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2014-02-17 09:32:02 AM  
Subby's just jealous they didn't invent that first.
 
2014-02-17 09:47:27 AM  
You might need to consider decaf, submitter.
 
2014-02-17 10:48:07 AM  

markie_farkie: Subby's just jealous they didn't invent that first.


Your folks may need a kidnapper/deprogrammer to fix you.
http://vandymkting.typepad.com/files/2008-12-8-how-apple-others-have -c ultivated-religious-followings---advertising-age---cmo-strategy.pdf
 
2014-02-17 10:51:34 AM  
It comes with a saucer warmer so you don't have to drink your coffee before it's cool.

If you drink cocoa from it you get a douchstache.
 
2014-02-17 10:54:07 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: markie_farkie: Subby's just jealous they didn't invent that first.

Your folks may need a kidnapper/deprogrammer to fix you.
http://vandymkting.typepad.com/files/2008-12-8-how-apple-others-have -c ultivated-religious-followings---advertising-age---cmo-strategy.pdf


I've owned Macs since 1994. Before that, I used PCs. Since 1994, I have mainly worked in Windows environments, and even had both a Mac desktop and a HP laptop with Windows at home. For what I need at home, Macs blow Windows out of the water. My wife HATED Macs when we first got married, but now she prefers our Mac to Windows. We have iPhones, iPads, and are about to upgrade our iMac. Most Mac hate boils down to "stop liking what I don't like." Are they expensive? Yes. Do I care? No. We can afford them.
 
2014-02-17 10:59:00 AM  

Nabb1: I've owned Macs since 1994. Before that, I used PCs. Since 1994, I have mainly worked in Windows environments, and even had both a Mac desktop and a HP laptop with Windows at home. For what I need at home, Macs blow Windows out of the water. My wife HATED Macs when we first got married, but now she prefers our Mac to Windows. We have iPhones, iPads, and are about to upgrade our iMac. Most Mac hate boils down to "stop liking what I don't like." Are they expensive? Yes. Do I care? No. We can afford them.


This and this and that.

Windows utter lack of security BS keeps me employed, but for home creative, and 95% of my work productivity, I use my iMac.

That I bought in 2006.

That still serves my needs quite nicely.

Yes, it's getting a little long in the tooth, won't render HD in realtime, and so on, but it's served me well and has more than paid for itself in ROI.
 
2014-02-17 11:26:23 AM  

Nabb1: Most Mac hate boils down to "stop liking what I don't like." Are they expensive? Yes. Do I care? No. We can afford them.


Have you ever had a religious discussion with a Scientologist?
 
2014-02-17 12:40:33 PM  
If it was truly an Apple coffee cup, it wouldn't be compatible with 90% of the coffee out there, but fanboys will swear it's an artistic thing and "you just don't get it."
 
2014-02-17 12:57:52 PM  
I see you pee.
 
2014-02-17 12:57:54 PM  

RedPhoenix122: it's an artistic thing and "you just don't get it."



imageshack.com
 
2014-02-17 01:15:54 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Nabb1: Most Mac hate boils down to "stop liking what I don't like." Are they expensive? Yes. Do I care? No. We can afford them.

Have you ever had a religious discussion with a Scientologist?


Have you raped a baby?
 
2014-02-17 01:21:56 PM  
I like heated saucers.
 
2014-02-17 01:24:17 PM  
I like Apple products, but being a fan of the company itself seems ridiculous.
 
2014-02-17 01:24:40 PM  
Looks like a crappy cup to drink from.
 
2014-02-17 01:25:19 PM  
Can't you just order more hot coffee when you're out pretending to be writing something?
 
2014-02-17 01:25:26 PM  
Congratulations, you've 3D modeled a shape that won't make it out of the kiln.
 
2014-02-17 01:28:52 PM  

grokca: Looks like a crappy cup to drink from.


It's designed so you spill on your other idevices and have to buy new ones.
 
2014-02-17 01:28:56 PM  

Nabb1: You might need to consider decaf, submitter.


markie_farkie: Subby's just jealous they didn't invent that first.



Now how did I know you two were Apple users before I even got to your (respective) second posts in this thread?
 
2014-02-17 01:29:31 PM  
Oh BTW, not Subby.
 
2014-02-17 01:34:13 PM  
i.imgur.com

/It's only a swimsuit.
 
2014-02-17 01:36:43 PM  

Nabb1: Most Mac hate boils down to "stop liking what I don't like." Are they expensive? Yes. Do I care? No. We can afford them.


It might account for some of it, but there are legitimate reasons to not like OSX, or Apple. For example, I don't like that almost all software comes digitally from an Appstore, and that Apple takes 30% off the top when retail stores used to make due with far less and I had physical media to archive or resell if I chose to.

I think some of the Mac hate has to do with the fact that Apple products are more likely to be purchased just for appearances. A Dell laptop is far more anonymous than a Macbook Air, but accomplishes the same basic user tasks of browsing the internet, writing a letter, doing some spreadsheet work, or watching some streaming video. Why spend more? I'm sure you have your reasons, but for folks like my dolt cousin, it's because "OMG SHINY".

I will compare it to cars. Kim Kardashian has a Ferrari but you know it's for appearances - she isn't tracking it, racing it, and probably barely even speeds in it. Meanwhile, some car buff would kill to actually use that car at a larger fraction of its capabilities. At the lower level, why buy a BMW if you don't care about sport suspensions and sport bucket seats? Because they aren't as anonymous or inexpensive as a Honda or a Ford.
 
2014-02-17 01:40:27 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: markie_farkie: Subby's just jealous they didn't invent that first.

Your folks may need a kidnapper/deprogrammer to fix you.
http://vandymkting.typepad.com/files/2008-12-8-how-apple-others-have -c ultivated-religious-followings---advertising-age---cmo-strategy.pdf


m0vie.files.wordpress.com

/may be obscure to younger farkers.
 
2014-02-17 01:41:11 PM  
i wonder how good the hot place/saucer is.

i've been thinking about inventing some kind of usb powered coffee cup heater, but they all seem to have the same problem.  1) you probably need a custom cup. 2) it would be nice to have more surface area touching the heating element, without making the cup dangerous to the touch.

/ cup looks dumb and could spill if used incorrectly.
 
2014-02-17 01:42:23 PM  
I mostly but not entirely hate Apple stuf but that's a pretty design.  Not sure how effectively you can heat anything off the measly USB wattage though.

/doesn't matter
/this post is about somebody's drawing
 
2014-02-17 01:42:51 PM  

pute kisses like a man: i wonder how good the hot place/saucer is.

i've been thinking about inventing some kind of usb powered coffee cup heater, but they all seem to have the same problem.  1) you probably need a custom cup. 2) it would be nice to have more surface area touching the heating element, without making the cup dangerous to the touch.

/ cup looks dumb and could spill if used incorrectly.


http://dx.com/p/usb-powered-coffee-warmer-3209

$5.12, free shipping, and is round, which is about as universal as you can get for a coffee mug. USB puts out 500mA so it can't heat any better or worse than the linked one.
 
2014-02-17 01:43:57 PM  
I don't dislike Mac. I like that it's based on UNIX. I think it's a very stable and effective OS. I just don't like the people who seem to gravitate towards Mac. All the people who owned Macs in my life were douchebag college kids who rode mopeds and listened to Wolf Eyes. The "cool" status of Mac is the not the kind of cool I like, and certainly not from that kind of person.
 
2014-02-17 01:46:21 PM  

pute kisses like a man: i wonder how good the hot place/saucer is.

i've been thinking about inventing some kind of usb powered coffee cup heater, but they all seem to have the same problem.  1) you probably need a custom cup. 2) it would be nice to have more surface area touching the heating element, without making the cup dangerous to the touch.

/ cup looks dumb and could spill if used incorrectly.


?

https://www.google.com/search?q=usb+ocffee+warmer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8& aq =t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=usb+coffee+warmer &rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=shop
 
2014-02-17 01:51:00 PM  

taurusowner: I don't dislike Mac. I like that it's based on UNIX. I think it's a very stable and effective OS. I just don't like the people who seem to gravitate towards Mac. All the people who owned Macs in my life were douchebag college kids who rode mopeds and listened to Wolf Eyes. The "cool" status of Mac is the not the kind of cool I like, and certainly not from that kind of person.


So, it's akin to "I like Jesus, but think that the majority of people who follow him are douchebags"?
 
2014-02-17 01:59:51 PM  

Gig103: pute kisses like a man: i wonder how good the hot place/saucer is.

i've been thinking about inventing some kind of usb powered coffee cup heater, but they all seem to have the same problem.  1) you probably need a custom cup. 2) it would be nice to have more surface area touching the heating element, without making the cup dangerous to the touch.

/ cup looks dumb and could spill if used incorrectly.

http://dx.com/p/usb-powered-coffee-warmer-3209

$5.12, free shipping, and is round, which is about as universal as you can get for a coffee mug. USB puts out 500mA so it can't heat any better or worse than the linked one.


BafflerMeal: pute kisses like a man: i wonder how good the hot place/saucer is.

i've been thinking about inventing some kind of usb powered coffee cup heater, but they all seem to have the same problem.  1) you probably need a custom cup. 2) it would be nice to have more surface area touching the heating element, without making the cup dangerous to the touch.

/ cup looks dumb and could spill if used incorrectly.

?

https://www.google.com/search?q=usb+ocffee+warmer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8& aq =t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=usb+coffee+warmer &rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=shop


i know they exist.  they just aren't all that good.  they might be able to keep coffee warmer for a little while longer, but I have more demanding needs.

i use a french press at work, and by about cup 2 or 3, it's barely lukewarm.  so, I want a device that would seriously keep the coffee warm, or even warm it up from lukewarm.
 
2014-02-17 02:24:17 PM  

markie_farkie: Nabb1: I've owned Macs since 1994. Before that, I used PCs. Since 1994, I have mainly worked in Windows environments, and even had both a Mac desktop and a HP laptop with Windows at home. For what I need at home, Macs blow Windows out of the water. My wife HATED Macs when we first got married, but now she prefers our Mac to Windows. We have iPhones, iPads, and are about to upgrade our iMac. Most Mac hate boils down to "stop liking what I don't like." Are they expensive? Yes. Do I care? No. We can afford them.

This and this and that.

Windows utter lack of security BS keeps me employed, but for home creative, and 95% of my work productivity, I use my iMac.

That I bought in 2006.

That still serves my needs quite nicely.

Yes, it's getting a little long in the tooth, won't render HD in realtime, and so on, but it's served me well and has more than paid for itself in ROI.


My main desktop is a PC, that I've had since 2007, I can play all of the games that still come out to this day. Quality has dipped a bit, but it still works.

I also use this for video encoding / converting (does AVI to DVD in 45 minutes) and all of my web development. I spent $700 on a processor, ram, hdd, motherboard and video card. What did yours cost? 2-3,000?

Windows utter lack of security? Except for almost daily patches and had support of products that are over 10 years old (I'm looking at you XP), and an entire industry developed from any problems. I have MS Security Essentials and that's it, no infections, no problems. Mac's have no defense, their defense is security in obscurity. Mac has security problems as well (they lose all of the hack a day events), let's not pretend it's 'safe'. 

As a note, I've fixed probably 200+ computers for people and jobs, 99% of the time there are blue screens or serious slowdown, etc. It's caused from people either downloading bad stuff (like torrents that say they are movies, but are zips of horrible malware), going to sketchy porn sites, no ad-blockers, etc, and getting infected from said bad source. These people then turn around and blame Windows for problems they caused themselves. 

Windows gives you much more freedom to do whatever you want on your computer. It also allows you to fix problems and diagnose issues much more easily than on a Mac where their advice is to take it back to the manufacturer essentially. Apple's sandbox is better for security in that people don't have the freedom to do whatever they want.

That's what it comes down to. Do you want a dictated, scripted experience on a computer, or do you want a free, unscripted experience?
 
2014-02-17 02:33:26 PM  

pute kisses like a man: so, I want a device that would seriously keep the coffee warm, or even warm it up from lukewarm



http://www.amazon.com/Desktop-heated-coffee-tea-warmer/dp/B0046DNT4Q /r ef=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1392665461&sr=8-2&keywords=coffee+warmer

We don't need to reinvent the wheel all the time.
 
2014-02-17 02:36:59 PM  

MayoSlather: I like Apple products, but being a fan of the company itself seems ridiculous.


Yeah. I've been wanting a macbook because I like having a unix environment for programming, and while I like and use linux, it's a pain to have to switch operating systems every time I want to watch something on netflix or use office 13 (currently rated as garbage on wine).

But of course no one actually chooses between mac and windows based on their needs. It's only because OMG THEY'RE A MAC FANBOY.
 
2014-02-17 02:39:35 PM  
Just don't drink from it whilst eating crackers in this place
 
2014-02-17 02:45:00 PM  
phimuskapsi:

That's what it comes down to. Do you want a dictated, scripted experience on a computer, or do you want a free, unscripted experience?

You are asking a question that you already know the answer too.

Don't bother trying to tell them anything about security either.  They don't understand it - hence why the Mac was a better choice for them.  Also they refuse to acknowledge that Windows 7 exists... so they can keep making the same tired and inaccurate points over and over.

I mean you are arguing with a guy who seems to think that still usable computers from 2006 are a miracle for which only Apple can provide.  If I where to guess... most PCs in use today are at least as old.  The usable life of a computer has increased tremendously in recent years.  That is why PC sales are down.  But you cannot tell these things to the good members of The Cult of Cupertino.  They do not heed the words of the infidels, for their faith is strong.
 
2014-02-17 02:45:10 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: MayoSlather: I like Apple products, but being a fan of the company itself seems ridiculous.

Yeah. I've been wanting a macbook because I like having a unix environment for programming, and while I like and use linux, it's a pain to have to switch operating systems every time I want to watch something on netflix or use office 13 (currently rated as garbage on wine).

But of course no one actually chooses between mac and windows based on their needs. It's only because OMG THEY'RE A MAC FANBOY.


I like my iProducts, but they are still consumer electronics as far as I am concerned. Not a lifestyle choice or a personal statement.
 
2014-02-17 02:46:38 PM  

phimuskapsi: markie_farkie: Nabb1: I've owned Macs since 1994. Before that, I used PCs. Since 1994, I have mainly worked in Windows environments, and even had both a Mac desktop and a HP laptop with Windows at home. For what I need at home, Macs blow Windows out of the water. My wife HATED Macs when we first got married, but now she prefers our Mac to Windows. We have iPhones, iPads, and are about to upgrade our iMac. Most Mac hate boils down to "stop liking what I don't like." Are they expensive? Yes. Do I care? No. We can afford them.

This and this and that.

Windows utter lack of security BS keeps me employed, but for home creative, and 95% of my work productivity, I use my iMac.

That I bought in 2006.

That still serves my needs quite nicely.

Yes, it's getting a little long in the tooth, won't render HD in realtime, and so on, but it's served me well and has more than paid for itself in ROI.

My main desktop is a PC, that I've had since 2007, I can play all of the games that still come out to this day. Quality has dipped a bit, but it still works.

I also use this for video encoding / converting (does AVI to DVD in 45 minutes) and all of my web development. I spent $700 on a processor, ram, hdd, motherboard and video card. What did yours cost? 2-3,000?

Windows utter lack of security? Except for almost daily patches and had support of products that are over 10 years old (I'm looking at you XP), and an entire industry developed from any problems. I have MS Security Essentials and that's it, no infections, no problems. Mac's have no defense, their defense is security in obscurity. Mac has security problems as well (they lose all of the hack a day events), let's not pretend it's 'safe'. 

As a note, I've fixed probably 200+ computers for people and jobs, 99% of the time there are blue screens or serious slowdown, etc. It's caused from people either downloading bad stuff (like torrents that say they are movies, but are zips of horrible malware), going to sketchy porn sites, no ad-blockers, etc, and getting infected from said bad source. These people then turn around and blame Windows for problems they caused themselves. 

Windows gives you much more freedom to do whatever you want on your computer. It also allows you to fix problems and diagnose issues much more easily than on a Mac where their advice is to take it back to the manufacturer essentially. Apple's sandbox is better for security in that people don't have the freedom to do whatever they want.

That's what it comes down to. Do you want a dictated, scripted experience on a computer, or do you want a free, unscripted experience?


I realize this is the smash Mac users thread, but what percentage of people who buy computers really care that much about having a scripted experience vs an unscripted experience?

How many people care outside of simply wanting to check their mail and surf Facebook?

Your point out the people you have to deal with who screw up their machines by downloading bad torrents or going to sketchy sites. Those people are the majority, and on the whole they just want to watch porn or download music.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying the tech fanboys are the only ones who care. Most everyone else just wants to play candy crush.
 
2014-02-17 02:52:16 PM  
img.fark.net

Created in Photoshop on my Macbook Pro
 
2014-02-17 02:52:23 PM  

Nabb1: I like my iProducts, but they are still consumer electronics as far as I am concerned. Not a lifestyle choice or a personal statement.


Exactly.
 
2014-02-17 02:54:45 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: MayoSlather: I like Apple products, but being a fan of the company itself seems ridiculous.

Yeah. I've been wanting a macbook because I like having a unix environment for programming, and while I like and use linux, it's a pain to have to switch operating systems every time I want to watch something on netflix or use office 13 (currently rated as garbage on wine).

But of course no one actually chooses between mac and windows based on their needs. It's only because OMG THEY'RE A MAC FANBOY.


I have a variety of reasons that I don't like Macs. Price, proprietary hardware/software, UI/UX, peripherals, lack of general compatibility. If you don't mind the cost, don't mind having more limited hardware/software choices, like the UI, and like the available peripherals and accompanying functionality, more power to you. I really couldn't begin to care what someone else chooses to spend their money on.

I use both Ubuntu and Windows OSs on a regular basis, my primary machine is Windows because linux vms work a lot better than windows vms do, and because I like to play games.

Have you considered/tried Cygwin?
 
2014-02-17 02:56:10 PM  
So, we're supposed to be poutraged about a shiatty design that isn't even in production, around which a pointless blog post has been wrapped like the Times around a particularly less-than-fresh fish?
 
2014-02-17 02:57:35 PM  

pute kisses like a man: i use a french press at work, and by about cup 2 or 3, it's barely lukewarm. so, I want a device that would seriously keep the coffee warm, or even warm it up from lukewarm.


Gotcha ... I think you need something powered with AC power to achieve that. Shouldn't be a problem in a cube or office, just not on the road which these USB things are made for.

Or, you might be better off with an insulated or dual-wall french press. Two quick (but not inexpensive options):

http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinox-Double-Walled-French-Press/dp/B002KOA V8 0

http://www.amazon.com/Frieling-Brushed-Stainless-French-36-Ounce/dp/ B0 04XGBMB8/ref=sr_1_2?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1392667001&sr=1-2&keywor ds=frieling+french+press
 
2014-02-17 02:58:27 PM  

Nabb1: Because People in power are Stupid: markie_farkie: Subby's just jealous they didn't invent that first.

Your folks may need a kidnapper/deprogrammer to fix you.
http://vandymkting.typepad.com/files/2008-12-8-how-apple-others-have -c ultivated-religious-followings---advertising-age---cmo-strategy.pdf

I've owned Macs since 1994. Before that, I used PCs. Since 1994, I have mainly worked in Windows environments, and even had both a Mac desktop and a HP laptop with Windows at home. For what I need at home, Macs blow Windows out of the water. My wife HATED Macs when we first got married, but now she prefers our Mac to Windows. We have iPhones, iPads, and are about to upgrade our iMac. Most Mac hate boils down to "stop liking what I don't like." Are they expensive? Yes. Do I care? No. We can afford them.


Always think of this flyer in regards to Apple fans.

www.geekologie.com
 
2014-02-17 02:59:41 PM  

kasmel: Have you considered/tried Cygwin?


Yeah, I didn't really care for it.
 
2014-02-17 03:05:31 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: kasmel: Have you considered/tried Cygwin?

Yeah, I didn't really care for it.


Fair enough. I've found that it's useful for things like ssh/scp, but hardly a linux replacement.
 
2014-02-17 03:11:02 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-17 03:44:31 PM  
The designer that thought of that mouse-over fade for the images needs to have his web-developer license revoked, and then shot out back for good measure.

/Hates where web design trends are going.
 
2014-02-17 03:47:13 PM  

Gig103: pute kisses like a man: i use a french press at work, and by about cup 2 or 3, it's barely lukewarm. so, I want a device that would seriously keep the coffee warm, or even warm it up from lukewarm.

Gotcha ... I think you need something powered with AC power to achieve that. Shouldn't be a problem in a cube or office, just not on the road which these USB things are made for.

Or, you might be better off with an insulated or dual-wall french press. Two quick (but not inexpensive options):

http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinox-Double-Walled-French-Press/dp/B002KOA V8 0

http://www.amazon.com/Frieling-Brushed-Stainless-French-36-Ounce/dp/ B0 04XGBMB8/ref=sr_1_2?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1392667001&sr=1-2&keywor ds=frieling+french+press


yeah, i actually think the challenge is looking for usb powered, where an AC powered device could have the power to do it.

and, that could work in the office setting.

what i should try to make is some kind of fancy sized koozy to wrap around the press.  that might actually be the easiest and cheapest fix... since i could do that with leftover koozies, some scissors, and maybe some duct tape.

/ i'm sure it would look beautiful also.
 
2014-02-17 04:05:03 PM  
Eh, the shape of the cup is no sillier than a dozen other product-placement/advertising dealies that get shoved into my hands by various companies every year.

The only pants-on-head bit is (1) putting a heating coil hot enough to keep coffee hot in a low-insulation cup right under your hand and (2) powering it off USB for ultimate inconvenience and inefficiency.

// I don't really have any hate for Apple product-wise, not since they gave up on their proprietary hardware/software deal and started just making completely standard PCs (Unix on a x86 3rd-party architecture).  I am somewhat amused by Apple fans that don't seem to realize that the company's still going because they  gave up and are now essentially building the same machines as Dell, though, and look down on them a bit for paying a premium for purely cosmetic stuff the same as for any other product.
 
2014-02-17 04:09:38 PM  

pute kisses like a man: Gig103: pute kisses like a man: i use a french press at work, and by about cup 2 or 3, it's barely lukewarm. so, I want a device that would seriously keep the coffee warm, or even warm it up from lukewarm.

Gotcha ... I think you need something powered with AC power to achieve that. Shouldn't be a problem in a cube or office, just not on the road which these USB things are made for.

Or, you might be better off with an insulated or dual-wall french press. Two quick (but not inexpensive options):

http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinox-Double-Walled-French-Press/dp/B002KOA V8 0

http://www.amazon.com/Frieling-Brushed-Stainless-French-36-Ounce/dp/ B0 04XGBMB8/ref=sr_1_2?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1392667001&sr=1-2&keywor ds=frieling+french+press

yeah, i actually think the challenge is looking for usb powered, where an AC powered device could have the power to do it.

and, that could work in the office setting.

what i should try to make is some kind of fancy sized koozy to wrap around the press.  that might actually be the easiest and cheapest fix... since i could do that with leftover koozies, some scissors, and maybe some duct tape.

/ i'm sure it would look beautiful also.


Or, you know, you could pour the coffee into a thermal carafe, thermos, or commuter mug while you go about dismantling and cleaning out your press.
 
2014-02-17 04:10:08 PM  

pute kisses like a man: i use a french press at work, and by about cup 2 or 3, it's barely lukewarm. so, I want a device that would seriously keep the coffee warm, or even warm it up from lukewarm.


Most coffee people recommend decanting from a french press because the grounds continue to steep even after the plunger, making it bitter if you keep it in the french press too long. If you get a really nice Zojirushi bottle, it will keep something hot for 5-6 hours. Try pouring your coffee from your french press into that, and you eliminate the need for power. You'll pay for it, but it'll last you a long time.
 
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