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2014-02-17 03:57:44 PM  
My wife had one of those family heirlooms we were going to use as an engagement ring.  Until we found out that it was just cheap costume jewelry.  She then made the choice to forgo a real one for more money in the bank.

She doesn't have many diamonds, but she loves her Swarovski crystals.
 
2014-02-17 04:00:45 PM  

MugzyBrown: Rapmaster2000: moefuggenbrew: Again though, can a woman answer this - why would you be pissed if you found out your ring was CZ (how do u even know it isn't) instead of a diamond?

It's still the same ring you were perfectly happy with yesterday correct?

The answer to this is going to be yes.  We both know this.  You can argue the semantics of whether this is "logical" or not, but it's generally accepted that misrepresenting yourself (and getting caught) is a big no-no with the ladies.

I should be perfectly happy if somebody sells me a Sony TV with Magnetbox insides, as long as I was happy before I found out.


Sony prefers to use Sharp and Samsung manufactured panels.  Wait, they stopped using Sharp in 2012, my bad.  LG is in as their supplier now.
 
2014-02-17 04:04:22 PM  

Kome: There are other ways that require some technically sophisticated equipment and a bit of a geology background, but it's in principle not very difficult to determine whether a stone is or is not a diamond, though narrowing down exactly what it is if it isn't a diamond is slightly trickier.


You left out the most reliable test, that a diamond conducts heat better than any other material (except a diamond made from the pure Carbon-12 isotope separated from the other stable C-13 isotope).  Heat sensor touching one side, something hot on the other. Not so sophisticated.
 
2014-02-17 04:08:51 PM  

moefuggenbrew: Again though, can a woman answer this - why would you be pissed if you found out your ring was CZ (how do u even know it isn't) instead of a diamond?

It's still the same ring you were perfectly happy with yesterday correct?


I'd actually be happier that a lot of money wasn't wasted... assuming that HE knew it was not a diamond and therefore did not pay diamond prices. However, I will agree with Kraftwerk Orange that Moissonite tends to be prettier.

But.... I very rarely wear jewelry, so it's not a big deal to me. I wear a silver thumb ring that I picked up in Chicago about 15 years ago and a necklace (right now a St. Joseph medallion). I have a diamond pendant (it was a gift from my dad to my mom), but I don't wear it. I had it appraised for insurance purposes and now I'm petrified to wear it. It's a little to bling for my taste anyway.
 
2014-02-17 04:14:38 PM  
I worked for a big jewelry wholesaler and had access to their database of 50,000+ items which included manufacturer price, wholesale price, and MSRP.

As an example: The manufacturer makes a diamond ring and sells it to the wholesaler for $50. The wholesaler sells it to the retail store for $100. The retail store marks that ring for sale to you at $300-350. Why such a high retail markup? So they can offer you 20-50% off so you feel like you are getting a deal but they are still making a profit.

I think seeing the manufacturer prices really convinced me that jewelry is way overpriced.
 
2014-02-17 04:16:51 PM  

Helmsly: I worked for a big jewelry wholesaler and had access to their database of 50,000+ items which included manufacturer price, wholesale price, and MSRP.

As an example: The manufacturer makes a diamond ring and sells it to the wholesaler for $50. The wholesaler sells it to the retail store for $100. The retail store marks that ring for sale to you at $300-350. Why such a high retail markup? So they can offer you 20-50% off so you feel like you are getting a deal but they are still making a profit.

I think seeing the manufacturer prices really convinced me that jewelry is way overpriced.


For your own sanity, don't ever consider how expensive it is to make a pizza vs its selling price.
 
2014-02-17 04:20:08 PM  
My wife never liked diamonds. I recently gave her something else made of carbon:
www.cervelo.com

A small diamond ring would have been less expensive, but she really enjoys this.
 
2014-02-17 04:22:56 PM  

Atomic Spunk: A small diamond ring would have been less expensive, but she really enjoys this.


Never let her go.
 
2014-02-17 04:26:24 PM  
Just buy one off Craigslist from a pissed-off divorcee.
 
2014-02-17 04:28:29 PM  

m3000: From TFA: <i>A diamond is a depreciating asset masquerading as an investment.  </A>

Who the hell buys a diamond for investment purposes?

How about buying them because they're the prettiest jewel?


I guess that depends on what one considers the prettiest jewel. For me, it's probably the star sapphire.

/if you GIS star sapphire without specifying stone, you gets lots of cosplay and comic pics.
 
2014-02-17 04:49:44 PM  
Why does anyone still buy real diamonds?  Even aside from the ethical concerns, the lab created diamonds are mostly better quality and way cheaper.  Hell, they have to put a micro-etching on lab created diamonds so that jewelers can distinguish them from utterly perfect natural diamonds (how's that for exercising some cartel muscle - fark debeers)

My wife's engagement ring (2+ carats of lab created diamonds) looks like something a Kardashian would wear but cost less than $2K (I think - its been 5 years. definitely less than $3K, though)
 
2014-02-17 04:56:51 PM  

OptionC: Why does anyone still buy real diamonds?  Even aside from the ethical concerns, the lab created diamonds are mostly better quality and way cheaper.  Hell, they have to put a micro-etching on lab created diamonds so that jewelers can distinguish them from utterly perfect natural diamonds (how's that for exercising some cartel muscle - fark debeers)

My wife's engagement ring (2+ carats of lab created diamonds) looks like something a Kardashian would wear but cost less than $2K (I think - its been 5 years. definitely less than $3K, though)


really?
link please ... cause I am curious ....
 
2014-02-17 05:05:04 PM  
DeBeers doesn't have full control over the world diamond market anymore.
 
2014-02-17 05:18:29 PM  

namatad: OptionC: Why does anyone still buy real diamonds?  Even aside from the ethical concerns, the lab created diamonds are mostly better quality and way cheaper.  Hell, they have to put a micro-etching on lab created diamonds so that jewelers can distinguish them from utterly perfect natural diamonds (how's that for exercising some cartel muscle - fark debeers)

My wife's engagement ring (2+ carats of lab created diamonds) looks like something a Kardashian would wear but cost less than $2K (I think - its been 5 years. definitely less than $3K, though)

really?
link please ... cause I am curious ....


I can't find the exact model I got for my wife on their website, but something along the lines of this.  If you fiddle with the menus, a 1.45 carat center stone plus 2 carats total of other diamonds is $2K.

Chemically, the stones are different than diamonds, but the optics and hardness are so dead on that a jeweler wouldn't be able to tell the difference without the etching (except that it was maybe too perfect).
 
2014-02-17 05:29:09 PM  

OptionC: namatad: OptionC: Why does anyone still buy real diamonds?  Even aside from the ethical concerns, the lab created diamonds are mostly better quality and way cheaper.  Hell, they have to put a micro-etching on lab created diamonds so that jewelers can distinguish them from utterly perfect natural diamonds (how's that for exercising some cartel muscle - fark debeers)

My wife's engagement ring (2+ carats of lab created diamonds) looks like something a Kardashian would wear but cost less than $2K (I think - its been 5 years. definitely less than $3K, though)

really?
link please ... cause I am curious ....

I can't find the exact model I got for my wife on their website, but something along the lines of this.  If you fiddle with the menus, a 1.45 carat center stone plus 2 carats total of other diamonds is $2K.

Chemically, the stones are different than diamonds, but the optics and hardness are so dead on that a jeweler wouldn't be able to tell the difference without the etching (except that it was maybe too perfect).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_simulant 

meh - not actually a synthetic diamond ... 
and yah, billions cheaper than a "REAL NATURAL" diamond ....
 
2014-02-17 05:38:29 PM  
as someone said in some movie that i watched recently.

if you think diamonds have so much value, try reselling one.
 
2014-02-17 05:42:08 PM  

namatad: OptionC: namatad: OptionC: Why does anyone still buy real diamonds?  Even aside from the ethical concerns, the lab created diamonds are mostly better quality and way cheaper.  Hell, they have to put a micro-etching on lab created diamonds so that jewelers can distinguish them from utterly perfect natural diamonds (how's that for exercising some cartel muscle - fark debeers)

My wife's engagement ring (2+ carats of lab created diamonds) looks like something a Kardashian would wear but cost less than $2K (I think - its been 5 years. definitely less than $3K, though)

really?
link please ... cause I am curious ....

I can't find the exact model I got for my wife on their website, but something along the lines of this.  If you fiddle with the menus, a 1.45 carat center stone plus 2 carats total of other diamonds is $2K.

Chemically, the stones are different than diamonds, but the optics and hardness are so dead on that a jeweler wouldn't be able to tell the difference without the etching (except that it was maybe too perfect).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_simulant 

meh - not actually a synthetic diamond ... 
and yah, billions cheaper than a "REAL NATURAL" diamond ....


When the simulant is indistinguishable from a natural stone without doing a chemistry test, does it really make a difference?
 
2014-02-17 06:18:43 PM  
Who is this article trying to convince?

"Honey, I read today that diamonds are bullshiat.  So I'm not getting you one.  No matter how much you want it.  Because what you want is bullshiat.  Now, lets go get hitched, you crazy broad."
 
2014-02-17 06:20:17 PM  
OptionC:
When the simulant is indistinguishable from a natural stone without doing a chemistry test, does it really make a difference?

Does to the chumps wanting "real" diamonds.
 
2014-02-17 06:22:12 PM  

Rapmaster2000: What's saddest is the giant, ugly stones you see so frequently.  Don't these girls realize that their 1 carat dirty cloud isn't a good quality diamond?


Size matters.

It matters most.
 
2014-02-17 06:32:49 PM  

pute kisses like a man: as someone said in some movie that i watched recently.

if you think diamonds have so much value, try reselling one.


If that's really the case why are you guys biatching about diamonds? You can get one off CL for pennies on the dollar.
 
2014-02-17 06:38:38 PM  

valkore: moefuggenbrew: Value is such a vague word ... something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.

What I was getting at in my OP was that hubby bought it knowing it was CZ and just told her it was a diamond... thus her "diamond" would not have actually lost any value when she found out it was CZ.
If you think it has less value just because it costs less money you are superficial.

So if that was the case, why would the husband-to-be willingly lie to his wife-to-be when presenting the ring?  That says a lot more about the relationship (and specifically the husband) than it does the ring.


I love how enjoying my engagement ring turned into a debate whether or not I would be happy with a CZ. If my husband lied about the value of a gift in a really big way to get me to legally tie myself to him, we have more problems than just a ring. If he honestly said "diamond ring or family home and a CZ ring?" there would be no issue. I think most women who love their men would feel the same way.

White sapphires aren't as brilliant. White topaz is soft. Moissonite is sparklier and hard like diamonds, but they sometimes have a bit of tinge to them. Finally, cubic zirconia turns cloudy once its treatments wear off. I have other jewelry with most of these stones too. All of my diamonds are natural, but I wouldn't be opposed to lab created diamonds. The good ones are just as expensive as natural diamonds anyway.

The reason the diamond and platinum rings are popular is because it's more difficult to scratch or chip a diamond (though that can happen), and wedding sets are commonly worn throughout the day. Platinum can be polished as many times as you want without losing any metal. Emeralds are stunning, but they are soft and can get damaged with frequent use.

Most women aren't tricked into wanting a diamond, just like a lot of guys aren't tricked into wanting a motorcycle or a boat. It's a personal choice and there is nothing wrong with choosing a diamond ring (I prefer Canadian mined diamonds, btw) if you can afford it. Big emphasis on if you can afford it. A diamond isn't a NEED. It's a nice-to-have!
 
2014-02-17 06:41:48 PM  

MintyBurns: It's a personal choice


I think the idea is that your personal choice is wrong.  Wrong wrong wrong bullshiat wrong.

Try reading that helpful article, I'm sure it will change your mind.  No?

You still like diamonds?

Well, either that is a shiatty article, or you are a terrible human being.  Maybe both.
 
2014-02-17 06:44:04 PM  

WickerNipple: OptionC:
When the simulant is indistinguishable from a natural stone without doing a chemistry test, does it really make a difference?

Does to the chumps wanting "real" diamonds.


Yeah or why would somebody want a real watch when a $10 one will keep time just as accurately? Chumps. Why would somebody buy Blanton's when JD will get you just as drunk? Chumps.
 
2014-02-17 06:59:03 PM  

relaxitsjustme: WickerNipple: OptionC:
When the simulant is indistinguishable from a natural stone without doing a chemistry test, does it really make a difference?

Does to the chumps wanting "real" diamonds.

Yeah or why would somebody want a real watch when a $10 one will keep time just as accurately? Chumps. Why would somebody buy Blanton's when JD will get you just as drunk? Chumps.


The better analogy to lab diamonds are the very good, several-hundred-dollar knock-off Rolexes that are mechanically and visually indistinguishable from the real ones.  It's a lot harder to justify buying the genuine article at 5x the price when the quality knock off is available, and would be even more so if the real watch maker hacked the arms off of children as part of its production process.
 
2014-02-17 07:06:23 PM  

sendtodave: MintyBurns: It's a personal choice

I think the idea is that your personal choice is wrong.  Wrong wrong wrong bullshiat wrong.

Try reading that helpful article, I'm sure it will change your mind.  No?

You still like diamonds?

Well, either that is a shiatty article, or you are a terrible human being.  Maybe both.


Some people like the way diamonds look, even outside their learned cultural habits.  They're bright and sparkley, and that's all they need to know.  I think it's kind of sad that our historical obsession with diamonds courtesy of De Beers et al has crowded out people's personal preferences in what they might find more personally pleasing in a ring.

This doesn't get into the whole concept of rings in regards to signaling matrimony, but that's another discussion entirely.

/Personally I think diamonds are kinda boring, I like brightly colored things better.
 
2014-02-17 07:08:47 PM  

OptionC: relaxitsjustme: WickerNipple: OptionC:
When the simulant is indistinguishable from a natural stone without doing a chemistry test, does it really make a difference?

Does to the chumps wanting "real" diamonds.

Yeah or why would somebody want a real watch when a $10 one will keep time just as accurately? Chumps. Why would somebody buy Blanton's when JD will get you just as drunk? Chumps.

The better analogy to lab diamonds are the very good, several-hundred-dollar knock-off Rolexes that are mechanically and visually indistinguishable from the real ones.  It's a lot harder to justify buying the genuine article at 5x the price when the quality knock off is available, and would be even more so if the real watch maker hacked the arms off of children as part of its production process.


And it has nothing to do with how well it keeps time.

People want to by the genuine article because it is the genuine article.   Because it is five times the price.  Because you deserve expensive things, things that you can show off!

And, with diamonds, of course, your fiancee deserves expensive things that she can show off even more, so you really should sacrifice to get them for her!

If the fake Rolexes or fake diamonds cost as much as the real thing, maybe they'd be worth something.
 
2014-02-17 07:27:20 PM  

MintyBurns: It's a personal choice and there is nothing wrong with choosing a diamond ring (I prefer Canadian mined diamonds, btw)


I personally feel that a diamond isn't valuable unless you bathe in the blood of a litter of puppies first, then load it in a gun and fire it through the skulls of 13 orphans, next use it to scratch a pentagram on the forehead of a lithe virgin before sacrificing her to the elder gods, and finally it must be attached around the neck of a Persian cat tied to a bumper and dragged around the block of the location where you plan to pop the question for three miles.

Then, and ONLY THEN.... is the diamond truly worth something.
 
2014-02-17 07:51:44 PM  
For those who prefer their diamond exposes in humorous video format instead of pretentious Huffpo TLDR:
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6952792/why-engagement-rings-are-a- s cam
 
2014-02-17 08:00:37 PM  
Mrs 'saur doesn't care for diamonds or gold.  Sterling and Peridot FTW!
 
2014-02-17 08:37:20 PM  

MintyBurns: If he honestly said "diamond ring or family home and a CZ ring?" there would be no issue.

 
2014-02-17 10:01:35 PM  
Might as well strap a clod of dirt to your finger, as far as I'm concerned. I never understood the appeal and I find them valueless.  Thank goodness my husband listened when I said I don't like diamonds.  I'm not really a jewelry person though and I guess I lack the bird brained "ooh shiny" when it comes to it.
 
2014-02-17 10:25:56 PM  

gadian: I'm not really a jewelry person though and I guess I lack the bird brained "ooh shiny" when it comes to it.


I very much have an "ooh shiny" mentality. I've been collecting gems and precious stones since I was a little boy. Now as an adult with a decent paying job, I can more or less fund such a hobby on my own. But, I have accepted such gifts from friends and family who know I have an interest in them, and I have given some as gifts occasionally over the years. We all have our things, whether it's model trains or paintings or gemstone collections or whatever. No shame in liking or disliking or indifference.
 
2014-02-17 11:11:43 PM  
So here is a modest proposal: Let's agree that diamonds are bullshiat and reject their role in the marriage process

Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2014-02-17 11:28:35 PM  
m3000: How about buying them because they're the prettiest jewel?

they are inferior to black opal
 
2014-02-18 05:58:53 AM  

vudukungfu: What's appalling is how many urban sisters need the bling on the ring thing.


Across the board it's appalling. They're falling for the same con as the rest of them.
 
2014-02-18 12:35:22 PM  
I gave the wife a diamond, but only because the stone had been a hand-down through the family. Its not even the best rock, but that isnt where the value is.

Had i not had that, i would have gone with something different (likely not a stone of any type).

/our wedding bands are rosewood.
 
2014-02-18 02:11:45 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: Yeah, tricking women into buying diamonds is totally the worst con ever invented by corporations

It's the men doing the buying.  And everything you mentioned has some utility, unlike diamonds, which are worn solely for status.


This women in the offices I'm at are often cooing over the new engagement ring to a girls face and then cutting her down out of earshot.
 
2014-02-18 07:28:44 PM  
LemSkroob: /our wedding bands are rosewood.

oh, I bet that looks nice.

also, if I could find a woman who would appreciate the Ring of Barahir, marriage would be just fine by me.
 
2014-02-18 08:09:28 PM  
Diamonds?  Bah.  I'd much rather have a good quality gem of this variety:


img.fark.net

Much more interesting to look at.  Sadly, I am foreveralone, so I'll have to buy my own bling.
 
2014-02-18 09:20:46 PM  
Are there people who don't already know this?
Never bought a diamond. Never will
 
2014-02-18 11:41:07 PM  
This article forgot to mention that  marriage and weddings are bullshiat too.

In fact, pretty much everything women want in a romantic relationship is total bullshiat that only ends up costing men money.  Alas, we spend it anyway because we want the sex.

So goes the world.
 
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