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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Wallace Shawn says that the Woody Allen sex abuse allegations are INCONCEIVABLE   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 138
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2014-02-18 08:53:12 AM
False memories, Elizabeth Loftus, The Lost in the Mall Technique.

Relevant.


Study it out, Mia Farrow.
 
2014-02-18 09:59:29 AM
Well that settles it, then.
 
2014-02-18 10:00:06 AM
Did he just call Franklin Roosevelt a child molester. Inconceivable.
 
2014-02-18 10:07:03 AM
You can tell a story is really heating up when Wallace Motherf*cking Shawn gets involved.
 
2014-02-18 10:08:37 AM

James!: You can tell a story is really heating up when Wallace Motherf*cking Shawn gets involved.


Especially since there's no profit in it.
 
2014-02-18 10:14:36 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.


Indeed. I bet Woody's really pleased to see how his being accused has helped other people get some airtime for themselves,keeping the story going as they weigh in with their empty opinions.
 
2014-02-18 10:15:14 AM
i thought he was as dead as Abe Vigoda.  Didn't someone from the Princess Bride die recently?
 
2014-02-18 10:19:10 AM

somemoron: Didn't someone from the Princess Bride die recently?


Mel Smith, Guy who played the albino.
 
2014-02-18 10:27:24 AM

James!: You can tell a story is really heating up when Wallace Motherf*cking Shawn gets involved.


Well, so long as the story isn't a land war in Asia or a Sicilian with death on the line, it's alright to get involved.
 
2014-02-18 10:27:50 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.


Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!
 
2014-02-18 10:30:02 AM

steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!


Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.
 
2014-02-18 10:32:25 AM
as you wish
 
2014-02-18 10:33:12 AM
my name is mia farrow, you raped my daughter, prepare to lie
 
2014-02-18 10:34:24 AM

Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.


People lie all the time, this is no different.
 
2014-02-18 10:40:00 AM

Infernalist: Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.

People lie all the time, this is no different.


Without having been there you can't definitively say Woody is lying. All you can do is form your own opinion.
 
2014-02-18 10:48:35 AM

Cletus C.: Infernalist: Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.

People lie all the time, this is no different.

Without having been there you can't definitively say Woody is lying. All you can do is form your own opinion.


And you can't say that he's not telling the truth.  Opinions are great that way.

That said, publicly accusing someone of something without evidence is an actual crime, you know, so not all opinions are equal.
 
2014-02-18 10:59:43 AM
"In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.
 
2014-02-18 10:59:44 AM

Infernalist: Cletus C.: Infernalist: Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.

People lie all the time, this is no different.

Without having been there you can't definitively say Woody is lying. All you can do is form your own opinion.

And you can't say that he's not telling the truth.  Opinions are great that way.

That said, publicly accusing someone of something without evidence is an actual crime, you know, so not all opinions are equal.


Are you saying her accusation has more credibility than his denial because she could be charged with an "actual crime" if it isn't true?
 
2014-02-18 11:06:51 AM
You know what else cannot conceive?

A seven-year-old girl.
 
2014-02-18 11:07:22 AM

thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.


Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.
 
2014-02-18 11:14:08 AM

James!: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.


And Michael Jackson was acquitted. Doesn't mean I'd want my kids around him while he was still alive.
 
2014-02-18 11:19:17 AM

thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.


thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.


Well that's good- because Roman Polanski definitely didn't molest Dylan Farrow. Which is what we're talking about....
 
2014-02-18 11:21:18 AM

thetrenchcoat: James!: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.

And Michael Jackson was acquitted. Doesn't mean I'd want my kids around him while he was still alive.


What does Michael Jackson have to do with Woody Allen?

I doubt either of them would watch your kids if you asked.
 
2014-02-18 11:23:29 AM

Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.


When every bit of evidence taken at the time says it didn't happen then yes she should be ignored, its quite obvious that Mia has a vendetta against Woody that is backed up by her other kids and its known she's nutty as a fruitcake.
 
2014-02-18 11:26:34 AM

jonnya: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Well that's good- because Roman Polanski definitely didn't molest Dylan Farrow. Which is what we're talking about....


Yet another reason why its pretty clear this never happened, Mia openly campaigned for Roman's innocence and wanted to work with him after these supposed events. Any parent who had a child molested would abhor any person who molested any child let alone drugged and anally raped one.
 
2014-02-18 11:30:37 AM

thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.


Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.
 
2014-02-18 11:35:26 AM
I can NOT believe he would render such scurrilous accusations against Bishop Tutu.  UN-BOH-LEEV-UH-BOLL
 
2014-02-18 11:38:30 AM

thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.


Sure, when other victims comes forward, that can absolutely be game changer. In this case, that hasn't happened. Which in itself, statistically speaking, points to Allen's innocence.
 
2014-02-18 11:39:02 AM

thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.


The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.
 
2014-02-18 11:44:21 AM

steamingpile: Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.

When every bit of evidence taken at the time says it didn't happen then yes she should be ignored, its quite obvious that Mia has a vendetta against Woody that is backed up by her other kids and its known she's nutty as a fruitcake.


Mia is not claiming she was abused by Woody. Dylan is. She says he molested her.
 
2014-02-18 11:45:51 AM

James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.


Really? Because the whole Soon-Yi thing kind of hurts the credibility of that argument. I don't say it means he did it, but it does speak to a lack of judgment on what is appropriate.
 
2014-02-18 11:52:07 AM
I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.
 
2014-02-18 11:52:22 AM

thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

Really? Because the whole Soon-Yi thing kind of hurts the credibility of that argument. I don't say it means he did it, but it does speak to a lack of judgment on what is appropriate.


Oh goody, please tell us what you think the facts are with him and Soon-Yi.  This is my favorite.
 
2014-02-18 11:55:18 AM

Anonymous Bosch: I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.


So the fact that people are defending him is proof of guilt to you?
 
2014-02-18 11:58:26 AM
This defense seems a little less PR than "It's a family situation and I hope they figure it out."

Cate Blanchett is being classy because she's a classy person, but I suspect she wouldn't work with Allen if she had reservations.

I wish I could use the same adjective about Mia Farrow.  I don't know about anyone else, but if I had an episode of sexual abuse in my past, I'd want to have some kind of control over how and when it was discussed.  I wouldn't want someone, no matter how well intentioned, bringing it up in public without my agency.  Farrow just seems to poke the hornet's nest every few years.  I'm not sure that's helping her daughter.
 
2014-02-18 11:58:34 AM

James!: Anonymous Bosch: I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.

So the fact that people are defending him is proof of guilt to you?


That fact that people feel a burning need to defend him publicly, constantly, as loudly as possible, nonstop since an accusation was made on Twitter a month ago? Yes, pretty much. But you'll be happy to know I have never served on a jury.
 
2014-02-18 12:03:46 PM

Anonymous Bosch: James!: Anonymous Bosch: I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.

So the fact that people are defending him is proof of guilt to you?

That fact that people feel a burning need to defend him publicly, constantly, as loudly as possible, nonstop since an accusation was made on Twitter a month ago? Yes, pretty much. But you'll be happy to know I have never served on a jury.


Wallace Shawn writing an op-ed is constant and loud?  I suppose all the articles accusing him of wrongdoing must then prove his innocence for you.
 
2014-02-18 12:06:24 PM

Anonymous Bosch: James!: Anonymous Bosch: I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.

So the fact that people are defending him is proof of guilt to you?

That fact that people feel a burning need to defend him publicly, constantly, as loudly as possible, nonstop since an accusation was made on Twitter a month ago? Yes, pretty much. But you'll be happy to know I have never served on a jury.



This train of thought hurts my head.

So then by your logic, can we not say the same thing about those who publicly support/defend Mia? Furthermore Allen's defenders were only reacting to the bomb that Mia/Dylan initially planted in the Times piece. It's not random....
 
2014-02-18 12:17:09 PM

jonnya: Anonymous Bosch: James!: Anonymous Bosch: I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.

So the fact that people are defending him is proof of guilt to you?

That fact that people feel a burning need to defend him publicly, constantly, as loudly as possible, nonstop since an accusation was made on Twitter a month ago? Yes, pretty much. But you'll be happy to know I have never served on a jury.


This train of thought hurts my head.

So then by your logic, can we not say the same thing about those who publicly support/defend Mia? Furthermore Allen's defenders were only reacting to the bomb that Mia/Dylan initially planted in the Times piece. It's not random....


Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?
 
2014-02-18 12:23:17 PM

Cletus C.: Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?


Because Mia Farrow emotionally abused her child into believing she was molested.  You may not agree, but that would just be your opinion.
 
2014-02-18 12:25:54 PM

James!: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

Really? Because the whole Soon-Yi thing kind of hurts the credibility of that argument. I don't say it means he did it, but it does speak to a lack of judgment on what is appropriate.

Oh goody, please tell us what you think the facts are with him and Soon-Yi.  This is my favorite.


She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can try and spin it all you want, it was grossly inappropriate to start a sexual relationship with her, but not illegal. THOSE are the facts.
 
2014-02-18 12:30:12 PM

James!: Cletus C.: Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?

Because Mia Farrow emotionally abused her child into believing she was molested.  You may not agree, but that would just be your opinion.


Oh, her child. Not the adult making the accusations now. I do not know for sure if Woody did what she says he did, but I don't immediately dismiss a woman's claim of rape or abuse.
 
2014-02-18 12:33:26 PM

thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

Really? Because the whole Soon-Yi thing kind of hurts the credibility of that argument. I don't say it means he did it, but it does speak to a lack of judgment on what is appropriate.

Oh goody, please tell us what you think the facts are with him and Soon-Yi.  This is my favorite.

She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...


Mia claimed that he wasn't a father figure to Soon-Yi.  Are you calling Mia Farrow a liar?
 
2014-02-18 12:34:18 PM

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?

Because Mia Farrow emotionally abused her child into believing she was molested.  You may not agree, but that would just be your opinion.

Oh, her child. Not the adult making the accusations now. I do not know for sure if Woody did what she says he did, but I don't immediately dismiss a woman's claim of rape or abuse.


I don't think anyone dismissed her claims. In fact they were thoroughly investigated 20 years ago.
 
2014-02-18 12:36:55 PM

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?

Because Mia Farrow emotionally abused her child into believing she was molested.  You may not agree, but that would just be your opinion.

Oh, her child. Not the adult making the accusations now. I do not know for sure if Woody did what she says he did, but I don't immediately dismiss a woman's claim of rape or abuse.

I don't think anyone dismissed her claims. In fact they were thoroughly investigated 20 years ago.


Then, as now, it came down to her word vs. his. He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

It's trickier now, with the all-growed-up Dylan speaking out.
 
2014-02-18 12:41:43 PM

Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.


Evidence?
 
2014-02-18 12:43:53 PM

thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.


[snip]

She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...

Actually, his "biological" child wasn't his--- It was Frank Sinatra's. Mia just lied and told Woody it was his, and then got all the child support money out of him for a kid she knew wasn't his.
 
2014-02-18 12:51:06 PM
Oh, hey.  It's you two again.  Oh, well.
 
2014-02-18 12:52:31 PM
No Zimmerman headline today?
 
2014-02-18 01:12:35 PM

Nix Nightbird: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

[snip]

She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...

Actually, his "biological" child wasn't his--- It was Frank Sinatra's. Mia just lied and told Woody it was his, and then got all the child support money out of him for a kid she knew wasn't his.


Unless something has changed recently that is still speculation.

Don't get me wrong. Mia is a psycho biatch who I think would be very likely to encourage her daughter to believe she was abused even though she wasn't for vindictive reasons. I also believe Woidy is an egimaniac who has proven at the very least he has no idea or doesn't care about what is and is not appropriate behavior sometimes. My original point I still stand by is we will NEVER know what really happened. And anyone who THINKS they do because they read all the "facts" in the newspapers/online, or because Woody/Mia just wouldn't do that "because movies" is an idiot
 
2014-02-18 01:15:42 PM
She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...

"To think that Woody was in any way a father or stepfather to me is laughable. My parents are Andre Previn and Mia, but obviously they're not even my real parents," - Sun Yi Previn

If you're going to take Dylan's words at face value, why not do the same for Sun Yi?

There is another quote out there where Mia Farrow affirms the same thing. Furthermore this is about allegations of him molesting Dylan, not Sun-Yi. Playing the Sun YI card constantly speaks to not one iota of what did or didn't happen in the attic that day...
 
2014-02-18 01:26:33 PM
I am not taking anyone's words at face value. Not much of a reader are you? Dylan may have been manipulated. We don't know. Soon-Yi DEFINITELY has a vested intrest in distancing herself from any father-daughter relationship they may have had. Everyone has an agenda in this and to dismiss either side out of hand becauae you like the other side less or to champion one side because you idolize them more, which is what the majority of people are doing, is stupid.
 
2014-02-18 01:31:06 PM

jonnya: She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...

"To think that Woody was in any way a father or stepfather to me is laughable. My parents are Andre Previn and Mia, but obviously they're not even my real parents," - Sun Yi Previn

If you're going to take Dylan's words at face value, why not do the same for Sun Yi?

There is another quote out there where Mia Farrow affirms the same thing. Furthermore this is about allegations of him molesting Dylan, not Sun-Yi. Playing the Sun YI card constantly speaks to not one iota of what did or didn't happen in the attic that day...


And yes. The "Soon-Yi card" DOES speak to his character andbthe fact he either doesn't know or doesn't care what is inappropriate. Had he never MET her before they started their relationship, the fact he would cheat on his girlfriend with her daughter makes his character pretty sketchy at best.
 
2014-02-18 01:32:41 PM

James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?


Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.
 
2014-02-18 01:36:21 PM

thefatbasturd: I am not taking anyone's words at face value. Not much of a reader are you? Dylan may have been manipulated. We don't know. Soon-Yi DEFINITELY has a vested intrest in distancing herself from any father-daughter relationship they may have had. Everyone has an agenda in this and to dismiss either side out of hand becauae you like the other side less or to champion one side because you idolize them more, which is what the majority of people are doing, is stupid.


I've dismissed nothing and Champion no one. I'm not even a huge Allen fan. And I read fine. And when I read, I often maintain facts. The facts here point to Woody's innocence. I'd think the same way if he was a non-celeb.

You got quite a few of the facts wrong when you assessed the nature of Woody and Sun-Yi's Relationship. And you didn't even account for Mia also agreeing he wasn't a parental figure to her. Regardless of agenda.

And of course the biggest annoyance in conversations like this one is what I mentioned earlier- It's not about Woody/Sun YI. It's about Woody/Dylan. All of the Allen/Yi farking in the world has no bearing on this case and would be laughably inadmissable if it were to go to trial..... but it didn't go to trial. Because of facts....
 
2014-02-18 01:36:54 PM
pffft! like wallace shawn has never farked kids.
 
2014-02-18 01:38:54 PM

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?

Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.


So you have some evidence that he hired experts?

Also, once a child believes something to be true they tend to keep believing it to be true.  Especially if it is constantly reinforced by their family.
 
2014-02-18 01:49:58 PM

jonnya: thefatbasturd: I am not taking anyone's words at face value. Not much of a reader are you? Dylan may have been manipulated. We don't know. Soon-Yi DEFINITELY has a vested intrest in distancing herself from any father-daughter relationship they may have had. Everyone has an agenda in this and to dismiss either side out of hand becauae you like the other side less or to champion one side because you idolize them more, which is what the majority of people are doing, is stupid.

I've dismissed nothing and Champion no one. I'm not even a huge Allen fan. And I read fine. And when I read, I often maintain facts. The facts here point to Woody's innocence. I'd think the same way if he was a non-celeb.

You got quite a few of the facts wrong when you assessed the nature of Woody and Sun-Yi's Relationship. And you didn't even account for Mia also agreeing he wasn't a parental figure to her. Regardless of agenda.

And of course the biggest annoyance in conversations like this one is what I mentioned earlier- It's not about Woody/Sun YI. It's about Woody/Dylan. All of the Allen/Yi farking in the world has no bearing on this case and would be laughably inadmissable if it were to go to trial..... but it didn't go to trial. Because of facts....


Evidence of all the facts I got wrong? Other than two quotes about the father-daughter relationship from one person who is seen as a liar anyway and Soon-Yi herself who had a bit of a conflict of intrest?

Yeah it is about Woody/Dylan. But you can't dismiss past behavior as evidence to his character. The ONE thing it is safe to say is whatever happened Dylan was a victim. And it's a pretty safe bet BOTH her parents are pretty horrible.
 
2014-02-18 01:52:13 PM
Was he there when the alleged incidents took place?

No?

Well, then maybe he's just another in a list of celebrity suck-ups who need to STFU and enjoy his obscurity.
 
2014-02-18 02:07:11 PM

James!: thetrenchcoat: James!: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.

And Michael Jackson was acquitted. Doesn't mean I'd want my kids around him while he was still alive.

What does Michael Jackson have to do with Woody Allen?

I doubt either of them would watch your kids if you asked.


It's good to know the standard of proof for convicting someone of child rape is how comfortable some random person is with them around their kids.
 
2014-02-18 02:10:53 PM

thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: I am not taking anyone's words at face value. Not much of a reader are you? Dylan may have been manipulated. We don't know. Soon-Yi DEFINITELY has a vested intrest in distancing herself from any father-daughter relationship they may have had. Everyone has an agenda in this and to dismiss either side out of hand becauae you like the other side less or to champion one side because you idolize them more, which is what the majority of people are doing, is stupid.

I've dismissed nothing and Champion no one. I'm not even a huge Allen fan. And I read fine. And when I read, I often maintain facts. The facts here point to Woody's innocence. I'd think the same way if he was a non-celeb.

You got quite a few of the facts wrong when you assessed the nature of Woody and Sun-Yi's Relationship. And you didn't even account for Mia also agreeing he wasn't a parental figure to her. Regardless of agenda.

And of course the biggest annoyance in conversations like this one is what I mentioned earlier- It's not about Woody/Sun YI. It's about Woody/Dylan. All of the Allen/Yi farking in the world has no bearing on this case and would be laughably inadmissable if it were to go to trial..... but it didn't go to trial. Because of facts....

Evidence of all the facts I got wrong? Other than two quotes about the father-daughter relationship from one person who is seen as a liar anyway and Soon-Yi herself who had a bit of a conflict of intrest?

Yeah it is about Woody/Dylan. But you can't dismiss past behavior as evidence to his character. The ONE thing it is safe to say is whatever happened Dylan was a victim. And it's a pretty safe bet BOTH her parents are pretty horrible.


Now I'm just confused. So three of the three primary people involved with the Woody/Mia/Sun Yi connection say he was in no way a parental figure to Sun yi, but you're saying that they have no credibility on the topic, but you do, because you have more insight into their agendas than the rest of us? Ok.

And I'm not saying that Allen courting a 19 y/o back then impresses me, but It is and was perfectly legal and precedented- within that family. Add the fact that they've been happily married for 20 years, I'm not too butthurt about Woody and Sun-yi. Even if I was-  Farking a sexually mature19/20 year old is a lot different than molesting a seven year old. It's weird that people need to have this explained to them. Have you ever picked up a playboy or watch a porno? 20 year olds abound. I'd be an ass to assume that you want to molest a 7 y/o because of that.

I do agree with you about Dylan though. Either way- she was/is an innocent victim in this. I wonder if she regrets writing the Times piece?
 
2014-02-18 02:12:08 PM

Fano: James!: thetrenchcoat: James!: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.

And Michael Jackson was acquitted. Doesn't mean I'd want my kids around him while he was still alive.

What does Michael Jackson have to do with Woody Allen?

I doubt either of them would watch your kids if you asked.

It's good to know the standard of proof for convicting someone of child rape is how comfortable some random person is with them around their kids.


I wouldn't let Woody Allen babysit my kids!

He asks for full refrigerator privileges and unlimited phone time.
 
2014-02-18 02:12:39 PM

Fano: James!: thetrenchcoat: James!: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.

And Michael Jackson was acquitted. Doesn't mean I'd want my kids around him while he was still alive.

What does Michael Jackson have to do with Woody Allen?

I doubt either of them would watch your kids if you asked.

It's good to know the standard of proof for convicting someone of child rape is how comfortable some random person is with them around their kids.


I wouldn't let 90% of my friends watch my kids (I don't have kids) it doesn't mean they're child molesters.  They're just drunks.
 
2014-02-18 02:16:52 PM
weknowmemes.com
 
2014-02-18 02:26:15 PM

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?

Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.

So you have some evidence that he hired experts?

Also, once a child believes something to be true they tend to keep believing it to be true.  Especially if it is constantly reinforced by their family.



Dylan said in her piece "There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child,"

You seem to want to believe the whole brainwashing thing. Vanity Fair has been very comprehensive in its coverage of Woody Allen's alleged abuse of that child. You should read their 10 undeniable facts about the case and take a look at the pdf at the bottom of the article, which is the presiding judge's ruling in Allen's custody dispute against Farrow.

Also, you could read the original 1992 Vanity Fair article. Interesting stuff.
 
2014-02-18 02:36:49 PM

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?

Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.

So you have some evidence that he hired experts?

Also, once a child believes something to be true they tend to keep believing it to be true.  Especially if it is constantly reinforced by their family.


Dylan said in her piece "There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child,"

You seem to want to believe the whole brainwashing thing. Vanity Fair has been very comprehensive in its coverage of Woody Allen's alleged abuse of that child. You should read their 10 undeniable facts about the case and take a look at the pdf at the bottom of the article, which is the presiding judge's ruling in Allen's custody dispute against Farrow.

Also, you could read the original 1992 Vanity Fair article. Interesting stuff.


Those Vanity Fair interviews with Mia are the bible for her side of the story.  She also accused Soon-Yi of being mentally handicapped in those articles (Soon-Yi was never mentally handicapped).

The original medical and psychological examinations of Dylan showed that she hadn't been abused and that her story changed from interview to interview.  Over time her story came together and she's still telling it to this day.  If something actually happened to her you'd think she'd at least be able to consistently describe it from the start.

Unless you're implying that Woody got to the examiners before he knew of the accusations.
 
2014-02-18 02:57:14 PM

jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: I am not taking anyone's words at face value. Not much of a reader are you? Dylan may have been manipulated. We don't know. Soon-Yi DEFINITELY has a vested intrest in distancing herself from any father-daughter relationship they may have had. Everyone has an agenda in this and to dismiss either side out of hand becauae you like the other side less or to champion one side because you idolize them more, which is what the majority of people are doing, is stupid.

I've dismissed nothing and Champion no one. I'm not even a huge Allen fan. And I read fine. And when I read, I often maintain facts. The facts here point to Woody's innocence. I'd think the same way if he was a non-celeb.

You got quite a few of the facts wrong when you assessed the nature of Woody and Sun-Yi's Relationship. And you didn't even account for Mia also agreeing he wasn't a parental figure to her. Regardless of agenda.

And of course the biggest annoyance in conversations like this one is what I mentioned earlier- It's not about Woody/Sun YI. It's about Woody/Dylan. All of the Allen/Yi farking in the world has no bearing on this case and would be laughably inadmissable if it were to go to trial..... but it didn't go to trial. Because of facts....

Evidence of all the facts I got wrong? Other than two quotes about the father-daughter relationship from one person who is seen as a liar anyway and Soon-Yi herself who had a bit of a conflict of intrest?

Yeah it is about Woody/Dylan. But you can't dismiss past behavior as evidence to his character. The ONE thing it is safe to say is whatever happened Dylan was a victim. And it's a pretty safe bet BOTH her parents are pretty horrible.

Now I'm just confused. So three of the three primary people involved with the Woody/Mia/Sun Yi connection say he was in no way a parental figure to Sun yi, but you're saying that they have no credibility on the topic, but you do, because you have more insight into their agendas than the rest of us? Ok.

And I'm not saying that Allen courting a 19 y/o back then impresses me, but It is and was perfectly legal and precedented- within that family. Add the fact that they've been happily married for 20 years, I'm not too butthurt about Woody and Sun-yi. Even if I was-  Farking a sexually mature19/20 year old is a lot different than molesting a seven year old. It's weird that people need to have this explained to them. Have you ever picked up a playboy or watch a porno? 20 year olds abound. I'd be an ass to assume that you want to molest a 7 y/o because of that.

I do agree with you about Dylan though. Either way- she was/is an innocent victim in this. I wonder if she regrets writing the Times piece?


I am saying all three of them are not exactly credible. Two of them in particular because they are the parties who would be seen as "guilty" if it were true.

It isn't about her age. She was his girlfriends daughter. NOT APPROPRIATE!!!!! But people want to act like " Hey, it's Woody and I kinda enjoy his movies so it's okay." And sorry, it makes zero sense that with him being mommy's boyfriend and daddy to her brothers and sister that she would see him in NO way as a father figure.
 
2014-02-18 03:05:40 PM

James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.


There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.
 
2014-02-18 03:14:29 PM

The Numbers: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.


Ah, so you're saying he just out of the blue decided to molest a 7 year old despite never having been attracted to children before or since?
 
2014-02-18 03:43:30 PM

James!: The Numbers: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.

Ah, so you're saying he just out of the blue decided to molest a 7 year old despite never having been attracted to children before or since?


Uh huh. That's what he is saying. Not that a compulsion he had managed to hide until that point finally reached the point were he couldn't control it. Just like in almost any other case.

You can White Knight him all you want but it doesn't change the fact that you don't know him at all and it is POSSIBLE he is guilty. Screaming that he 100% could not have done it is as ludicrous as screaming he is 100% guilty.
 
2014-02-18 03:44:54 PM

thefatbasturd: James!: The Numbers: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.

Ah, so ...


Possibly guilty isn't guilty. In fact he's never even been charged with a crime.
 
2014-02-18 03:46:54 PM
I'll have to rent My Dinner with Andre, I haven't seen that in awhile.
 
2014-02-18 03:48:30 PM
I am saying all three of them are not exactly credible. Two of them in particular because they are the parties who would be seen as "guilty" if it were true.

It isn't about her age. She was his girlfriends daughter. NOT APPROPRIATE!!!!! But people want to act like " Hey, it's Woody and I kinda enjoy his movies so it's okay." And sorry, it makes zero sense that with him being mommy's boyfriend and daddy to her brothers and sister that she would see him in NO way as a father figure.


Not sure how to continue this discussion if you continue to dismiss the consistent account of the three people involved and the facts that support them. Pigeon chess? And what of the third person? How does it support Mia's agenda by saying that Woody had nothing to do with Sun Yi's upbringing?


And most don't people say or think it's ok or appropriate. One way or the other. Because most people know it's not their business to judge or even care about what two of age total strangers do for love/sex. And again- appropriate, not appropriate, right, wrong- it just doesn't matter. It's apples and oranges. Convicting a person solely because you feel they have it in them or pointing to past (legal and irrelevant) behavior as evidence to their character proves nothing. The issue on hand isn't "is Woody Allen a horny bastard?", it's "did Woody Allen molest his 7 y/o daughter". At this time, as far as I can see, the true actual evidence points to his being innocent of those charges. There's nothing you've presented that has made me question that....
 
2014-02-18 03:50:55 PM

thefatbasturd: James!: The Numbers: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.

Ah, so you're saying he just out of the blue decided to molest a 7 year old despite never having been attracted to children before or since?

Uh huh. That's what he is saying. Not that a compulsion he had managed to hide until that point finally reached the point were he couldn't control it. Just like in almost any other case.

You can White Knight him all you want but it doesn't change the fact that you don't know him at all and it is POSSIBLE he is guilty. Screaming that he 100% could not have done it is as ludicrous as screaming he is 100% guilty.


It IS possible that he did it. I just don't like people publicly convicting him based on the fact they think he's a creep.
 
2014-02-18 03:57:01 PM

James!: The Numbers: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

There isn't a single MO for pedophiles that can be universally applied. For some it's the act itself that drives them, for others it's the intimacy of the relationship with the victim. A big factor in what drives serial offending is how well the perpetrator can keep it hidden, and by definition every pedophile has to have a 'first time'. Concluding that the absence of other accusations has any bearing on the validity of this one claim is just plain wrong, although I can understand how it might *seem* relevant absent understanding of the subject.

Ah, so you're saying he just out of the blue decided to molest a 7 year old despite never having been attracted to children before or since?


I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.
 
2014-02-18 04:04:45 PM

jonnya: I am saying all three of them are not exactly credible. Two of them in particular because they are the parties who would be seen as "guilty" if it were true.

It isn't about her age. She was his girlfriends daughter. NOT APPROPRIATE!!!!! But people want to act like " Hey, it's Woody and I kinda enjoy his movies so it's okay." And sorry, it makes zero sense that with him being mommy's boyfriend and daddy to her brothers and sister that she would see him in NO way as a father figure.

Not sure how to continue this discussion if you continue to dismiss the consistent account of the three people involved and the facts that support them. Pigeon chess? And what of the third person? How does it support Mia's agenda by saying that Woody had nothing to do with Sun Yi's upbringing?


And most don't people say or think it's ok or appropriate. One way or the other. Because most people know it's not their business to judge or even care about what two of age total strangers do for love/sex. And again- appropriate, not appropriate, right, wrong- it just doesn't matter. It's apples and oranges. Convicting a person solely because you feel they have it in them or pointing to past (legal and irrelevant) behavior as evidence to their character proves nothing. The issue on hand isn't "is Woody Allen a horny bastard?", it's "did Woody Allen molest his 7 y/o daughter". At this time, as far as I can see, the true actual evidence points to his being innocent of those charges. There's nothing you've presented that has made me question that....


You say you read just fine, but you keep insisting I am saying "Woody did it" when my real statement has been "we will never know, but it is possible".

Funny how you continue to ignore the fact of Woody and Soon-Yi have a good reason to deny what would have been with pretty much any other "family" some sort of father/daughter relationship. And people want to portray Mia as a crazy liar, but them when she says something that bolsters their belief, suddenly she is telling the gospel truth.

For the last time: I would not put anything past either one of them. I think they are both probably very narcissistic douchebags. My argument is Wallace Shawn was not there, neither were Woody's fan club members. WE DON'T KNOW IF HE DID IT!!!!!!
 
2014-02-18 04:07:50 PM

The Numbers: I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.


And I'm saying that he was never charged with a crime.  All these accusations were thoroughly vetted 20 years ago and despite how skeeved you may be about how his now 16 year long marriage started that shiat has nothing to do with them.
 
2014-02-18 04:08:59 PM
When did Wallace Shawn become an expert on pedophilia?

(This question sorta answers itself, doesn't it?)
 
2014-02-18 04:10:33 PM
I love the "I'm not saying he did anything, but it sure looks sketchy, but I'm not saying he did anything, but I'm pretty sure he's lying, but don't imply I'm accusing him of anything" angle.
 
2014-02-18 04:14:08 PM

douchebag/hater: When did Wallace Shawn become an expert on pedophilia?

(This question sorta answers itself, doesn't it?)


Have you ever heard of Townshend, Gadd, Dodgson? MORONS.
 
2014-02-18 04:16:10 PM

James!: The Numbers: I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.

And I'm saying that he was never charged with a crime.  All these accusations were thoroughly vetted 20 years ago and despite how skeeved you may be about how his now 16 year long marriage started that shiat has nothing to do with them.


I think you must either be confusing me with someone else, or just an idiot who assumes everyone who disagrees with you holds the same opinion. I've no opinion at all on his marriage, and have never expressed otherwise. FWIW though I have, in other threads, expressed my belief that Allen is innocent, as there is a clear lack of evidence proving guilt.

I was merely calling one of the arguments you were making stupid, which it was.
 
2014-02-18 04:17:45 PM

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?

Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.

So you have some evidence that he hired experts?

Also, once a child believes something to be true they tend to keep believing it to be true.  Especially if it is constantly reinforced by their family.


Dylan said in her piece "There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child,"

You seem to want to believe the whole brainwashing thing. Vanity Fair has been very comprehensive in its coverage of Woody Allen's alleged abuse of that child. You should read their 10 undeniable facts about the case and take a look at the pdf at the bottom of the article, which is the presiding judge's ruling in Allen's custody dispute against Farrow.

Also, you could read the original 1992 Vanity Fair article. Interesting stuff.

Those Vanity Fair interviews with Mia are the bible for her side of the story.  She also accused Soon-Yi of being mentally handicapped in those articles (Soon-Yi was never mentally handicapped).

The original medical and psychological examinations of Dylan showed that she hadn't been abused and that her story changed from interview to interview.  Over time her story came together and she's still telling it to this day.  If something actually happened to her you'd think she'd at least be able to consistently describe it from the start.

Unless you're implying that Woody got to the examiners before ...


You didn't read the 10 undeniable facts, did you? They pretty much refute all you have to say about this.
 
2014-02-18 04:20:03 PM

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

Evidence?

Right. In these cases it's often a child saying he or she was abused. If you have the resources, the accused can often hire experts to rattle the child so the story has inconsistencies  and it looks like it's fabricated. That evidence can get real shaky under a skilled hand. But when the child grows up and speaks clearly about what happened it gets very uncomfortable for the accused, as in this case.

So you have some evidence that he hired experts?

Also, once a child believes something to be true they tend to keep believing it to be true.  Especially if it is constantly reinforced by their family.


Dylan said in her piece "There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child,"

You seem to want to believe the whole brainwashing thing. Vanity Fair has been very comprehensive in its coverage of Woody Allen's alleged abuse of that child. You should read their 10 undeniable facts about the case and take a look at the pdf at the bottom of the article, which is the presiding judge's ruling in Allen's custody dispute against Farrow.

Also, you could read the original 1992 Vanity Fair article. Interesting stuff.

Those Vanity Fair interviews with Mia are the bible for her side of the story.  She also accused Soon-Yi of being mentally handicapped in those articles (Soon-Yi was never mentally handicapped).

The original medical and psychological examinations of Dylan showed that she hadn't been abused and that her story changed from interview to interview.  Over time her story came together and she's still telling it to this day.  If something actually happened to her you'd think she'd at least be able to consistently describe it from the start.

Unless you're implying that Woody got to the examiners ...


I read it.  It's all based on the same interviews with Mia Farrow.
 
2014-02-18 04:20:35 PM

The Numbers: James!: The Numbers: I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.

And I'm saying that he was never charged with a crime.  All these accusations were thoroughly vetted 20 years ago and despite how skeeved you may be about how his now 16 year long marriage started that shiat has nothing to do with them.

I think you must either be confusing me with someone else, or just an idiot who assumes everyone who disagrees with you holds the same opinion. I've no opinion at all on his marriage, and have never expressed otherwise. FWIW though I have, in other threads, expressed my belief that Allen is innocent, as there is a clear lack of evidence proving guilt.

I was merely calling one of the arguments you were making stupid, which it was.


Oh right, you're the spontaneous pedo guy.
 
2014-02-18 04:31:02 PM

James!: The Numbers: James!: The Numbers: I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.

And I'm saying that he was never charged with a crime.  All these accusations were thoroughly vetted 20 years ago and despite how skeeved you may be about how his now 16 year long marriage started that shiat has nothing to do with them.

I think you must either be confusing me with someone else, or just an idiot who assumes everyone who disagrees with you holds the same opinion. I've no opinion at all on his marriage, and have never expressed otherwise. FWIW though I have, in other threads, expressed my belief that Allen is innocent, as there is a clear lack of evidence proving guilt.

I was merely calling one of the arguments you were making stupid, which it was.

Oh right, you're the spontaneous pedo guy.


You treat your ignorance like a badge of honor, don't you?

Hell, with people like you defending him, I can see why these allegations have dragged on for so long...
 
2014-02-18 04:37:34 PM

The Numbers: James!: The Numbers: James!: The Numbers: I'm not saying anything about what he did or didn't do. I'm saying it's wrong to try and make an inference about innocence / guilt from the number of other accusations made.
It's a meaningless inference.

And I'm saying that he was never charged with a crime.  All these accusations were thoroughly vetted 20 years ago and despite how skeeved you may be about how his now 16 year long marriage started that shiat has nothing to do with them.

I think you must either be confusing me with someone else, or just an idiot who assumes everyone who disagrees with you holds the same opinion. I've no opinion at all on his marriage, and have never expressed otherwise. FWIW though I have, in other threads, expressed my belief that Allen is innocent, as there is a clear lack of evidence proving guilt.

I was merely calling one of the arguments you were making stupid, which it was.

Oh right, you're the spontaneous pedo guy.

You treat your ignorance like a badge of honor, don't you?

Hell, with people like you defending him, I can see why these allegations have dragged on for so long...


Personal attacks are almost the same as being right.

I'm sure in the history of the world some pedophiles have only molested one child, but the majority have a predilection towards children and molest multiple children (Mia's brother for example).  You'd like to completely disregard the fact that he hadn't been accused before or since.
 
2014-02-18 04:37:46 PM
Mia Farrow touched me when I was a child.

She took me into a small room in a restaurant, pulled my pants down, and touched me. She then smeared peanut butter on her face and screamed "MOMMY I WANT TO BELIEVE IN ANGELS I DO I DO! I'M A GOOD GIRL!" and passed out. I went back to my parents' table feeling ashamed, and smelling faintly of peanut butter.

Now... Since I made the accusation with about as much evidence as Dylan & Mia have against Woody, I expect people to try and convict Mia in the court of public opinion.
 
2014-02-18 04:39:07 PM
Follow-up: It might not have been Mia Farrow. It might have been someone who just looked like Mia Farrow, wearing an "I am Mia Farrow" t-shirt.
 
2014-02-18 04:40:43 PM

thefatbasturd: jonnya: I am saying all three of them are not exactly credible. Two of them in particular because they are the parties who would be seen as "guilty" if it were true.

It isn't about her age. She was his girlfriends daughter. NOT APPROPRIATE!!!!! But people want to act like " Hey, it's Woody and I kinda enjoy his movies so it's okay." And sorry, it makes zero sense that with him being mommy's boyfriend and daddy to her brothers and sister that she would see him in NO way as a father figure.

Not sure how to continue this discussion if you continue to dismiss the consistent account of the three people involved and the facts that support them. Pigeon chess? And what of the third person? How does it support Mia's agenda by saying that Woody had nothing to do with Sun Yi's upbringing?


And most don't people say or think it's ok or appropriate. One way or the other. Because most people know it's not their business to judge or even care about what two of age total strangers do for love/sex. And again- appropriate, not appropriate, right, wrong- it just doesn't matter. It's apples and oranges. Convicting a person solely because you feel they have it in them or pointing to past (legal and irrelevant) behavior as evidence to their character proves nothing. The issue on hand isn't "is Woody Allen a horny bastard?", it's "did Woody Allen molest his 7 y/o daughter". At this time, as far as I can see, the true actual evidence points to his being innocent of those charges. There's nothing you've presented that has made me question that....

You say you read just fine, but you keep insisting I am saying "Woody did it" when my real statement has been "we will never know, but it is possible".

Funny how you continue to ignore the fact of Woody and Soon-Yi have a good reason to deny what would have been with pretty much any other "family" some sort of father/daughter relationship. And people want to portray Mia as a crazy liar, but them when she says something that bolsters their be ...


Well of course it's possible. Everyone knows that. So what? That's not really saying much of anything at all. What I'm  saying is that the matter was aired, investigated, and then re-aired 20 years later. No convictions. no evidence, no pattern, no other victims. Leave the guy alone.

 And you didn't just say "we'll never know' in a neutral fashion at all.  You keep implying that his behavior with Sun YI opens up and points to his guilt with Dylan. And then you say that I'm ignoring your theory that  Woody/Mia/Sun-Yi all decided topublicly lie  about Woody'sinvolvement- when everyone involved who actually was there and lived through it say otherwise. And the facts support this.  So for what has to be the last time, regardless of what cross agendas you've assigned to them, facts are facts. He's not Sun Yi's her father, he didn't raise her, he didn't live in the same home as her, he had very little contact with her as a child. You painted him as her father figure, Not true.

Also they've been happily married for 20 years. Seems like there was/is substance to Woody's and Sun's connection. Leave them be.
 
2014-02-18 05:04:28 PM

jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: I am saying all three of them are not exactly credible. Two of them in particular because they are the parties who would be seen as "guilty" if it were true.

It isn't about her age. She was his girlfriends daughter. NOT APPROPRIATE!!!!! But people want to act like " Hey, it's Woody and I kinda enjoy his movies so it's okay." And sorry, it makes zero sense that with him being mommy's boyfriend and daddy to her brothers and sister that she would see him in NO way as a father figure.

Not sure how to continue this discussion if you continue to dismiss the consistent account of the three people involved and the facts that support them. Pigeon chess? And what of the third person? How does it support Mia's agenda by saying that Woody had nothing to do with Sun Yi's upbringing?


And most don't people say or think it's ok or appropriate. One way or the other. Because most people know it's not their business to judge or even care about what two of age total strangers do for love/sex. And again- appropriate, not appropriate, right, wrong- it just doesn't matter. It's apples and oranges. Convicting a person solely because you feel they have it in them or pointing to past (legal and irrelevant) behavior as evidence to their character proves nothing. The issue on hand isn't "is Woody Allen a horny bastard?", it's "did Woody Allen molest his 7 y/o daughter". At this time, as far as I can see, the true actual evidence points to his being innocent of those charges. There's nothing you've presented that has made me question that....

You say you read just fine, but you keep insisting I am saying "Woody did it" when my real statement has been "we will never know, but it is possible".

Funny how you continue to ignore the fact of Woody and Soon-Yi have a good reason to deny what would have been with pretty much any other "family" some sort of father/daughter relationship. And people want to portray Mia as a crazy liar, but them when she says something that bolsters their be ...

Well of course it's possible. Everyone knows that. So what? That's not really saying much of anything at all. What I'm  saying is that the matter was aired, investigated, and then re-aired 20 years later. No convictions. no evidence, no pattern, no other victims. Leave the guy alone.

 And you didn't just say "we'll never know' in a neutral fashion at all.  You keep implying that his behavior with Sun YI opens up and points to his guilt with Dylan. And then you say that I'm ignoring your theory that  Woody/Mia/Sun-Yi all decided topublicly lie  about Woody'sinvolvement- when everyone involved who actually was there and lived through it say otherwise. And the facts support this.  So for what has to be the last time, regardless of what cross agendas you've assigned to them, facts are facts. He's not Sun Yi's her father, he didn't raise her, he didn't live in the same home as her, he had very little contact with her as a child. You painted him as her father figure, Not true.

Also they've been happily married for 20 years. Seems like there was/is substance to Woody's and Sun's connection. Leave them be.


Keep it up, White Knight. Maybe Woody will see this and give you a part in his movie. Never said he was her father. Never said he molested Dylan. Facts are facts his relationship with Soin-Yi was inappropriate and anyone with a rational mind and any kind of impulse control would have avoided it. The fact he didn't speaks to his character or lack thereof. Does NOT make him guilty. Does make people like you who dismiss it with a wave of the hand willfully ignorant.
 
2014-02-18 05:16:36 PM

James!: I'm sure in the history of the world some pedophiles have only molested one child, but the majority have a predilection towards children and molest multiple children (Mia's brother for example). You'd like to completely disregard the fact that he hadn't been accused before or since.


So listen up pedos, you get a free pass on one, as long as you don't do it again. Let the molesting begin.
 
2014-02-18 05:19:38 PM

thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure

 

thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.



Yup. Pigeon chess.
 
2014-02-18 05:33:44 PM

jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.


In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".
 
2014-02-18 05:56:49 PM

thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.

In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".


Soo-Yi Previn lived with her father, Andre Previn.
 
2014-02-18 05:56:52 PM
Heh. "Woody worship".
 
2014-02-18 05:58:23 PM

thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.

In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".


Nah, you've got it all wrong, and the moron bit speaks ill of you. You're just making the same irrelevant point over and over again. We all know it's unconventional to end up married to your ex's adopted daughter. We knew that 20 years ago. You don't really need to dwell on that for eternity. This just in- Not everybody is conventional.

The only thing I'm white knighting here rational thought. I'm not a Woody Allen fan at all. It seems blindly judgmental to suggest somebody is guilty of action A because you question their judgement regarding action B, even though action B is legal, none of your business/concern, irrelevant to the accusation, and has played out to be a success story. On top of that, the allegations in action A were already investigated and dismissed.

My rationale here roots from the old "innocent until proven guilty" concept. It's an oldie, but a goodie. I guess I'm just an optimist. I don't want tobelieve that someone is a child molester when all the evidence, investigations, and most people's testimonies say otherwise. Why is that such a problem for you?
 
2014-02-18 06:07:48 PM
Beware of Young Girls - Dory Previn's song about Mia and Andre.

With My Daddy In The Attic - From the same 1970 album.

With no
Window spying neighbours
And no
Husbands in the future
To intrude
Upon our attic
Past the stair
Where we'll live on
Peanut butter
Spread across assorted crackers
And he'll play
His clarinet

When I despair

Good songs that have held up really well.
 
2014-02-18 06:09:48 PM

jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.

In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".

Nah, you've got it all wrong, and the moron bit speaks ill of you. You're just making the same irrelevant point over and over again. We all know it's unconventional to end up married to your ex's adopted daughter. We knew that 20 years ago. You don't really need to dwell on that for eternity. This just in- Not everybody is conventional.

The only thing I'm white knighting here rational thought. I'm not a Woody Allen fan at all. It seems blindly judgmental to suggest somebody is guilty of action A because you question their judgement regarding action B, even though action B is legal, none of your business/concern, irrelevant to the accusation, and has played out to be a success story. On top of that, the allegations in action A were already investigated and dismissed.

My rationale here roots from the old "innocent until proven guilty" concept. It's an oldie, but a goodie. I guess I'm just an optimist. I don't want tobelieve that someone is a child molester when all the evidence, investigations, and most people's testimonies say otherwise. Why is that such a problem for you?


And again evading what was actually said. Not Woody + Soon-Yi = GUILTY, but Woody + Soon-Yi = "evidence he lacks judgement and/or impulse control" which speaks to his character or lack thereof, nothing more.
 
2014-02-18 06:20:16 PM

jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.

In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".

Nah, you've got it all wrong, and the moron bit speaks ill of you. You're just making the same irrelevant point over and over again. We all know it's unconventional to end up married to your ex's adopted daughter. We knew that 20 years ago. You don't really need to dwell on that for eternity. This just in- Not everybody is conventional.

The only thing I'm white knighting here rational thought. I'm not a Woody Allen fan at all. It seems blindly judgmental to suggest somebody is guilty of action A because you question their judgement regarding action B, even though action B is legal, none of your business/concern, irrelevant to the accusation, and has played out to be a success story. On top of that, the allegations in action A were already investigated and dismissed.

My rationale here roots from the old "innocent until proven guilty" concept. It's an oldie, but a goodie. I guess I'm just an optimist. I don't want tobelieve that someone is a child molester when all the evidence, investigations, and most people's testimonies say otherwise. Why is that such a problem for you?


This is where I'm standing on the issue. Woody may have in fact done exactly what Dylan alleges. But the folks on the side of convicting him are using every dishonest tactic, especially emotional appeals of "would you want him around your kids" and leveraging his relationship with Soon-yi in crooked ways to make it a slam dunk. Especially repellent was showing his adopted grandchild in his lap and pretending it was Soon-yi, even after it was pointed out that wwasn't correct.
 
2014-02-18 06:21:12 PM

thefatbasturd: Woody + Soon-Yi


Woody + Soon-Yi is actually the opposite of evidence of molesting a 7-year-old.
 
2014-02-18 06:31:34 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: thefatbasturd: Woody + Soon-Yi

Woody + Soon-Yi is actually the opposite of evidence of molesting a 7-year-old.


Not if they did it together.
Not if Woody nailed her when she was 7.
Not if Woody + Soon-Yi produced a daughter seven years ago and he's now molesting her.

So, opposite not really.
 
2014-02-18 06:36:30 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: thefatbasturd: Woody + Soon-Yi

Woody + Soon-Yi is actually the opposite of evidence of molesting a 7-year-old.


How?
 
2014-02-18 06:38:14 PM

thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.

In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".

Nah, you've got it all wrong, and the moron bit speaks ill of you. You're just making the same irrelevant point over and over again. We all know it's unconventional to end up married to your ex's adopted daughter. We knew that 20 years ago. You don't really need to dwell on that for eternity. This just in- Not everybody is conventional.

The only thing I'm white knighting here rational thought. I'm not a Woody Allen fan at all. It seems blindly judgmental to suggest somebody is guilty of action A because you question their judgement regarding action B, even though action B is legal, none of your business/concern, irrelevant to the accusation, and has played out to be a success story. On top of that, the allegations in action A were already investigated and dismissed.

My rationale here roots from the old "innocent until proven guilty" concept. It's an oldie, but a goodie. I guess I'm just an optimist. I don't want tobelieve that someone is a child molester when all the evidence, investigations, and most people's testimonies say otherwise. Why is that such a problem for you?

And again evading what was actually said. Not Woody + Soon-Yi = GUILTY, but Woody + Soon-Yi = "evidence he lacks judgement and/or impulse control" ...


Yawn. Kind of a non-point.  And you base your  "evidence he lacks judgement and/or impulse control"  on falsities, as noted several times, most recently noted in your moron proof "Uncle Frank" parable.

And how was what you said evaded? I just addressed it for like the 20th time in my most recent post. I think you're having problems with the differences between disagreeing and evading. Hint- they are very different.

And I know this one make you pull out your hair, but why are you the standard bearer of the romantic judgements that occur between two consenting, of age, and obviously intelligent and bonded adults? At first I thought you might be a troll, but now I'm thinking that you just can't see beyond the mainstream of conventionality. We're all entitled to our opinions here, but in my mind it's irresponsible to even suggest that soley because someone defies your notion of what's acceptable, they may be a child molester.
 
2014-02-18 06:42:30 PM

Fano: jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.

In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".

Nah, you've got it all wrong, and the moron bit speaks ill of you. You're just making the same irrelevant point over and over again. We all know it's unconventional to end up married to your ex's adopted daughter. We knew that 20 years ago. You don't really need to dwell on that for eternity. This just in- Not everybody is conventional.

The only thing I'm white knighting here rational thought. I'm not a Woody Allen fan at all. It seems blindly judgmental to suggest somebody is guilty of action A because you question their judgement regarding action B, even though action B is legal, none of your business/concern, irrelevant to the accusation, and has played out to be a success story. On top of that, the allegations in action A were already investigated and dismissed.

My rationale here roots from the old "innocent until proven guilty" concept. It's an oldie, but a goodie. I guess I'm just an optimist. I don't want tobelieve that someone is a child molester when all the evidence, investigations, and most people's testimonies say otherwise. Why is that such a problem for you?

This is where I'm standing on the issue. Woody may have in fact done exactly what Dylan alleges. But the folks on the side of convicting him are us ...


Ha.I remember that photo issue. But people who clung to that being Sun Yi are to be automatically dismissed and not to be taken seriously at all in kind of thoughtful discussion here, so in a way-it made for an excellent filter in the back and forth....
 
2014-02-18 06:45:51 PM

Cletus C.: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: thefatbasturd: Woody + Soon-Yi

Woody + Soon-Yi is actually the opposite of evidence of molesting a 7-year-old.

Not if they did it together.
Not if Woody nailed her when she was 7.
Not if Woody + Soon-Yi produced a daughter seven years ago and he's now molesting her.

So, opposite not really.


Absolutely no evidence or claims of any of your ifs.

I'm starting to think you did it.
 
2014-02-18 06:46:21 PM

jonnya: We're all entitled to our opinions here, but in my mind it's irresponsible to even suggest that soley because someone defies your notion of what's acceptable, they may be a child molester.


What if a woman says he molested her when she was 7? Is it OK to then say he may be a child molester? Because him getting caught with nude shots of his girlfriend's adopted daughter, then dumping the girlfriend for her isn't the sole reason people think he may be a child molester.
 
2014-02-18 06:50:58 PM

jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: jonnya: thefatbasturd: it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure thefatbasturd: Never said he was her father.


Yup. Pigeon chess.

In what farked up world is a "father figure" equal to ACTUAL FATHER?

I was responding to someone who claimed I said he was her father.

Let's do this so simply even a moron like you gets it: Mommy and Daddy get a divorce. Mommy starts dating "Uncle Frank". They hit it off. Adopt a couple of kids. Have another. Even though Daddy is still DADDY, as a male authority figure in a continued presence in the household, Uncle Frank is also a form of father figure, plain and simple. To deny this is I say again willfull ignorance and due to "Woody worship".

Nah, you've got it all wrong, and the moron bit speaks ill of you. You're just making the same irrelevant point over and over again. We all know it's unconventional to end up married to your ex's adopted daughter. We knew that 20 years ago. You don't really need to dwell on that for eternity. This just in- Not everybody is conventional.

The only thing I'm white knighting here rational thought. I'm not a Woody Allen fan at all. It seems blindly judgmental to suggest somebody is guilty of action A because you question their judgement regarding action B, even though action B is legal, none of your business/concern, irrelevant to the accusation, and has played out to be a success story. On top of that, the allegations in action A were already investigated and dismissed.

My rationale here roots from the old "innocent until proven guilty" concept. It's an oldie, but a goodie. I guess I'm just an optimist. I don't want tobelieve that someone is a child molester when all the evidence, investigations, and most people's testimonies say otherwise. Why is that such a problem for you?

And again evading what was actually said. Not Woody + Soon-Yi = GUILTY, but Woody + Soon-Yi = "evidence he lacks judgement and/or impulse control" ...

Yawn. Kind of a non-point.  And you base your  "evidence he lacks judgement and/or impulse control"  on falsities, as noted several times, most recently noted in your moron proof "Uncle Frank" parable.

And how was what you said evaded? I just addressed it for like the 20th time in my most recent post. I think you're having problems with the differences between disagreeing and evading. Hint- they are very different.

And I know this one make you pull out your hair, but why are you the standard bearer of the romantic judgements that occur between two consenting, of age, and obviously intelligent and bonded adults? At first I thought you might be a troll, but now I'm thinking that you just can't see beyond the mainstream of conventionality. We're all entitled to our opinions here, but in my mind it's irresponsible to even suggest that soley because someone defies your notion of what's acceptable, they may be a child molester.


Because you keep insisting I say ot makes him guiltyand evading what I really said, that it is possible and his past actions point to a lack of character. And you keep falling back on a defense of butbutbut it doesn't mean conclusivelybhe IS guilty so he must therefore be innocent because they stayed together 20 years after so leave 'em alone. Again Woody Allen and Mia Farrow are both douchebags and you, me, noone will ever know what the truth is, do your white knighting of someone you have NEVER met and do not know is as stupid as condemning him out of hand.
 
2014-02-18 07:02:26 PM

Cletus C.: jonnya: We're all entitled to our opinions here, but in my mind it's irresponsible to even suggest that soley because someone defies your notion of what's acceptable, they may be a child molester.

What if a woman says he molested her when she was 7? Is it OK to then say he may be a child molester? Because him getting caught with nude shots of his girlfriend's adopted daughter, then dumping the girlfriend for her isn't the sole reason people think he may be a child molester.


Well sure-

if the allegations were found to be true by the authorities who investigated them (they weren't)
if more victims came forward and a pattern was established (didn't happen)
If the 7 y/o's Mother wasn't thought to have coached her by the authorities (they did)
If there wasn't plenty of precedent of children who were around Dylan's age also believing they remember things that didn't happen because of parental influence (there is)
If the only sibling in the house at the time who wasn't of a single digit in age didn't say that the mother
was manipulative, vindictive, and fed lies to all the kids (he did- Moses Farrow was 14 at the time, now a family therapist and sides with Woody)
If the Mother wasn't known to be vindictive and emotionally fragile ( she is/was)
And ......wait for it.... if the Mother's brother wasn't a convicted chile molester. (he is)

Kind of makes me think that Mia had molestation on the mind.
 
2014-02-18 07:12:14 PM

jonnya: Cletus C.: jonnya: We're all entitled to our opinions here, but in my mind it's irresponsible to even suggest that soley because someone defies your notion of what's acceptable, they may be a child molester.

What if a woman says he molested her when she was 7? Is it OK to then say he may be a child molester? Because him getting caught with nude shots of his girlfriend's adopted daughter, then dumping the girlfriend for her isn't the sole reason people think he may be a child molester.

Well sure-

if the allegations were found to be true by the authorities who investigated them (they weren't)
if more victims came forward and a pattern was established (didn't happen)
If the 7 y/o's Mother wasn't thought to have coached her by the authorities (they did)
If there wasn't plenty of precedent of children who were around Dylan's age also believing they remember things that didn't happen because of parental influence (there is)
If the only sibling in the house at the time who wasn't of a single digit in age didn't say that the mother
was manipulative, vindictive, and fed lies to all the kids (he did- Moses Farrow was 14 at the time, now a family therapist and sides with Woody)
If the Mother wasn't known to be vindictive and emotionally fragile ( she is/was)
And ......wait for it.... if the Mother's brother wasn't a convicted chile molester. (he is)

Kind of makes me think that Mia had molestation on the mind.


And if the accused wasn't Woody, cuz "Sleeper" is knda cool...
 
2014-02-18 07:17:27 PM
thefatbasturd: Because you keep insisting I say ot makes him guiltyand evading what I really said, that it is possible and his past actions point to a lack of character. And you keep falling back on a defense of butbutbut it doesn't mean conclusivelybhe IS guilty so he must therefore be innocent because they stayed together 20 years after so leave 'em alone. Again Woody Allen and Mia Farrow are both douchebags and you, me, noone will ever know what the truth is, do your white knighting of someone you have NEVER met and do not know is as stupid as condemning him out of hand.

This was a tough read. You need to sort yourself out. I don't know that anybody involved is a douchebag, I never met them.  Again, it speaks ill of you to use such language. Takes away from the spirited debate. Or are you really saying that all you're doing is merely  suggesting or  implying that they might be douchebags?

I'm not saying that you flat out say he was guilty- but with the irrelevant Sun Yi stuff you suggest  it in a coy way that implies it. That's my objection. Even implying that someone  might be guilty of something so horrible and child molestaion seems ethically wrong to me, especially when a mountain of factual evidence points the other way.

If you can't admit to it and own your implications here, at this point it'll make you seem very disingenuous...
 
2014-02-18 07:21:57 PM

jonnya: Cletus C.: jonnya: We're all entitled to our opinions here, but in my mind it's irresponsible to even suggest that soley because someone defies your notion of what's acceptable, they may be a child molester.

What if a woman says he molested her when she was 7? Is it OK to then say he may be a child molester? Because him getting caught with nude shots of his girlfriend's adopted daughter, then dumping the girlfriend for her isn't the sole reason people think he may be a child molester.

Well sure-

if the allegations were found to be true by the authorities who investigated them (they weren't)

The judge in the custody case found proof of the allegations to be inconclusive. He also found Allen's team of therapists who said she was not molested not credible because of their loyalty to Allen. The prosecutor said there was probable cause to charge Allen but Dylan was too fragile to go through the process.
if more victims came forward and a pattern was established (didn't happen) Ah, the one free molestation rule again.
If the 7 y/o's Mother wasn't thought to have coached her by the authorities (they did) What authorities are you referring to, the prosecutor who wanted to bring charges?
If there wasn't plenty of precedent of children who were around Dylan's age also believing they remember things that didn't happen because of parental influence (there is) No other case proves his guilt or innocence.
If the only sibling in the house at the time who wasn't of a single digit in age didn't say that the mother
was manipulative, vindictive, and fed lies to all the kids (he did- Moses Farrow was 14 at the time, now a family therapist and sides with Woody)
Other kids in the house say other things. Dylan says she was molested.
If the Mother wasn't known to be vindictive and emotionally fragile ( she is/was) Tip to molesters, find this sort of woman and you can do whatever you want to her children, it seems.
And ......wait for it.... if the Mother's brother wasn't a convicted chile molester. (he is) This is important because ???

Kind of makes me think that Mia had molestation on the mind.

Kind of makes me think you just want Woody Allen to have not molested that girl.
 
2014-02-18 07:27:59 PM
What I wanted was a thread full of Princess Bride and Star Trek DS9 references and pics.
 
2014-02-18 07:29:00 PM

Cletus C.: jonnya: Cletus C.: jonnya: We're all entitled to our opinions here, but in my mind it's irresponsible to even suggest that soley because someone defies your notion of what's acceptable, they may be a child molester.

What if a woman says he molested her when she was 7? Is it OK to then say he may be a child molester? Because him getting caught with nude shots of his girlfriend's adopted daughter, then dumping the girlfriend for her isn't the sole reason people think he may be a child molester.

Well sure-

if the allegations were found to be true by the authorities who investigated them (they weren't) The judge in the custody case found proof of the allegations to be inconclusive. He also found Allen's team of therapists who said she was not molested not credible because of their loyalty to Allen. The prosecutor said there was probable cause to charge Allen but Dylan was too fragile to go through the process.
if more victims came forward and a pattern was established (didn't happen) Ah, the one free molestation rule again.
If the 7 y/o's Mother wasn't thought to have coached her by the authorities (they did) What authorities are you referring to, the prosecutor who wanted to bring charges?
If there wasn't plenty of precedent of children who were around Dylan's age also believing they remember things that didn't happen because of parental influence (there is) No other case proves his guilt or innocence.
If the only sibling in the house at the time who wasn't of a single digit in age didn't say that the mother
was manipulative, vindictive, and fed lies to all the kids (he did- Moses Farrow was 14 at the time, now a family therapist and sides with Woody) Other kids in the house say other things. Dylan says she was molested.
If the Mother wasn't known to be vindictive and emotionally fragile ( she is/was) Tip to molesters, find this sort of woman and you can do whatever you want to her children, it seems.
And ......wait for it.... if the Mother's brother wasn't a convicted chile molester. (he is) This is important because ???

Kind of makes me think that Mia had molestation on the mind.

Kind of makes me think you just want Woody Allen to have not molested that girl.


You're right, we kind of want a girl to not have been molested. Also, ALL prosecutors want to prosecute and think people are guilty. How could the prosecutor not move forward?
 
2014-02-18 07:30:44 PM

FirstNationalBastard: What I wanted was a thread full of Princess Bride and Star Trek DS9 references and pics.


Mowwestation, mowwestation bwings us together

MUW(molesters of unusual weirdness)? I hardly think they exist
 
2014-02-18 07:31:00 PM

Cletus C.: jonnya: Cletus C.: jonnya: We're all entitled to our opinions here, but in my mind it's irresponsible to even suggest that soley because someone defies your notion of what's acceptable, they may be a child molester.

What if a woman says he molested her when she was 7? Is it OK to then say he may be a child molester? Because him getting caught with nude shots of his girlfriend's adopted daughter, then dumping the girlfriend for her isn't the sole reason people think he may be a child molester.

Well sure-

if the allegations were found to be true by the authorities who investigated them (they weren't) The judge in the custody case found proof of the allegations to be inconclusive. He also found Allen's team of therapists who said she was not molested not credible because of their loyalty to Allen. The prosecutor said there was probable cause to charge Allen but Dylan was too fragile to go through the process.
if more victims came forward and a pattern was established (didn't happen) Ah, the one free molestation rule again.
If the 7 y/o's Mother wasn't thought to have coached her by the authorities (they did) What authorities are you referring to, the prosecutor who wanted to bring charges?
If there wasn't plenty of precedent of children who were around Dylan's age also believing they remember things that didn't happen because of parental influence (there is) No other case proves his guilt or innocence.
If the only sibling in the house at the time who wasn't of a single digit in age didn't say that the mother
was manipulative, vindictive, and fed lies to all the kids (he did- Moses Farrow was 14 at the time, now a family therapist and sides with Woody) Other kids in the house say other things. Dylan says she was molested.
If the Mother wasn't known to be vindictive and emotionally fragile ( she is/was) Tip to molesters, find this sort of woman and you can do whatever you want to her children, it seems.
And ......wait for it.... if the Mother's brother wasn't a convic ...


Yea, I'm familiar with the that one prosecutor's sympathies, but I'm having a hard time believing that any DA's office would believe they had a celebrity child molestor in their sites for a slam dunk conviction, and then would choose to let him go. That would mean that they're knowingly allowing a dangerous molestor free to roam and do it again. Highly unethical and hard to believe. If overall the department felt he was guilty, they would be obligated to arrest him and go for a conviction. How could they live with themselves otherwise? But yet that didn't happen.
 
2014-02-18 07:33:58 PM

jonnya: thefatbasturd: Because you keep insisting I say ot makes him guiltyand evading what I really said, that it is possible and his past actions point to a lack of character. And you keep falling back on a defense of butbutbut it doesn't mean conclusivelybhe IS guilty so he must therefore be innocent because they stayed together 20 years after so leave 'em alone. Again Woody Allen and Mia Farrow are both douchebags and you, me, noone will ever know what the truth is, do your white knighting of someone you have NEVER met and do not know is as stupid as condemning him out of hand.

This was a tough read. You need to sort yourself out. I don't know that anybody involved is a douchebag, I never met them.  Again, it speaks ill of you to use such language. Takes away from the spirited debate. Or are you really saying that all you're doing is merely  suggesting or  implying that they might be douchebags?

I'm not saying that you flat out say he was guilty- but with the irrelevant Sun Yi stuff you suggest  it in a coy way that implies it. That's my objection. Even implying that someone  might be guilty of something so horrible and child molestaion seems ethically wrong to me, especially when a mountain of factual evidence points the other way.

If you can't admit to it and own your implications here, at this point it'll make you seem very disingenuous...


And the fact you continue to dismiss it as "irrelevant" when it clearly is is the "willfully ignorant" part. That it DOES speak to his flawed judgement. ANYONE might be guilty of child molestation. You might personally find that distasteful but that does not makeit untrue, sorry.

Whatever Woody did or didn't do to Dylan, he cheated on his SO with her daughter. Sorryn that is something by your own admission he is guilty of. Most people would say that is a pretty big douchebag move. If even half of what Moses says is true, Mia used her kids as pawns with little to no regard to them. Again pretty hard to say that isn't pretty douchebaggy.

Yeah, my points have been directed mostly at Woody. Because nobody has really been stupid enough to White Knight Mia Farrow. However they will come iut in DROVES to say it is impossible for Woody to have done it because " WOW, Annie Hall, dude!"
 
2014-02-18 07:37:18 PM

Cletus C.: Kind of makes me think you just want Woody Allen to have not molested that girl.


Wait, so you want her to have been molested by him? Just so you can feel right headed about this? That's wayyyy farked. But it also likely addresses the great divide here. Like I said before, I'm an optimist, of course I want Woody, or anybody else, to have not molested her. You thinking otherwise is completely alien to me.
 
2014-02-18 07:42:13 PM

thefatbasturd: douchebaggy


Douchebaggery, lack of judgment and flawed character are common characteristics of people who don't molest children. Dating your girlfriend's adult daughter is no indication of pedophilia.

You don't like him, you think he's creepy, fine. It's not evidence of anything else.

Your obsession with this, on the other hand....
 
2014-02-18 07:50:12 PM
"Never go against a Sicilian when paedophilia is on the line!!!"
 
2014-02-18 07:52:17 PM
thefatbasturd:
And the fact you continue to dismiss it as "irrelevant" when it clearly is is the "willfully ignorant" part. That it DOES speak to his flawed judgement. ANYONE might be guilty of child molestation. You might personally find that distasteful but that does not makeit untrue, sorry.

Whatever Woody did or didn't do to Dylan, he cheated on his SO with her daughter. Sorryn that is something by your own admission he is guilty of. Most people would say that is a pretty big douchebag move. If even half of what Moses says is true, Mia used her kids as pawns with little to no regard to them. Again pretty hard to say that isn't pretty douchebaggy.

Yeah, my points have been directed mostly at Woody. Because nobody has really been stupid enough to White Knight Mia Farrow. However they will come iut in DROVES to say it is impossible for Woody to have done it because " WOW, Annie Hall, dude!"


I'm really starting to lose your logic. You were much crisper earlier. If you just admit you think he's guilty, we can perhaps move on from you saying the same thing over and over again, but losing steam and credibility each time.

I didn't admit he's guilty of anything. All I said about Woody/Sun is that it all went down unconventionally. I'm not seeing where that's a guilty/innocent judgment call there to be made by the likes of of you or me. Two Happily married consenting adults. Not my concern.  Again, in a truly impartial discussion, douchebag is an unfortunate choice of phrase. Damaged, hurting, petty, - words like that are better choices. When you call someone you never met a Dbag, you almost sound like a bitter teabag type. It suggests ignorance.  Unless of course you knew for sure that the person was unquestionably evil and destructive. But you yourself haven'treally come down concretely on either sided of that regarding Woody/Dylan.
 
2014-02-18 07:53:22 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: thefatbasturd: douchebaggy

Douchebaggery, lack of judgment and flawed character are common characteristics of people who don't molest children. Dating your girlfriend's adult daughter is no indication of pedophilia.

You don't like him, you think he's creepy, fine. It's not evidence of anything else.

Your obsession with this, on the other hand....


Yeah. I have an obsession. I point out "we will never know, but he might have done it. He has a history of poor decisions" and people SCREAM to the heavens ober and over again "butbutbut it's WOOOOODYYYYY!!!!!! I love his movies so I KNOW he couldn't have done it!!!!!" and I am the one with an obsession.

Hey, you realize you NEVER did explain your claim Woody+Soon-Yi = "proof" he DIDN'T do it.
 
2014-02-18 08:01:17 PM
"Have fun convicting the director!"
"You think it will work?"
"It would take a miracle."
 
2014-02-18 08:01:44 PM

thefatbasturd: proof


I'm not claiming proof of anything.

Attraction to an adult is not evidence of attraction to children and "poor decisions" is not evidence of pedophilia.

You're about a comment away from being farkied as a troll. No one is really this stupid.
 
2014-02-18 08:07:06 PM
thefatbasturd:Yeah, my points have been directed mostly at Woody. Because nobody has really been stupid enough to White Knight Mia Farrow. However they will come iut in DROVES to say it is impossible for Woody to have done it because " WOW, Annie Hall, dude!"
 

Also you keep saying that Everyone is white knighting him because they're infatuated with his movies. I've not seen one post that even mentions his movies, except for a few of yours, and I've been logged in for hours. I think I told you twice now that I'm not even a fan of his films. Or do you think I'm lying to serve my agenda, just like Woody, Mia, and Sun did about Woody's lack of involvement  with Sun's upbringing?
 
2014-02-18 08:10:55 PM
"Finish him your way"
"What's my way?"
"Wait until he's about to collect a Golden Globe, then write an op-ed in the times accusing him of molestation."
"My way's not very sportsmanlike."


"Kristof, you know how much I love watching you work, but I've got a fight against polio in Africa to plan, my next movie to arrange, my daughter to molest and Allen to frame for it; I'm swamped ."
 
2014-02-18 08:17:16 PM

jonnya: thefatbasturd:
And the fact you continue to dismiss it as "irrelevant" when it clearly is is the "willfully ignorant" part. That it DOES speak to his flawed judgement. ANYONE might be guilty of child molestation. You might personally find that distasteful but that does not makeit untrue, sorry.

Whatever Woody did or didn't do to Dylan, he cheated on his SO with her daughter. Sorryn that is something by your own admission he is guilty of. Most people would say that is a pretty big douchebag move. If even half of what Moses says is true, Mia used her kids as pawns with little to no regard to them. Again pretty hard to say that isn't pretty douchebaggy.

Yeah, my points have been directed mostly at Woody. Because nobody has really been stupid enough to White Knight Mia Farrow. However they will come iut in DROVES to say it is impossible for Woody to have done it because " WOW, Annie Hall, dude!"

I'm really starting to lose your logic. You were much crisper earlier. If you just admit you think he's guilty, we can perhaps move on from you saying the same thing over and over again, but losing steam and credibility each time.

I didn't admit he's guilty of anything. All I said about Woody/Sun is that it all went down unconventionally. I'm not seeing where that's a guilty/innocent judgment call there to be made by the likes of of you or me. Two Happily married consenting adults. Not my concern.  Again, in a truly impartial discussion, douchebag is an unfortunate choice of phrase. Damaged, hurting, petty, - words like that are better choices. When you call someone you never met a Dbag, you almost sound like a bitter teabag type. It suggests ignorance.  Unless of course you knew for sure that the person was unquestionably evil and destructive. But you yourself haven'treally come down concretely on either sided of that regarding Woody/Dylan.


So if I admit to something YOU claim I am saying but am not ACTUALLY claiming, you will have more fun with the argument? RIIIIIIIIIGHT!

I keep repeating myself because you keep repeating the claim I am arguing something I am not.You can play your little games and infer whatever you want about whatever your brain has decided my political leanings are and make all the snide remarks you want, but it doesn't make you right. And frankly it is much more of a "sign of ignorance" than anything you want to accuse me of.

And you say he is in a relationship with his ex-girlfriends daughter. So he is "guilty" of that. Guilty. Means he did it. Not that it's a crime, but that he DID do what was alleged. No way around that.
 
2014-02-18 08:30:15 PM

thefatbasturd: So if I admit to something YOU claim I am saying but am not ACTUALLY claiming, you will have more fun with the argument? RIIIIIIIIIGHT!

I keep repeating myself because you keep repeating the claim I am arguing something I am not.You can play your little games and infer whatever you want about whatever your brain has decided my political leanings are and make all the snide remarks you want, but it doesn't make you right. And frankly it is much more of a "sign of ignorance" than anything you want to accuse me of.

And you say he is in a relationship with his ex-girlfriends daughter. So he is "guilty" of that. Guilty. Means he did it. Not that it's a crime, but that he DID do what was alleged. No way around that.


Ha. Well then yes, he is "guilty" of farking Sun-Yi, and you are "guilty" of breathing air. Is there a point to this semantic sidebar?

You are a troll. I hope. Go back to my post from 7:17. You're undying concerns over not fully saying you think he did it are addressed In kind. Re-read it, and begin your loop once again....
 
2014-02-18 10:52:31 PM
They should ask her son Frank Sinatra Jr.
 
2014-02-18 10:57:38 PM
Simpsons did it.
 
2014-02-18 11:33:01 PM

jonnya: Cletus C.: Kind of makes me think you just want Woody Allen to have not molested that girl.

Wait, so you want her to have been molested by him? Just so you can feel right headed about this? That's wayyyy farked. But it also likely addresses the great divide here. Like I said before, I'm an optimist, of course I want Woody, or anybody else, to have not molested her. You thinking otherwise is completely alien to me.


You want her to have been brainwashed all the fark up or a liar. Much kinder than believing her.
 
2014-02-19 12:02:05 AM
So, the child is lying if no one directly saw the act, there is no dna or bodily injury, and the mother of said child might be kooky.  Game on pedos.  You guys remembered to register right?

In cases like this, which I don't know many of, where there seems to be no incentive for the accuser, I tend to side with the victim a bit more.  If Dylan was suing for 30 million or had a book coming out etc, I would be a bit skeptical but probably still lean towards her side.  I don't know, I guess I have a soft spot for people who claim they were abused in a horrific way and it ruined their life rather than side with a multi millionaire who married his friend's acquaintance (fark, we all know he married his farking daughter but his white knights can't admit it).  I don't see this as poor Woody, but poor Dylan.  I'm ok with that.
 
2014-02-19 12:28:35 AM

BalugaJoe: They should ask her son Frank Sinatra Jr.


yeah, I almost fell out of my chair when I saw a picture of him

www.adweek.com
 
2014-02-19 12:50:56 AM

Cletus C.: jonnya: Cletus C.: Kind of makes me think you just want Woody Allen to have not molested that girl.

Wait, so you want her to have been molested by him? Just so you can feel right headed about this? That's wayyyy farked. But it also likely addresses the great divide here. Like I said before, I'm an optimist, of course I want Woody, or anybody else, to have not molested her. You thinking otherwise is completely alien to me.

You want her to have been brainwashed all the fark up or a liar. Much kinder than believing her.


Wait, so you want her to have been molested by him? Just so you can feel right headed about this? That's wayyyy farked. But it also likely addresses the great divide here. Like I said before, I'm an optimist, of course I want Woody, or anybody else, to have not molested her. You thinking otherwise is completely alien to me.

You want her to have been brainwashed all the fark up or a liar. Much kinder than believing her.


Huh? You need to back that up with something I've actually said before going around telling me what I want. And I'm not seeing how kindness enters into any of this.
Wait, so you want her to have been molested by him? Just so you can feel right headed about this? That's wayyyy farked. But it also likely addresses the great divide here. Like I said before, I'm an optimist, of course I want Woody, or anybody else, to have not molested her. You thinking otherwise is completely alien to me.

You want her to have been brainwashed all the fark up or a liar. Much kinder than believing her.


Huh? You need to back that up with something I've actually said before going around telling me what I want. The only thing I've directly said about Dylan is that either way she is the victim here. Do it- prove where I say  wanther to have been brainwashed. Why would anybody want that? Really now. So cynical.

Furthermore, how does what (you believe) I want or do not want have any bearing on the this case whatsoever? I'm not quite that self important to even entertain such nonsense. It would be best if you kept your comments to the actual facts.

Look, I get it, child molestors suck. They're the worst.  But are you really so knee jerk in your desire for justice that you can't entertain the fact that occasionally people are falsely accused? Especially when that was the exact conclusion of the investigation, as well as everybody sans Mia who was a part of the case older who was than the age of 8?

I'll give you bonus points if you can reply w/o using the phrase "white knight". That is so lame and only serves as subterfuge. Kind of like a teabag talking point. Let's stick to the legalities and the facts...

Double bonus if you can do it w/o mentioning Sun Yi, which as you know, would be laughably irrelevant in quest for hard evidence that proves Woody molested Dylan.
 
2014-02-19 01:06:52 AM

Cletus C.: James!: I'm sure in the history of the world some pedophiles have only molested one child, but the majority have a predilection towards children and molest multiple children (Mia's brother for example). You'd like to completely disregard the fact that he hadn't been accused before or since.

So listen up pedos, you get a free pass on one, as long as you don't do it again. Let the molesting begin.


I don't know why people think pedos get caught right away or start molesting in their 20's or something. They don't. My friend's neighbor was married and had a teenage children and no prior convictions, was a super 'nice guy' when the police arrested him in a pedo sting for trying to meet her in a hotel to had sex with her. She told her parents he was being creepy and telling her these creepy fantasies he had about her trying to convince her to do things with him, and they called the police who tapped her phone and recorded him talking to her and pulled a sting. When he got caught coming into the room, he had condoms and her second grade picture with him. But no previous charges or allegations, none at all. But she showed me some of the letters he wrote to her and would hand to her over the fence. Trust me, he was gross.
 
2014-02-19 01:07:38 AM
Ugh, I should say, don't ALL get caught right away or start molesting early.
 
2014-02-19 05:46:49 AM

Fano: douchebag/hater: When did Wallace Shawn become an expert on pedophilia?

(This question sorta answers itself, doesn't it?)

Have you ever heard of Townshend, Gadd, Dodgson? MORONS.


I can't believe I was so proud coming up with this quit I forgot the obvious answer: "Truly, he has a dizzying intellect."
 
2014-02-19 05:59:54 AM
I'm pretty sure that part of the reason abuse continues is because well meaning folks who have no idea what they are talking about feel compelled to come to the defense of the accused.

I admire Mr. Shawn's work, but how can he honestly say he has any insight into what Woody Allen does in private?

I don't think most people have even a clue about the sexual practices of members of their own family, much less the sexual practices of people they have occasionally worked for.
 
2014-02-19 06:20:10 AM

hestheone: I'm pretty sure that part of the reason abuse continues is because well meaning folks who have no idea what they are talking about feel compelled to come to the defense of the accused.

I admire Mr. Shawn's work, but how can he honestly say he has any insight into what Woody Allen does in private?

I don't think most people have even a clue about the sexual practices of members of their own family, much less the sexual practices of people they have occasionally worked for.


Another, larger part, is because abusers abuse people. Some hillbilly in Podunk isn't weighing that too hard when weighing whether to rape his daughter.
 
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