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2014-02-17 11:11:02 AM  
Did the Obvious tag drown in the flood?
 
2014-02-17 11:17:02 AM  
Words just don't do it.
This is a Stupid on a level beyond comprehension.
 
2014-02-17 11:20:46 AM  
Ladies and Gentlemen... I give you your voting public!

This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2014-02-17 11:21:12 AM  
Jerk Jesus strikes again
 
2014-02-17 11:24:41 AM  
Wow, they know what they believe is bullsh*t but still choose to believe it. What really blows my mind, is that moderate christians share far more in common with atheists but will side with these freaks because of jeebus. With an old universe,  there was no Adam and Eve, no original sin, no reason for jesus, no reason for christianity, yet rational people throw out all rational thought when it comes to religion.
 
2014-02-17 11:27:58 AM  
"God made man in his image."

Protip: if your God tells you to hate certain types of people, you made him in your image.
 
2014-02-17 11:29:42 AM  
There is a LOT of ZHIT in That Book.
I wonder how they know just the best parts that apply for them.

Like real rape, I guess the excess bullzhit just shuts down.
 
2014-02-17 11:30:55 AM  

swaniefrmreddeer: Wow, they know what they believe is bullsh*t but still choose to believe it. What really blows my mind, is that moderate christians share far more in common with atheists but will side with these freaks because of jeebus. With an old universe,  there was no Adam and Eve, no original sin, no reason for jesus, no reason for christianity, yet rational people throw out all rational thought when it comes to religion.


It's basically a mild form of insanity.
 
2014-02-17 11:36:56 AM  
This is speaking as someone who isn't even an atheist.

I think most if not all religion is about fear of death. No one wants to die, so they believe that if they believe enough bullshiat and conduct enough bullshiat rituals then they won't die. What other reason could there be to even follow what's in the Bible or Koran or the Jedi Holocrons or whatever? That's why so many poor people are religious. Their life sucks. What's the reason to go on unless there's something else waiting for me if I jump through these hoops?

That's what this video is. there's no logical arguments, just hope that things aren't as shiatty as they're experiencing them to be. That's not an argument, that's wishful thinking.

And the cute girl in the video.....she totally does anal.
 
2014-02-17 11:41:15 AM  

Mugato: This is speaking as someone who isn't even an atheist.

I think most if not all religion is about fear of death. No one wants to die, so they believe that if they believe enough bullshiat and conduct enough bullshiat rituals then they won't die. What other reason could there be to even follow what's in the Bible or Koran or the Jedi Holocrons or whatever? That's why so many poor people are religious. Their life sucks. What's the reason to go on unless there's something else waiting for me if I jump through these hoops?

That's what this video is. there's no logical arguments, just hope that things aren't as shiatty as they're experiencing them to be. That's not an argument, that's wishful thinking.

And the cute girl in the video.....she totally does anal.


if that's my prayerbook, Lord, let us prey,,
 
2014-02-17 11:44:03 AM  
 You do know that worshiping a dead guy on a stick is creepy, right?
 
2014-02-17 11:49:34 AM  
"If somewhere within the Bible, I were to find a passage that said two plus two equals five, I wouldn't question what I'm reading in the Bible. I would believe it, accept it as true, and then do my best to work it out and understand it."

Which is amusing because the Bible does in fact contend that the ratio we refer to today as pi is exactly 3. I have my doubts about his understanding of that.
 
2014-02-17 11:51:11 AM  

Mugato: This is speaking as someone who isn't even an atheist.

I think most if not all religion is about fear of death. No one wants to die, so they believe that if they believe enough bullshiat and conduct enough bullshiat rituals then they won't die. What other reason could there be to even follow what's in the Bible or Koran or the Jedi Holocrons or whatever? That's why so many poor people are religious. Their life sucks. What's the reason to go on unless there's something else waiting for me if I jump through these hoops?

That's what this video is. there's no logical arguments, just hope that things aren't as shiatty as they're experiencing them to be. That's not an argument, that's wishful thinking.

And the cute girl in the video.....she totally does anal.


"I'm still a virgin.  Well,technically."
 
2014-02-17 11:52:44 AM  

vudukungfu: You do know that worshiping a dead guy on a stick is creepy, right?


Which reminds me, this winter will end and then, State Fair Time.
Fried Food on a Stick Time.
 
2014-02-17 12:15:11 PM  
The bottom line is that you can't argue with a religious person. They're going to lose every scientific argument, obviously. If you question why bad things happen to good people they'll go to the "free will" thing. If you bring up children who are born with horrible painful twisting illnesses for which there is no cure, the religious argument endgame is "God works in mysterious ways and it's his will". Then why pray?

I think I'm paraphrasing George Carlin here but it's something I believe as well, if God has his own plan that is in many cases farked up, what is your prayer going to do to affect his plan?
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Believe what you want but STFU about it. and includes atheists too but only if the Bible thumpers do it first because they're holding back society. Imagine some kid with an IQ of 300 who could have cured cancer by now but was born an raised a creationst
 
2014-02-17 12:21:30 PM  

Mugato: I think most if not all religion is about fear of death. No one wants to die, so they believe that if they believe enough bullshiat and conduct enough bullshiat rituals then they won't die.


I think if you tweak that slightly to an ego-based assumption you're right on the money. Not so much afraid of death (although that is a big part of it,) it's the terribly human inability to believe that "I" will just...blink out. That there will be a world without "me." Humans have a hard time grasping, really, truly wrapping their heads around the idea that we get 80 years (if we're lucky) of existence and then....we blink out like a burnt-out light bulb. Shining brightly one moment, gone the next, never to return.

When you factor in that myopia to things, it makes sense that people need to the idea of a reward in "the next life" to control behavior in this one. Those that don't have the intellectual capacity to grasp the idea of the social contract, the idea that religion is not required to act in a moral and ethical way, can and do benefit from the idea of an Almighty judging them after death.

Patton Oswalt's "Skycake" bit explains it rather well.
 
2014-02-17 12:24:22 PM  

dramboxf: Humans have a hard time grasping, really, truly wrapping their heads around the idea that we get 80 years (if we're lucky) of existence and then....we blink out like a burnt-out light bulb


People do seem obsessed with leaving a "legacy".
 
2014-02-17 12:28:45 PM  
It is not about Christians, or Jesus, of the Bible or even about the conceited git who made a 4-1/2 minute video mocking believers. It's about quirks of the ridiculously complicated psychology of humans and those who manipulate it. It is frustrating and futile to mock or argue with believers, and it is rude and inhumane to try to destroy the belief system that has sustained them through life. For some bit of actual understanding of the issue, I recommend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails.
 
2014-02-17 12:29:34 PM  
"God made us in his image"

He must worship fat Buddha
 
2014-02-17 12:29:50 PM  

vudukungfu: You do know that worshiping a dead guy on a stick is creepy, right?


I find the concept of being able to influence the actions of an omniscient omnipotent being by muttering quietly to yourself to be even more disturbing.
 
2014-02-17 12:30:27 PM  

Mugato: People do seem obsessed with leaving a "legacy".


Yeah. And that, to a degree, is understandable. It helps comfort and answer the question of "Why was I here? What have I left behind?" If you are a millionaire businessman, and you leave all your money to create a pediatric cancer wing at your local hospital, then that's a damn good legacy and helpfully answers that question.

If your legacy, however, is to make sure that your children and your children's children never need to work a day in their lives.... I personally disagree.

One of the other questions about eternal life I've always wanted to ask the die-hard believers. There's been something between 80-120 billion "people" that have lived since what we regard as "humans" appeared. The afterlife seems like it's going to be as crowded as Walmart a day before Christmas.

That does not sound fun.
 
2014-02-17 12:31:09 PM  

Lor M. Ipsum: He must worship fat Buddha


If God created existence in his image, God is a beetle.

And I mean the bug, not the musicians. ;)
 
2014-02-17 12:38:48 PM  

dramboxf: One of the other questions about eternal life I've always wanted to ask the die-hard believers. There's been something between 80-120 billion "people" that have lived since what we regard as "humans" appeared. The afterlife seems like it's going to be as crowded as Walmart a day before Christmas.


Religious people don't seem to be too good at wrapping their heads around big numbers. They don't believe in evolution because they can't grasp the idea of billions of years of things changing and evolving. They think the Earth is the center of the universe because they can't grasp the fact that the earth is in a incomprehensibly large galaxy within an incomprehensibly large universe much older than our aforementioned galaxy.

So when they think of "eternity" they don't really get it. We'd get really bored with each other after the first billion years or so.
 
2014-02-17 12:40:57 PM  

dramboxf: Mugato: People do seem obsessed with leaving a "legacy".

Yeah. And that, to a degree, is understandable. It helps comfort and answer the question of "Why was I here? What have I left behind?" If you are a millionaire businessman, and you leave all your money to create a pediatric cancer wing at your local hospital, then that's a damn good legacy and helpfully answers that question.

If your legacy, however, is to make sure that your children and your children's children never need to work a day in their lives.... I personally disagree.

One of the other questions about eternal life I've always wanted to ask the die-hard believers. There's been something between 80-120 billion "people" that have lived since what we regard as "humans" appeared. The afterlife seems like it's going to be as crowded as Walmart a day before Christmas.

That does not sound fun.


The Universe wastes absolutely nothing.
Not matter.
Not energy.
Not all the zhit we don't know we don't know.
 
2014-02-17 12:50:56 PM  
"Why bother pursuing a relationship with God if he's closed the door on us... And doesn't care about us any more?"

Why, indeed.
 
2014-02-17 12:59:39 PM  
"i would love to encourage mr darwin, and others who feel just like him, to try god."
 
2014-02-17 01:01:59 PM  

Mugato: Did the Obvious tag drown in the flood?


yeah, since there was only one of him, Noah kicked him off the boat.
 
2014-02-17 01:02:54 PM  

Speaker2Animals: "God made man in his image."

Protip: if your God tells you to hate certain types of people, you made him in your image.


This is why they try to push homosexuality as being an "alternative lifestyle" instead of something people are born with. So they can try to say god would never make that.
 
2014-02-17 01:07:51 PM  

snocone: dramboxf: Mugato: People do seem obsessed with leaving a "legacy".

Yeah. And that, to a degree, is understandable. It helps comfort and answer the question of "Why was I here? What have I left behind?" If you are a millionaire businessman, and you leave all your money to create a pediatric cancer wing at your local hospital, then that's a damn good legacy and helpfully answers that question.

If your legacy, however, is to make sure that your children and your children's children never need to work a day in their lives.... I personally disagree.

One of the other questions about eternal life I've always wanted to ask the die-hard believers. There's been something between 80-120 billion "people" that have lived since what we regard as "humans" appeared. The afterlife seems like it's going to be as crowded as Walmart a day before Christmas.

That does not sound fun.

The Universe wastes absolutely nothing.
Not matter.
Not energy.
Not all the zhit we don't know we don't know.


There is no such thing as 'waste' as it applies to the universe since the value of what is wasted can only be created by humans.
 
2014-02-17 01:08:38 PM  

This About That: It is frustrating and futile to mock or argue with believers, and it is rude and inhumane to try to destroy the belief system that has sustained them through life.

 patronizingly assuming that anyone who believes deserves a bubble against criticism isn't really an improvement.
for real, you just essentially said that they're too retarded to play life without us providing them with a helmet, and probably think that was the kind and even handed thing to do.
 
2014-02-17 01:11:46 PM  

Tigger: snocone: dramboxf: Mugato: People do seem obsessed with leaving a "legacy".

Yeah. And that, to a degree, is understandable. It helps comfort and answer the question of "Why was I here? What have I left behind?" If you are a millionaire businessman, and you leave all your money to create a pediatric cancer wing at your local hospital, then that's a damn good legacy and helpfully answers that question.

If your legacy, however, is to make sure that your children and your children's children never need to work a day in their lives.... I personally disagree.

One of the other questions about eternal life I've always wanted to ask the die-hard believers. There's been something between 80-120 billion "people" that have lived since what we regard as "humans" appeared. The afterlife seems like it's going to be as crowded as Walmart a day before Christmas.

That does not sound fun.

The Universe wastes absolutely nothing.
Not matter.
Not energy.
Not all the zhit we don't know we don't know.

There is no such thing as 'waste' as it applies to the universe since the value of what is wasted can only be created by humans.


Supporting humans is very costly. They are consumers. Apex predators(maybe).
This is an investment, indicating future usefulness.
 
2014-02-17 01:13:01 PM  

This About That: It is not about Christians, or Jesus, of the Bible or even about the conceited git who made a 4-1/2 minute video mocking believers. It's about quirks of the ridiculously complicated psychology of humans and those who manipulate it. It is frustrating and futile to mock or argue with believers, and it is rude and inhumane to try to destroy the belief system that has sustained them through life. For some bit of actual understanding of the issue, I recommend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails.


This is called a trailer, for a full-length documentary.  This is creationism in creationists' own words.  But you're right; it is the farthest thing from easy for a person to really self-examine their life's philosophy and admit that it is flawed, much less demonstrably false and fantastical.  Especially when, on top of the guiding purpose of religion you also have the preached-in persecution complex.  Like that kid said about being mocked "Jesus said this would happen to us."  All avenues are covered if they choose to do so.

21-7-b: "i would love to encourage mr darwin, and others who feel just like him, to try god."


That was something, wasn't it?
 
2014-02-17 01:14:02 PM  
The latest (not sure if I saw it from Fark),  the Bible has it's characters riding camels about 1,000 before they were domesticated.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/02/140210-domesticated- ca mels-israel-bible-archaeology-science/
 
2014-02-17 01:14:53 PM  

snocone: Tigger: snocone: dramboxf: Mugato: People do seem obsessed with leaving a "legacy".

Yeah. And that, to a degree, is understandable. It helps comfort and answer the question of "Why was I here? What have I left behind?" If you are a millionaire businessman, and you leave all your money to create a pediatric cancer wing at your local hospital, then that's a damn good legacy and helpfully answers that question.

If your legacy, however, is to make sure that your children and your children's children never need to work a day in their lives.... I personally disagree.

One of the other questions about eternal life I've always wanted to ask the die-hard believers. There's been something between 80-120 billion "people" that have lived since what we regard as "humans" appeared. The afterlife seems like it's going to be as crowded as Walmart a day before Christmas.

That does not sound fun.

The Universe wastes absolutely nothing.
Not matter.
Not energy.
Not all the zhit we don't know we don't know.

There is no such thing as 'waste' as it applies to the universe since the value of what is wasted can only be created by humans.

Supporting humans is very costly. They are consumers. Apex predators(maybe).
This is an investment, indicating future usefulness.


Sigh

Only usefulness as defined by humans. Quit anthropomorphising the universe.
 
2014-02-17 01:15:15 PM  
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"People can learn to love Big Brother Jesus Christ. Through songs and slogans, through endless advertisements on telescreens television and posters and banners, through rallies and parades and processions, through hymns and chants and recitations, through games and community hikes and re-education camps, through lectures and workshops and seminars and film shows, from squads of volunteers and spontaneous demonstrations, through enforcement of official Party church doctrine in elementary schools, circulated rumors, faked photographs, and endless propaganda pumping out brainwashing vitriol on a daily basis. The people really have no choice but to love Big Brother Jesus Christ.

"Big Brother Jesus Christ is infallible and all-powerful. Every success, every achievement, every victory, every scientific discovery, all knowledge, all wisdom, all happiness, all virtue, are held to issue directly from his leadership and inspiration. His function is to act as a focusing point for love, fear, and reverence, emotions which are more easily felt toward an individual than toward an organization.

"Anyone can be brought to the bidding of their leaders through devotion and worship of a charismatic yet enigmatic figure who cannot die and no one has ever seen. His penetrating visage is everywhere, full of power and mysterious calm, the leader and guardian of everything that is right with the world. We should all voice our gratitude to Big Brother Jesus Christ for the new, happy life which his wise leadership has bestowed upon us.

"Big Brother Jesus loves you. So you must love Big Brother Jesus."
 
2014-02-17 01:23:49 PM  

This About That: It is frustrating and futile to mock or argue with believers, and it is rude and inhumane to try to destroy the belief system that has sustained them through life


Not if that belief system is destructive to society in general. How many wars are based on religion?

Or if making them analyze and question their beliefs makes them more enlightened.

No one has ever said, "You worship Kali and routinely rip people's hearts out, throw them into lava pits and enslave children, I respect your belief". Not everyone's belief has to be respected.
 
2014-02-17 01:25:42 PM  

exick: "If somewhere within the Bible, I were to find a passage that said two plus two equals five, I wouldn't question what I'm reading in the Bible. I would believe it, accept it as true, and then do my best to work it out and understand it."

Which is amusing because the Bible does in fact contend that the ratio we refer to today as pi is exactly 3. I have my doubts about his understanding of that.

Actually, while there is indeed much B.S. in the Bible, that isn't one of them. The Bible never actually says that. That's a misinterpretation perpetrated by many skeptics who failed to read what the passage actually says.

The "sea" of the Temple was round, 10 cubits in diameter ("from brim to brim"), 30 cubits in circumference ("...would compass it round about."). If that were all it said, then it would indeed be stating that π = 3, but that's not all there is. There's another measurement as well that gets ignored: the thickness of the sea was "an handsbreadth"!

In other words, it wasn't a pure mathematical circle or cylinder or hemisphere. It was a real-world physical object with thickness in its wall, so its cross-section would be a ring, not a circle. Thus, two circles are involved here: an inner one (the inner surface of the "sea"), and an outer one (its outer surface).

A "cubit" was an imprecise unit of measurement that was basically the distance between the tip of the elbow to the tip of the extended middle finger held parallel to the forearm (just as "foot" was originally the length of a certain English king's foot). The term "handsbreadth" could refer to a "palm" which is a approimately a seventh of a cubit or the thickness of the four non-thumb fingers if held upright and non-spread.(like when doing a karate chop), or it could refer to a "span" which is the width of a fully spread-out hand from thumbtip to pinkytip, of which a little over 2½ could fit into a cubit.

So, if the text "ten cubits from brim to brim" is talking about the outer brims (diameter of outer, larger circle), but "the line of thirty cubits [that] compassed it round about" referred to the inner circle's circumference (of the inner brim), and assuming that "handsbreadth" meant "palm" instead of "span," and keeping in mind that we're talking diameter instead of radius so the thickness has to be subtracted twice, then the formula is: (10 − ²/7) π which is roughly 30½ for the circumference. But seven palms is slightly yet noticeably longer than a cubit, so the amount to subtract is somewhat more than ²/7, so the resulting circumference would be closer to 30.

For dealing with imprecise units of measurement in a letter-based number system with no concept of decimal digits (or digits at all for that matter) and very little concept of fractions, that's a pretty decent approximation, actually.

Again: there is lots of silliness in the Bible, but that isn't one of them.

A better example is to have the Bible believer capture any insect, then count its legs, then read Leviticus 11:20−23. Or my favorite is to point out how a literal reading of Genesis 9:8−17, keeping in mind the actual Hebrew words used there, would not only render all rainbow-like phenomena occurring anywhere else other than "in the cloud" (e.g. the spray of a waterfall or garden hose or lawn sprinkler, the underside of a CD, refractions of a prism or diamond [or, better yet. Moissanite] or other crystal, etc.) into Satanic illusions, it also does so for double and reflection rainbows (since God only had the one "qesheth" bow, singular), but also shows that that evil science is wrong when it says that white light is made up of other colors of light, so the Christian shouldn't even be able to read this text since his or her computer display is made of red, green, and blue LCD or OLED cells (or, if older, CRT phosphor dots or stripes), and ditto every color photograph ever taken and every copy ever made or printed thereof (including in every copy of magazines), every frame of every color movie or TV show or commercial and every copy ever made thereof, etc. etc. etc., must all be Satanic illusions!
 
2014-02-17 01:27:18 PM  
Meh, 2 and 5 aren't Bible numbers. 1,3,12,and 40, sometimes 13, are.
 
Bf+
2014-02-17 01:33:03 PM  
 
2014-02-17 01:39:13 PM  

snocone: Words just don't do it.
This is a Stupid on a level beyond comprehension.


This is why you teach evolution the old fashioned way: by killing them and improving the breed.

We can't count on plagues and polio to do it anymore, people!
 
2014-02-17 01:41:02 PM  

dramboxf: Lor M. Ipsum: He must worship fat Buddha

If God created existence in his image, God is a beetle.

And I mean the bug, not the musicians. ;)


playrific.com
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-17 01:42:57 PM  
"My first wife died of cancer. My second wife has cancer, and I have cancer."

Then, dude, I'm pretty sure god despises you.
 
2014-02-17 01:54:36 PM  

COMALite J: Actually, while there is indeed much B.S. in the Bible, that isn't one of them


Too long; did read.  I'd never even heard of the Pi=3 thing until I joined Fark and started getting a lot more exposure to the crazy side of this great country; certainly never from my church across decades of attendance but then we Catholics are heretics.

Biblical literalism just takes out everything that we, all of us even biblical literalists, know about human communication, memory, and psychology.  And yet some people bite down on it HARD for LIFE.
 
2014-02-17 01:54:43 PM  
If you believe a burning bush spoke the word of God, you need help.
 
2014-02-17 01:57:02 PM  
You cannot reject a scientific idea on moral grounds.  If 2+2=4, we must accept that, consequences be damned.
 
2014-02-17 01:58:11 PM  
This is why we need to fire up those FEMA re-education camps.

/yes, I would
 
2014-02-17 02:00:32 PM  
Wow.  Angel Dague must think that Charles Darwin is still alive.  That's a whole new level if ignorance about the issue.
 
2014-02-17 02:05:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I find the concept of being able to influence the actions of an omniscient omnipotent being by muttering quietly to yourself to be even more disturbing.


YOU CANNOT PETITION THE LORD WITH PRAYER!!!!!
 
2014-02-17 02:05:39 PM  
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2014-02-17 02:12:05 PM  
"I can not fathom......" etc.......

Yep. you said it lady.

Tards that believe in creationism should be forced to live in caves where they belong.
 
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