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(Newser)   George Zimmerman now wears a bulletproof vest all the time, you know, in case someone shoots him for no reason   (newser.com) divider line 333
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2014-02-17 07:33:43 PM  

Baz744: elysive: Anyway, Zimmerman won his case based on the evidence provided.

Zimmerman's apologists make too much of his acquittal. It does not mean the man is actually innocent. It just means the state failed to meet its burden of proof.

So let's say a juror interprets "beyond a reasonable doubt" to mean "98% or higher chance of guilt." That juror would acquit even if he believed guilt to a 97% certainty.

As members of the public, we retain the right to believe Zimmerman is guilty.

It occurs to me though, would it make sense to add another option to "guilty" and "not guilty?" What if the options were "guilty," "guilt not sufficiently proven," and "actually innocent?"

Something to think about.


I really dont care if he's guilty or not just as I didnt care that much about OJ going free (he set himself up for that civil suit and ultimately got just desserts).

I would much rather guilty people go free because the govt presents a shiatty case than lower that burden of proof so that we can put innocent people in prison because feelings.  You can call him whatever you want, make up a new classification, knock yourself out, sue him even, but the trial is over and because of double jeopardy you cant try him again. You're spinning your wheels and apparently giving him all the attention he in his AWhoredom desires.
 
2014-02-17 07:34:57 PM  
Who?
 
2014-02-17 07:37:45 PM  

elysive: I really dont care if he's guilty or not just as I didnt care that much about OJ going free


Since you're so aloof to this fray, why are you in this thread?

You're spinning your wheels and apparently giving him all the attention he in his AWhoredom desires.

I rather thought I was whiling away the evening in spirited conversation about a stimulating issue of public interest.

But I say tomato, you say tomahto.
 
2014-02-17 07:41:36 PM  

Baz744: elysive: Are you saying I would have been correct to turn and start a physical altercation with those people?

There's no credible evidence Trayvon started the physical altercation either. Hardly anyone thinks Trayvon was justified in turning around and randomly beating Zimmerman just for following him. Rather, the theory is that Trayvon did exactly what Zimmerman claimed to have been doing in investigating a suspicious character. A fight somehow broke out.

The thing Trayvon's defamers forget is because Zimmerman was armed with a loaded firearm, any altercation that broke out was potentially lethal for Trayvon. That means Trayvon had the right to use lethal force in his own defense; even unto the point of bashing Zimmerman's head until he lost consciousness or died.

Oh yeah. I forgot. Black kids don't have the right to defend themselves. This is America!


I was responding to the claim that being followed at night is sufficient threat to defend yourself/aka beat someone with fists.

As for the rest of your speculation about that night, I really dont care. Go find a juror and have a spirited conversation with them. I just would rather not find myself getting beaten by someone because I was walking or driving the same route as a paranoid person.
 
2014-02-17 07:42:39 PM  
he should shut it and try and keep a low profile. he could refuse all interview requests, not sure why he doesn't since he claims he wants to be left alone.

pretty sure we'll be hearing about him when he kills someone else.
 
2014-02-17 07:45:47 PM  
I hope he finds Casey Anthony.  It would be nice change of pace to have a deserving white woman.
 
2014-02-17 07:46:04 PM  

James10952001: Do you truly support vigilante justice? I assure you that sometime in your life, you have done something that somebody somewhere would like to have your head for.


I'd rather do things that poeple would like to give me head for.
 
2014-02-17 07:46:42 PM  

Baz744: elysive: I really dont care if he's guilty or not just as I didnt care that much about OJ going free

Since you're so aloof to this fray, why are you in this thread?

You're spinning your wheels and apparently giving him all the attention he in his AWhoredom desires.

I rather thought I was whiling away the evening in spirited conversation about a stimulating issue of public interest.

But I say tomato, you say tomahto.


From the evidence I've seen, i think the jurors did the right thing but he could also have been guilty. Same with OJ. Mind blown? Justice is not trampling over the most fundamental safeguards of our legal system seriously did no one else take a civics class in high school?

I also feel a little bad that ppl are still obsessed with making Zim pay but as a brainless AW he isnt helping himself. These threads are like trainwrecks. Cant look away.
 
2014-02-17 07:56:18 PM  

elysive: I was responding to the claim that being followed at night is sufficient threat to defend yourself/aka beat someone with fists.


That's more something you read into something someone said than anything that anyone actually claimed. You divorced a remark about how Trayvon probably felt threatened by Zimmerman following him from all the rest of the known facts, and took that as a claim that Trayvon was justified in beating Zimmerman just for following him.


From the evidence I've seen, i think the jurors did the right thing but he could also have been guilty. Same with OJ. Mind blown?

Um... no?

These threads are like trainwrecks. Cant look away.

In that case, maybe you ought to refrain from scolding other people who still find the case interesting to talk about from time to time.
 
2014-02-17 08:00:55 PM  

Weatherkiss: I'm curious how many Farkers in this thread who feel entitled to their own facts about the Zimmerman/Martin case similarly feel entitled to their own facts regarding that McDonald's hot coffee spill.


I am particularly amused by the anti-gun people who also wish for severe physical harm and/or death for Zimmerman.
 
2014-02-17 08:01:49 PM  

Baz744: elysive: I was responding to the claim that being followed at night is sufficient threat to defend yourself/aka beat someone with fists.

That's more something you read into something someone said than anything that anyone actually claimed. You divorced a remark about how Trayvon probably felt threatened by Zimmerman following him from all the rest of the known facts, and took that as a claim that Trayvon was justified in beating Zimmerman just for following him.


From the evidence I've seen, i think the jurors did the right thing but he could also have been guilty. Same with OJ. Mind blown?

Um... no?

These threads are like trainwrecks. Cant look away.

In that case, maybe you ought to refrain from scolding other people who still find the case interesting to talk about from time to time.


You do realize Dunn is going to jail because deluded paranoid fantasies are not valid defense for attempted murder.
 
2014-02-17 08:02:55 PM  

sugar_fetus: Weatherkiss: I'm curious how many Farkers in this thread who feel entitled to their own facts about the Zimmerman/Martin case similarly feel entitled to their own facts regarding that McDonald's hot coffee spill.

I am particularly amused by the anti-gun people who also wish for severe physical harm and/or death for Zimmerman.


Not to mention the fact they're anti-vigilante but want vigilante action taken against him. An Eye for an Eye, Blood for the Blood God, etc. etc.

It's easy to wish death or harm on someone you've never met and are never going to meet, based on perceptions and reasons given to you by the media.
 
2014-02-17 08:03:02 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, would people know who his doctor is?

Calling shenanigans.


I think you may be misunderestimating the power of the Internet. Look at what happened with Anonymous targeting Jenna Jamison's ex...
 
2014-02-17 08:06:39 PM  

Baz744: James10952001: You don't have to like him, hell you're allowed to hate him. You're not allowed to threaten or attack him though. The moment you do that, you're the one in the wrong.

Thank you citizen!

But that doesn't mean I'm obligated to give the slightest shi*t if his life is an unceasing parade of death threats and physical attacks. In fact, I'm allowed to hope the animal gets threatened and physically attacked every day until he commits suicide. I'm allowed to even express that hope in public forums like these!

And were I to serve on a jury for a person accused of threatening, attacking, or even killing Zimmerman, I would also be allowed to cast my vote however I saw fit. Whether or not I have a "right" to nullify wouldn't even come into issue were I to express any "not guilty" vote only in terms relating to a choice to believe or disbelieve pertinent evidence.

"I'm sorry. It just really seems to me like Officer Friendly is lying. In my experience people who express themselves the way he does just can't be trusted. I don't believe a word of his report. In fact, I'm pretty sure Zimmerman is still alive somewhere, menacing some black kid for holding a watering can or rolled up newspaper or something."


Because you are a bad person, pure and simple.
 
2014-02-17 08:08:37 PM  
 
2014-02-17 08:18:08 PM  
"no reason"
 
2014-02-17 08:22:32 PM  

Infernalist: He'll suicide or end up in a police stand-off before it's all over.


now that will be the ultimate in karmic retribution.
 
2014-02-17 08:28:20 PM  
Well looks like this issue will be solved tonight....
 
2014-02-17 08:28:59 PM  

Hobodeluxe: LeroyBourne: I'll give it 6 months before he shoots himself in the head thus connecting the circle of life.  Hell, the last thread was about him losing his house.  I would never consider it, but I've never been under that kind of stress.

Zimmerman isn't the suicidal type imo.  He loves himself too much and has no remorse for what he's done. He truly believes he's the victim here.
He does have anger management issues however and likes to put on the false bravado/machismo front. That might get his ass killed one day.


Who said it'd be suicide?  He seems like the type who would accidentally shoot himself while cleaning his gun.
 
2014-02-17 08:29:33 PM  

Baz744: elysive: I was responding to the claim that being followed at night is sufficient threat to defend yourself/aka beat someone with fists.

That's more something you read into something someone said than anything that anyone actually claimed. You divorced a remark about how Trayvon probably felt threatened by Zimmerman following him from all the rest of the known facts, and took that as a claim that Trayvon was justified in beating Zimmerman just for following him.


From the evidence I've seen, i think the jurors did the right thing but he could also have been guilty. Same with OJ. Mind blown?

Um... no?

These threads are like trainwrecks. Cant look away.

In that case, maybe you ought to refrain from scolding other people who still find the case interesting to talk about from time to time.


My original post was in response to My Little Pony Killer. Perhaps you should re-read both my comment and that to which I was responding. I believe his/her exact line was "You don't think that being followed around by a stranger would have made Martin feel threatened?". I read maybe five or six comments about stalking and following before I finally commented. You chimed in that perhaps Zimmerman started the altercation. Great. I have no grounds to counter or confirm that. I dont feel like retrying the case here. No one here really seems to want justice either (except maybe you, you seem reasonable) even if we had full access to all of the evidence of the case and knew 100% what happened.

I find these stories of Zim's schadenfreude entertaining if extremely disconcerting, but it's more disconcerting that grown people can pretend to retry a case thats already over, using ad hominem and speculation, for the sole purpose of reinforcing their own righteous personal views. Everyone can pretend that they are trying to rationally persuade others but that's a laugh. It's politics on fark. Politics on Fark is a masturbatory exercise. Either one is trying to feel better about having guns or about self defense (admittedly I'm one of those people, a woman who'se been threatened before, I"d rather not get jailed by the court of public opinion should I ever have to truly defend myself) or one's trying to elevate oneself in an enlightened way over others (either as a non racist or anti gun or maybe the Farker just dont like Zim's smug acquitted face?).

Sorry if I "scolded" you, but you initiated conversation with me and used rather speculative "evidence" to answer a question I never posed. Anyway keep debating your interesting case with others. I will read intently, but unless I see something that could be a direct attack on me (like the suggestion that someone is entitled to beat me up because I walk behind them at night), I probably wont participate. I would be happy to talk about stalking because people seem loosey goosey with that word in these threads.
 
2014-02-17 08:32:16 PM  

elysive: Baz744: elysive: I really dont care if he's guilty or not just as I didnt care that much about OJ going free

Since you're so aloof to this fray, why are you in this thread?

You're spinning your wheels and apparently giving him all the attention he in his AWhoredom desires.

I rather thought I was whiling away the evening in spirited conversation about a stimulating issue of public interest.

But I say tomato, you say tomahto.

From the evidence I've seen, i think the jurors did the right thing but he could also have been guilty. Same with OJ. Mind blown? Justice is not trampling over the most fundamental safeguards of our legal system seriously did no one else take a civics class in high school?

I also feel a little bad that ppl are still obsessed with making Zim pay but as a brainless AW he isnt helping himself. These threads are like trainwrecks. Cant look away.


I think he's obsessed with making himself pay.

I have a relative who killed someone in a drunk driving wreck the day after his 19th birthday. Did 7 years in jail, and ten years probation, but continued to get arrested for various piddly shiat.

He's been in therapy now a few years, and his problems stemmed from his inability to, if not forgive himself, just live with the knowledge of what he had done.

Judging by his post-trial arrests and his foray into trying to put himself in the ring, I'd wager that there is a possibility ZImmerman subconsciously wants to punish himself.

He knows deep down that if he'd just minded his own business, someone who is not alive right now would be alive, and he wouldn't be looking over his shoulder. That can't be easy to live with.
 
2014-02-17 08:32:32 PM  
Y'all need a hobby.
 
2014-02-17 08:35:32 PM  

genner: Hobodeluxe: genner: Hobodeluxe: genner: Rhaab: Oh_Enough_Already: [im41.com image 590x421]

He wouldn't have had to defend himself if he had left the farking kid alone, like the police told him to!

It wasn't wise but following someone isn't  illegal. Beating some one up because you don't want them following you on the other hand.....

had Trayvon been packing and shot Zimmerman in the alley he could have easily gotten off on self defense. If he could have found an impartial jury.


So it's ok to shoot anyone who'se walking behind you?
Really?

a stranger following you home , in the dark,in the rain,a stranger with a gun who would not answer you when you approached his vehicle but rolled up the window and instead followed you in his vehicle and then on foot. yeah that's enough for me to say he had a reason to fear imminent danger.

If he really felt threatened he could have fled. I doubt he knew he was armed or he would have never approached him. If he did know he's an even bigger idiot than Zimmerman for starting a fist fight with an armed man.


Of course we only have Zimmerman's version of what happened right before the shooting. It is no less believable that Zimmerman cornered Martin who tried to stand his ground.
 
2014-02-17 08:36:44 PM  

Rhaab: He wouldn't have had to defend himself if he had left the farking kid alone, like the police told him to!


How many other "facts" about this case do you know nothing about?  I'd wager this is not a solitary incident.
 
2014-02-17 08:38:14 PM  

cretinbob: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 490x359]


The symbolism of "Zimmerman" written on Zimmerman and "Trayvon Martin" on Trayvon Martin eliminates the need for any words. This is truly art.

Jesus Christ that's the worst editorial cartoon I've ever seen.
 
2014-02-17 08:40:11 PM  

stoli n coke: elysive: Baz744: elysive: I really dont care if he's guilty or not just as I didnt care that much about OJ going free

Since you're so aloof to this fray, why are you in this thread?

You're spinning your wheels and apparently giving him all the attention he in his AWhoredom desires.

I rather thought I was whiling away the evening in spirited conversation about a stimulating issue of public interest.

But I say tomato, you say tomahto.

From the evidence I've seen, i think the jurors did the right thing but he could also have been guilty. Same with OJ. Mind blown? Justice is not trampling over the most fundamental safeguards of our legal system seriously did no one else take a civics class in high school?

I also feel a little bad that ppl are still obsessed with making Zim pay but as a brainless AW he isnt helping himself. These threads are like trainwrecks. Cant look away.

I think he's obsessed with making himself pay.

I have a relative who killed someone in a drunk driving wreck the day after his 19th birthday. Did 7 years in jail, and ten years probation, but continued to get arrested for various piddly shiat.

He's been in therapy now a few years, and his problems stemmed from his inability to, if not forgive himself, just live with the knowledge of what he had done.

Judging by his post-trial arrests and his foray into trying to put himself in the ring, I'd wager that there is a possibility ZImmerman subconsciously wants to punish himself.

He knows deep down that if he'd just minded his own business, someone who is not alive right now would be alive, and he wouldn't be looking over his shoulder. That can't be easy to live with.


He could always go the way of Bernard Ferrion from Boston Legal. As soon as the attention disappears, bam! Hit somebody with a frying pan!
 
2014-02-17 08:43:31 PM  
His legions of fans and Hannity are apparently not willing to give this guy any more financial support.

Get a farking job, asshole.
 
2014-02-17 08:44:02 PM  

bigpeeler:


I want this as one of those 3D-ish, moving stickers that i could make as a bumper sticker. With the words:what Republicans like to do.
 
2014-02-17 08:48:23 PM  

genner: Rhaab: Oh_Enough_Already: [im41.com image 590x421]

He wouldn't have had to defend himself if he had left the farking kid alone, like the police told him to!

It wasn't wise but following someone isn't  illegal. Beating some one up because you don't want them following you on the other hand.....


And in civilized states, shooting someone after you escalate a situation is ALSO illegal. Zimmerman stalked Martin. Martin may well have feared for his OWN life, and that's why he started hitting Zimmerman. Zimmerman escalated the situation by continuing to harass Martin. And I guarantee you he would never have said a damn thing to a white kid

As for the bullshiat about Zimmerman being "not white," It's just that- Bullshiat. He IS Hispanic... But Hispanic isn't a race, it's an ethnicity. There are white hispanics, black hispanics, and indian (Native American/ south american) Hispanics. Saying Zimmerman is not white, he's Hispanic is like saying I'm not white, I'm European.

And the bullshiat about "sizzurp" and whatever is just that: complete, fabricated bullshiat. Zimmerman MURDERED a teenager who felt threatened and tried to defend himself against some jackass who was harassing him while he was minding his own damn business.
 
2014-02-17 08:54:29 PM  

Magnanimous_J: I Browse: Zimmerman makes it sound like he encountered a completely unavoidable situation. This wasn't a traffic accident or getting struck with a bolt of lightening or something. He made choices which directly led to all of this. Can he not see that?

Personally, I think both of them were pieces of shiat in their own unique ways and I don't think the cure for cancer is going to die with either of them. But your (strangely common) comment has always baffled me. You make Martin out to be some kind of animal who couldn't be expected to keep his violent impulses at bay. Any person should be able to question a stranger in their own neighborhood without expectation of bodily harm. Does it make him an asshole? debatable, but it's victim blaming to assign guilt to Zimmerman for what was a completely lawful action. Martin taking offense to it doesn't excuse an assault, nor does it make Zimmerman's self defense any less legitimate.

"Don't get out of the car. If you do he will be forced to assault you. It's just their way, and your blood will be on your own hands."


Why did george choose not to introduce himself and ask the kid what business he had in the neighborhood when Trayvon approached his vehicle under the lights at the front of the neighborhood? Why did he choose to roll up his window then follow him through the neighborhood then on foot into a back alley in the dark with his gun instead? Why did he lie about the address as an excuse to go back there?
 
2014-02-17 08:56:43 PM  
Thank you, Libmitter. Now, be a good boy/girl and buy your nearest downtrodden negro a vest in case they attack someone.
 
2014-02-17 08:58:32 PM  
Jeez, Fark. How much milk is left in this cow?

Also, great trolltastic headline, tardmitter.
 
gja
2014-02-17 09:05:54 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Then go for the head.


There's nothing in there.....
 
2014-02-17 09:10:53 PM  

elysive: like the suggestion that someone is entitled to beat me up because I walk behind them at night


I can only assume that comment has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. No matter if you believe Zimmerman is a murderous vigilante or a saint, one thing that is undeniable is he was not just walking behind Martin. He had reported Martin to the police and was following Martin with the singular purpose of locating Martin so that he could be detained and questioned by the police for no other reason than Zimmerman's paranoia of anyone that dared to walk in his neighborhood.
 
2014-02-17 09:11:42 PM  

elysive: Baz744: elysive: Are you saying I would have been correct to turn and start a physical altercation with those people?

There's no credible evidence Trayvon started the physical altercation either. Hardly anyone thinks Trayvon was justified in turning around and randomly beating Zimmerman just for following him. Rather, the theory is that Trayvon did exactly what Zimmerman claimed to have been doing in investigating a suspicious character. A fight somehow broke out.

The thing Trayvon's defamers forget is because Zimmerman was armed with a loaded firearm, any altercation that broke out was potentially lethal for Trayvon. That means Trayvon had the right to use lethal force in his own defense; even unto the point of bashing Zimmerman's head until he lost consciousness or died.

Oh yeah. I forgot. Black kids don't have the right to defend themselves. This is America!

I was responding to the claim that being followed at night is sufficient threat to defend yourself/aka beat someone with fists.

As for the rest of your speculation about that night, I really dont care. Go find a juror and have a spirited conversation with them. I just would rather not find myself getting beaten by someone because I was walking or driving the same route as a paranoid person.


Someone follows me off a deserted street and into an alley, and I'm just supposed to assume everything is on the up and up?

I didn't get to be this old being an idiot.
 
2014-02-17 09:12:36 PM  
Zimmerman is approaching Hugo Chavez levels of comedy gold.
 
gja
2014-02-17 09:16:20 PM  

Hobodeluxe: genner: Hobodeluxe: genner: Rhaab: Oh_Enough_Already: [im41.com image 590x421]

He wouldn't have had to defend himself if he had left the farking kid alone, like the police told him to!

It wasn't wise but following someone isn't  illegal. Beating some one up because you don't want them following you on the other hand.....

had Trayvon been packing and shot Zimmerman in the alley he could have easily gotten off on self defense. If he could have found an impartial jury.


So it's ok to shoot anyone who'se walking behind you?
Really?

a stranger following you home , in the dark,in the rain,a stranger with a gun who would not answer you when you approached his vehicle but rolled up the window and instead followed you in his vehicle and then on foot. yeah that's enough for me to say he had a reason to fear imminent danger.


I have one problem with that hot mess of supposition. How the f__k would TM have know GZ had a concealed carry?
You need to stop watching so much TV.
 
2014-02-17 09:16:40 PM  

Count_0: I think we may have finally found out the identity of the Mall Ninja.


Holy shiat
 
2014-02-17 09:19:08 PM  
I just went through and ignored the dumbass gun nut racist f--ks in this thread.

In the spirit of fairness, am posting so you right wing tough guys can do the same to me.

We'll all get along better.

And I hope you all get what you deserve some day.
 
2014-02-17 09:22:17 PM  

MFAWG: elysive: Baz744: elysive: Are you saying I would have been correct to turn and start a physical altercation with those people?

There's no credible evidence Trayvon started the physical altercation either. Hardly anyone thinks Trayvon was justified in turning around and randomly beating Zimmerman just for following him. Rather, the theory is that Trayvon did exactly what Zimmerman claimed to have been doing in investigating a suspicious character. A fight somehow broke out.

The thing Trayvon's defamers forget is because Zimmerman was armed with a loaded firearm, any altercation that broke out was potentially lethal for Trayvon. That means Trayvon had the right to use lethal force in his own defense; even unto the point of bashing Zimmerman's head until he lost consciousness or died.

Oh yeah. I forgot. Black kids don't have the right to defend themselves. This is America!

I was responding to the claim that being followed at night is sufficient threat to defend yourself/aka beat someone with fists.

As for the rest of your speculation about that night, I really dont care. Go find a juror and have a spirited conversation with them. I just would rather not find myself getting beaten by someone because I was walking or driving the same route as a paranoid person.

Someone follows me off a deserted street and into an alley, and I'm just supposed to assume everything is on the up and up?

I didn't get to be this old being an idiot.


So if someone follows you into an alley (not talking about backing you up against a wall but a small street), you then attack that person and are entitled to use deadly force?

I just want clarification because I have been followed into some pretty sketchy, deserted places, and it's valuable knowledge should I be followed again. I dont want to be shot in the event they have a gun (which would make my deadly force even more justified, right?), so I will have to strike quickly.
 
2014-02-17 09:22:55 PM  
Yeah well....Trayvon Martin wouldn't have got himself shot if he'd not started pound-caking Zimmy's head into the sidewalk, "MMA-style" according to witness testimony.
 
gja
2014-02-17 09:30:38 PM  

Rhaab: Oh_Enough_Already: [im41.com image 590x421]

He wouldn't have had to defend himself if he had left the farking kid alone, like the police told him to!


Morally you are right, but that is technically NOT what was said:
"Dispatcher: Are you following him?"
"Zimmerman: Yeah"
"Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that."
"Zimmerman: Ok"

Verbatim transcript. Not a single thing changed or clarified.

A normal person would have taken the "we don't need you to do that" as "back off". But some folks have a few marks unchecked on their IQ options.
 
2014-02-17 09:33:19 PM  

NightOwl2255: elysive: like the suggestion that someone is entitled to beat me up because I walk behind them at night

I can only assume that comment has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. No matter if you believe Zimmerman is a murderous vigilante or a saint, one thing that is undeniable is he was not just walking behind Martin. He had reported Martin to the police and was following Martin with the singular purpose of locating Martin so that he could be detained and questioned by the police for no other reason than Zimmerman's paranoia of anyone that dared to walk in his neighborhood.


So he was following him to see where he went? What word other than "following" or "walking after/behind" would you like to use?

I admit that when I see people walking behind me closely or following slowly in their cars, I assume the worst of them. It's technically possible they could be walking the same route as me or they could be occupied on their phones/google maps. They could be working up confidence to ask me out or they could be checking to see if I'm "ok" (yeah, heard that one before!). Then they really could be out to hurt me. I guess it is probably safest for me to just punch them all in the throat and sort out the details later. I'm a woman, so they should know better than to follow me at night.
 
2014-02-17 09:35:22 PM  
If only there were a place where all of this could be laid out and a group of impartial people could make an informed decision based solely on the facts presented...
 
gja
2014-02-17 09:35:45 PM  

Generation_D: I just went through and ignored the dumbass gun nut racist f--ks in this thread.

In the spirit of fairness, am posting so you right wing tough guys can do the same to me.

We'll all get along better.

And I hope you all get what you deserve some day.


With an ignore list as prodigious as yours, why do you bother coming here? I am serious.
If running away or "lalalalalalala can't hear you" is how you deal with civil discourse you need to grow up a bit.
What you propose would not help anyone "get along better" but will in fact make for a form of social apartheid.
How very horrible. Let's avoid working out our differences by all means. That surely will make it a better world.
 
2014-02-17 09:49:19 PM  

elysive: Baz744: elysive: I was responding to the claim that being followed at night is sufficient threat to defend yourself/aka beat someone with fists.

That's more something you read into something someone said than anything that anyone actually claimed. You divorced a remark about how Trayvon probably felt threatened by Zimmerman following him from all the rest of the known facts, and took that as a claim that Trayvon was justified in beating Zimmerman just for following him.


From the evidence I've seen, i think the jurors did the right thing but he could also have been guilty. Same with OJ. Mind blown?

Um... no?

These threads are like trainwrecks. Cant look away.

In that case, maybe you ought to refrain from scolding other people who still find the case interesting to talk about from time to time.

My original post was in response to My Little Pony Killer. Perhaps you should re-read both my comment and that to which I was responding. I believe his/her exact line was "You don't think that being followed around by a stranger would have made Martin feel threatened?". I read maybe five or six comments about stalking and following before I finally commented. You chimed in that perhaps Zimmerman started the altercation. Great. I have no grounds to counter or confirm that. I dont feel like retrying the case here. No one here really seems to want justice either (except maybe you, you seem reasonable) even if we had full access to all of the evidence of the case and knew 100% what happened.

I find these stories of Zim's schadenfreude entertaining if extremely disconcerting, but it's more disconcerting that grown people can pretend to retry a case thats already over, using ad hominem and speculation, for the sole purpose of reinforcing their own righteous personal views. Everyone can pretend that they are trying to rationally persuade others but that's a laugh. It's politics on fark. Politics on Fark is a masturbatory exercise. Either one is trying to feel better about having guns or about self defense (admittedly I'm one of those people, a woman who'se been threatened before, I"d rather not get jailed by the court of public opinion should I ever have to truly defend myself) or one's trying to elevate oneself in an enlightened way over others (either as a non racist or anti gun or maybe the Farker just dont like Zim's smug acquitted face?).

Sorry if I "scolded" you, but you initiated conversation with me and used rather speculative "evidence" to answer a question I never posed. Anyway keep debating your interesting case with others. I will read intently, but unless I see something that could be a direct attack on me (like the suggestion that someone is entitled to beat me up because I walk behind them at night), I probably wont participate. I would be happy to talk about stalking because people seem loosey goosey with that word in these threads.


Nice to see a bit of sanity in one of these threads.

/too much anger and hate on both sides
 
2014-02-17 09:50:34 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: If only there were a place where all of this could be laid out and a group of impartial people could make an informed decision based solely on the facts presented...


Yes, but unfortunately, all we have is the court system, which was bought and paid for ages ago.
 
2014-02-17 10:02:24 PM  

elysive: MFAWG: elysive: Baz744: elysive: Are you saying I would have been correct to turn and start a physical altercation with those people?

There's no credible evidence Trayvon started the physical altercation either. Hardly anyone thinks Trayvon was justified in turning around and randomly beating Zimmerman just for following him. Rather, the theory is that Trayvon did exactly what Zimmerman claimed to have been doing in investigating a suspicious character. A fight somehow broke out.

The thing Trayvon's defamers forget is because Zimmerman was armed with a loaded firearm, any altercation that broke out was potentially lethal for Trayvon. That means Trayvon had the right to use lethal force in his own defense; even unto the point of bashing Zimmerman's head until he lost consciousness or died.

Oh yeah. I forgot. Black kids don't have the right to defend themselves. This is America!

I was responding to the claim that being followed at night is sufficient threat to defend yourself/aka beat someone with fists.

As for the rest of your speculation about that night, I really dont care. Go find a juror and have a spirited conversation with them. I just would rather not find myself getting beaten by someone because I was walking or driving the same route as a paranoid person.

Someone follows me off a deserted street and into an alley, and I'm just supposed to assume everything is on the up and up?

I didn't get to be this old being an idiot.

So if someone follows you into an alley (not talking about backing you up against a wall but a small street), you then attack that person and are entitled to use deadly force?

I just want clarification because I have been followed into some pretty sketchy, deserted places, and it's valuable knowledge should I be followed again. I dont want to be shot in the event they have a gun (which would make my deadly force even more justified, right?), so I will have to strike quickly.


Go fark yourself. You haven't been out of your moms basement after dark in 20 years.
 
2014-02-17 10:02:27 PM  

IlGreven: PhiloeBedoe: If only there were a place where all of this could be laid out and a group of impartial people could make an informed decision based solely on the facts presented...

Yes, but unfortunately, all we have is the court system, which was bought and paid for ages ago.


Out of curiousity, which facts would you have presented that the prosecution missed? Other than the fact that you really, really wanted George Zimmerman to be guilty...
 
2014-02-17 10:16:04 PM  

Greek: genner: Rhaab: Oh_Enough_Already: [im41.com image 590x421]

He wouldn't have had to defend himself if he had left the farking kid alone, like the police told him to!

It wasn't wise but following someone isn't  illegal. Beating some one up because you don't want them following you on the other hand.....

And in civilized states, shooting someone after you escalate a situation is ALSO illegal. Zimmerman stalked Martin. Martin may well have feared for his OWN life, and that's why he started hitting Zimmerman. Zimmerman escalated the situation by continuing to harass Martin. And I guarantee you he would never have said a damn thing to a white kid

As for the bullshiat about Zimmerman being "not white," It's just that- Bullshiat. He IS Hispanic... But Hispanic isn't a race, it's an ethnicity. There are white hispanics, black hispanics, and indian (Native American/ south american) Hispanics. Saying Zimmerman is not white, he's Hispanic is like saying I'm not white, I'm European.

And the bullshiat about "sizzurp" and whatever is just that: complete, fabricated bullshiat. Zimmerman MURDERED a teenager who felt threatened and tried to defend himself against some jackass who was harassing him while he was minding his own damn business.


Defended?
Do you believe Zimeran attacked first or do you believe Teyvon was justified in a preemptive strike?

There's no evidence for the first and no justification for the second. You don't get to beat someone up for being a racist jerk.
 
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