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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Wallace Shawn says that the Woody Allen sex abuse allegations are INCONCEIVABLE   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 138
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2014-02-18 08:53:12 AM
False memories, Elizabeth Loftus, The Lost in the Mall Technique.

Relevant.


Study it out, Mia Farrow.
 
2014-02-18 09:59:29 AM
Well that settles it, then.
 
2014-02-18 10:00:06 AM
Did he just call Franklin Roosevelt a child molester. Inconceivable.
 
2014-02-18 10:07:03 AM
You can tell a story is really heating up when Wallace Motherf*cking Shawn gets involved.
 
2014-02-18 10:08:37 AM

James!: You can tell a story is really heating up when Wallace Motherf*cking Shawn gets involved.


Especially since there's no profit in it.
 
2014-02-18 10:14:36 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.


Indeed. I bet Woody's really pleased to see how his being accused has helped other people get some airtime for themselves,keeping the story going as they weigh in with their empty opinions.
 
2014-02-18 10:15:14 AM
i thought he was as dead as Abe Vigoda.  Didn't someone from the Princess Bride die recently?
 
2014-02-18 10:19:10 AM

somemoron: Didn't someone from the Princess Bride die recently?


Mel Smith, Guy who played the albino.
 
2014-02-18 10:27:24 AM

James!: You can tell a story is really heating up when Wallace Motherf*cking Shawn gets involved.


Well, so long as the story isn't a land war in Asia or a Sicilian with death on the line, it's alright to get involved.
 
2014-02-18 10:27:50 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.


Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!
 
2014-02-18 10:30:02 AM

steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!


Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.
 
2014-02-18 10:32:25 AM
as you wish
 
2014-02-18 10:33:12 AM
my name is mia farrow, you raped my daughter, prepare to lie
 
2014-02-18 10:34:24 AM

Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.


People lie all the time, this is no different.
 
2014-02-18 10:40:00 AM

Infernalist: Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.

People lie all the time, this is no different.


Without having been there you can't definitively say Woody is lying. All you can do is form your own opinion.
 
2014-02-18 10:48:35 AM

Cletus C.: Infernalist: Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.

People lie all the time, this is no different.

Without having been there you can't definitively say Woody is lying. All you can do is form your own opinion.


And you can't say that he's not telling the truth.  Opinions are great that way.

That said, publicly accusing someone of something without evidence is an actual crime, you know, so not all opinions are equal.
 
2014-02-18 10:59:43 AM
"In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.
 
2014-02-18 10:59:44 AM

Infernalist: Cletus C.: Infernalist: Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.

People lie all the time, this is no different.

Without having been there you can't definitively say Woody is lying. All you can do is form your own opinion.

And you can't say that he's not telling the truth.  Opinions are great that way.

That said, publicly accusing someone of something without evidence is an actual crime, you know, so not all opinions are equal.


Are you saying her accusation has more credibility than his denial because she could be charged with an "actual crime" if it isn't true?
 
2014-02-18 11:06:51 AM
You know what else cannot conceive?

A seven-year-old girl.
 
2014-02-18 11:07:22 AM

thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.


Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.
 
2014-02-18 11:14:08 AM

James!: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.


And Michael Jackson was acquitted. Doesn't mean I'd want my kids around him while he was still alive.
 
2014-02-18 11:19:17 AM

thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.


thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.


Well that's good- because Roman Polanski definitely didn't molest Dylan Farrow. Which is what we're talking about....
 
2014-02-18 11:21:18 AM

thetrenchcoat: James!: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Polanski was arrested, charged then plead guilty.  Allen wasn't arrested or charged with any crime.

And Michael Jackson was acquitted. Doesn't mean I'd want my kids around him while he was still alive.


What does Michael Jackson have to do with Woody Allen?

I doubt either of them would watch your kids if you asked.
 
2014-02-18 11:23:29 AM

Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.


When every bit of evidence taken at the time says it didn't happen then yes she should be ignored, its quite obvious that Mia has a vendetta against Woody that is backed up by her other kids and its known she's nutty as a fruitcake.
 
2014-02-18 11:26:34 AM

jonnya: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Well that's good- because Roman Polanski definitely didn't molest Dylan Farrow. Which is what we're talking about....


Yet another reason why its pretty clear this never happened, Mia openly campaigned for Roman's innocence and wanted to work with him after these supposed events. Any parent who had a child molested would abhor any person who molested any child let alone drugged and anally raped one.
 
2014-02-18 11:30:37 AM

thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.


Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.
 
2014-02-18 11:35:26 AM
I can NOT believe he would render such scurrilous accusations against Bishop Tutu.  UN-BOH-LEEV-UH-BOLL
 
2014-02-18 11:38:30 AM

thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.


Sure, when other victims comes forward, that can absolutely be game changer. In this case, that hasn't happened. Which in itself, statistically speaking, points to Allen's innocence.
 
2014-02-18 11:39:02 AM

thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.


The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.
 
2014-02-18 11:44:21 AM

steamingpile: Cletus C.: steamingpile: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Well that settles it, then.

Well that and the fact the doctor she was taken to concluded no abuse took place and that the judge wound up chastising the DA who pushed the case.

Besides that I didn't even know Wallace was still alive!

Yes, the inconvenience of Dylan as an adult speaking about the alleged abuse must be ignored at all cost.

When every bit of evidence taken at the time says it didn't happen then yes she should be ignored, its quite obvious that Mia has a vendetta against Woody that is backed up by her other kids and its known she's nutty as a fruitcake.


Mia is not claiming she was abused by Woody. Dylan is. She says he molested her.
 
2014-02-18 11:45:51 AM

James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.


Really? Because the whole Soon-Yi thing kind of hurts the credibility of that argument. I don't say it means he did it, but it does speak to a lack of judgment on what is appropriate.
 
2014-02-18 11:52:07 AM
I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.
 
2014-02-18 11:52:22 AM

thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

Really? Because the whole Soon-Yi thing kind of hurts the credibility of that argument. I don't say it means he did it, but it does speak to a lack of judgment on what is appropriate.


Oh goody, please tell us what you think the facts are with him and Soon-Yi.  This is my favorite.
 
2014-02-18 11:55:18 AM

Anonymous Bosch: I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.


So the fact that people are defending him is proof of guilt to you?
 
2014-02-18 11:58:26 AM
This defense seems a little less PR than "It's a family situation and I hope they figure it out."

Cate Blanchett is being classy because she's a classy person, but I suspect she wouldn't work with Allen if she had reservations.

I wish I could use the same adjective about Mia Farrow.  I don't know about anyone else, but if I had an episode of sexual abuse in my past, I'd want to have some kind of control over how and when it was discussed.  I wouldn't want someone, no matter how well intentioned, bringing it up in public without my agency.  Farrow just seems to poke the hornet's nest every few years.  I'm not sure that's helping her daughter.
 
2014-02-18 11:58:34 AM

James!: Anonymous Bosch: I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.

So the fact that people are defending him is proof of guilt to you?


That fact that people feel a burning need to defend him publicly, constantly, as loudly as possible, nonstop since an accusation was made on Twitter a month ago? Yes, pretty much. But you'll be happy to know I have never served on a jury.
 
2014-02-18 12:03:46 PM

Anonymous Bosch: James!: Anonymous Bosch: I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.

So the fact that people are defending him is proof of guilt to you?

That fact that people feel a burning need to defend him publicly, constantly, as loudly as possible, nonstop since an accusation was made on Twitter a month ago? Yes, pretty much. But you'll be happy to know I have never served on a jury.


Wallace Shawn writing an op-ed is constant and loud?  I suppose all the articles accusing him of wrongdoing must then prove his innocence for you.
 
2014-02-18 12:06:24 PM

Anonymous Bosch: James!: Anonymous Bosch: I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.

So the fact that people are defending him is proof of guilt to you?

That fact that people feel a burning need to defend him publicly, constantly, as loudly as possible, nonstop since an accusation was made on Twitter a month ago? Yes, pretty much. But you'll be happy to know I have never served on a jury.



This train of thought hurts my head.

So then by your logic, can we not say the same thing about those who publicly support/defend Mia? Furthermore Allen's defenders were only reacting to the bomb that Mia/Dylan initially planted in the Times piece. It's not random....
 
2014-02-18 12:17:09 PM

jonnya: Anonymous Bosch: James!: Anonymous Bosch: I like Wallace Shawn. I really do.

But Woody Allen is rich and famous in a world where being rich and famous gets you a free farking pass in every respect worth mentioning. He needs no additional defense. If Allen were truly innocent he wouldn't need every insecure intellectual and pseudo-intellectual who feel his works are a cultural touchstone to circle the Goddamn wagons in the press constantly.

So fark Woody Allen.

So the fact that people are defending him is proof of guilt to you?

That fact that people feel a burning need to defend him publicly, constantly, as loudly as possible, nonstop since an accusation was made on Twitter a month ago? Yes, pretty much. But you'll be happy to know I have never served on a jury.


This train of thought hurts my head.

So then by your logic, can we not say the same thing about those who publicly support/defend Mia? Furthermore Allen's defenders were only reacting to the bomb that Mia/Dylan initially planted in the Times piece. It's not random....


Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?
 
2014-02-18 12:23:17 PM

Cletus C.: Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?


Because Mia Farrow emotionally abused her child into believing she was molested.  You may not agree, but that would just be your opinion.
 
2014-02-18 12:25:54 PM

James!: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

Really? Because the whole Soon-Yi thing kind of hurts the credibility of that argument. I don't say it means he did it, but it does speak to a lack of judgment on what is appropriate.

Oh goody, please tell us what you think the facts are with him and Soon-Yi.  This is my favorite.


She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can try and spin it all you want, it was grossly inappropriate to start a sexual relationship with her, but not illegal. THOSE are the facts.
 
2014-02-18 12:30:12 PM

James!: Cletus C.: Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?

Because Mia Farrow emotionally abused her child into believing she was molested.  You may not agree, but that would just be your opinion.


Oh, her child. Not the adult making the accusations now. I do not know for sure if Woody did what she says he did, but I don't immediately dismiss a woman's claim of rape or abuse.
 
2014-02-18 12:33:26 PM

thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

People still work for Roman Polanski too.

Exactly. And I can tell you from personal experiece it doesn't matter how well you THINK you know someone, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Have a friend I have known almost 30 years. Was thought of by everyone as a great guy. Teacher, tennis coach, singer in a well known local gospel group, stadium announcer for an NBA team. Then allegations come out about child sexual abuse. We rallied around him. Our friend could NEVER do that. He is a good man. Then more victims start coming forward. And then he finally admits "yeah it's true. Dylan may well be lying, we will never know. But that's nust it we will NEVER know. And people who say "Well it's impossible because Woody is the not that kind of guy..." don't know crap about his deepest darkest secrets.

The thing about your friend is he assaulted multiple kids.  That's the MO for pedophiles.  Woody had never been accused before and hasn't been accused since.

Really? Because the whole Soon-Yi thing kind of hurts the credibility of that argument. I don't say it means he did it, but it does speak to a lack of judgment on what is appropriate.

Oh goody, please tell us what you think the facts are with him and Soon-Yi.  This is my favorite.

She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...


Mia claimed that he wasn't a father figure to Soon-Yi.  Are you calling Mia Farrow a liar?
 
2014-02-18 12:34:18 PM

Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?

Because Mia Farrow emotionally abused her child into believing she was molested.  You may not agree, but that would just be your opinion.

Oh, her child. Not the adult making the accusations now. I do not know for sure if Woody did what she says he did, but I don't immediately dismiss a woman's claim of rape or abuse.


I don't think anyone dismissed her claims. In fact they were thoroughly investigated 20 years ago.
 
2014-02-18 12:36:55 PM

James!: Cletus C.: James!: Cletus C.: Why the Mia/Dylan? Mia's name wasn't on the Times piece. You really, really want this to be about ol' nutty Mia, don't you? Why is that?

Because Mia Farrow emotionally abused her child into believing she was molested.  You may not agree, but that would just be your opinion.

Oh, her child. Not the adult making the accusations now. I do not know for sure if Woody did what she says he did, but I don't immediately dismiss a woman's claim of rape or abuse.

I don't think anyone dismissed her claims. In fact they were thoroughly investigated 20 years ago.


Then, as now, it came down to her word vs. his. He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.

It's trickier now, with the all-growed-up Dylan speaking out.
 
2014-02-18 12:41:43 PM

Cletus C.: He used his money wisely in the initial investigation, smearing everyone involved and making it appear this child was being manipulated by the crazy Mia.


Evidence?
 
2014-02-18 12:43:53 PM

thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.


[snip]

She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...

Actually, his "biological" child wasn't his--- It was Frank Sinatra's. Mia just lied and told Woody it was his, and then got all the child support money out of him for a kid she knew wasn't his.
 
2014-02-18 12:51:06 PM
Oh, hey.  It's you two again.  Oh, well.
 
2014-02-18 12:52:31 PM
No Zimmerman headline today?
 
2014-02-18 01:12:35 PM

Nix Nightbird: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: James!: thefatbasturd: thetrenchcoat: "In fact, like so many of those who have worked with him repeatedly over the decades, I've found him to be not merely thoughtful, serious and honest, but extraordinary and even inspiring in his thoughtfulness, seriousness and honesty. Of the people I've known, he's one of those I've respected most," Shawn writes, adding that those attributes make it hard for him to believe that Allen molested Dylan.

[snip]

She was the adopted daughter of his long time girlfriend. A girlfriend who he had both biological and adopted children. Although her adoptive father is André Previn, it is ridiculous and grasping at straws to say Woody was in NO way any kind of father figure. And you can t ...

Actually, his "biological" child wasn't his--- It was Frank Sinatra's. Mia just lied and told Woody it was his, and then got all the child support money out of him for a kid she knew wasn't his.


Unless something has changed recently that is still speculation.

Don't get me wrong. Mia is a psycho biatch who I think would be very likely to encourage her daughter to believe she was abused even though she wasn't for vindictive reasons. I also believe Woidy is an egimaniac who has proven at the very least he has no idea or doesn't care about what is and is not appropriate behavior sometimes. My original point I still stand by is we will NEVER know what really happened. And anyone who THINKS they do because they read all the "facts" in the newspapers/online, or because Woody/Mia just wouldn't do that "because movies" is an idiot
 
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