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2014-02-17 01:07:44 PM  
The biggest advertising con ever concocted (mostly for Americans) is the idea that diamonds are rare and valuable.
 
2014-02-17 01:14:25 PM  
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2014-02-17 01:20:31 PM  
What's appalling is how many urban sisters need the bling on the ring thing.
 
2014-02-17 01:44:57 PM  
Women are shallow, men are stupid.
 
2014-02-17 01:46:55 PM  
This article confirms all my suspicions and prejudices and so I will accept it as fact.

It is shocking to see such a difference in the level of writing at HuffPo between this article and the "Marriage Counseling" turd that I read there earlier.
 
2014-02-17 01:47:17 PM  

shanrick: The biggest advertising con ever concocted (mostly for Americans) is the idea that diamonds are rare and valuable.


I thought it was that Starbucks coffee is worth 5 bucks. Or that Hershey's makes chocolate. Or that 59 ounces of OJ is the same as 64 ounces of OJ as long as it's in the same package. Or that adding air to a bag of chips makes it weigh more. Or that a pint of Haagen Daaz now equals 14 ounces. Or that buying 8 oz cans of Coke is healthier and more inexpensive.

Hey but cows can produce twice as much as 50 years ago, so that's probably healthy drink some more. So is the addition of soybean oil and HFCS to everything you eat. Don't worry if it's less than 0.5g of transfats it's still fine.

85% ethanol is totally environmental though. And coal is now clean. Wind and solar are terrible because they kill a few birds, so let's completely forget about that coal ash leeching into your water supply because that would kill jobs.

Oh you stopped eating HFCS and replaced it with cane sugar? Good for you, you can eat more of this regular sugar which is in everything you eat and still terrible for you. This organic agave nectar is totally different.

What? You got cancer because of all that sugar and a combination of environmental factors? Don't worry we have tons of drugs now, I mean sure there are side effects like death, and they cost indescribable amounts of money and you'll have to go to an oncologist for the rest of your life. But hey! Life, sweet life.

I'm glad you avoided those blood diamonds though. Here, have some dark chocolate made by child slave labor, it's healthy for you! Oh it looks like you got some on your Gap shirt and pants made by child slave labor. Here let me put some antibiotic soap on it while you answer your phone laden with parts mined from child slave labor.

Yeah, tricking women into buying diamonds is totally the worst con ever invented by corporations.

Everything depreciates when you try to resell it years later. Clothes, appliances, cars, cell phones, toys, computers, furniture, 99% of art. Most houses in most areas at best stay at market price when you factor in inflation.

/just sayin.
 
2014-02-17 01:53:17 PM  
If you find a girl who doesn't want a diamond ring for your engagement hold onto her! Never let her go!

Unless its been a month, in which case let go of your pillow and put it in the wash.
 
2014-02-17 02:02:49 PM  

bdub77: Yeah, tricking women into buying diamonds is totally the worst con ever invented by corporations


It's the men doing the buying.  And everything you mentioned has some utility, unlike diamonds, which are worn solely for status.
 
2014-02-17 02:05:10 PM  

bdub77: Everything depreciates when you try to resell it years later


Except for diamonds, of course, because diamonds are forever.
 
2014-02-17 02:12:15 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: Yeah, tricking women into buying diamonds is totally the worst con ever invented by corporations

It's the men doing the buying.  And everything you mentioned has some utility, unlike diamonds, which are worn solely for status.


Clothes certainly have utility, but many are bought and worn for status. Many cars are bought for status. In China, cell phones and tablets are a status symbol. Art rarely has any 'utility' in the basic sense. In fact jewelry is in many ways an extension of the art world.

And again, things depreciate after they are bought, whether they have utility or not. Anyone who buys a diamond expecting it to appreciate is an idiot.
 
2014-02-17 02:14:25 PM  

hervatski: If you find a girl who doesn't want a diamond ring for your engagement hold onto her! Never let her go!

Unless its been a month, in which case let go of your pillow and put it in the wash.


I didn't want an engagement ring. for years i dodged my hisband's attempts to get me one. "if you have enough money for a diamond ring, you have enough money to make a downpayment on a house" i would say. "don't get me a diamond, I'll never wear it" I said. years later, we had the house and the retirement plans and decent savings and yet again he insisted on getting me a diamond ring. fine. i picked out a modest ring with 3 stones, but now he gets all pouty when i don't wear it.

I swear...do men ever listen?
 
2014-02-17 02:19:29 PM  

Ambivalence: hervatski: If you find a girl who doesn't want a diamond ring for your engagement hold onto her! Never let her go!

Unless its been a month, in which case let go of your pillow and put it in the wash.

I didn't want an engagement ring. for years i dodged my hisband's attempts to get me one. "if you have enough money for a diamond ring, you have enough money to make a downpayment on a house" i would say. "don't get me a diamond, I'll never wear it" I said. years later, we had the house and the retirement plans and decent savings and yet again he insisted on getting me a diamond ring. fine. i picked out a modest ring with 3 stones, but now he gets all pouty when i don't wear it.

I swear...do men ever listen?


We do. Just mostly to other guys saying "she says she doesn't want it, but she really does."

It's kind of an issue that our gender has dealing with your gender, which sucks.
 
2014-02-17 02:41:48 PM  
bdub77: words.

Sorry. I should have said one of the biggest cons. Since you didn't say that diamonds are indeed rare and valuable, I'll take that as an agreement.
 
2014-02-17 02:47:28 PM  
From TFA: <i>A diamond is a depreciating asset masquerading as an investment.  </A>

Who the hell buys a diamond for investment purposes?

How about buying them because they're the prettiest jewel?
 
2014-02-17 02:54:17 PM  

Ambivalence: "if you have enough money for a diamond ring, you have enough money to make a downpayment on a house"


You can buy small diamond rings. I got my wife a ring for around $600 back in 2007ish. Three diamonds, maybe 1/2 carat total. The diamonds weren't graded, so I spent a weekend going to all of the local jewelers, looking at their ungraded diamonds, and picking out the rings that looked the best. (Who ever actually cares about the grading? The vast majority of the time you're only going to be looking at the thing, so the important part is that it should look good.)

She likes it smaller because the stones don't protrude or get caught on things, and she would also be terrified of loosing it were she to walk around with a $2000+ ring on her hand.
 
2014-02-17 02:57:47 PM  
This article sucks. It's just commenting on and block quoting a 30 year old article from the Atlantic that has been floating around the internet since myspace was a thing. Go do your own reporting, you hack.
 
2014-02-17 02:58:05 PM  
Mrs. Smurf's engagement ring is a ruby set in a heart shaped setting.  Together with the alternating ruby and diamond wedding band it draws a lot more praise than any diamond could regardless of size.

Moral of the CSB:
Peer pressure is for losers.  Do what makes you happy
 
2014-02-17 03:04:06 PM  

bdub77: shanrick: The biggest advertising con ever concocted (mostly for Americans) is the idea that diamonds are rare and valuable.

I thought it was that Starbucks coffee is worth 5 bucks. Or that Hershey's makes chocolate. Or that 59 ounces of OJ is the same as 64 ounces of OJ as long as it's in the same package. Or that adding air to a bag of chips makes it weigh more. Or that a pint of Haagen Daaz now equals 14 ounces. Or that buying 8 oz cans of Coke is healthier and more inexpensive.

Hey but cows can produce twice as much as 50 years ago, so that's probably healthy drink some more. So is the addition of soybean oil and HFCS to everything you eat. Don't worry if it's less than 0.5g of transfats it's still fine.

85% ethanol is totally environmental though. And coal is now clean. Wind and solar are terrible because they kill a few birds, so let's completely forget about that coal ash leeching into your water supply because that would kill jobs.

Oh you stopped eating HFCS and replaced it with cane sugar? Good for you, you can eat more of this regular sugar which is in everything you eat and still terrible for you. This organic agave nectar is totally different.

What? You got cancer because of all that sugar and a combination of environmental factors? Don't worry we have tons of drugs now, I mean sure there are side effects like death, and they cost indescribable amounts of money and you'll have to go to an oncologist for the rest of your life. But hey! Life, sweet life.

I'm glad you avoided those blood diamonds though. Here, have some dark chocolate made by child slave labor, it's healthy for you! Oh it looks like you got some on your Gap shirt and pants made by child slave labor. Here let me put some antibiotic soap on it while you answer your phone laden with parts mined from child slave labor.

Yeah, tricking women into buying diamonds is totally the worst con ever invented by corporations.

Everything depreciates when you try to resell it years later. Clothes, a ...


TL;DR:  Everyone is horrible.
 
2014-02-17 03:05:32 PM  

m3000: From TFA: <i>A diamond is a depreciating asset masquerading as an investment.  </A>

Who the hell buys a diamond for investment purposes?

How about buying them because they're the prettiest jewel?


Moissanite is arguably prettier.

www.moissanitevsdiamondrings.com

That said, Mrs. Orange is very pleased with her vintage estate diamond.  As the article points out, the secondary market for diamonds is pennies on the dollar, making older diamonds a screaming deal.
 
2014-02-17 03:09:12 PM  

Fubini: Ambivalence: "if you have enough money for a diamond ring, you have enough money to make a downpayment on a house"

You can buy small diamond rings. I got my wife a ring for around $600 back in 2007ish. Three diamonds, maybe 1/2 carat total. The diamonds weren't graded, so I spent a weekend going to all of the local jewelers, looking at their ungraded diamonds, and picking out the rings that looked the best. (Who ever actually cares about the grading? The vast majority of the time you're only going to be looking at the thing, so the important part is that it should look good.)

She likes it smaller because the stones don't protrude or get caught on things, and she would also be terrified of loosing it were she to walk around with a $2000+ ring on her hand.


That's one of the reasons I don't wear my ring. I don't have much self awareness when it comes to my hands. I have rabbits (and deal with rabbit shiat), I (try to) garden, I don't modify my behavior based on the jewelry I'm wearing because I wear so little. Easier to just not wear it than worry I'll scratch the finish on the metal or knock a stone loose.
 
2014-02-17 03:10:34 PM  

shanrick: The biggest advertising con ever concocted (mostly for Americans) is the idea that diamonds are rare and valuable.


Try and buy one.
 
2014-02-17 03:11:48 PM  
I'm just going to own it. I have a very nice diamond engagement ring and I enjoy wearing it.

I'm a girly girl and I like pretty things. The nice thing about a ring (compared to say, earrings) is that I can just look down at my hand to admire it.

It's the man (or woman, NTTAWWT) you're marrying that really matters. But if a couple can afford a nice diamond ring and that's something that will make them happy, I don't believe it is a stupid purchase. The ring is just a bonus!
 
2014-02-17 03:15:18 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: Yeah, tricking women into buying diamonds is totally the worst con ever invented by corporations

It's the men doing the buying.  And everything you mentioned has some utility, unlike diamonds, which are worn solely for status.


So what. Lots of things are done solely for status but for whatever reason we don't get a fark thread on them every 6 months.
 
2014-02-17 03:16:49 PM  

MintyBurns: I'm just going to own it. I have a very nice diamond engagement ring and I enjoy wearing it.

I'm a girly girl and I like pretty things. The nice thing about a ring (compared to say, earrings) is that I can just look down at my hand to admire it.

It's the man (or woman, NTTAWWT) you're marrying that really matters. But if a couple can afford a nice diamond ring and that's something that will make them happy, I don't believe it is a stupid purchase. The ring is just a bonus!


Would you like it just as much if you found out it was Cubic Zirconia? It would still look pretty and shiny, but I have a feeling you would be PISSED at hubby - the question then becomes...why?
 
2014-02-17 03:22:39 PM  

moefuggenbrew: the question then becomes...why?


because no humans where actually harmed.
 
2014-02-17 03:22:52 PM  
I thought women = jewelry was a holdover from the days when women weren't allowed to own assets (houses, property/real-estate, etc.) so that if something unfortunate happened to the male provider, she would have jewelry available to sell to get by until she found another male provider or was married off to her husband's brother.
 
2014-02-17 03:23:26 PM  

moefuggenbrew: MintyBurns: I'm just going to own it. I have a very nice diamond engagement ring and I enjoy wearing it.

I'm a girly girl and I like pretty things. The nice thing about a ring (compared to say, earrings) is that I can just look down at my hand to admire it.

It's the man (or woman, NTTAWWT) you're marrying that really matters. But if a couple can afford a nice diamond ring and that's something that will make them happy, I don't believe it is a stupid purchase. The ring is just a bonus!

Would you like it just as much if you found out it was Cubic Zirconia? It would still look pretty and shiny, but I have a feeling you would be PISSED at hubby - the question then becomes...why?


Because CZ isn't as valuable duh. Would you be pissed if you found out a family antique oak desk was really a fake built in the 50's and distressed to look 100+ years old? Why?
 
2014-02-17 03:24:50 PM  

relaxitsjustme: Would you be pissed if you found out a family antique oak desk was really a fake built in the 50's and distressed to look 100+ years old?


No, I wouldn't be.

Because it still looks like it did the day before and still holds my farking computer monitor.
 
2014-02-17 03:25:00 PM  

vudukungfu: moefuggenbrew: the question then becomes...why?

because no humans where actually harmed.


Except the one who was lied to by somebody she cares about and trusted.
 
2014-02-17 03:27:01 PM  

moefuggenbrew: relaxitsjustme: Would you be pissed if you found out a family antique oak desk was really a fake built in the 50's and distressed to look 100+ years old?

No, I wouldn't be.

Because it still looks like it did the day before and still holds my farking computer monitor.


Way to snip the most important part of my answer so I'll repeat it: Because it isn't as valuable.
 
2014-02-17 03:32:57 PM  

relaxitsjustme: Way to snip the most important part of my answer so I'll repeat it: Because it isn't as valuable.


Value is such a vague word ... something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.

What I was getting at in my OP was that hubby bought it knowing it was CZ and just told her it was a diamond... thus her "diamond" would not have actually lost any value when she found out it was CZ.
If you think it has less value just because it costs less money you are superficial.
 
2014-02-17 03:33:59 PM  

relaxitsjustme: moefuggenbrew: relaxitsjustme: Would you be pissed if you found out a family antique oak desk was really a fake built in the 50's and distressed to look 100+ years old?

No, I wouldn't be.

Because it still looks like it did the day before and still holds my farking computer monitor.

Way to snip the most important part of my answer so I'll repeat it: Because it isn't as valuable.


Do you like your family furniture solely for its value? I'll take function anyday.
 
2014-02-17 03:34:07 PM  

vudukungfu: What's appalling is how many urban sisters need the bling on the ring thing.


666egdy5me
 
2014-02-17 03:34:22 PM  
What's saddest is the giant, ugly stones you see so frequently.  Don't these girls realize that their 1 carat dirty cloud isn't a good quality diamond?
 
2014-02-17 03:36:24 PM  

relaxitsjustme: shanrick: The biggest advertising con ever concocted (mostly for Americans) is the idea that diamonds are rare and valuable.

Try and buy one.


They certainly aren't rare, I can go to jewelry stores all over town that have hundreds, if not thousands to choose from.  I don't live in a particularly large city.  As far as your second assertion, there's a huge difference between "valuable" and "expensive".  Diamonds may be expensive to buy at retail, but outside industrial abrasives, they don't have any particular value.
 
2014-02-17 03:36:41 PM  
Okay, so diamonds are bullshiat.  However, if you're a man planning on getting married to a woman in Western culture, know you're going to be buying one.  It's ingrained in our culture.  Just accept it.  Even if when things start getting serious and she says she doesn't want one.  She does.  Don't be the assclown that comes up empty handed, or worse yet, tries to pawn off a fake rock as a real one.  She will find out.

Grouse all you want to your buddies on how many 12-packs of Bud Ice this is costing you.  Post the same comment on the same article on Fark for the 27th time in a row.  Then suck it up and go ring shopping with her.
 
2014-02-17 03:38:09 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: m3000: From TFA: <i>A diamond is a depreciating asset masquerading as an investment.  </A>

Who the hell buys a diamond for investment purposes?

How about buying them because they're the prettiest jewel?

Moissanite is arguably prettier.

[www.moissanitevsdiamondrings.com image 600x553]

That said, Mrs. Orange is very pleased with her vintage estate diamond.  As the article points out, the secondary market for diamonds is pennies on the dollar, making older diamonds a screaming deal.


Yeah, my grandmother gave me an old diamond for my wife's ring - it was a european cut, and the jewler though it was pretty cool. I like that it has a story rather than "I got it at the mall"
 
2014-02-17 03:38:30 PM  
What makes something bullshiat or not worth its cost?  Each individual consumer.

Not everything is bought as a tool to make money or as an investment, sometimes people just like stuff for their own reasons.
 
2014-02-17 03:40:37 PM  
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2014-02-17 03:40:48 PM  

relaxitsjustme: vudukungfu: moefuggenbrew: the question then becomes...why?

because no humans where actually harmed.

Except the one who was lied to by somebody she cares about and trusted.


Yes, and she never lies to him about anything, certainly not late night headaches...

His lie just gave their future kid $5k more for whatever
 
2014-02-17 03:41:30 PM  

moefuggenbrew: Value is such a vague word ... something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.

What I was getting at in my OP was that hubby bought it knowing it was CZ and just told her it was a diamond... thus her "diamond" would not have actually lost any value when she found out it was CZ.
If you think it has less value just because it costs less money you are superficial.


So if that was the case, why would the husband-to-be willingly lie to his wife-to-be when presenting the ring?  That says a lot more about the relationship (and specifically the husband) than it does the ring.
 
2014-02-17 03:42:32 PM  

valkore: why would the husband-to-be willingly lie to his wife-to-be when presenting the ring?


Five thousand dollars
 
2014-02-17 03:44:01 PM  

Rapmaster2000: What's saddest is the giant, ugly stones you see so frequently.  Don't these girls realize that their 1 carat dirty cloud isn't a good quality diamond?


It's a product of a piss poor education and social pressures to have bigger instead of better
 
2014-02-17 03:44:10 PM  

relaxitsjustme: shanrick: The biggest advertising con ever concocted (mostly for Americans) is the idea that diamonds are rare and valuable.

Try and buy one.


Try and sell one.
 
2014-02-17 03:44:19 PM  
Combine the "no diamonds" crowd with the "no weddings" crowd, and you have lots of couples starting off with a $10-15k nest egg ("a down payment on a house" is usually how they phrase it), rather than shiny rocks and fun memories.

It is truly enlightening what economic hardship can do for social "norms".
 
2014-02-17 03:45:21 PM  

QueenMamaBee: relaxitsjustme: moefuggenbrew: relaxitsjustme: Would you be pissed if you found out a family antique oak desk was really a fake built in the 50's and distressed to look 100+ years old?

No, I wouldn't be.

Because it still looks like it did the day before and still holds my farking computer monitor.

Way to snip the most important part of my answer so I'll repeat it: Because it isn't as valuable.

Do you like your family furniture solely for its value? I'll take function anyday.


Sentimental value goes for a lot, too. If I found out what I thought was a family heirloom that had been in the family for generations was "just" a knickknack my mom bought when she was 8 and my grandma thought to keep around and bequeath to someone in her will for some reason, I'd be upset that I was misled (whether intentionally or not; i.e. my grandmother developed bad dementia by the end of her life, so it would likely not have been intentional) about what exactly I was getting, even though it's still physically the exact same object. My attributions of what that physical object represent have changed as a result. And that can be disappointing. Our understanding of a thing can very much change how we perceive it (sometimes dramatically so; a lot of research on the sensation of taste and preconceived notions has a lot to say on the matter). It's neither a good nor a bad thing, necessarily, but understanding that goes quite a long way into understanding the human condition.
 
2014-02-17 03:46:13 PM  
Again though, can a woman answer this - why would you be pissed if you found out your ring was CZ (how do u even know it isn't) instead of a diamond?

It's still the same ring you were perfectly happy with yesterday correct?
 
2014-02-17 03:49:26 PM  

moefuggenbrew: Again though, can a woman answer this - why would you be pissed if you found out your ring was CZ (how do u even know it isn't) instead of a diamond?

It's still the same ring you were perfectly happy with yesterday correct?


The answer to this is going to be yes.  We both know this.  You can argue the semantics of whether this is "logical" or not, but it's generally accepted that misrepresenting yourself (and getting caught) is a big no-no with the ladies.
 
2014-02-17 03:52:58 PM  

Rapmaster2000: moefuggenbrew: Again though, can a woman answer this - why would you be pissed if you found out your ring was CZ (how do u even know it isn't) instead of a diamond?

It's still the same ring you were perfectly happy with yesterday correct?

The answer to this is going to be yes.  We both know this.  You can argue the semantics of whether this is "logical" or not, but it's generally accepted that misrepresenting yourself (and getting caught) is a big no-no with the ladies.


I should be perfectly happy if somebody sells me a Sony TV with Magnetbox insides, as long as I was happy before I found out.
 
2014-02-17 03:57:39 PM  

moefuggenbrew: Again though, can a woman answer this - why would you be pissed if you found out your ring was CZ (how do u even know it isn't) instead of a diamond?


There are a number of ways. For one, cubic zirconia scratches more easily than diamond. For example, zirconia can be scratched by rubies/sapphires (among a few other things) whereas diamonds cannot be. You could take a ruby/sapphire stone you own (say, from an earring or necklace or something) and scratch it against the stone you suspect may be CZ. If the suspected stone gets scratched, it's not a diamond (though it could still be any number of other things: CZ, ruby, topaz, emerald, etc.); if the ruby/sapphire gets scratched, it's almost likely the suspected stone is a diamond because there really aren't that many things that can scratch rubies/sapphires that you could find on jewelry. And that's just something you can do at home easily. There are other ways that require some technically sophisticated equipment and a bit of a geology background, but it's in principle not very difficult to determine whether a stone is or is not a diamond, though narrowing down exactly what it is if it isn't a diamond is slightly trickier.
 
2014-02-17 03:57:44 PM  
My wife had one of those family heirlooms we were going to use as an engagement ring.  Until we found out that it was just cheap costume jewelry.  She then made the choice to forgo a real one for more money in the bank.

She doesn't have many diamonds, but she loves her Swarovski crystals.
 
2014-02-17 04:00:45 PM  

MugzyBrown: Rapmaster2000: moefuggenbrew: Again though, can a woman answer this - why would you be pissed if you found out your ring was CZ (how do u even know it isn't) instead of a diamond?

It's still the same ring you were perfectly happy with yesterday correct?

The answer to this is going to be yes.  We both know this.  You can argue the semantics of whether this is "logical" or not, but it's generally accepted that misrepresenting yourself (and getting caught) is a big no-no with the ladies.

I should be perfectly happy if somebody sells me a Sony TV with Magnetbox insides, as long as I was happy before I found out.


Sony prefers to use Sharp and Samsung manufactured panels.  Wait, they stopped using Sharp in 2012, my bad.  LG is in as their supplier now.
 
2014-02-17 04:04:22 PM  

Kome: There are other ways that require some technically sophisticated equipment and a bit of a geology background, but it's in principle not very difficult to determine whether a stone is or is not a diamond, though narrowing down exactly what it is if it isn't a diamond is slightly trickier.


You left out the most reliable test, that a diamond conducts heat better than any other material (except a diamond made from the pure Carbon-12 isotope separated from the other stable C-13 isotope).  Heat sensor touching one side, something hot on the other. Not so sophisticated.
 
2014-02-17 04:08:51 PM  

moefuggenbrew: Again though, can a woman answer this - why would you be pissed if you found out your ring was CZ (how do u even know it isn't) instead of a diamond?

It's still the same ring you were perfectly happy with yesterday correct?


I'd actually be happier that a lot of money wasn't wasted... assuming that HE knew it was not a diamond and therefore did not pay diamond prices. However, I will agree with Kraftwerk Orange that Moissonite tends to be prettier.

But.... I very rarely wear jewelry, so it's not a big deal to me. I wear a silver thumb ring that I picked up in Chicago about 15 years ago and a necklace (right now a St. Joseph medallion). I have a diamond pendant (it was a gift from my dad to my mom), but I don't wear it. I had it appraised for insurance purposes and now I'm petrified to wear it. It's a little to bling for my taste anyway.
 
2014-02-17 04:14:38 PM  
I worked for a big jewelry wholesaler and had access to their database of 50,000+ items which included manufacturer price, wholesale price, and MSRP.

As an example: The manufacturer makes a diamond ring and sells it to the wholesaler for $50. The wholesaler sells it to the retail store for $100. The retail store marks that ring for sale to you at $300-350. Why such a high retail markup? So they can offer you 20-50% off so you feel like you are getting a deal but they are still making a profit.

I think seeing the manufacturer prices really convinced me that jewelry is way overpriced.
 
2014-02-17 04:16:51 PM  

Helmsly: I worked for a big jewelry wholesaler and had access to their database of 50,000+ items which included manufacturer price, wholesale price, and MSRP.

As an example: The manufacturer makes a diamond ring and sells it to the wholesaler for $50. The wholesaler sells it to the retail store for $100. The retail store marks that ring for sale to you at $300-350. Why such a high retail markup? So they can offer you 20-50% off so you feel like you are getting a deal but they are still making a profit.

I think seeing the manufacturer prices really convinced me that jewelry is way overpriced.


For your own sanity, don't ever consider how expensive it is to make a pizza vs its selling price.
 
2014-02-17 04:20:08 PM  
My wife never liked diamonds. I recently gave her something else made of carbon:
www.cervelo.com

A small diamond ring would have been less expensive, but she really enjoys this.
 
2014-02-17 04:22:56 PM  

Atomic Spunk: A small diamond ring would have been less expensive, but she really enjoys this.


Never let her go.
 
2014-02-17 04:26:24 PM  
Just buy one off Craigslist from a pissed-off divorcee.
 
2014-02-17 04:28:29 PM  

m3000: From TFA: <i>A diamond is a depreciating asset masquerading as an investment.  </A>

Who the hell buys a diamond for investment purposes?

How about buying them because they're the prettiest jewel?


I guess that depends on what one considers the prettiest jewel. For me, it's probably the star sapphire.

/if you GIS star sapphire without specifying stone, you gets lots of cosplay and comic pics.
 
2014-02-17 04:49:44 PM  
Why does anyone still buy real diamonds?  Even aside from the ethical concerns, the lab created diamonds are mostly better quality and way cheaper.  Hell, they have to put a micro-etching on lab created diamonds so that jewelers can distinguish them from utterly perfect natural diamonds (how's that for exercising some cartel muscle - fark debeers)

My wife's engagement ring (2+ carats of lab created diamonds) looks like something a Kardashian would wear but cost less than $2K (I think - its been 5 years. definitely less than $3K, though)
 
2014-02-17 04:56:51 PM  

OptionC: Why does anyone still buy real diamonds?  Even aside from the ethical concerns, the lab created diamonds are mostly better quality and way cheaper.  Hell, they have to put a micro-etching on lab created diamonds so that jewelers can distinguish them from utterly perfect natural diamonds (how's that for exercising some cartel muscle - fark debeers)

My wife's engagement ring (2+ carats of lab created diamonds) looks like something a Kardashian would wear but cost less than $2K (I think - its been 5 years. definitely less than $3K, though)


really?
link please ... cause I am curious ....
 
2014-02-17 05:05:04 PM  
DeBeers doesn't have full control over the world diamond market anymore.
 
2014-02-17 05:18:29 PM  

namatad: OptionC: Why does anyone still buy real diamonds?  Even aside from the ethical concerns, the lab created diamonds are mostly better quality and way cheaper.  Hell, they have to put a micro-etching on lab created diamonds so that jewelers can distinguish them from utterly perfect natural diamonds (how's that for exercising some cartel muscle - fark debeers)

My wife's engagement ring (2+ carats of lab created diamonds) looks like something a Kardashian would wear but cost less than $2K (I think - its been 5 years. definitely less than $3K, though)

really?
link please ... cause I am curious ....


I can't find the exact model I got for my wife on their website, but something along the lines of this.  If you fiddle with the menus, a 1.45 carat center stone plus 2 carats total of other diamonds is $2K.

Chemically, the stones are different than diamonds, but the optics and hardness are so dead on that a jeweler wouldn't be able to tell the difference without the etching (except that it was maybe too perfect).
 
2014-02-17 05:29:09 PM  

OptionC: namatad: OptionC: Why does anyone still buy real diamonds?  Even aside from the ethical concerns, the lab created diamonds are mostly better quality and way cheaper.  Hell, they have to put a micro-etching on lab created diamonds so that jewelers can distinguish them from utterly perfect natural diamonds (how's that for exercising some cartel muscle - fark debeers)

My wife's engagement ring (2+ carats of lab created diamonds) looks like something a Kardashian would wear but cost less than $2K (I think - its been 5 years. definitely less than $3K, though)

really?
link please ... cause I am curious ....

I can't find the exact model I got for my wife on their website, but something along the lines of this.  If you fiddle with the menus, a 1.45 carat center stone plus 2 carats total of other diamonds is $2K.

Chemically, the stones are different than diamonds, but the optics and hardness are so dead on that a jeweler wouldn't be able to tell the difference without the etching (except that it was maybe too perfect).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_simulant 

meh - not actually a synthetic diamond ... 
and yah, billions cheaper than a "REAL NATURAL" diamond ....
 
2014-02-17 05:38:29 PM  
as someone said in some movie that i watched recently.

if you think diamonds have so much value, try reselling one.
 
2014-02-17 05:42:08 PM  

namatad: OptionC: namatad: OptionC: Why does anyone still buy real diamonds?  Even aside from the ethical concerns, the lab created diamonds are mostly better quality and way cheaper.  Hell, they have to put a micro-etching on lab created diamonds so that jewelers can distinguish them from utterly perfect natural diamonds (how's that for exercising some cartel muscle - fark debeers)

My wife's engagement ring (2+ carats of lab created diamonds) looks like something a Kardashian would wear but cost less than $2K (I think - its been 5 years. definitely less than $3K, though)

really?
link please ... cause I am curious ....

I can't find the exact model I got for my wife on their website, but something along the lines of this.  If you fiddle with the menus, a 1.45 carat center stone plus 2 carats total of other diamonds is $2K.

Chemically, the stones are different than diamonds, but the optics and hardness are so dead on that a jeweler wouldn't be able to tell the difference without the etching (except that it was maybe too perfect).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_simulant 

meh - not actually a synthetic diamond ... 
and yah, billions cheaper than a "REAL NATURAL" diamond ....


When the simulant is indistinguishable from a natural stone without doing a chemistry test, does it really make a difference?
 
2014-02-17 06:18:43 PM  
Who is this article trying to convince?

"Honey, I read today that diamonds are bullshiat.  So I'm not getting you one.  No matter how much you want it.  Because what you want is bullshiat.  Now, lets go get hitched, you crazy broad."
 
2014-02-17 06:20:17 PM  
OptionC:
When the simulant is indistinguishable from a natural stone without doing a chemistry test, does it really make a difference?

Does to the chumps wanting "real" diamonds.
 
2014-02-17 06:22:12 PM  

Rapmaster2000: What's saddest is the giant, ugly stones you see so frequently.  Don't these girls realize that their 1 carat dirty cloud isn't a good quality diamond?


Size matters.

It matters most.
 
2014-02-17 06:32:49 PM  

pute kisses like a man: as someone said in some movie that i watched recently.

if you think diamonds have so much value, try reselling one.


If that's really the case why are you guys biatching about diamonds? You can get one off CL for pennies on the dollar.
 
2014-02-17 06:38:38 PM  

valkore: moefuggenbrew: Value is such a vague word ... something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.

What I was getting at in my OP was that hubby bought it knowing it was CZ and just told her it was a diamond... thus her "diamond" would not have actually lost any value when she found out it was CZ.
If you think it has less value just because it costs less money you are superficial.

So if that was the case, why would the husband-to-be willingly lie to his wife-to-be when presenting the ring?  That says a lot more about the relationship (and specifically the husband) than it does the ring.


I love how enjoying my engagement ring turned into a debate whether or not I would be happy with a CZ. If my husband lied about the value of a gift in a really big way to get me to legally tie myself to him, we have more problems than just a ring. If he honestly said "diamond ring or family home and a CZ ring?" there would be no issue. I think most women who love their men would feel the same way.

White sapphires aren't as brilliant. White topaz is soft. Moissonite is sparklier and hard like diamonds, but they sometimes have a bit of tinge to them. Finally, cubic zirconia turns cloudy once its treatments wear off. I have other jewelry with most of these stones too. All of my diamonds are natural, but I wouldn't be opposed to lab created diamonds. The good ones are just as expensive as natural diamonds anyway.

The reason the diamond and platinum rings are popular is because it's more difficult to scratch or chip a diamond (though that can happen), and wedding sets are commonly worn throughout the day. Platinum can be polished as many times as you want without losing any metal. Emeralds are stunning, but they are soft and can get damaged with frequent use.

Most women aren't tricked into wanting a diamond, just like a lot of guys aren't tricked into wanting a motorcycle or a boat. It's a personal choice and there is nothing wrong with choosing a diamond ring (I prefer Canadian mined diamonds, btw) if you can afford it. Big emphasis on if you can afford it. A diamond isn't a NEED. It's a nice-to-have!
 
2014-02-17 06:41:48 PM  

MintyBurns: It's a personal choice


I think the idea is that your personal choice is wrong.  Wrong wrong wrong bullshiat wrong.

Try reading that helpful article, I'm sure it will change your mind.  No?

You still like diamonds?

Well, either that is a shiatty article, or you are a terrible human being.  Maybe both.
 
2014-02-17 06:44:04 PM  

WickerNipple: OptionC:
When the simulant is indistinguishable from a natural stone without doing a chemistry test, does it really make a difference?

Does to the chumps wanting "real" diamonds.


Yeah or why would somebody want a real watch when a $10 one will keep time just as accurately? Chumps. Why would somebody buy Blanton's when JD will get you just as drunk? Chumps.
 
2014-02-17 06:59:03 PM  

relaxitsjustme: WickerNipple: OptionC:
When the simulant is indistinguishable from a natural stone without doing a chemistry test, does it really make a difference?

Does to the chumps wanting "real" diamonds.

Yeah or why would somebody want a real watch when a $10 one will keep time just as accurately? Chumps. Why would somebody buy Blanton's when JD will get you just as drunk? Chumps.


The better analogy to lab diamonds are the very good, several-hundred-dollar knock-off Rolexes that are mechanically and visually indistinguishable from the real ones.  It's a lot harder to justify buying the genuine article at 5x the price when the quality knock off is available, and would be even more so if the real watch maker hacked the arms off of children as part of its production process.
 
2014-02-17 07:06:23 PM  

sendtodave: MintyBurns: It's a personal choice

I think the idea is that your personal choice is wrong.  Wrong wrong wrong bullshiat wrong.

Try reading that helpful article, I'm sure it will change your mind.  No?

You still like diamonds?

Well, either that is a shiatty article, or you are a terrible human being.  Maybe both.


Some people like the way diamonds look, even outside their learned cultural habits.  They're bright and sparkley, and that's all they need to know.  I think it's kind of sad that our historical obsession with diamonds courtesy of De Beers et al has crowded out people's personal preferences in what they might find more personally pleasing in a ring.

This doesn't get into the whole concept of rings in regards to signaling matrimony, but that's another discussion entirely.

/Personally I think diamonds are kinda boring, I like brightly colored things better.
 
2014-02-17 07:08:47 PM  

OptionC: relaxitsjustme: WickerNipple: OptionC:
When the simulant is indistinguishable from a natural stone without doing a chemistry test, does it really make a difference?

Does to the chumps wanting "real" diamonds.

Yeah or why would somebody want a real watch when a $10 one will keep time just as accurately? Chumps. Why would somebody buy Blanton's when JD will get you just as drunk? Chumps.

The better analogy to lab diamonds are the very good, several-hundred-dollar knock-off Rolexes that are mechanically and visually indistinguishable from the real ones.  It's a lot harder to justify buying the genuine article at 5x the price when the quality knock off is available, and would be even more so if the real watch maker hacked the arms off of children as part of its production process.


And it has nothing to do with how well it keeps time.

People want to by the genuine article because it is the genuine article.   Because it is five times the price.  Because you deserve expensive things, things that you can show off!

And, with diamonds, of course, your fiancee deserves expensive things that she can show off even more, so you really should sacrifice to get them for her!

If the fake Rolexes or fake diamonds cost as much as the real thing, maybe they'd be worth something.
 
2014-02-17 07:27:20 PM  

MintyBurns: It's a personal choice and there is nothing wrong with choosing a diamond ring (I prefer Canadian mined diamonds, btw)


I personally feel that a diamond isn't valuable unless you bathe in the blood of a litter of puppies first, then load it in a gun and fire it through the skulls of 13 orphans, next use it to scratch a pentagram on the forehead of a lithe virgin before sacrificing her to the elder gods, and finally it must be attached around the neck of a Persian cat tied to a bumper and dragged around the block of the location where you plan to pop the question for three miles.

Then, and ONLY THEN.... is the diamond truly worth something.
 
2014-02-17 07:51:44 PM  
For those who prefer their diamond exposes in humorous video format instead of pretentious Huffpo TLDR:
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6952792/why-engagement-rings-are-a- s cam
 
2014-02-17 08:00:37 PM  
Mrs 'saur doesn't care for diamonds or gold.  Sterling and Peridot FTW!
 
2014-02-17 08:37:20 PM  

MintyBurns: If he honestly said "diamond ring or family home and a CZ ring?" there would be no issue.

 
2014-02-17 10:01:35 PM  
Might as well strap a clod of dirt to your finger, as far as I'm concerned. I never understood the appeal and I find them valueless.  Thank goodness my husband listened when I said I don't like diamonds.  I'm not really a jewelry person though and I guess I lack the bird brained "ooh shiny" when it comes to it.
 
2014-02-17 10:25:56 PM  

gadian: I'm not really a jewelry person though and I guess I lack the bird brained "ooh shiny" when it comes to it.


I very much have an "ooh shiny" mentality. I've been collecting gems and precious stones since I was a little boy. Now as an adult with a decent paying job, I can more or less fund such a hobby on my own. But, I have accepted such gifts from friends and family who know I have an interest in them, and I have given some as gifts occasionally over the years. We all have our things, whether it's model trains or paintings or gemstone collections or whatever. No shame in liking or disliking or indifference.
 
2014-02-17 11:11:43 PM  
So here is a modest proposal: Let's agree that diamonds are bullshiat and reject their role in the marriage process

Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2014-02-17 11:28:35 PM  
m3000: How about buying them because they're the prettiest jewel?

they are inferior to black opal
 
2014-02-18 05:58:53 AM  

vudukungfu: What's appalling is how many urban sisters need the bling on the ring thing.


Across the board it's appalling. They're falling for the same con as the rest of them.
 
2014-02-18 12:35:22 PM  
I gave the wife a diamond, but only because the stone had been a hand-down through the family. Its not even the best rock, but that isnt where the value is.

Had i not had that, i would have gone with something different (likely not a stone of any type).

/our wedding bands are rosewood.
 
2014-02-18 02:11:45 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: Yeah, tricking women into buying diamonds is totally the worst con ever invented by corporations

It's the men doing the buying.  And everything you mentioned has some utility, unlike diamonds, which are worn solely for status.


This women in the offices I'm at are often cooing over the new engagement ring to a girls face and then cutting her down out of earshot.
 
2014-02-18 07:28:44 PM  
LemSkroob: /our wedding bands are rosewood.

oh, I bet that looks nice.

also, if I could find a woman who would appreciate the Ring of Barahir, marriage would be just fine by me.
 
2014-02-18 08:09:28 PM  
Diamonds?  Bah.  I'd much rather have a good quality gem of this variety:


img.fark.net

Much more interesting to look at.  Sadly, I am foreveralone, so I'll have to buy my own bling.
 
2014-02-18 09:20:46 PM  
Are there people who don't already know this?
Never bought a diamond. Never will
 
2014-02-18 11:41:07 PM  
This article forgot to mention that  marriage and weddings are bullshiat too.

In fact, pretty much everything women want in a romantic relationship is total bullshiat that only ends up costing men money.  Alas, we spend it anyway because we want the sex.

So goes the world.
 
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