't it?)
 
2014-02-18 04:10:33 PM  
I love the "I'm not saying he did anything, but it sure looks sketchy, but I'm not saying he did anything, but I'm pretty sure he's lying, but don't imply I'm accusing him of anything" angle.
 
2014-02-18 04:14:08 PM  

douchebag/hater: When did Wallace Shawn become an expert on pedophilia?

(This question sorta answers itself, doesn't it?)


Have you ever heard of Townshend, Gadd, Dodgson? MORONS.
 
2014-02-18 04:16:10 PM  

James!: The Numbers: I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.

And I'm saying that he was never charged with a crime.  All these accusations were thoroughly vetted 20 years ago and despite how skeeved you may be about how his now 16 year long marriage started that shiat has nothing to do with them.


I think you must either be confusing me with someone else, or just an idiot who assumes everyone who disagrees with you holds the same opinion. I've no opinion at all on his marriage, and have never expressed otherwise. FWIW though I have, in other threads, expressed my belief that Allen is innocent, as there is a clear lack of evidence proving guilt.

I was merely calling one of the arguments you were making stupid, which it was.
 
2014-02-18 04:17:45 PM  

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?

Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.

So you have some evidence that he hired experts?

Also, once a child believes something to be true they tend to keep believing it to be true.  Especially if it is constantly reinforced by their family.


Dylan said in her piece "There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child,"

You seem to want to believe the whole brainwashing thing. Vanity Fair has been very comprehensive in its coverage of Woody Allen's alleged abuse of that child. You should read their 10 undeniable facts about the case and take a look at the pdf at the bottom of the article, which is the presiding judge's ruling in Allen's custody dispute against Farrow.

Also, you could read the original 1992 Vanity Fair article. Interesting stuff.

Those Vanity Fair interviews with Mia are the bible for her side of the story.  She also accused Soon-Yi of being mentally handicapped in those articles (Soon-Yi was never mentally handicapped).

The original medical and psychological examinations of Dylan showed that she hadn't been abused and that her story changed from interview to interview.  Over time her story came together and she's still telling it to this day.  If something actually happened to her you'd think she'd at least be able to consistently describe it from the start.

Unless you're implying that Woody got to the examiners before ...


You didn't read the 10 undeniable facts, did you? They pretty much refute all you have to say about this.
 
2014-02-18 04:20:03 PM  

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?

Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.

So you have some evidence that he hired experts?

Also, once a child believes something to be true they tend to keep believing it to be true.  Especially if it is constantly reinforced by their family.


Dylan said in her piece "There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child,"

You seem to want to believe the whole brainwashing thing. Vanity Fair has been very comprehensive in its coverage of Woody Allen's alleged abuse of that child. You should read their 10 undeniable facts about the case and take a look at the pdf at the bottom of the article, which is the presiding judge's ruling in Allen's custody dispute against Farrow.

Also, you could read the original 1992 Vanity Fair article. Interesting stuff.

Those Vanity Fair interviews with Mia are the bible for her side of the story.  She also accused Soon-Yi of being mentally handicapped in those articles (Soon-Yi was never mentally handicapped).

The original medical and psychological examinations of Dylan showed that she hadn't been abused and that her story changed from interview to interview.  Over time her story came together and she's still telling it to this day.  If something actually happened to her you'd think she'd at least be able to consistently describe it from the start.

Unless you're implying that Woody got to the examiners ...


I read it.  It's all based on the same interviews with Mia Farrow.
 
2014-02-18 04:20:35 PM  

The Numbers: James!: The Numbers: I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.

And I'm saying that he was never charged with a crime.  All these accusations were thoroughly vetted 20 years ago and despite how skeeved you may be about how his now 16 year long marriage started that shiat has nothing to do with them.

I think you must either be confusing me with someone else, or just an idiot who assumes everyone who disagrees with you holds the same opinion. I've no opinion at all on his marriage, and have never expressed otherwise. FWIW though I have, in other threads, expressed my belief that Allen is innocent, as there is a clear lack of evidence proving guilt.

I was merely calling one of the arguments you were making stupid, which it was.


Oh right, you're the spontaneous pedo guy.
 
2014-02-18 04:31:02 PM  

James!: The Numbers: James!: The Numbers: I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.

And I'm saying that he was never charged with a crime.  All these accusations were thoroughly vetted 20 years ago and despite how skeeved you may be about how his now 16 year long marriage started that shiat has nothing to do with them.

I think you must either be confusing me with someone else, or just an idiot who assumes everyone who disagrees with you holds the same opinion. I've no opinion at all on his marriage, and have never expressed otherwise. FWIW though I have, in other threads, expressed my belief that Allen is innocent, as there is a clear lack of evidence proving guilt.

I was merely calling one of the arguments you were making stupid, which it was.

Oh right, you're the spontaneous pedo guy.


You treat your ignorance like a badge of honor, don't you?

Hell, with people like you defending him, I can see why these allegations have dragged on for so long...
 
2014-02-18 04:37:34 PM  

The Numbers: James!: The Numbers: James!: The Numbers: I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.

And I'm saying that he was never charged with a crime.  All these accusations were thoroughly vetted 20 years ago and despite how skeeved you may be about how his now 16 year long marriage started that shiat has nothing to do with them.

I think you must either be confusing me with someone else, or just an idiot who assumes everyone who disagrees with you holds the same opinion. I've no opinion at all on his marriage, and have never expressed otherwise. FWIW though I have, in other threads, expressed my belief that Allen is innocent, as there is a clear lack of evidence proving guilt.

I was merely calling one of the arguments you were making stupid, which it was.

Oh right, you're the spontaneous pedo guy.

You treat your ignorance like a badge of honor, don't you?

Hell, with people like you defending him, I can see why these allegations have dragged on for so long...


Personal attacks are almost the same as being right.

I'm sure in the history of the world some pedophiles have only molested one child, but the majority have a predilection towards children and molest multiple children (Mia's brother for example).  You'd like to completely disregard the fact that he hadn't been accused before or since.
 
2014-02-18 04:37:46 PM  
Mia Farrow touched me when I was a child.

She took me into a small room in a restaurant, pulled my pants down, and touched me. She then smeared peanut butter on her face and screamed "MOMMY I WANT TO BELIEVE IN ANGELS I DO I DO! I'M A GOOD GIRL!" and passed out. I went back to my parents' table feeling ashamed, and smelling faintly of peanut butter.

Now... Since I made the accusation with about as much evidence as Dylan & Mia have against Woody, I expect people to try and convict Mia in the court of public opinion.
 
2014-02-18 04:39:07 PM  
Follow-up: It might not have been Mia Farrow. It might have been someone who just looked like Mia Farrow, wearing an "I am Mia Farrow" t-shirt.
 
2014-02-18 04:40:43 PM  

thefatbasturd: jonnya: I am saying all three of them are not exactly credible. Two of them in particular because they are the parties who would be seen as "guilty" if it were true.

It isn't about her age. She was his girlfriends daughter. NOT APPROPRIATE!!!!! But people want to act like " Hey, it's Woody and I kinda enjoy his movies so it's okay." And sorry, it makes zero sense that with him being mommy's boyfriend and daddy to her brothers and sister that she would see him in NO way as a father figure.

Not sure how to continue this discussion if you continue to dismiss the consistent account of the three people involved and the facts that support them. Pigeon chess? And what of the third person? How does it support Mia's agenda by saying that Woody had nothing to do with Sun Yi's upbringing?


And most don't people say or think it's ok or appropriate. One way or the other. Because most people know it's not their business to judge or even care about what two of age total strangers do for love/sex. And again- appropriate, not appropriate, right, wrong- it just doesn't matter. It's apples and oranges. Convicting a person solely because you feel they have it in them or pointing to past (legal and irrelevant) behavior as evidence to their character proves nothing. The issue on hand isn't "is Woody Allen a horny bastard?", it's "did Woody Allen molest his 7 y/o daughter". At this time, as far as I can see, the true actual evidence points to his being innocent of those charges. There's nothing you've presented that has made me question that....

You say you read just fine, but you keep insisting I am saying "Woody did it" when my real statement has been "we will never know, but it is possible".

Funny how you continue to ignore the fact of Woody and Soon-Yi have a good reason to deny what would have been with pretty much any other "family" some sort of father/daughter relationship. And people want to portray Mia as a crazy liar, but them when she says something that bolsters their be ...


Well of course it's possible. Everyone knows that. So what? That's not really saying much of anything at all. What I'm  saying is that the matter was aired, investigated, and then re-aired 20 years later. No convictions. no evidence, no pattern, no other victims. Leave the guy alone.

 And you didn't just say "we'll never know' in a neutral fashion at all.  You keep implying that his behavior with Sun YI opens up and points to his guilt with Dylan. And then you say that I'm ignoring your theory that  Woody/Mia/Sun-Yi all decided topublicly lie  about Woody'sinvolvement- when everyone involved who actually was there and lived through it say otherwise. And the facts support this.  So for what has to be the last time, regardless of what cross agendas you've assigned to them, facts are facts. He's not Sun Yi's her father, he didn't raise her, he didn't live in the same home as her, he had very little contact with her as a child. You painted him as her father figure, Not true.

Also they've been happily married for 20 years. Seems like there was/is substance to Woody's and Sun's connection. Leave them be.
 
2014-02-18 05:04:28 PM  

jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: I am saying all three of them are not exactly credible. Two of them in particular because they are the parties who would be seen as "guilty" if it were true.

It isn't about her age. She was his girlfriends daughter. NOT APPROPRIATE!!!!! But people want to act like " Hey, it's Woody and I kinda enjoy his movies so it's okay." And sorry, it makes zero sense that with him being mommy's boyfriend and daddy to her brothers and sister that she would see him in NO way as a father figure.

Not sure how to continue this discussion if you continue to dismiss the consistent account of the three people involved and the facts that support them. Pigeon chess? And what of the third person? How does it support Mia's agenda by saying that Woody had nothing to do with Sun Yi's upbringing?


And most don't people say or think it's ok or appropriate. One way or the other. Because most people know it's not their business to judge or even care about what two of age total strangers do for love/sex. And again- appropriate, not appropriate, right, wrong- it just doesn't matter. It's apples and oranges. Convicting a person solely because you feel they have it in them or pointing to past (legal and irrelevant) behavior as evidence to their character proves nothing. The issue on hand isn't "is Woody Allen a horny bastard?", it's "did Woody Allen molest his 7 y/o daughter". At this time, as far as I can see, the true actual evidence points to his being innocent of those charges. There's nothing you've presented that has made me question that....

You say you read just fine, but you keep insisting I am saying "Woody did it" when my real statement has been "we will never know, but it is possible".

Funny how you continue to ignore the fact of Woody and Soon-Yi have a good reason to deny what would have been with pretty much any other "family" some sort of father/daughter relationship. And people want to portray Mia as a crazy liar, but them when she says something that bolsters their be ...

Well of course it's possible. Everyone knows that. So what? That's not really saying much of anything at all. What I'm  saying is that the matter was aired, investigated, and then re-aired 20 years later. No convictions. no evidence, no pattern, no other victims. Leave the guy alone.

 And you didn't just say "we'll never know' in a neutral fashion at all.  You keep implying that his behavior with Sun YI opens up and points to his guilt with Dylan. And then you say that I'm ignoring your theory that  Woody/Mia/Sun-Yi all decided topublicly lie  about Woody'sinvolvement- when everyone involved who actually was there and lived through it say otherwise. And the facts support this.  So for what has to be the last time, regardless of what cross agendas you've assigned to them, facts are facts. He's not Sun Yi's her father, he didn't raise her, he didn't live in the same home as her, he had very little contact with her as a child. You painted him as her father figure, Not true.

Also they've been happily married for 20 years. Seems like there was/is substance to Woody's and Sun's connection. Leave them be.


Keep it up, White Knight. Maybe Woody will see this and give you a part in his movie. Never said he was her father. Never said he molested Dylan. Facts are facts his relationship with Soin-Yi was inappropriate and anyone with a rational mind and any kind of impulse control would have avoided it. The fact he didn't speaks to his character or lack thereof. Does NOT make him guilty. Does make people like you who dismiss it with a wave of the hand willfully ignorant.
 
2014-02-18 05:16:36 PM  

James!: I'm sure in the history of the world some pedophiles have only molested one child, but the majority have a predilection towards children and molest multiple children (Mia's brother for example). You'd like to completely disregard the fact that he hadn't been accused before or since.


So listen up pedos, you get a free pass on one, as long as you don't do it again. Let the molesting begin.
 
2014-02-18 05:19:38 PM  

thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure

 

thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.



Yup. Pigeon chess.
 
2014-02-18 05:33:44 PM  

jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.


In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".
 
2014-02-18 05:56:49 PM  

thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.

In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".


Soo-Yi Previn lived with her father, Andre Previn.
 
2014-02-18 05:56:52 PM  
Heh. "Woody worship".
 
2014-02-18 05:58:23 PM  

thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.

In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".


Nah, you've got it all wrong, and the moron bit speaks ill of you. You're just making the same irrelevant point over and over again. We all know it's unconventional to end up married to your ex's adopted daughter. We knew that 20 years ago. You don't really need to dwell on that for eternity. This just in- Not everybody is conventional.

The only thing I'm white knighting here rational thought. I'm not a Woody Allen fan at all. It seems blindly judgmental to suggest somebody is guilty of action A because you question their judgement regarding action B, even though action B is legal, none of your business/concern, irrelevant to the accusation, and has played out to be a success story. On top of that, the allegations in action A were already investigated and dismissed.

My rationale here roots from the old "innocent until proven guilty" concept. It's an oldie, but a goodie. I guess I'm just an optimist. I don't want tobelieve that someone is a child molester when all the evidence, investigations, and most people's testimonies say otherwise. Why is that such a problem for you?
 
2014-02-18 06:07:48 PM  
Beware of Young Girls - Dory Previn's song about Mia and Andre.

With My Daddy In The Attic - From the same 1970 album.

With no
Window spying neighbours
And no
Husbands in the future
To intrude
Upon our attic
Past the stair
Where we'll live on
Peanut butter
Spread across assorted crackers
And he'll play
His clarinet

When I despair

Good songs that have held up really well.
 
2014-02-18 06:09:48 PM  

jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.

In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".

Nah, you've got it all wrong, and the moron bit speaks ill of you. You're just making the same irrelevant point over and over again. We all know it's unconventional to end up married to your ex's adopted daughter. We knew that 20 years ago. You don't really need to dwell on that for eternity. This just in- Not everybody is conventional.

The only thing I'm white knighting here rational thought. I'm not a Woody Allen fan at all. It seems blindly judgmental to suggest somebody is guilty of action A because you question their judgement regarding action B, even though action B is legal, none of your business/concern, irrelevant to the accusation, and has played out to be a success story. On top of that, the allegations in action A were already investigated and dismissed.

My rationale here roots from the old "innocent until proven guilty" concept. It's an oldie, but a goodie. I guess I'm just an optimist. I don't want tobelieve that someone is a child molester when all the evidence, investigations, and most people's testimonies say otherwise. Why is that such a problem for you?


And again evading what was actually said. Not Woody + Soon-Yi = GUILTY, but Woody + Soon-Yi = "evidence he lacks judgement and/or impulse control" which speaks to his character or lack thereof, nothing more.
 
2014-02-18 06:20:16 PM  

jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.

In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".

Nah, you've got it all wrong, and the moron bit speaks ill of you. You're just making the same irrelevant point over and over again. We all know it's unconventional to end up married to your ex's adopted daughter. We knew that 20 years ago. You don't really need to dwell on that for eternity. This just in- Not everybody is conventional.

The only thing I'm white knighting here rational thought. I'm not a Woody Allen fan at all. It seems blindly judgmental to suggest somebody is guilty of action A because you question their judgement regarding action B, even though action B is legal, none of your business/concern, irrelevant to the accusation, and has played out to be a success story. On top of that, the allegations in action A were already investigated and dismissed.

My rationale here roots from the old "innocent until proven guilty" concept. It's an oldie, but a goodie. I guess I'm just an optimist. I don't want tobelieve that someone is a child molester when all the evidence, investigations, and most people's testimonies say otherwise. Why is that such a problem for you?


This is where I'm standing on the issue. Woody may have in fact done exactly what Dylan alleges. But the folks on the side of convicting him are using every dishonest tactic, especially emotional appeals of "would you want him around your kids" and leveraging his relationship with Soon-yi in crooked ways to make it a slam dunk. Especially repellent was showing his adopted grandchild in his lap and pretending it was Soon-yi, even after it was pointed out that wwasn't correct.
 
2014-02-18 06:21:12 PM  

thefatbasturd: Woody + Soon-Yi


Woody + Soon-Yi is actually the opposite of evidence of molesting a 7-year-old.
 
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