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(WBTV 3 Charlotte)   Southerners not used to dealing with snow apparently don't know where to dispose of it. "It's just insensitive. The handicapped have enough obstacles to deal with everyday so were we don't need to make their life harder and that's what's happening"   (wbtv.com ) divider line
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2014-02-17 11:25:23 AM  
Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.


Hahaha, yeah, it was one of those widespread unintentional systematic coinkydinks.
 
2014-02-17 11:27:03 AM  

oldfarthenry: Turning a negative into a positive:
[i1151.photobucket.com image 800x600]
(Not sure how many handicap vans are buried in the snowbank)


That's awesome, eh!
 
2014-02-17 11:30:54 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Are the handicapped people making handicapped faces?


I lol'ed.
(Have that song has my ringtone)
 
2014-02-17 11:31:33 AM  
"It's just insensitive," said Pat Cotham. "[The handicapped] have enough obstacles to deal with everyday so were we don't need to make their life harder and that's what's happening."

I don't know which is more retarded, dumping the snow in the handicap spaces, the language used here which seems to indicate that they actually believe the snow was dumped there to intentionally make it some kind of challenge getting into the spot, or this headline.  It's a downhill race in the back of a shopping cart.
 
2014-02-17 11:32:27 AM  
How long till a story about somebody receiving an angry letter from an HOA busy body about their snow pile gets green lit?
 
2014-02-17 11:35:44 AM  

MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?


Uhhh, no.  Space for snow would just end up being wasted space for 11 and 3/4 months out of the year.  Most of the time it just ends up piled in the spaces furthest from the door, or near the grass islands in the parking lot.
 
2014-02-17 11:35:55 AM  

kitsuneymg: Oh this thread again?

I seem to remember last time it happened someone posted a dozen or so pictures of handicap spots with snow piles In them from up north.

Plenty of stuff to make fun of down here and you pick a non issue? Wow.


Up here in the frozen wasteland of Minnesota this sort of thing would likely result in fines, a newspaper article or one on the evening news, and the retailer would roll over on the plow company so fast it would effect the Earth's rotation. That plow company would likely have a period where new contracts would be a little hard to come by. Nothing permanent, because frankly, we likely will need the plow.

Since Charlotte did not get the memo, here it is: In cases of plowable snow, you push it to the farthest reach of the lot, where you take it as both a practical matter and as matter of pride to pile it up as high as possible, seeking the ability to classify the pile as a recognized terrain feature. If your lot is to small to do this you have it hauled out a vacant (and approved by the owner) lot or field. And then you wait for the melt.

Add for this being a "non issue" - EABOD. When you are old and wrinkled, just had a hip replaced, and need to get some necessary item or god forbid just want to re-engage with society, I hope you remember it was a non issue each time you find a handicapped space filled by a pile of some sort.

/the only thing separating all of us from being handicapped is age and one bad fall.
 
2014-02-17 11:37:30 AM  

Alphakronik: Call me insensitive, but if the handicapped are truly equal to everyone else, they can park like everyone else without special spots up front.


I'll go one further -- handicapped folks aren't allowed to park in normal spots.  This should be enforced as much as the other direction.
 
2014-02-17 11:40:09 AM  

darkjezter: This isn't just limited to the south.  In Washington D.C. the whole city shuts down if a single snowflake hits the ground.

Meanwhile, here in the Rockies, they don't even close schools if two feet of snow falls.  From Kindergarten until my senior year of high school I never had a single day of school canceled because of snow.


I had one snow day for the 8 years I lived in Alaska.  Several others for extreme cold but not snow.  I can't fault them for closing schools when two feet of sleet fell and froze the snowplows to the ground.
 
2014-02-17 11:41:30 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Are the handicapped people making handicapped faces?


I was thinking the same thing!
 
2014-02-17 11:43:50 AM  

GoodyearPimp: Alphakronik: Call me insensitive, but if the handicapped are truly equal to everyone else, they can park like everyone else without special spots up front.

I'll go one further -- handicapped folks aren't allowed to park in normal spots.  This should be enforced as much as the other direction.


So for once THEY know what its like to not be able to park within a mile of the store!  I just love seeing row upon row of empty parking spaces with "handicap only" on them while I push a cart past them on my 20 minute hike back to my car.
 
2014-02-17 11:44:50 AM  

Bendal: MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?

Uhhh, no.  Space for snow would just end up being wasted space for 11 and 3/4 months out of the year.  Most of the time it just ends up piled in the spaces furthest from the door, or near the grass islands in the parking lot.



I'm in MD- we regularly get snow, but not the approximate 2 ft we got last week. Was just at Target- we have small berms for piling snow, but not that much. Amazingly enough, the snow was NOT piled in the handicapped spots but at the back of the lot.
My apartment complex snowblows the handicapped spots everytime we get snow. It is just what non-dickish adults do.

Why does snow seem to bring out the worst in people?
 
2014-02-17 11:44:52 AM  

TNel: darkjezter: This isn't just limited to the south.  In Washington D.C. the whole city shuts down if a single snowflake hits the ground.

Meanwhile, here in the Rockies, they don't even close schools if two feet of snow falls.  From Kindergarten until my senior year of high school I never had a single day of school canceled because of snow.

It's almost like places that are used to getting large amounts of snow have the infrastructure in place to deal with it or something!

Thanks Ric would have never realized that one.


Yep.  Once every few years, they'll mistime the forecast, or some ass at the OPM will want to show that he's not afraid of a little snow, and they'll have people at work or on the beltway when the snow falls.  Always a clusterfark.  The area experiences debilitating congestion when it's sunny and 75 degrees, what the fark do people think is going to happen when driving conditions deteriorate?
 
2014-02-17 11:47:52 AM  
So the handicapped will have to walk, hobble or roll an exra 8 feet or so? The humanity!!!
 
2014-02-17 11:51:25 AM  

baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?


My weather forecast this week:

ftpcontent4.worldnow.com

Buffalo, NY's weather forecast this week:

media2.wivb.com

But WE'RE the dummies.

/"That's right Christie, keep telling yourself that."
 
2014-02-17 11:52:09 AM  
The handicapped have enough obstacles to deal with everyday so were we don't need to make their life harder and that's what's happening"

i1136.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-17 11:52:53 AM  
And this makes them different HOW?
 
2014-02-17 11:54:15 AM  

GoodyearPimp: I'll go one further -- handicapped folks aren't allowed to park in normal spots.  This should be enforced as much as the other direction.


Why? Not all disabilities that impair the ability to walk long distances are uniformly bad all the time. The handicapped person may feel that if they are having a "good day" that they should leave that space open for someone else who needs it more than them at that particular time. Either you are ignorant of what can constitute disability, or you haven't really thought this through.

I don't have a handicapped parking permit because I don't feel I really need one yet, but I do have a genetic neurological disease that causes muscle atrophy in my legs. Part of what that means is that my legs get fatigued much faster than other people do (meaning they start to feel like they are encased in concrete blocks). On days where I've used up all of my strength doing something else, walking less for parking would be a great thing for me. On days where I haven't done as much walking around, I might well not need the closer parking just for a trip to a store or something. Why should you be dictating to the disabled person what they "need" to do, when you have no idea what their needs are?

Disability is a much more varied thing than just "people in wheelchairs".
 
2014-02-17 11:57:46 AM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?

My weather forecast this week:

[ftpcontent4.worldnow.com image 600x450]

Buffalo, NY's weather forecast this week:

[media2.wivb.com image 640x360]

But WE'RE the dummies.

/"That's right Christie, keep telling yourself that."


Oh, I actually mean south of the Canada/US border.
 
2014-02-17 11:57:49 AM  

trappedspirit: "It's just insensitive," said Pat Cotham. "[The handicapped] have enough obstacles to deal with everyday so were we don't need to make their life harder and that's what's happening."

I don't know which is more retarded, dumping the snow in the handicap spaces, the language used here which seems to indicate that they actually believe the snow was dumped there to intentionally make it some kind of challenge getting into the spot, or this headline.  It's a downhill race in the back of a shopping cart.


Which language are you referring to? Insensitivity doesn't necessarily imply that it was done intentionally; that could just mean that it was done without a thought for how it would affect some people. And I'd say that that is an accurate statement if the article's account of what was happening is actually accurate (a big if, given that it's the news media).

I don't think this is a particularly big problem, and it's not going to matter in a few days anyway, but I don't think that the language used there is implying what you seem to think it is.
 
2014-02-17 11:59:45 AM  
Ordinarily I would think that you had two brain cells to rub together, you'd be able to figure out "pile it all up in the corner furthest from the building" even if you live in somewhere that doesn't get much snow.  But here's the South coming through and lowering the bar once again.
 
2014-02-17 12:01:30 PM  
www.newmobility.com
 
2014-02-17 12:01:48 PM  

EyeballKid: MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?

That, or coloreds. Ooops, I mean, "socialists."


It's all about race with you people.
 
2014-02-17 12:01:52 PM  
Serious question:  Can you do donuts in a hoverround?
 
2014-02-17 12:04:04 PM  

Mael99: GoodyearPimp: Alphakronik: Call me insensitive, but if the handicapped are truly equal to everyone else, they can park like everyone else without special spots up front.

I'll go one further -- handicapped folks aren't allowed to park in normal spots.  This should be enforced as much as the other direction.

So for once THEY know what its like to not be able to park within a mile of the store!  I just love seeing row upon row of empty parking spaces with "handicap only" on them while I push a cart past them on my 20 minute hike back to my car.


You're all trolling right?
 
2014-02-17 12:07:22 PM  

Alphakronik: Call me insensitive, but if the handicapped are truly equal to everyone else, they can park like everyone else without special spots up front.


No one says that they are "equal to everyone else" in capabilities. They CANNOT do certain activities, like walking long distances easily, like everyone else. That's the point.

The point of handicapped spaces isn't to give some sort of consolation prize or perk to people who were unlucky enough to end up disabled. The point is that without them they may be entirely unable to perform certain tasks unassisted. If there isn't a close spot available when you pull into Wal-Mart to buy your HFCS juice, you can just park further away and walk. Some disabled people would simply have to leave and come back. That's why there are generally enough handicapped spots to guarantee that some will be available at all times. You should feel lucky that you're able to walk any distance to your car rather than resentful that you're walking past empty handicapped spots, because I guarantee you that most handicapped people would gladly trade with you if they could.
 
2014-02-17 12:08:09 PM  

baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?


I'm hearing that in a Bugs Bunny accent....
 
2014-02-17 12:09:03 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: You're all trolling right?


Probably they are, but their idiocy is also expressed seriously fairly frequently by a large portion of the population. So I don't really care if I'm being trolled; I'm going to respond to it sometimes, in the hopes of getting someone else (other than the trolls) to think about it a little differently.
 
2014-02-17 12:14:06 PM  

Mnemia: Bedstead Polisher: You're all trolling right?

Probably they are, but their idiocy is also expressed seriously fairly frequently by a large portion of the population. So I don't really care if I'm being trolled; I'm going to respond to it sometimes, in the hopes of getting someone else (other than the trolls) to think about it a little differently.


I was trying to come up with a response to all that above, when I only could hope that it was a troll.
I don't understand people who circle parking lots for 1/2 an hour to find a spot close by when they could park further away and be in and out of the store by then. If walking such a distance is that difficult, perhaps they should apply for a handicapped permit.
 
2014-02-17 12:15:14 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?

My weather forecast this week:

[ftpcontent4.worldnow.com image 600x450]

Buffalo, NY's weather forecast this week:

[media2.wivb.com image 640x360]

But WE'RE the dummies.

/"That's right Christie, keep telling yourself that."


In Western NY at this time of year, that's a heatwave.
 
2014-02-17 12:16:42 PM  
I spent a fair amount of time in a wheelchair after a nasty accident.  It was my casual observation that probably about 75% of the folks parking in a handicap do not need a parking spot next to the door.
 
2014-02-17 12:16:51 PM  

TheNewJesus: Southerners apparently need someone to take care of them, constantly.

Not impressed.


I seem to remember a certain meme about a knocked over lawn chair...
 
2014-02-17 12:17:14 PM  
you can't park in a non-handicapped space if you have a hoverround.

and I bet there are a lot of hoverrounds around there.
 
2014-02-17 12:18:21 PM  

EyeballKid: MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?

That, or coloreds. Ooops, I mean, "socialists."


I used to work with a fellow that used the code word "Democrats". As in, "you should be careful in that part of town, it has a lot of 'democrats'. "

/code words are all the rage now.
 
2014-02-17 12:19:09 PM  

minoridiot: I spent a fair amount of time in a wheelchair after a nasty accident.  It was my casual observation that probably about 75% of the folks parking in a handicap do not need a parking spot next to the door.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2014-02-17 12:19:13 PM  
Bedstead Polisher:
I don't understand people who circle parking lots for 1/2 an hour to find a spot close by when they could park further away and be in and out of the store by then. If walking such a distance is that difficult, perhaps they should apply for a handicapped permit.

That's just laziness and/or stupidity, which is a different affliction (although it will probably be a recognized disability in America before long). I think I read on Fark a while back that someone actually studied this issue and it's usually the fastest strategy to just take the first parking spot you see rather than searching for a closer one. Of course, that requires walking a short distance further, something that Americans drive their cars everywhere because they want to avoid at all costs.
 
2014-02-17 12:19:50 PM  
Perhaps if people hadn't become so accustomed to seeing so many unused parking spaces, while everyone else has to jockey for empty spots on the fringes of the acres-large lots, they wouldn't look at those spaces as "generally unused space that might as well be used for something useful", like pushing aside that scraped ice and snow.   Instead of businesses being able to adjust those spaces to reasonably accommodate how many handicapped people are actually among their customers, they are forced to reserve what ends up being many more wasted spaces.  It's no wonder that so many people look upon them as little more than inconvenience and waste.
 
2014-02-17 12:19:53 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: They're also the kind of people that look at handicapped parking spaces and think "Man, handicapped people have it good".


Or as Homer Simpson once said, "I wish I was handicapped."
 
2014-02-17 12:19:57 PM  
Handicapped spaces are among the few things I actually agree with in terms of parking lot design.  So much to a point that it really does make me nuts when I see some jerkoff park in one of those spaces, with nothing more than a tag hanging from their mirror, and they obviously have no physical impairment at all.  They likely borrowed the tag from a relative or something.

There is a reason those spots exists.  To make use of them when you don't need them is reprehensible.
To pile snow in them, and prevent people from using them is just as bad.
 
2014-02-17 12:21:44 PM  

minoridiot: I spent a fair amount of time in a wheelchair after a nasty accident.  It was my casual observation that probably about 75% of the folks parking in a handicap do not need a parking spot next to the door.


A huge proportion of them are family members, etc, using their disabled relative's placard illegally. Others are people who are only marginally disabled (e.g., they have slight exercise intolerance from heart disease) but have a doctor who will sign the form. I'm all for tightening up the standards, but I also don't think that it's that big of a deal that some people abuse it. In the end, it's just parking, not the end of the world.
 
2014-02-17 12:22:28 PM  
OK, the south votes Republican, almost universally.  Please tell me how quickly the GOP has been "Learning from it's mistakes"....This isn't news....The GOP-south simply doesn't do that 'learning thing'.
 
2014-02-17 12:23:17 PM  

capt.hollister: Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.

So, they just grew there ?


Ever hear of a Cleveland Steamer?

images.somethingawful.com

It just didn't fall from the sky.
 
2014-02-17 12:23:57 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?

My weather forecast this week:

[ftpcontent4.worldnow.com image 600x450]

Buffalo, NY's weather forecast this week:

[media2.wivb.com image 640x360]

But WE'RE the dummies.

/"That's right Christie, keep telling yourself that."


...you realize that Buffalo is 300+ miles from Jersey, right?
 
2014-02-17 12:24:18 PM  

offmymeds: capt.hollister: Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.

So, they just grew there ?

Ever hear of a Cleveland Steamer?

[images.somethingawful.com image 293x475]

It just didn't fall from the sky.


you asshole.. I am eating lunch!
 
2014-02-17 12:25:48 PM  
It all balances out, because as they were covering the handicapped spots, they were saying "Bless their hearts."
 
2014-02-17 12:26:11 PM  
While we in the South may have a difficult time dealing with things like snow, I do find it amusing how rabidly people who actually deal with snow regularly are dumping on the South about its issues.  But hey, anything to help ease that seasonal depression right guys? Glad we can help.  Now just let me look at my 5 day forecast. Ah yes, 65, 74, 74, 79, 78, 74.
 
2014-02-17 12:27:50 PM  

Private_Citizen: EyeballKid: MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?

That, or coloreds. Ooops, I mean, "socialists."

I used to work with a fellow that used the code word "Democrats". As in, "you should be careful in that part of town, it has a lot of 'democrats'. "

/code words are all the rage now.


Final solution to the Democrat problem...   that does sound better than "lynching."

I hope the people who object to having to walk past the empty handicapped spots are lucky enough to merit handicapped status soon.
 
2014-02-17 12:28:30 PM  

Mnemia: That's just laziness and/or stupidity, which is a different affliction (although it will probably be a recognized disability in America before long). I think I read on Fark a while back that someone actually studied this issue and it's usually the fastest strategy to just take the first parking spot you see rather than searching for a closer one. Of course, that requires walking a short distance further, something that Americans drive their cars everywhere because they want to avoid at all costs.


I park next to the cart return.  Yeah it's 30 feet further away but I know I will have a cart so it usually works better to take those spots.
 
2014-02-17 12:29:01 PM  

htomc: Perhaps if people hadn't become so accustomed to seeing so many unused parking spaces, while everyone else has to jockey for empty spots on the fringes of the acres-large lots, they wouldn't look at those spaces as "generally unused space that might as well be used for something useful", like pushing aside that scraped ice and snow.   Instead of businesses being able to adjust those spaces to reasonably accommodate how many handicapped people are actually among their customers, they are forced to reserve what ends up being many more wasted spaces.  It's no wonder that so many people look upon them as little more than inconvenience and waste.


The problem is that businesses a) have no clue about what proportion of their customers are actually disabled; b) have no real right to know anyway; c) have no real way to know, because not all disabilities affecting walking are as obvious as a wheelchair; and d) are not going to accommodate them even if they did know, unless forced. If left to self-regulate, many businesses would simply decide that they don't give a shiat about the disabled at all, and that they see more of a gain in increasing convenience for the majority of their customers slightly. That's why we needed regulation of this issue in the first place.

And again, the spaces being empty a good portion of the time does not mean that they are not serving any useful purpose. It means that the disabled person will always be likely to be able to get close parking when they go to that store. If they were always close to fully utilized, a lot of the time the disabled would simply have to turn around and not shop there. How frequently do you have to completely abandon a shopping trip because of lack of parking? That's why it makes sense to err on the side of having more disabled parking. And again, it is not a big inconvenience to have to walk slightly further when you are able-bodied.
 
2014-02-17 12:29:33 PM  
Yeah.

Here when it snows the best thing to do in a parking lot is just not to plow it at all.

The snow will melt in a few days at most, not infrequently within a day, cars running over it will speed the process up.

Piles of snow take longer to melt.
 
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