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(The Week)   Americans can recognize the difference between making up a scandal and covering one   (theweek.com) divider line 55
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2014-02-17 03:05:42 PM  
9 votes:

Doktor_Zhivago: Can -ghazi be the suffix to every scandal now? -gate is getting old


-gate is for a real scandal
-ghazi is for a witch hunt
2014-02-17 03:49:25 PM  
5 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Oh, by the by, do you politically-minded farkers know when and how the phrase "Worse than Watergate" really got moving (recently, anyway)? The title of a 2004 book by John Dean about George W Bush's ascendance to the presidency and mismanagement of the country once he got there.

John Dean, who was Nixon's WH counsel - so he might know a thing or two more about Watergate than most of us keyboard activists, and therefore carries a bit of weight - was Barry Goldwater's protege, and wrote two follow-ups (Conservatives Without Conscience, a great takedown of the 2006-era Republican party of Katrina, Schiavo and Social Security privatization; and Broken Government, about the genesis of the still-continuing gumming up of the machinery of government) excoriating the right for farking up governing and governance, largely as tit-for-tat over Watergate (Cheney, Rumsfeld and many other Bushies were former Nixonites).

// they tried to pin the Watergate coverup on Dean at first


Bush's presidency is probably among the three worst in American history.  He took a country with a budgetary surplus and foreign threats under control and transformed it into a security state victim of preventable terror, helped plunge it into a vast recession, and helped incite Republicans into a frothing-at-the-mouth, liberals-are-Devils rage at anything resembling comity and bipartisan government.

Fox News was there every step of the way.

/eh.  It still pisses me off.
2014-02-17 01:58:50 PM  
5 votes:
The more you lie the less credibility you have.

That's not an enomously complex finding.
2014-02-17 02:49:49 PM  
4 votes:
Steve Kornacki: actual journalist with a brain
Sean Hannity: not so much
2014-02-17 02:46:13 PM  
4 votes:
FTFA: And Fox is the experienced TV muckraker, having gamely tried to tag the Obama administration with a series of supposed scandals such as Solyndra, Operation Fast and Furious, and the IRS auditing episode, often prioritizing such stories when more traditional outlets put them on the back burner...Fox's credibility is shot precisely because of itsbreathlessly deeming multiple pseudo-scandals as "Worse Than Watergate."

photo.goodreads.com

It's not just about infroming....
2014-02-17 01:15:11 PM  
4 votes:
The whole point of the article can be summed up with this JPEG:

churchandstate.org.uk
2014-02-17 05:04:48 PM  
3 votes:

Garet Garrett: The liberal news networks that people actually watch had 17x more coverage of BridgeGate in 24 hours than of the IRS scandal in over 6 months.


You mean the one where a Bush-appointee said the White House had nothing to do with what the Cincinnati office was doing? You are correct that there is a scandal there - but it has more to do with the fact that anti-tax groups somehow do not expect more attention when they try to say they are non-taxable public service groups.

Garet Garrett: As for Benghazi, you all can stop now. We get it. You don't care why Americans were in put harm's way, why they were killed, or why you were lied to about who did the killing. You don't care that the administration has refused to allow Congress to investigate those questions on your behalf. You don't care that the killers remain at large. It's a fake scandal because, well, "What difference, at this point, does it make?" We understand you quite clearly. CLINTON 2016!


No, we just do not understand how an act of terrorism is different than a terrorist act. We also don't like it when people use dead bodies of Americans for no reason other than to win elections, and smirk about it at the same time. It's funny how all the various congressional investigations into Benghazi count the same as none to you.
2014-02-17 04:58:24 PM  
3 votes:

mrshowrules: Skleenar: Well, sure, but if Hillary was involved in any real scandals, like Benghazi, then she'd be toast for the nomination.

How was Benghazi a scandal?


It is scandalous that people are politicizing a tragic event to try to manipulate elections. The fact that it didn't work for the 2012 election, but they are still pushing it for 2016 is pretty scandalously stupid.
2014-02-17 04:34:14 PM  
3 votes:

Cletus C.: Actually, I was referring to the fact MSNBC's viewership is pathetic.


I love how Conservatives value ratings over accuracy in their news sources.
2014-02-17 04:06:17 PM  
3 votes:
They can't make Benghazi stick because they can't tie the murderous acts of terrorists back to Obama/Clinton.

I think people grasp that Obama didn't attack that embassy, and that though it was bad, bad shiat happens in Muslim countries undergoing revolutions.

Whereas with the bridge thing you have a pretty clear link between Christie Administration --> Wildstein --> Bridge Closures thanks to that magic email.
2014-02-17 03:33:57 PM  
3 votes:
Plus, even if you take both accusations 100% completely dead seriously... the GOP's accusing Mrs. Clinton of kind of a bullshiat PR move that was slightly inconvenient for members of congress.  Christie is being accused of corruption on the order of running what amounts to  organized crime.

Sort of a fundamentally more interesting and important accusation even before you consider the GOP's one being nonsense.
2014-02-17 03:23:02 PM  
3 votes:

Tigger: The more you lie the less credibility you have.

That's not an enomously complex finding.


People who lie all the time always assume everyone's lying to them.
2014-02-18 01:01:37 AM  
2 votes:

TerminalEchoes: Seeing as how absolutely nothing can be proven against Clinton or Christie, why can't everyone just stfu and focus on something that actually makes a difference?


Sorry concern troll, but the Christie story isn't going away until it makes sense. We still have no idea who shut down the bridge or why. We just know the order came from the governor's office.  Hell, the feds don't even seem interested in the Bridgegate stuff. They're looking into the charges of corruption surrounding the Hurricane Sandy relief funds.

I love shiatting all over how terrible cable news is, but I feel like when they do the right thing we should encourage them. Isn't political corruption precisely the kind of thing the media should be covering? Lord knows we don't need any more coverage of Ted Nugent's twitter or whatever horseshiat 24 cable news networks usually report on.
2014-02-17 10:39:33 PM  
2 votes:

ikanreed: The sad truth is that Fox is in a great position even if their audience dwindled to a fraction of other news sources.  Sucker-Americans are worth a fortune to advertisers, and Fox News does a fantastic job of slicing them out of the herd.


Food for thought here.

Networks' biases can be judged not on their programming, but their advertising. Advertisers want to know goddamn well which demographic they'll be reaching before they roll a campaign out.

I tuned in to FOXNEWS recently for a few laughs, and it struck me how narrow the advertising market seemed to be:

1. LifeAlert type products.
2. Gold "investment" opportunities.
3. Low end Billy Mays style commercials for stupid useless shiat like SlapChop.
4. Not a single ad for a high end item.

Conclusion: For all of FOX's crowing about ratings (an increasingly useless bragging point), the fact is that their audience seems to be old, poor, and ignorant. Even on their site they have ads for "Penny Stock Millionaires!" on the sidebar.

I'm sure FOX does well enough, but I think that their reputation as a broadcasting behemoth is overstated. The fact is, most people in this country DON'T watch them.
2014-02-17 10:27:20 PM  
2 votes:

TerminalEchoes: Libs have tried just as hard to make the bridge-thing (I refuse to use "gate") a scandal as Cons have tried to make Benghazi a scandal. Seeing as how absolutely nothing can be proven against Clinton or Christie, why can't everyone just stfu and focus on something that actually makes a difference?


The bridge thing is an actual scandal. The only question is whether Christie is directly involved or not.
2014-02-17 07:15:05 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-02-17 04:17:20 PM  
2 votes:
Benghazi is to scandal as Creationism is to science.

Faith based belief systems.
2014-02-17 03:54:04 PM  
2 votes:

Cletus C.: Seriously, they're giving MSNBC and Maddow credit for exposing and giving truth to the Christie scandal? That's a stretch, saying a few dozen viewers helped sink his barge.


It's not that FoxNews viewers can't handle the truth, it's just that the truth doesn't agree with their narrative, a narrative that is based off of fear and loathing of their fellow man.  So, yes, obviously, your funny about MSNBC (which has been told many times by many FarkCons as some evidence - of what - that more retards choose lies and bullsh*t than the alternative) means something, it means that MSNBC can't claim credit for this solely.  It must be the rest of the liberal media!

You'd be get on the red herring signal, Cletus!  Unite against the scourge of the liberal media!
2014-02-17 03:05:55 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA: As a result, Fox has created itself a sizeable audience, but drowns it in a swamp of fever dreams and cuts it off from the reality-based community.

I believe they mean to say "liebruls", here.
2014-02-17 03:04:46 PM  
2 votes:
Can -ghazi be the suffix to every scandal now? -gate is getting old
2014-02-17 02:56:00 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA:  Fox sometimes hits upon a Democratic scandal that is not fictional

Fox News - Sometimes Credible - We report, you decide.
2014-02-18 11:43:00 AM  
1 votes:
"I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends ... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." -- Adlai Stevenson
2014-02-18 09:12:18 AM  
1 votes:

yakmans_dad: Aldon: Not a Scandal:
Katrina (Bush II): Just incompetence

Not true. The scandal was gutting FEMA.


Nope, just another indication of massive incompetence.

Nothing illegal or immoral.  Just a disagreement with his policy which proved him to be incredibly wrong.
2014-02-18 09:01:28 AM  
1 votes:
Here's a hint right-wingers: A "scandal" needs something to be illegal or immoral to have happened.

Example:
Bridgegate (Christi): For political pay-back (immoral) the bridge was closed (maybe illegal).
Outing a CIA agent (Bush II):  Illegal, and immoral with coverup (lying under oath) added.
Firing attorney generals who wouldn't pursue cases against Democrats (Bush II): immoral

Not a Scandal:
Katrina (Bush II): Just incompetence

Benghazi, IRS, Fast and furious.  Nothing illegal, nothing immoral, if you stuck with incompetence maybe people would pay attention.
2014-02-18 06:28:34 AM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Seriously, they're giving MSNBC and Maddow credit for exposing and giving truth to the Christie scandal? That's a stretch, saying a few dozen viewers helped sink his barge.


No, they're giving them credit for sticking with it and for covering actual scandals instead of fake ones.
2014-02-18 02:25:53 AM  
1 votes:
imageshack.com
2014-02-18 02:21:22 AM  
1 votes:
imageshack.com
2014-02-17 10:42:11 PM  
1 votes:

ongbok: Are there that many bad spellers in the world? I can understand words that you may not use or read everyday, or those words that have weird spelling rules, but simple words like informed I don't understand. And didn't they have a friend that saw the sign and said "That's spelled wrong"? Or is it that their whole circle are bad spellers?


CSB: I went to a teabag protest once to counter-protest since it was my Congressional district.  I had a very detailed sign with lots of words on both sides quoting the Constitution and the Bible, and one of the teabaggers was trying to make fun of me for it.  I infromed him he had three words on his sign, and one of them was spelled wrong, which surprisingly made him walk away in silence.  Later in the day, I was told by an elderly gentleman that the Jews only supported health care reform because they are a tribal people.  The signs you see are are not outliers in the slightest, and it's not just the spelling.
2014-02-17 10:15:14 PM  
1 votes:

TerminalEchoes: Libs have tried just as hard to make the bridge-thing (I refuse to use "gate") a scandal as Cons have tried to make Benghazi a scandal. Seeing as how absolutely nothing can be proven against Clinton or Christie, why can't everyone just stfu and focus on something that actually makes a difference?


In our moment of triumph???
2014-02-17 06:11:07 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Garet Garrett: Americans can recognize the difference between making up wall to wall coverage of a scandal by every major news network and covering one up.

FTFY, smitty.

The liberal news networks that people actually watch had 17x more coverage of BridgeGate in 24 hours than of the IRS scandal in over 6 months.

As for Benghazi, you all can stop now.  We get it.  You don't care why Americans were in put harm's way, why they were killed, or why you were lied to about who did the killing.  You don't care that the administration has refused to allow Congress to investigate those questions on your behalf.  You don't care that the killers remain at large.  It's a fake scandal because, well, "What difference, at this point, does it make?"  We understand you quite clearly.  CLINTON 2016!

Oh boy.


It's always amusing when someone goes so far derp, even you have to say something about it.
2014-02-17 05:06:04 PM  
1 votes:

Doktor_Zhivago: Can -ghazi be the suffix to every scandal now? -gate is getting old


How about -gate for real scandals and -ghazi for manufactured RW poutrage?
2014-02-17 04:56:28 PM  
1 votes:

Bermuda59: It would have been fun to see how FOX would have covered Watergate.


"And there is absolutely no evidence President Nixon was ever anywhere near the Watergate..."
2014-02-17 04:50:16 PM  
1 votes:
Whoopsie!

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2014-02-17 04:48:21 PM  
1 votes:

Garet Garrett: The liberal news networks that people actually watch had 17x more coverage of BridgeGate in 24 hours than of the IRS scandal in over 6 months.


Sure, if you start counting IRS coverage on July 1st, two months after the story broke, two weeks after the IRS testified the WH was not involved, and one week after it was shown that groups with 'progressive' and 'occupy' in their names were also targeted.

Do you enjoy being lied to or do you just not care?
2014-02-17 04:44:59 PM  
1 votes:

Bermuda59: It would have been fun to see how FOX would have covered Watergate.


I'm not certain they would have.
2014-02-17 04:39:56 PM  
1 votes:
Americans can recognize the difference between making up wall to wall coverage of a scandal by every major news network and covering one up.

FTFY, smitty.

The liberal news networks that people actually watch had 17x more coverage of BridgeGate in 24 hours than of the IRS scandal in over 6 months.

As for Benghazi, you all can stop now.  We get it.  You don't care why Americans were in put harm's way, why they were killed, or why you were lied to about who did the killing.  You don't care that the administration has refused to allow Congress to investigate those questions on your behalf.  You don't care that the killers remain at large.  It's a fake scandal because, well, "What difference, at this point, does it make?"  We understand you quite clearly.  CLINTON 2016!
2014-02-17 04:36:59 PM  
1 votes:

The Why Not Guy: Cletus C.: Actually, I was referring to the fact MSNBC's viewership is pathetic.

I love how Conservatives value ratings over accuracy in their news sources.


Huh? Listen bub, Community is getting hammered in the ratings by Big Bang Theory and American Farking Idol. That's the outrage!
2014-02-17 04:28:45 PM  
1 votes:
Only some Americans can, unfortunately.  A lot of Americans are farking stupid.  Then again, the more people who finally realize that Fox News is not really telling the truth, even when the truth is absolutely plain to see, the better.
2014-02-17 04:23:08 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: coeyagi: Cletus C.: Actually, I was referring to the fact MSNBC's viewership is pathetic. The Christie scandal was pursued with vigor by the "mainstream" media. If it had just been Maddow most people would never have heard or just chalked it up to another of her rants.

But then again, I have no idea what the fark you're talking about so there's that.

coeyagi: So, yes, obviously, your funny about MSNBC (which has been told many times by many FarkCons as some evidence - of what - that more retards choose lies and bullsh*t than the alternative)

No sh*t, sherlock.  You have no idea that I was agreeing with you and giving you a reason for it?

FFS, man, it's time to start blaming yourself for your lack of reading comprehension.  I write for a living and still get a paycheck for it, so it's time to start wondering about the man in the mirror.

They pay for Penthouse Forum letters?


Well, that wasn't bad, but I am going to now assume every time you deflect, in other words every response to me, you are in effect admitting you have no defense for my criticisms, be they about your lying or poor reading comprehension.
2014-02-17 04:01:56 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Actually, I was referring to the fact MSNBC's viewership is pathetic. The Christie scandal was pursued with vigor by the "mainstream" media. If it had just been Maddow most people would never have heard or just chalked it up to another of her rants.

But then again, I have no idea what the fark you're talking about so there's that.


coeyagi: So, yes, obviously, your funny about MSNBC (which has been told many times by many FarkCons as some evidence - of what - that more retards choose lies and bullsh*t than the alternative)


No sh*t, sherlock.  You have no idea that I was agreeing with you and giving you a reason for it?

FFS, man, it's time to start blaming yourself for your lack of reading comprehension.  I write for a living and still get a paycheck for it, so it's time to start wondering about the man in the mirror.
2014-02-17 04:00:48 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: coeyagi: Cletus C.: Seriously, they're giving MSNBC and Maddow credit for exposing and giving truth to the Christie scandal? That's a stretch, saying a few dozen viewers helped sink his barge.

It's not that FoxNews viewers can't handle the truth, it's just that the truth doesn't agree with their narrative, a narrative that is based off of fear and loathing of their fellow man.  So, yes, obviously, your funny about MSNBC (which has been told many times by many FarkCons as some evidence - of what - that more retards choose lies and bullsh*t than the alternative) means something, it means that MSNBC can't claim credit for this solely.  It must be the rest of the liberal media!

You'd be get on the red herring signal, Cletus!  Unite against the scourge of the liberal media!

Actually, I was referring to the fact MSNBC's viewership is pathetic. The Christie scandal was pursued with vigor by the "mainstream" media. If it had just been Maddow most people would never have heard or just chalked it up to another of her rants.

But then again, I have no idea what the fark you're talking about so there's that.


That's not how the news media works. Every major outlet jumps on anything juicy ASAP, and celebrity scandal is their bread and butter. It wouldn't have mattered who broke the story.
2014-02-17 03:48:38 PM  
1 votes:

Doktor_Zhivago: Can -ghazi be the suffix to every scandal now? -gate is getting old


As stated in an earlier thread, -gate is for a real scandal, -ghazi is for fake scandals.

Ergo, Bridgegate.
2014-02-17 03:37:09 PM  
1 votes:
It's decided:  I'm going to open a hotel in D.C. called the Waterghazi and blow everyone's mind.
2014-02-17 03:08:46 PM  
1 votes:

mrshowrules: Skleenar: Well, sure, but if Hillary was involved in any real scandals, like Benghazi, then she'd be toast for the nomination.

How was Benghazi a scandal?


Aw, Jeez. Not this shiat again.
2014-02-17 03:05:09 PM  
1 votes:

mrshowrules: Skleenar: Well, sure, but if Hillary was involved in any real scandals, like Benghazi, then she'd be toast for the nomination.

How was Benghazi a scandal?


Because it was worse than Watergate, that's why.
2014-02-17 03:01:57 PM  
1 votes:
Let it not be forgotten for those who DRTFA, when there finally was a Democrat scandal, Wienerghazi, MSNBC was just as hard on the Wiener as FOX was.

/the Fox who cried wolf.
2014-02-17 03:01:47 PM  
1 votes:

Lord_Baull: Um, not Real AmericansTM, subby.


Real AmericansTM feel truth in their guts.  They don't pollute truth with facts or reason.
2014-02-17 03:00:19 PM  
1 votes:

Skleenar: Well, sure, but if Hillary was involved in any real scandals, like Benghazi, then she'd be toast for the nomination.


How was Benghazi a scandal?
2014-02-17 02:59:02 PM  
1 votes:

jake_lex: The whole point of the article can be summed up with this JPEG:

[churchandstate.org.uk image 425x367]


Are there that many bad spellers in the world? I can understand words that you may not use or read everyday, or those words that have weird spelling rules, but simple words like informed I don't understand. And didn't they have a friend that saw the sign and said "That's spelled wrong"? Or is it that their whole circle are bad spellers?
2014-02-17 02:52:54 PM  
1 votes:
Well, sure, but if Hillary was involved in any real scandals, like Benghazi, then she'd be toast for the nomination.
2014-02-17 01:52:16 PM  
1 votes:
Our country is screwed.
2014-02-17 01:51:53 PM  
1 votes:
*stamps feet* Benghazi IS a scandal!1!
2014-02-17 01:49:51 PM  
1 votes:

jake_lex: The whole point of the article can be summed up with this JPEG:

[churchandstate.org.uk image 425x367]


How is voter infromed?  How people got infromatrion?
2014-02-17 01:27:47 PM  
1 votes:
Occassionally reality matters.
2014-02-17 01:25:24 PM  
1 votes:

jake_lex: The whole point of the article can be summed up with this JPEG:


Absolutely.
 
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