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(WBTV 3 Charlotte)   Southerners not used to dealing with snow apparently don't know where to dispose of it. "It's just insensitive. The handicapped have enough obstacles to deal with everyday so were we don't need to make their life harder and that's what's happening"   (wbtv.com) divider line 167
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-17 09:43:25 AM  
You'd think they would have learned their lesson after the previous storm.
 
2014-02-17 09:49:57 AM  
The problem with this story is that it was written yesterday.  At the time of its publication (this morning), all the snow in Charlotte has melted.
 
2014-02-17 10:28:18 AM  
Why don't they just park in the fire lane?

Lucky LaRue: The problem with this story is that it was written yesterday.  At the time of its publication (this morning), all the snow in Charlotte has melted.


Snowpiles like that don't melt in one day.
 
2014-02-17 10:30:37 AM  
That's an asshole move
 
2014-02-17 10:34:34 AM  
Southerners apparently need someone to take care of them, constantly.

Not impressed.
 
2014-02-17 10:35:43 AM  
They're also the kind of people that look at handicapped parking spaces and think "Man, handicapped people have it good".
 
2014-02-17 10:38:02 AM  
Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.

S
o, they just grew there ?
 
2014-02-17 10:38:24 AM  
Are the handicapped people making handicapped faces?
 
2014-02-17 10:38:58 AM  
they did that because its more profitable to keep the general paying public with spots to park, as there are more of them than handicapped people. Its all about the dollars and access.
 
2014-02-17 10:39:20 AM  

capt.hollister: Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.

So, they just grew there ?


I bet the same plow driver did multiple lots and decided to stick it to those entitled people who park in the handicapped spots but aren't really handicapped.  So, the jokes on them.
 
2014-02-17 10:39:57 AM  

TheNewJesus: Southerners apparently need someone to take care of them, constantly.


Seems so.
 
2014-02-17 10:40:05 AM  
They just need an ADA troll to try and park and then nail them with half a dozen lawsuits for $1K statutory damages each. They'll stop doing it.
 
2014-02-17 10:41:56 AM  
southern hospitality
 
2014-02-17 10:42:00 AM  
I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?
 
2014-02-17 10:42:11 AM  

ZAZ: You'd think they would have learned...


Based on what? When did this last happen?
 
2014-02-17 10:42:17 AM  
What I don't understand is that a business probably doesn't want mounds of snow right in front of their store.

This looks to be more like the businesses didn't want to pay that much to plow and the snow plow drivers being annoyed
 
2014-02-17 10:42:29 AM  
How nice. Bless their hearts.
 
2014-02-17 10:43:10 AM  

MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?


That, or coloreds. Ooops, I mean, "socialists."
 
2014-02-17 10:43:38 AM  
Oh this thread again?

I seem to remember last time it happened someone posted a dozen or so pictures of handicap spots with snow piles In them from up north.

Plenty of stuff to make fun of down here and you pick a non issue? Wow.
 
2014-02-17 10:43:55 AM  

capt.hollister: Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.

So, they just grew there ?


Well, they're consistent, so that's nice.
 
2014-02-17 10:45:00 AM  

kitsuneymg: Oh this thread again?

I seem to remember last time it happened someone posted a dozen or so pictures of handicap spots with snow piles In them from up north.

Plenty of stuff to make fun of down here and you pick a non issue? Wow.


What's nice is we can shiat on all of it.
 
2014-02-17 10:46:06 AM  
Why would you pile the snow in the spaces closest to the doors?  Because you're a farking moron (or underpaid).
 
2014-02-17 10:46:23 AM  
This isn't just limited to the south.  In Washington D.C. the whole city shuts down if a single snowflake hits the ground.

Meanwhile, here in the Rockies, they don't even close schools if two feet of snow falls.  From Kindergarten until my senior year of high school I never had a single day of school canceled because of snow.
 
2014-02-17 10:48:25 AM  
Sure pick on the South.  At least we don't try to claim parking spots with lawn chairs.
 
2014-02-17 10:51:16 AM  
Anyone here in the Nertheast knows what big snow looks like - for the first time in many years.

We went out to Old Navy the other day, and my son and I were cracking up at how HUGE the mountains of snow were.  We're talking the size of a 2-story appartment building.

I really am not even sure how they got the piles so friggin big.  I didn't think front-end loaders could reach up that high.
 
2014-02-17 10:53:18 AM  
Wanted for questioning:
www.hookedonhallmark.com
 
2014-02-17 10:53:54 AM  
Maybe the perpetrators just figured that people who need handicapped parking wouldn't be out in such miserable weather.  I know that the folks of my acquaintance who need handicapped spaces don't venture out in conditions where there is any reasonable possibility that they may need to get out of their vehicle in an unhandy location - like if they were to slide into a ditch and have to walk somewhere.  I know this because some of them ask me or other friends to run errands for them in the winter that they would normally not ask.  And we're all good with that.
 
2014-02-17 10:53:54 AM  
On my way to work, I go down a street on one side of the local mall. You can't even see it from the street now. The snowbanks are big enough here to hide a shopping mall. Not for one section, along the whole street. And they're probably 40 feet deep. We're going to have snow left in June.

Handicapped spaces are still free.
 
2014-02-17 10:55:20 AM  

MylesHeartVodak: Sure pick on the South.  At least we don't try to claim parking spots with lawn chairs.


That's because you don't have "Dibs Laws" written into your state charter.  Here in Illinois, Abe Lincoln himself, saw that they were added.
 
2014-02-17 10:55:31 AM  

darkjezter: This isn't just limited to the south.  In Washington D.C. the whole city shuts down if a single snowflake hits the ground.

Meanwhile, here in the Rockies, they don't even close schools if two feet of snow falls.  From Kindergarten until my senior year of high school I never had a single day of school canceled because of snow.


It's almost like places that are used to getting large amounts of snow have the infrastructure in place to deal with it or something!

Thanks Ric would have never realized that one.
 
2014-02-17 10:57:39 AM  
Headline:  Snow piles cover handicapped spots across city

Photos: Different angles of the same pile in the same parking spot.

Sensationalist headline, or laziest photographer of all time?
 
2014-02-17 10:59:48 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: capt.hollister: Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.

So, they just grew there ?

I bet the same plow driver did multiple lots and decided to stick it to those entitled people who park in the handicapped spots but aren't really handicapped.  So, the jokes on them.


nbcoutofbounds.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-17 11:00:05 AM  

kitsuneymg: I seem to remember last time it happened someone posted a dozen or so pictures of handicap spots with snow piles In them from up north.

Plenty of stuff to make fun of down here and you pick a non issue? Wow.


You try coping with a wheelchair for a while, and then tell me it's a non issue when you can't safely park and exit the vehicle.

Wanker.
 
2014-02-17 11:01:29 AM  

Belias: Headline:  Snow piles cover handicapped spots across city

Photos: Different angles of the same pile in the same parking spot.

Sensationalist headline, or laziest photographer of all time?


Yes, but at least one of the pictures was taken at night.
 
2014-02-17 11:01:49 AM  
Just give God a ticket since it is His handiwork that is illegally occupying the handicapped spaces.

(or God could stop being such a dick and heal those with afflictions that would require they need a handicap space to begin with)
 
2014-02-17 11:02:34 AM  

MylesHeartVodak: Sure pick on the South.  At least we don't try to claim parking spots with lawn chairs.


In the German neighborhoods in Chicago, they put towels in the lawn chairs.

/obscure?
 
2014-02-17 11:03:18 AM  
(I was going to go with "Well, if the handicapped picked themselves up by their bootstraps and decided NOT to be handicapped, this would be a non-issue" but I figured that was too easy)
 
2014-02-17 11:04:00 AM  

Linux Granny: kitsuneymg: I seem to remember last time it happened someone posted a dozen or so pictures of handicap spots with snow piles In them from up north.

Plenty of stuff to make fun of down here and you pick a non issue? Wow.

You try coping with a wheelchair for a while, and then tell me it's a non issue when you can't safely park and exit the vehicle.

Wanker.


static1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-02-17 11:06:22 AM  
Call me insensitive, but if the handicapped are truly equal to everyone else, they can park like everyone else without special spots up front.
 
2014-02-17 11:06:34 AM  
In other words, slow news day.
 
2014-02-17 11:07:34 AM  
if the weather is that bad then  WHY ARE THE HANDICAPS OUT in it???

/i am handicapped
//thats why i can post at 11am
///bring in a cartful of snow to melt in the store
 
2014-02-17 11:08:28 AM  

captcaveman: In other words, slow news day.


More like snow news day... amirite? Hello? Is this thing on?
 
2014-02-17 11:14:06 AM  
Turning a negative into a positive:
i1151.photobucket.com
(Not sure how many handicap vans are buried in the snowbank)
 
2014-02-17 11:14:16 AM  
I suppose it's my turn to be the humorless twat who points out that handicapped spaces are actually, you know, kind of important for handicapped people.

Back when my dad was still alive, his MS left him barely able to walk with the help of a cane on one side and my mom holding him up on the other side... but my mom's agoraphobia meant she couldn't go to the store without him. She wasn't in such great shape herself, with diabetic neuropathy and having had part of one foot amputated. Nevertheless, they both grew up during the Great Depression and were stubbornly self-reliant. They were determined to take care of themselves, no matter what.

A couple of neighborhood kids would shovel their walkway when it snowed, but they absolutely insisted on going to the store themselves. In snowy or icy weather, even making it to the front of the store from a handicapped space was incredibly difficult and could take 10-15 minutes. Once inside, my dad could hang onto a cart for support while my mom shopped.

I have to admit, that really wouldn't be my choice if I were in their condition, nor would it have been my choice for them if I'd had any say -- but there was no arguing with them. My dad clung to his dignity to the very end, and the only reason my mom isn't still living alone and doing her own grocery shopping is that she's in the hospital on dialysis, and that's only been for the last three or four months.

So not only is it shiatty that people are dumping snow in the handicapped spaces, it *is* newsworthy, because if you're like my parents and you're sitting at home watching the news and see that the handicapped spaces at the local mall are full of snow, you know not to waste your time inching your way out to the car and driving on icy roads, because you won't be able to park when you get there.

Damn it.

/Yes, my dad could have used a wheelchair instead. He did use one at home, but he refused to be seen outside the house with it because he felt it was undignified. If you ever run into my dad in the afterlife, have fun trying to argue with him about it. That man was the original immovable object.
//Miss you, Dad.
 
2014-02-17 11:14:23 AM  
I was in Chicago two weeks ago, and handicap spots were full of snow all over the place.
 
2014-02-17 11:16:17 AM  
Around here (northern Ohio) we tend to push the snow as far away from the buildings as possible, which would make putting it in handicap spaces unproductive.

Sounds like a private company decided to make money plowing business parking lots and didn't know what the hell they were doing. Especially since those are tiny snow piles.
 
2014-02-17 11:19:44 AM  
This is shiate.  There are literally like 12 handicap spots per parking area, it's always a crazy amount.  Most of the time around Atlanta it may, MAY be in one spot.
 
2014-02-17 11:20:50 AM  

oldfarthenry: Turning a negative into a positive:
[i1151.photobucket.com image 800x600]
(Not sure how many handicap vans are buried in the snowbank)


That's what Spring is for, to count the dead.
 
2014-02-17 11:22:43 AM  
People in the South aren't very smart, are they?
 
2014-02-17 11:23:20 AM  
How come my hover round isn't made better for snow?
 
2014-02-17 11:25:23 AM  
Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.


Hahaha, yeah, it was one of those widespread unintentional systematic coinkydinks.
 
2014-02-17 11:27:03 AM  

oldfarthenry: Turning a negative into a positive:
[i1151.photobucket.com image 800x600]
(Not sure how many handicap vans are buried in the snowbank)


That's awesome, eh!
 
2014-02-17 11:30:54 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Are the handicapped people making handicapped faces?


I lol'ed.
(Have that song has my ringtone)
 
2014-02-17 11:31:33 AM  
"It's just insensitive," said Pat Cotham. "[The handicapped] have enough obstacles to deal with everyday so were we don't need to make their life harder and that's what's happening."

I don't know which is more retarded, dumping the snow in the handicap spaces, the language used here which seems to indicate that they actually believe the snow was dumped there to intentionally make it some kind of challenge getting into the spot, or this headline.  It's a downhill race in the back of a shopping cart.
 
2014-02-17 11:32:27 AM  
How long till a story about somebody receiving an angry letter from an HOA busy body about their snow pile gets green lit?
 
2014-02-17 11:35:44 AM  

MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?


Uhhh, no.  Space for snow would just end up being wasted space for 11 and 3/4 months out of the year.  Most of the time it just ends up piled in the spaces furthest from the door, or near the grass islands in the parking lot.
 
2014-02-17 11:35:55 AM  

kitsuneymg: Oh this thread again?

I seem to remember last time it happened someone posted a dozen or so pictures of handicap spots with snow piles In them from up north.

Plenty of stuff to make fun of down here and you pick a non issue? Wow.


Up here in the frozen wasteland of Minnesota this sort of thing would likely result in fines, a newspaper article or one on the evening news, and the retailer would roll over on the plow company so fast it would effect the Earth's rotation. That plow company would likely have a period where new contracts would be a little hard to come by. Nothing permanent, because frankly, we likely will need the plow.

Since Charlotte did not get the memo, here it is: In cases of plowable snow, you push it to the farthest reach of the lot, where you take it as both a practical matter and as matter of pride to pile it up as high as possible, seeking the ability to classify the pile as a recognized terrain feature. If your lot is to small to do this you have it hauled out a vacant (and approved by the owner) lot or field. And then you wait for the melt.

Add for this being a "non issue" - EABOD. When you are old and wrinkled, just had a hip replaced, and need to get some necessary item or god forbid just want to re-engage with society, I hope you remember it was a non issue each time you find a handicapped space filled by a pile of some sort.

/the only thing separating all of us from being handicapped is age and one bad fall.
 
2014-02-17 11:37:30 AM  

Alphakronik: Call me insensitive, but if the handicapped are truly equal to everyone else, they can park like everyone else without special spots up front.


I'll go one further -- handicapped folks aren't allowed to park in normal spots.  This should be enforced as much as the other direction.
 
2014-02-17 11:40:09 AM  

darkjezter: This isn't just limited to the south.  In Washington D.C. the whole city shuts down if a single snowflake hits the ground.

Meanwhile, here in the Rockies, they don't even close schools if two feet of snow falls.  From Kindergarten until my senior year of high school I never had a single day of school canceled because of snow.


I had one snow day for the 8 years I lived in Alaska.  Several others for extreme cold but not snow.  I can't fault them for closing schools when two feet of sleet fell and froze the snowplows to the ground.
 
2014-02-17 11:41:30 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Are the handicapped people making handicapped faces?


I was thinking the same thing!
 
2014-02-17 11:43:50 AM  

GoodyearPimp: Alphakronik: Call me insensitive, but if the handicapped are truly equal to everyone else, they can park like everyone else without special spots up front.

I'll go one further -- handicapped folks aren't allowed to park in normal spots.  This should be enforced as much as the other direction.


So for once THEY know what its like to not be able to park within a mile of the store!  I just love seeing row upon row of empty parking spaces with "handicap only" on them while I push a cart past them on my 20 minute hike back to my car.
 
2014-02-17 11:44:50 AM  

Bendal: MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?

Uhhh, no.  Space for snow would just end up being wasted space for 11 and 3/4 months out of the year.  Most of the time it just ends up piled in the spaces furthest from the door, or near the grass islands in the parking lot.



I'm in MD- we regularly get snow, but not the approximate 2 ft we got last week. Was just at Target- we have small berms for piling snow, but not that much. Amazingly enough, the snow was NOT piled in the handicapped spots but at the back of the lot.
My apartment complex snowblows the handicapped spots everytime we get snow. It is just what non-dickish adults do.

Why does snow seem to bring out the worst in people?
 
2014-02-17 11:44:52 AM  

TNel: darkjezter: This isn't just limited to the south.  In Washington D.C. the whole city shuts down if a single snowflake hits the ground.

Meanwhile, here in the Rockies, they don't even close schools if two feet of snow falls.  From Kindergarten until my senior year of high school I never had a single day of school canceled because of snow.

It's almost like places that are used to getting large amounts of snow have the infrastructure in place to deal with it or something!

Thanks Ric would have never realized that one.


Yep.  Once every few years, they'll mistime the forecast, or some ass at the OPM will want to show that he's not afraid of a little snow, and they'll have people at work or on the beltway when the snow falls.  Always a clusterfark.  The area experiences debilitating congestion when it's sunny and 75 degrees, what the fark do people think is going to happen when driving conditions deteriorate?
 
2014-02-17 11:47:52 AM  
So the handicapped will have to walk, hobble or roll an exra 8 feet or so? The humanity!!!
 
2014-02-17 11:51:25 AM  

baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?


My weather forecast this week:

ftpcontent4.worldnow.com

Buffalo, NY's weather forecast this week:

media2.wivb.com

But WE'RE the dummies.

/"That's right Christie, keep telling yourself that."
 
2014-02-17 11:52:09 AM  
The handicapped have enough obstacles to deal with everyday so were we don't need to make their life harder and that's what's happening"

i1136.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-17 11:52:53 AM  
And this makes them different HOW?
 
2014-02-17 11:54:15 AM  

GoodyearPimp: I'll go one further -- handicapped folks aren't allowed to park in normal spots.  This should be enforced as much as the other direction.


Why? Not all disabilities that impair the ability to walk long distances are uniformly bad all the time. The handicapped person may feel that if they are having a "good day" that they should leave that space open for someone else who needs it more than them at that particular time. Either you are ignorant of what can constitute disability, or you haven't really thought this through.

I don't have a handicapped parking permit because I don't feel I really need one yet, but I do have a genetic neurological disease that causes muscle atrophy in my legs. Part of what that means is that my legs get fatigued much faster than other people do (meaning they start to feel like they are encased in concrete blocks). On days where I've used up all of my strength doing something else, walking less for parking would be a great thing for me. On days where I haven't done as much walking around, I might well not need the closer parking just for a trip to a store or something. Why should you be dictating to the disabled person what they "need" to do, when you have no idea what their needs are?

Disability is a much more varied thing than just "people in wheelchairs".
 
2014-02-17 11:57:46 AM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?

My weather forecast this week:

[ftpcontent4.worldnow.com image 600x450]

Buffalo, NY's weather forecast this week:

[media2.wivb.com image 640x360]

But WE'RE the dummies.

/"That's right Christie, keep telling yourself that."


Oh, I actually mean south of the Canada/US border.
 
2014-02-17 11:57:49 AM  

trappedspirit: "It's just insensitive," said Pat Cotham. "[The handicapped] have enough obstacles to deal with everyday so were we don't need to make their life harder and that's what's happening."

I don't know which is more retarded, dumping the snow in the handicap spaces, the language used here which seems to indicate that they actually believe the snow was dumped there to intentionally make it some kind of challenge getting into the spot, or this headline.  It's a downhill race in the back of a shopping cart.


Which language are you referring to? Insensitivity doesn't necessarily imply that it was done intentionally; that could just mean that it was done without a thought for how it would affect some people. And I'd say that that is an accurate statement if the article's account of what was happening is actually accurate (a big if, given that it's the news media).

I don't think this is a particularly big problem, and it's not going to matter in a few days anyway, but I don't think that the language used there is implying what you seem to think it is.
 
2014-02-17 11:59:45 AM  
Ordinarily I would think that you had two brain cells to rub together, you'd be able to figure out "pile it all up in the corner furthest from the building" even if you live in somewhere that doesn't get much snow.  But here's the South coming through and lowering the bar once again.
 
2014-02-17 12:01:30 PM  
www.newmobility.com
 
2014-02-17 12:01:48 PM  

EyeballKid: MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?

That, or coloreds. Ooops, I mean, "socialists."


It's all about race with you people.
 
2014-02-17 12:01:52 PM  
Serious question:  Can you do donuts in a hoverround?
 
2014-02-17 12:04:04 PM  

Mael99: GoodyearPimp: Alphakronik: Call me insensitive, but if the handicapped are truly equal to everyone else, they can park like everyone else without special spots up front.

I'll go one further -- handicapped folks aren't allowed to park in normal spots.  This should be enforced as much as the other direction.

So for once THEY know what its like to not be able to park within a mile of the store!  I just love seeing row upon row of empty parking spaces with "handicap only" on them while I push a cart past them on my 20 minute hike back to my car.


You're all trolling right?
 
2014-02-17 12:07:22 PM  

Alphakronik: Call me insensitive, but if the handicapped are truly equal to everyone else, they can park like everyone else without special spots up front.


No one says that they are "equal to everyone else" in capabilities. They CANNOT do certain activities, like walking long distances easily, like everyone else. That's the point.

The point of handicapped spaces isn't to give some sort of consolation prize or perk to people who were unlucky enough to end up disabled. The point is that without them they may be entirely unable to perform certain tasks unassisted. If there isn't a close spot available when you pull into Wal-Mart to buy your HFCS juice, you can just park further away and walk. Some disabled people would simply have to leave and come back. That's why there are generally enough handicapped spots to guarantee that some will be available at all times. You should feel lucky that you're able to walk any distance to your car rather than resentful that you're walking past empty handicapped spots, because I guarantee you that most handicapped people would gladly trade with you if they could.
 
2014-02-17 12:08:09 PM  

baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?


I'm hearing that in a Bugs Bunny accent....
 
2014-02-17 12:09:03 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: You're all trolling right?


Probably they are, but their idiocy is also expressed seriously fairly frequently by a large portion of the population. So I don't really care if I'm being trolled; I'm going to respond to it sometimes, in the hopes of getting someone else (other than the trolls) to think about it a little differently.
 
2014-02-17 12:14:06 PM  

Mnemia: Bedstead Polisher: You're all trolling right?

Probably they are, but their idiocy is also expressed seriously fairly frequently by a large portion of the population. So I don't really care if I'm being trolled; I'm going to respond to it sometimes, in the hopes of getting someone else (other than the trolls) to think about it a little differently.


I was trying to come up with a response to all that above, when I only could hope that it was a troll.
I don't understand people who circle parking lots for 1/2 an hour to find a spot close by when they could park further away and be in and out of the store by then. If walking such a distance is that difficult, perhaps they should apply for a handicapped permit.
 
2014-02-17 12:15:14 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?

My weather forecast this week:

[ftpcontent4.worldnow.com image 600x450]

Buffalo, NY's weather forecast this week:

[media2.wivb.com image 640x360]

But WE'RE the dummies.

/"That's right Christie, keep telling yourself that."


In Western NY at this time of year, that's a heatwave.
 
2014-02-17 12:16:42 PM  
I spent a fair amount of time in a wheelchair after a nasty accident.  It was my casual observation that probably about 75% of the folks parking in a handicap do not need a parking spot next to the door.
 
2014-02-17 12:16:51 PM  

TheNewJesus: Southerners apparently need someone to take care of them, constantly.

Not impressed.


I seem to remember a certain meme about a knocked over lawn chair...
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-02-17 12:17:14 PM  
you can't park in a non-handicapped space if you have a hoverround.

and I bet there are a lot of hoverrounds around there.
 
2014-02-17 12:18:21 PM  

EyeballKid: MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?

That, or coloreds. Ooops, I mean, "socialists."


I used to work with a fellow that used the code word "Democrats". As in, "you should be careful in that part of town, it has a lot of 'democrats'. "

/code words are all the rage now.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-02-17 12:19:09 PM  

minoridiot: I spent a fair amount of time in a wheelchair after a nasty accident.  It was my casual observation that probably about 75% of the folks parking in a handicap do not need a parking spot next to the door.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2014-02-17 12:19:13 PM  
Bedstead Polisher:
I don't understand people who circle parking lots for 1/2 an hour to find a spot close by when they could park further away and be in and out of the store by then. If walking such a distance is that difficult, perhaps they should apply for a handicapped permit.

That's just laziness and/or stupidity, which is a different affliction (although it will probably be a recognized disability in America before long). I think I read on Fark a while back that someone actually studied this issue and it's usually the fastest strategy to just take the first parking spot you see rather than searching for a closer one. Of course, that requires walking a short distance further, something that Americans drive their cars everywhere because they want to avoid at all costs.
 
2014-02-17 12:19:50 PM  
Perhaps if people hadn't become so accustomed to seeing so many unused parking spaces, while everyone else has to jockey for empty spots on the fringes of the acres-large lots, they wouldn't look at those spaces as "generally unused space that might as well be used for something useful", like pushing aside that scraped ice and snow.   Instead of businesses being able to adjust those spaces to reasonably accommodate how many handicapped people are actually among their customers, they are forced to reserve what ends up being many more wasted spaces.  It's no wonder that so many people look upon them as little more than inconvenience and waste.
 
2014-02-17 12:19:53 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: They're also the kind of people that look at handicapped parking spaces and think "Man, handicapped people have it good".


Or as Homer Simpson once said, "I wish I was handicapped."
 
2014-02-17 12:19:57 PM  
Handicapped spaces are among the few things I actually agree with in terms of parking lot design.  So much to a point that it really does make me nuts when I see some jerkoff park in one of those spaces, with nothing more than a tag hanging from their mirror, and they obviously have no physical impairment at all.  They likely borrowed the tag from a relative or something.

There is a reason those spots exists.  To make use of them when you don't need them is reprehensible.
To pile snow in them, and prevent people from using them is just as bad.
 
2014-02-17 12:21:44 PM  

minoridiot: I spent a fair amount of time in a wheelchair after a nasty accident.  It was my casual observation that probably about 75% of the folks parking in a handicap do not need a parking spot next to the door.


A huge proportion of them are family members, etc, using their disabled relative's placard illegally. Others are people who are only marginally disabled (e.g., they have slight exercise intolerance from heart disease) but have a doctor who will sign the form. I'm all for tightening up the standards, but I also don't think that it's that big of a deal that some people abuse it. In the end, it's just parking, not the end of the world.
 
2014-02-17 12:22:28 PM  
OK, the south votes Republican, almost universally.  Please tell me how quickly the GOP has been "Learning from it's mistakes"....This isn't news....The GOP-south simply doesn't do that 'learning thing'.
 
2014-02-17 12:23:17 PM  

capt.hollister: Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.

So, they just grew there ?


Ever hear of a Cleveland Steamer?

images.somethingawful.com

It just didn't fall from the sky.
 
2014-02-17 12:23:57 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?

My weather forecast this week:

[ftpcontent4.worldnow.com image 600x450]

Buffalo, NY's weather forecast this week:

[media2.wivb.com image 640x360]

But WE'RE the dummies.

/"That's right Christie, keep telling yourself that."


...you realize that Buffalo is 300+ miles from Jersey, right?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-02-17 12:24:18 PM  

offmymeds: capt.hollister: Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.

So, they just grew there ?

Ever hear of a Cleveland Steamer?

[images.somethingawful.com image 293x475]

It just didn't fall from the sky.


you asshole.. I am eating lunch!
 
2014-02-17 12:25:48 PM  
It all balances out, because as they were covering the handicapped spots, they were saying "Bless their hearts."
 
2014-02-17 12:26:11 PM  
While we in the South may have a difficult time dealing with things like snow, I do find it amusing how rabidly people who actually deal with snow regularly are dumping on the South about its issues.  But hey, anything to help ease that seasonal depression right guys? Glad we can help.  Now just let me look at my 5 day forecast. Ah yes, 65, 74, 74, 79, 78, 74.
 
2014-02-17 12:27:50 PM  

Private_Citizen: EyeballKid: MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?

That, or coloreds. Ooops, I mean, "socialists."

I used to work with a fellow that used the code word "Democrats". As in, "you should be careful in that part of town, it has a lot of 'democrats'. "

/code words are all the rage now.


Final solution to the Democrat problem...   that does sound better than "lynching."

I hope the people who object to having to walk past the empty handicapped spots are lucky enough to merit handicapped status soon.
 
2014-02-17 12:28:30 PM  

Mnemia: That's just laziness and/or stupidity, which is a different affliction (although it will probably be a recognized disability in America before long). I think I read on Fark a while back that someone actually studied this issue and it's usually the fastest strategy to just take the first parking spot you see rather than searching for a closer one. Of course, that requires walking a short distance further, something that Americans drive their cars everywhere because they want to avoid at all costs.


I park next to the cart return.  Yeah it's 30 feet further away but I know I will have a cart so it usually works better to take those spots.
 
2014-02-17 12:29:01 PM  

htomc: Perhaps if people hadn't become so accustomed to seeing so many unused parking spaces, while everyone else has to jockey for empty spots on the fringes of the acres-large lots, they wouldn't look at those spaces as "generally unused space that might as well be used for something useful", like pushing aside that scraped ice and snow.   Instead of businesses being able to adjust those spaces to reasonably accommodate how many handicapped people are actually among their customers, they are forced to reserve what ends up being many more wasted spaces.  It's no wonder that so many people look upon them as little more than inconvenience and waste.


The problem is that businesses a) have no clue about what proportion of their customers are actually disabled; b) have no real right to know anyway; c) have no real way to know, because not all disabilities affecting walking are as obvious as a wheelchair; and d) are not going to accommodate them even if they did know, unless forced. If left to self-regulate, many businesses would simply decide that they don't give a shiat about the disabled at all, and that they see more of a gain in increasing convenience for the majority of their customers slightly. That's why we needed regulation of this issue in the first place.

And again, the spaces being empty a good portion of the time does not mean that they are not serving any useful purpose. It means that the disabled person will always be likely to be able to get close parking when they go to that store. If they were always close to fully utilized, a lot of the time the disabled would simply have to turn around and not shop there. How frequently do you have to completely abandon a shopping trip because of lack of parking? That's why it makes sense to err on the side of having more disabled parking. And again, it is not a big inconvenience to have to walk slightly further when you are able-bodied.
 
2014-02-17 12:29:33 PM  
Yeah.

Here when it snows the best thing to do in a parking lot is just not to plow it at all.

The snow will melt in a few days at most, not infrequently within a day, cars running over it will speed the process up.

Piles of snow take longer to melt.
 
2014-02-17 12:30:34 PM  

DubtodaIll: While we in the South may have a difficult time dealing with things like snow, I do find it amusing how rabidly people who actually deal with snow regularly are dumping on the South about its issues.  But hey, anything to help ease that seasonal depression right guys? Glad we can help.  Now just let me look at my 5 day forecast. Ah yes, 65, 74, 74, 79, 78, 74.


Pfft, whatever.  It's 26 here.  Farking heat wave.

/plus 5-7 inches of snow
 
2014-02-17 12:32:16 PM  

d23: offmymeds: capt.hollister: Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.

So, they just grew there ?

Ever hear of a Cleveland Steamer?

[images.somethingawful.com image 293x475]

It just didn't fall from the sky.

you asshole.. I am eating lunch!


www.all-about-laughter.com
 
2014-02-17 12:32:17 PM  

durbnpoisn: Handicapped spaces are among the few things I actually agree with in terms of parking lot design.  So much to a point that it really does make me nuts when I see some jerkoff park in one of those spaces, with nothing more than a tag hanging from their mirror, and they obviously have no physical impairment at all.  They likely borrowed the tag from a relative or something.

There is a reason those spots exists.  To make use of them when you don't need them is reprehensible.
To pile snow in them, and prevent people from using them is just as bad.


While I agree with you mostly (and this is why I don't have one yet: my condition is not yet bad enough that I think I should be taking up that parking) you should be careful about this. Not all disabilities are equally visible to a stranger. For example, I wear leg braces that can be totally concealed under my pants. Although for the most part I agree that there are a lot of people abusing these permits by using ones issued to someone else, etc, I would never go an confront someone in public over it unless I KNEW that's what they were doing. Because there are invisible disabilities.
 
2014-02-17 12:33:09 PM  

TheNewJesus: Southerners apparently need someone to take care of them, constantly.

Not impressed.


Some entire areas are 100% handicapped, as far as I can tell.
 
2014-02-17 12:37:44 PM  

d23: offmymeds: capt.hollister: Cotham believes the snow piles weren't purposefully pushed into handicapped spots, but she was still surprised that the incident wasn't isolated but instead widespread.

So, they just grew there ?

Ever hear of a Cleveland Steamer?

[images.somethingawful.com image 293x475]

It just didn't fall from the sky.

you asshole.. I am eating lunch!


Is it a "hot lunch"? :D
 
2014-02-17 12:43:38 PM  

Mnemia: durbnpoisn: Handicapped spaces are among the few things I actually agree with in terms of parking lot design.  So much to a point that it really does make me nuts when I see some jerkoff park in one of those spaces, with nothing more than a tag hanging from their mirror, and they obviously have no physical impairment at all.  They likely borrowed the tag from a relative or something.

There is a reason those spots exists.  To make use of them when you don't need them is reprehensible.
To pile snow in them, and prevent people from using them is just as bad.

While I agree with you mostly (and this is why I don't have one yet: my condition is not yet bad enough that I think I should be taking up that parking) you should be careful about this. Not all disabilities are equally visible to a stranger. For example, I wear leg braces that can be totally concealed under my pants. Although for the most part I agree that there are a lot of people abusing these permits by using ones issued to someone else, etc, I would never go an confront someone in public over it unless I KNEW that's what they were doing. Because there are invisible disabilities.


Yeah, I understand that.  And I have made the initial mistake of thinking someone was poaching a space at first, only to see them limping in an odd manner.  Or, to see someone park, who is just fine, but then help their 900 year old grandmother out of the back seat. In those cases, I take my bad feelings back.

But I've seen people who are perfectly healthy pull up, pull the tag out of the glove box just to hang it on the mirror, and almost jog into the store.  I so feel like giving those people a punch in the kidney.
 
2014-02-17 12:44:40 PM  

MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?


Well, no parking lots are. When it becomes a problem, it's just plowed in a pile somewhere. Usually they do this far away from the doors because, duh, having huge piles of snow where everyone is walking and parking is inconvenient. I'm guessing the plow folks are just lazy/incompetent.
 
2014-02-17 12:46:26 PM  

Mnemia: trappedspirit: "It's just insensitive," said Pat Cotham. "[The handicapped] have enough obstacles to deal with everyday so were we don't need to make their life harder and that's what's happening."

I don't know which is more retarded, dumping the snow in the handicap spaces, the language used here which seems to indicate that they actually believe the snow was dumped there to intentionally make it some kind of challenge getting into the spot, or this headline.  It's a downhill race in the back of a shopping cart.

Which language are you referring to? Insensitivity doesn't necessarily imply that it was done intentionally; that could just mean that it was done without a thought for how it would affect some people. And I'd say that that is an accurate statement if the article's account of what was happening is actually accurate (a big if, given that it's the news media).

I don't think this is a particularly big problem, and it's not going to matter in a few days anyway, but I don't think that the language used there is implying what you seem to think it is.


Well sure, you can be insensitive to something you are oblivious or ignorant of, but the captain obvious comment after that seemed to indicate that something other than simple recognition of where the snow was going was necessary for correction of this situation.
 
2014-02-17 12:47:33 PM  
How hard is it to bring someone out with a leaf blower and a McLeod? Seriously, break up the snowpile and employ the leaf blower. The blower's motor cycles air near the hotter parts of the machine, which heats the air to above ambient temperature. That combined with the steady airflow will melt the snow pretty quickly.

Seriously, you idiots don't know how to handle a snowstorm at all, do you...
 
2014-02-17 12:48:40 PM  
It is bad enough that I must drag race those little old ladies in their Cadillacs to get a handicapped spot at WalMart and now I must park on top of the snow?
 
2014-02-17 12:48:49 PM  

EyeballKid: ZAZ: You'd think they would have learned...

Based on what? When did this last happen?


Last week?
 
2014-02-17 12:50:44 PM  
Here in FL we call handicapped spaces "yankee lanes" because 90% of them are filled with cars with plates from Ohio, NY, and Pennsylvania.
 
2014-02-17 12:52:57 PM  

aseras: They just need an ADA troll to try and park and then nail them with half a dozen lawsuits for $1K statutory damages each. They'll stop doing it.


The OC Weekly did an exposé on one of those a while back. TLDR: he didn't sue his lawyer, whose office space had similar offenses.

/And I learned I could hate a handicapped person
 
2014-02-17 12:53:01 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Here in FL we call handicapped spaces "yankee lanes" because 90% of them are filled with cars with plates from Ohio, NY, and Pennsylvania.


I would think "snow bird perch" would be more appropriate.
 
2014-02-17 12:53:32 PM  

durbnpoisn: But I've seen people who are perfectly healthy pull up, pull the tag out of the glove box just to hang it on the mirror, and almost jog into the store. I so feel like giving those people a punch in the kidney.


Not disagreeing, but if yuu're using a temp tag (around here at least) you're supposed to put it up only after parking.  They take up a big chunk of your view when driving.

/Had a temp tag once for one of the "invisible" disabilities.
//Got better
///Getting worse again.
 
2014-02-17 12:53:37 PM  

bikerbob59: EyeballKid: ZAZ: You'd think they would have learned...

Based on what? When did this last happen?

Last week?


No, no, not snowing in the South...Southerners learning something!
 
2014-02-17 12:56:38 PM  

darkjezter: This isn't just limited to the south.  In Washington D.C. the whole city shuts down if a single snowflake hits the ground.

Meanwhile, here in the Rockies, they don't even close schools if two feet of snow falls.  From Kindergarten until my senior year of high school I never had a single day of school canceled because of snow.


Growing up in Montana we never had a "snow day" from school. Closest we came was when the temp dropped to -40 (C or F, your pick) and they announced that if the buses don't start, they'll call it off for the day. The buses started.
 
2014-02-17 12:57:07 PM  

trappedspirit: Well sure, you can be insensitive to something you are oblivious or ignorant of, but the captain obvious comment after that seemed to indicate that something other than simple recognition of where the snow was going was necessary for correction of this situation.


I still don't follow your reasoning here. The second part of the statement you quoted doesn't imply that it was necessarily intentional, either. You can make someone's life harder even without meaning to, if you are insensitive to the fact that you are doing so. People do that all the time, and this is just another instance of that. And I don't follow what you are saying when you claim that the statement "seemed to indicate that something other than simple recognition of where the snow was going was necessary for correction of this situation". Or are you referring to something different from what you quoted?
 
2014-02-17 01:01:28 PM  

durbnpoisn: Mnemia: durbnpoisn: Handicapped spaces are among the few things I actually agree with in terms of parking lot design.  So much to a point that it really does make me nuts when I see some jerkoff park in one of those spaces, with nothing more than a tag hanging from their mirror, and they obviously have no physical impairment at all.  They likely borrowed the tag from a relative or something.

There is a reason those spots exists.  To make use of them when you don't need them is reprehensible.
To pile snow in them, and prevent people from using them is just as bad.

While I agree with you mostly (and this is why I don't have one yet: my condition is not yet bad enough that I think I should be taking up that parking) you should be careful about this. Not all disabilities are equally visible to a stranger. For example, I wear leg braces that can be totally concealed under my pants. Although for the most part I agree that there are a lot of people abusing these permits by using ones issued to someone else, etc, I would never go an confront someone in public over it unless I KNEW that's what they were doing. Because there are invisible disabilities.

Yeah, I understand that.  And I have made the initial mistake of thinking someone was poaching a space at first, only to see them limping in an odd manner.  Or, to see someone park, who is just fine, but then help their 900 year old grandmother out of the back seat. In those cases, I take my bad feelings back.

But I've seen people who are perfectly healthy pull up, pull the tag out of the glove box just to hang it on the mirror, and almost jog into the store.  I so feel like giving those people a punch in the kidney.


I'm in a wheelchair right now and will be for about another month or so. The local mall here has very few handicap spots.  Last time we went there I had to have my husband drop me off at the curb and find a place to park. If I was tring to go out by myself I would have either driven around for an hour hoping someone left or just went home. I'm also learning how horrible access able most places seem to be. Sure there is a ramp but it's down a dark snow filled alley
 
2014-02-17 01:01:43 PM  

LarryDan43: How come my hover round isn't made better for snow?


Doesn't a hoverround hover *above* the snow?

\that'd be cool
\\like snow
 
2014-02-17 01:04:56 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: Mael99: GoodyearPimp: Alphakronik: Call me insensitive, but if the handicapped are truly equal to everyone else, they can park like everyone else without special spots up front.

I'll go one further -- handicapped folks aren't allowed to park in normal spots.  This should be enforced as much as the other direction.

So for once THEY know what its like to not be able to park within a mile of the store!  I just love seeing row upon row of empty parking spaces with "handicap only" on them while I push a cart past them on my 20 minute hike back to my car.

You're all trolling right?


Maybe. But I will admit having noticed FAR more handicapped spaces than are necessary at times. Most notably the four spaces in front of the convenience store near my house. ALL FOUR. It was kind of hilarious to routinely see mini traffic jams in the rest of the parking lot while all of the spots in front remained open. Also noteworthy are the quarter mile of handicapped spots (always at least 1/2 empty and usually 9/10) hoardes of people walk past on the way into Six Flags.

///I generally park far away; my legs work fine, walking is good for me, door dings suck. I'm not against a lot of handicapped spaces. But at times objectively it seems there are far more than there should be.
 
2014-02-17 01:09:08 PM  
I've taken to digging out the handicapped spot at my apartment complex. I figure my neighbor who parks there won't be getting out to do it herself, so someone should.

It's a nice sentiment, except after I did that two days in a row, the douche bag who parked next to her took all the heavy snow from his spot and dumped it behind her car. It froze the next night, so now she has this dense pile of ice/snow chunks piled up to her bumper. Unless she gets the maintenance staff to take some real tools to it, she's waiting for it to melt; my shovel wasn't doing the job.

I don't get people sometimes.
 
2014-02-17 01:09:23 PM  
Umm, the sun came out and it all went away.  Took two das longer than normal, but such is life.
 
2014-02-17 01:15:38 PM  

Jument: MaritimeGirl: I'm guessing that parking lots aren't typically designed to allow for snowbanks in North Carolina?

Well, no parking lots are. When it becomes a problem, it's just plowed in a pile somewhere. Usually they do this far away from the doors because, duh, having huge piles of snow where everyone is walking and parking is inconvenient. I'm guessing the plow folks are just lazy/incompetent.


And probably overworked . In the south it's common to employ landscape crews to help out in bad weather . These guys could have been landscaping all day and got called into action if the snow came that evening . The operator may not have been thinking straight or cared after putting in 18 hours with another couple of hours to go.
 
2014-02-17 01:17:59 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: They're also the kind of people that look at handicapped parking spaces and think "Man, handicapped people have it good".


Hilarious
 
2014-02-17 01:20:19 PM  

hstein3: I've taken to digging out the handicapped spot at my apartment complex. I figure my neighbor who parks there won't be getting out to do it herself, so someone should.

It's a nice sentiment, except after I did that two days in a row, the douche bag who parked next to her took all the heavy snow from his spot and dumped it behind her car. It froze the next night, so now she has this dense pile of ice/snow chunks piled up to her bumper. Unless she gets the maintenance staff to take some real tools to it, she's waiting for it to melt; my shovel wasn't doing the job.

I don't get people sometimes.


Go get a bottle of "Magic Shell" dessert topping from your ice cream type aisle at the store. Apply this to the jerkoffs windshield when it is nice and cold out tonight.

Watch the hilarity from your window the following morning.
 
2014-02-17 01:21:54 PM  
Maybe the snow has a right to be in the handicapped space. It fell and cannot walk or run. When it is able to run it will no longer need or occupy the handicapped space.
 
2014-02-17 01:22:28 PM  

notatrollorami: Maybe. But I will admit having noticed FAR more handicapped spaces than are necessary at times. Most notably the four spaces in front of the convenience store near my house. ALL FOUR. It was kind of hilarious to routinely see mini traffic jams in the rest of the parking lot while all of the spots in front remained open. Also noteworthy are the quarter mile of handicapped spots (always at least 1/2 empty and usually 9/10) hoardes of people walk past on the way into Six Flags.

///I generally park far away; my legs work fine, walking is good for me, door dings suck. I'm not against a lot of handicapped spaces. But at times objectively it seems there are far more than there should be.


The goal of the regulations on the number of handicapped spaces is to ensure that there are always some available. Sometimes that leads to them being under-utilized, but again, that's not really a big deal. Able-bodied people are perfectly able to walk a little further, and it's good for them anyway, as you point out. Now it's true that sometimes there may well be too many for a particular lot, but that's not that big a deal.
 
2014-02-17 01:31:18 PM  

Dafatone: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?

My weather forecast this week:

[ftpcontent4.worldnow.com image 600x450]

Buffalo, NY's weather forecast this week:

[media2.wivb.com image 640x360]

But WE'RE the dummies.

/"That's right Christie, keep telling yourself that."

...you realize that Buffalo is 300+ miles from Jersey, right?


Not Christie:

24.media.tumblr.com

Christie:

web-images.chacha.com
 
2014-02-17 01:32:23 PM  

Psylence: hstein3: I've taken to digging out the handicapped spot at my apartment complex. I figure my neighbor who parks there won't be getting out to do it herself, so someone should.

It's a nice sentiment, except after I did that two days in a row, the douche bag who parked next to her took all the heavy snow from his spot and dumped it behind her car. It froze the next night, so now she has this dense pile of ice/snow chunks piled up to her bumper. Unless she gets the maintenance staff to take some real tools to it, she's waiting for it to melt; my shovel wasn't doing the job.

I don't get people sometimes.

Go get a bottle of "Magic Shell" dessert topping from your ice cream type aisle at the store. Apply this to the jerkoffs windshield when it is nice and cold out tonight.

Watch the hilarity from your window the following morning.


How frequently is your newsletter published? And will my subscription include both hardcopy and electronic formats?
 
2014-02-17 01:37:46 PM  
It's kind of funny... there are six or eight handicapped spaces at my gym, and usually one or two are taken.  The spaces generally have marked off lanes for easier egress on either side, and I think that's the main advantage to them, rather than proximity to the door.  There are a couple of regulars who tool around the gym in wheelchairs and I'm sure those spaces are helpful to them.

On the other hand, there are always a few regular folks cruising the lot looking for the closest possible parking spot.  At the gym.  Where they've presumably come to exercise.
 
2014-02-17 01:41:38 PM  

Mnemia: Alphakronik: Call me insensitive, but if the handicapped are truly equal to everyone else, they can park like everyone else without special spots up front.

No one says that they are "equal to everyone else" in capabilities. They CANNOT do certain activities, like walking long distances easily, like everyone else. That's the point.

The point of handicapped spaces isn't to give some sort of consolation prize or perk to people who were unlucky enough to end up disabled. The point is that without them they may be entirely unable to perform certain tasks unassisted. If there isn't a close spot available when you pull into Wal-Mart to buy your HFCS juice, you can just park further away and walk. Some disabled people would simply have to leave and come back. That's why there are generally enough handicapped spots to guarantee that some will be available at all times. You should feel lucky that you're able to walk any distance to your car rather than resentful that you're walking past empty handicapped spots, because I guarantee you that most handicapped people would gladly trade with you if they could.


Doesn't make sense. The spots are the same as regular spots just closer to the store. If they have to go 60 ft instead of 20 is it really any different? You make it sound like they physically cannot do without that close spot, and have to leave because of that and come back wtf u smoking?
 
2014-02-17 01:53:27 PM  

Mnemia: notatrollorami: Maybe. But I will admit having noticed FAR more handicapped spaces than are necessary at times. Most notably the four spaces in front of the convenience store near my house. ALL FOUR. It was kind of hilarious to routinely see mini traffic jams in the rest of the parking lot while all of the spots in front remained open. Also noteworthy are the quarter mile of handicapped spots (always at least 1/2 empty and usually 9/10) hoardes of people walk past on the way into Six Flags.

///I generally park far away; my legs work fine, walking is good for me, door dings suck. I'm not against a lot of handicapped spaces. But at times objectively it seems there are far more than there should be.

The goal of the regulations on the number of handicapped spaces is to ensure that there are always some available. Sometimes that leads to them being under-utilized, but again, that's not really a big deal. Able-bodied people are perfectly able to walk a little further, and it's good for them anyway, as you point out. Now it's true that sometimes there may well be too many for a particular lot, but that's not that big a deal.


Agreed on all counts. When I notice it's generally from a comedic perspective.
 
2014-02-17 01:54:27 PM  
Mralterego:
Doesn't make sense. The spots are the same as regular spots just closer to the store. If they have to go 60 ft instead of 20 is it really any different? You make it sound like they physically cannot do without that close spot, and have to leave because of that and come back wtf u smoking?

In many cases, NO, they are not "exactly the same as regular spots just closer to the store". They often have side access for wheelchair lifts and so on in otherwise closely packed parking lots.

Again, the point of the regulation is not to make the entire parking be utilized to the max all the time. The point is to make those spots available all the time. You just haven't thought about this carefully from the perspective of the people the spots are meant to help (or you're just trolling; I don't care which). And by your same argument, if an able-bodied person is forced to walk 60 feet rather than 20, what difference does it make? They are more able to do so, so it's no big deal that there are empty handicapped spots.
 
2014-02-17 01:59:06 PM  

Mralterego: If they have to go 60 ft instead of 20 is it really any different?


If everyone could park within 40 ft of the handicapped spots, nobody would be biatching about it.
 
2014-02-17 02:11:34 PM  

Mnemia: Mralterego:
Doesn't make sense. The spots are the same as regular spots just closer to the store. If they have to go 60 ft instead of 20 is it really any different? You make it sound like they physically cannot do without that close spot, and have to leave because of that and come back wtf u smoking?

In many cases, NO, they are not "exactly the same as regular spots just closer to the store". They often have side access for wheelchair lifts and so on in otherwise closely packed parking lots.

Again, the point of the regulation is not to make the entire parking be utilized to the max all the time. The point is to make those spots available all the time. You just haven't thought about this carefully from the perspective of the people the spots are meant to help (or you're just trolling; I don't care which). And by your same argument, if an able-bodied person is forced to walk 60 feet rather than 20, what difference does it make? They are more able to do so, so it's no big deal that there are empty handicapped spots.


I agree with u if the spots have side access, but I see literally dozens that are standard spots in the front of the lot that cause crazy jams that increase risk of accidents 10 fold. They should just have the middle front be handicap with side access and not all the front spots across the lot. That's my issue, nothing about being lazy just how people drive like farktards in parking lots due to them..
 
2014-02-17 02:14:36 PM  

aseras: They just need an ADA troll to try and park and then nail them with half a dozen lawsuits for $1K statutory damages each. They'll stop doing it.


I was thinking that the city should charge 250.00 per spot per day.

That's what the posted fine is.
 
2014-02-17 02:18:50 PM  

Mralterego: Mnemia: Mralterego:
Doesn't make sense. The spots are the same as regular spots just closer to the store. If they have to go 60 ft instead of 20 is it really any different? You make it sound like they physically cannot do without that close spot, and have to leave because of that and come back wtf u smoking?

In many cases, NO, they are not "exactly the same as regular spots just closer to the store". They often have side access for wheelchair lifts and so on in otherwise closely packed parking lots.

Again, the point of the regulation is not to make the entire parking be utilized to the max all the time. The point is to make those spots available all the time. You just haven't thought about this carefully from the perspective of the people the spots are meant to help (or you're just trolling; I don't care which). And by your same argument, if an able-bodied person is forced to walk 60 feet rather than 20, what difference does it make? They are more able to do so, so it's no big deal that there are empty handicapped spots.

I agree with u if the spots have side access, but I see literally dozens that are standard spots in the front of the lot that cause crazy jams that increase risk of accidents 10 fold. They should just have the middle front be handicap with side access and not all the front spots across the lot. That's my issue, nothing about being lazy just how people drive like farktards in parking lots due to them..


Ever tried to load/ unload a wheelchair with another car parked 8 inches away from you?
 
2014-02-17 02:20:28 PM  
The Bloods have all the snowplows.

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2014-02-17 02:20:41 PM  

Mralterego: Mnemia: Mralterego:
I agree with u if the spots have side access, but I see literally dozens that are standard spots in the front of the lot that cause crazy jams that increase risk of accidents 10 fold. They should just have the middle front be handicap with side access and not all the front spots across the lot. That's my issue, nothing about being lazy just how people drive like farktards in parking lots due to them..


I think you are wrongly attributing the "people drive like farktards" bit to handicapped spaces. I attribute that just to a general "most people are farktards" conclusion. If the risk of accidents is increasing 10 fold, then that's because people are driving like idiots (it doesn't really: you just made that number up). And those people would continue to drive like idiots no matter what you did to parking lots.
 
2014-02-17 02:21:04 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: baconbeard: People in the South aren't very smart, are they?

My weather forecast this week:

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Buffalo, NY's weather forecast this week:

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But WE'RE the dummies.

/"That's right Christie, keep telling yourself that."


yeah... but you live in the south.

So no matter what else, you lose.
 
2014-02-17 02:22:20 PM  
Did anyone else picture the woman who yelled at Elaine for giving muffin stumps to the homeless?
 
2014-02-17 02:23:48 PM  

Belias: Headline:  Snow piles cover handicapped spots across city

Photos: Different angles of the same pile in the same parking spot.

Sensationalist headline, or laziest photographer of all time?


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2014-02-17 02:30:54 PM  

Private_Citizen: The Googles Do Nothing: Are the handicapped people making handicapped faces?

I was thinking the same thing!


handicapped feces.
 
2014-02-17 02:33:53 PM  

La Maudite: I suppose it's my turn to be the humorless twat who points out that handicapped spaces are actually, you know, kind of important for handicapped people.

Back when my dad was still alive, his MS left him barely able to walk with the help of a cane on one side and my mom holding him up on the other side... but my mom's agoraphobia meant she couldn't go to the store without him. She wasn't in such great shape herself, with diabetic neuropathy and having had part of one foot amputated. Nevertheless, they both grew up during the Great Depression and were stubbornly self-reliant. They were determined to take care of themselves, no matter what.

A couple of neighborhood kids would shovel their walkway when it snowed, but they absolutely insisted on going to the store themselves. In snowy or icy weather, even making it to the front of the store from a handicapped space was incredibly difficult and could take 10-15 minutes. Once inside, my dad could hang onto a cart for support while my mom shopped.

I have to admit, that really wouldn't be my choice if I were in their condition, nor would it have been my choice for them if I'd had any say -- but there was no arguing with them. My dad clung to his dignity to the very end, and the only reason my mom isn't still living alone and doing her own grocery shopping is that she's in the hospital on dialysis, and that's only been for the last three or four months.

So not only is it shiatty that people are dumping snow in the handicapped spaces, it *is* newsworthy, because if you're like my parents and you're sitting at home watching the news and see that the handicapped spaces at the local mall are full of snow, you know not to waste your time inching your way out to the car and driving on icy roads, because you won't be able to park when you get there.

Damn it.

/Yes, my dad could have used a wheelchair instead. He did use one at home, but he refused to be seen outside the house with it because he felt it was undignified. If you e ...


Your dad was FDR?  :*)
 
2014-02-17 02:51:06 PM  

booger42: La Maudite: I suppose it's my turn to be the humorless twat who points out that handicapped spaces are actually, you know, kind of important for handicapped people.

Back when my dad was still alive, his MS left him barely able to walk with the help of a cane on one side and my mom holding him up on the other side... but my mom's agoraphobia meant she couldn't go to the store without him. She wasn't in such great shape herself, with diabetic neuropathy and having had part of one foot amputated. Nevertheless, they both grew up during the Great Depression and were stubbornly self-reliant. They were determined to take care of themselves, no matter what. ...

Your dad was FDR?  :*)



Maybe, maybe not... but I think my dad is doing his best to carry on in the same spirit as La Maudite's father.

/We're taking him for a CAT scan of his head after he finally admitted he's fallen twice this week (no cane for him, nosirree bob!) and now he "just doesn't feel right."
//stubborn as a mule, he is
///so I come by it honestly
////slashies
 
2014-02-17 02:53:54 PM  
hey look the mods approved another anti South link.  fark approved links are becoming as lame as FB status updates from old relatives and days later.
 
2014-02-17 02:56:47 PM  

durbnpoisn: Handicapped spaces are among the few things I actually agree with in terms of parking lot design.  So much to a point that it really does make me nuts when I see some jerkoff park in one of those spaces, with nothing more than a tag hanging from their mirror, and they obviously have no physical impairment at all.  They likely borrowed the tag from a relative or something.

There is a reason those spots exists.  To make use of them when you don't need them is reprehensible.
To pile snow in them, and prevent people from using them is just as bad.


There are reasons to use the spots that are not viable impairments. Arthritis is one of them.
 
2014-02-17 02:58:33 PM  

whatsupchuck: It's kind of funny... there are six or eight handicapped spaces at my gym, and usually one or two are taken.  The spaces generally have marked off lanes for easier egress on either side, and I think that's the main advantage to them, rather than proximity to the door.  There are a couple of regulars who tool around the gym in wheelchairs and I'm sure those spaces are helpful to them.

On the other hand, there are always a few regular folks cruising the lot looking for the closest possible parking spot.  At the gym.  Where they've presumably come to exercise.


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2014-02-17 03:00:35 PM  

Gwendolyn: durbnpoisn: Mnemia: durbnpoisn: Handicapped spaces are among the few things I actually agree with in terms of parking lot design.  So much to a point that it really does make me nuts when I see some jerkoff park in one of those spaces, with nothing more than a tag hanging from their mirror, and they obviously have no physical impairment at all.  They likely borrowed the tag from a relative or something.

There is a reason those spots exists.  To make use of them when you don't need them is reprehensible.
To pile snow in them, and prevent people from using them is just as bad.

While I agree with you mostly (and this is why I don't have one yet: my condition is not yet bad enough that I think I should be taking up that parking) you should be careful about this. Not all disabilities are equally visible to a stranger. For example, I wear leg braces that can be totally concealed under my pants. Although for the most part I agree that there are a lot of people abusing these permits by using ones issued to someone else, etc, I would never go an confront someone in public over it unless I KNEW that's what they were doing. Because there are invisible disabilities.

Yeah, I understand that.  And I have made the initial mistake of thinking someone was poaching a space at first, only to see them limping in an odd manner.  Or, to see someone park, who is just fine, but then help their 900 year old grandmother out of the back seat. In those cases, I take my bad feelings back.

But I've seen people who are perfectly healthy pull up, pull the tag out of the glove box just to hang it on the mirror, and almost jog into the store.  I so feel like giving those people a punch in the kidney.

I'm in a wheelchair right now and will be for about another month or so. The local mall here has very few handicap spots.  Last time we went there I had to have my husband drop me off at the curb and find a place to park. If I was tring to go out by myself I would have either driven around for an hour hoping someone left or just went home. I'm also learning how horrible access able most places seem to be. Sure there is a ramp but it's down a dark snow filled alley


That's what we always did for my grandma, even with a tag. Why not make her life easier dropping her off st the door then parking.
 
2014-02-17 03:01:05 PM  
The main issue being that they're dumb farking hicks.
 
2014-02-17 03:02:02 PM  

blatz514: whatsupchuck: It's kind of funny... there are six or eight handicapped spaces at my gym, and usually one or two are taken.  The spaces generally have marked off lanes for easier egress on either side, and I think that's the main advantage to them, rather than proximity to the door.  There are a couple of regulars who tool around the gym in wheelchairs and I'm sure those spaces are helpful to them.

On the other hand, there are always a few regular folks cruising the lot looking for the closest possible parking spot.  At the gym.  Where they've presumably come to exercise.

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That's a neat feature for a gym to have stairclimbers out in the sunshine there.
 
2014-02-17 03:05:47 PM  
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2014-02-17 04:06:59 PM  

Mnemia: durbnpoisn: Handicapped spaces are among the few things I actually agree with in terms of parking lot design.  So much to a point that it really does make me nuts when I see some jerkoff park in one of those spaces, with nothing more than a tag hanging from their mirror, and they obviously have no physical impairment at all.  They likely borrowed the tag from a relative or something.

There is a reason those spots exists.  To make use of them when you don't need them is reprehensible.
To pile snow in them, and prevent people from using them is just as bad.

While I agree with you mostly (and this is why I don't have one yet: my condition is not yet bad enough that I think I should be taking up that parking) you should be careful about this. Not all disabilities are equally visible to a stranger. For example, I wear leg braces that can be totally concealed under my pants. Although for the most part I agree that there are a lot of people abusing these permits by using ones issued to someone else, etc, I would never go an confront someone in public over it unless I KNEW that's what they were doing. Because there are invisible disabilities.


I remember a local TV news crew that ran a story to "reveal the abuse" of the handicap placards.

They ended up making themselves out to look like farking idiots.  They aggressively confronted one man about his ability to walk.  He lifted his shift to show the scars from an open heart operation and his pacemaker.  Another one lifted a pants leg to show his braces.  One lady had just had a hip replacement.  It went on and on, and they just kept making themselves to look like assholes.  Another had severe rheumatoid arthritis.

Not every handicap involves a wheelchair.
 
2014-02-17 04:26:26 PM  
Maybe it's time to use those bootstraps for their intended purpose, not choking your chicken, rednecks.
 
2014-02-17 04:40:05 PM  

tchau: This is shiate.  There are literally like 12 handicap spots per parking area, it's always a crazy amount.  Most of the time around Atlanta it may, MAY be in one spot.


The law requires one handicap space for every twenty five spaces, and 1/10 of those spaces has to be van accessible.
 
2014-02-17 05:45:25 PM  
Around here handicapped spots are used for shopping carts.

Won't someone think of the shopping carts?
 
2014-02-17 06:31:36 PM  
jaylectricity * * Smartest * Funniest 2014-02-17 10:28:18 AM Why don't they just park in the fire lane? Lucky LaRue: The problem with this story is that it was written yesterday. At the time of its publication (this morning), all the snow in Charlotte has melted. Snowpiles like that don't melt in one day.
========================================

Yesterday the high was 57. That can easily melt it in one day. Especially heavy-wet-barely-below-freezing snow like the south tends to get.

We have at least a solid foot of snow up here in CLeveland, but it'll take more than a 57 degree day to melt it simply because the snow is SO COLD right now because it's been so cold outside for so long.
 
2014-02-17 06:36:14 PM  

Mr. Right: Maybe the perpetrators just figured that people who need handicapped parking wouldn't be out in such miserable weather.  I know that the folks of my acquaintance who need handicapped spaces don't venture out in conditions where there is any reasonable possibility that they may need to get out of their vehicle in an unhandy location - like if they were to slide into a ditch and have to walk somewhere.  I know this because some of them ask me or other friends to run errands for them in the winter that they would normally not ask.  And we're all good with that.


That is a generous, but possible interpretation. But it's easier to get the torches and pitchforks.
 
2014-02-17 06:43:01 PM  

bentley57: [img.fark.net image 600x293]


I seen one of those eat a truck.  It happened at the charter school where my kids use to attend, a parent decided to prove the capabilities of his 4wd late 90's Blazer.  It didn't get back down on its own.  Also, it was the norm for a lot of the parents who picked that charter school.  I don't miss it at all.
 
2014-02-17 08:30:05 PM  

Fano: That is a generous, but possible interpretation. But it's easier to get the torches and pitchforks.


Definitely giving them the benefit of the doubt.  Were I the crew chief of the plow drivers, however, I'd still rip them a new one.  A big, gaping new one.  Unless the perp volunteered to stay in that parking lot for the duration of the store's business hours and do all the shopping necessary for the handicapped while they sat in their car - preferably in the dead back of the lot so my boy would have a long hike during which to contemplate the error of his ways.

/I never said everybody loved having me as a boss.  Only the competent, hard-working ones.
 
2014-02-17 08:37:54 PM  

Devil's Playground: tchau: This is shiate.  There are literally like 12 handicap spots per parking area, it's always a crazy amount.  Most of the time around Atlanta it may, MAY be in one spot.

The law requires one handicap space for every twenty five spaces, and 1/10 of those spaces has to be van accessible.


Federal law? Doubtful.

My understanding is the number of handicapped spaces in private lots is only a recommendation, but there's no hard and fast rules.
 
2014-02-17 10:50:20 PM  

DubtodaIll: While we in the South may have a difficult time dealing with things like snow, I do find it amusing how rabidly people who actually deal with snow regularly are dumping on the South about its issues.  But hey, anything to help ease that seasonal depression right guys? Glad we can help.  Now just let me look at my 5 day forecast. Ah yes, 65, 74, 74, 79, 78, 74.


The cold weather toughens The North up.  Warm weather makes The South slow and lazy.  Which is why The North won The Big One.
 
2014-02-17 11:25:48 PM  

Mr. Right: Fano: That is a generous, but possible interpretation. But it's easier to get the torches and pitchforks.

Definitely giving them the benefit of the doubt.  Were I the crew chief of the plow drivers, however, I'd still rip them a new one.  A big, gaping new one.  Unless the perp volunteered to stay in that parking lot for the duration of the store's business hours and do all the shopping necessary for the handicapped while they sat in their car - preferably in the dead back of the lot so my boy would have a long hike during which to contemplate the error of his ways.

/I never said everybody loved having me as a boss.  Only the competent, hard-working ones.


I agree with this. As they say, never chalk up to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. And the crew chief should do as you say.
 
2014-02-18 08:59:57 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: DubtodaIll: While we in the South may have a difficult time dealing with things like snow, I do find it amusing how rabidly people who actually deal with snow regularly are dumping on the South about its issues.  But hey, anything to help ease that seasonal depression right guys? Glad we can help.  Now just let me look at my 5 day forecast. Ah yes, 65, 74, 74, 79, 78, 74.

The cold weather toughens The North up.  Warm weather makes The South slow and lazy.  Which is why The North won The Big One.


I've heard the Civil War called a lot of things but I've never heard it called The Big One.  It wasn't a burrito.
 
2014-02-18 11:18:58 AM  

Lydia_C: booger42: La Maudite: I suppose it's my turn to be the humorless twat who points out that handicapped spaces are actually, you know, kind of important for handicapped people.

Back when my dad was still alive, his MS left him barely able to walk with the help of a cane on one side and my mom holding him up on the other side... but my mom's agoraphobia meant she couldn't go to the store without him. She wasn't in such great shape herself, with diabetic neuropathy and having had part of one foot amputated. Nevertheless, they both grew up during the Great Depression and were stubbornly self-reliant. They were determined to take care of themselves, no matter what. ...

Your dad was FDR?  :*)


Maybe, maybe not... but I think my dad is doing his best to carry on in the same spirit as La Maudite's father.

/We're taking him for a CAT scan of his head after he finally admitted he's fallen twice this week (no cane for him, nosirree bob!) and now he "just doesn't feel right."
//stubborn as a mule, he is
///so I come by it honestly
////slashies


My da too! He's a polio survivor, like FDR. Those polio survivors, by and large, were stubborn MFers, which is probably how they survived polio in the first place. He got around on one good leg for 40 years and only finally surrendered to a cane and handicapped parking permit once he had to have that good knee replaced. But he never, ever let it hold him back.
 
2014-02-18 07:13:49 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: DubtodaIll: While we in the South may have a difficult time dealing with things like snow, I do find it amusing how rabidly people who actually deal with snow regularly are dumping on the South about its issues.  But hey, anything to help ease that seasonal depression right guys? Glad we can help.  Now just let me look at my 5 day forecast. Ah yes, 65, 74, 74, 79, 78, 74.

The cold weather toughens The North up.  Warm weather makes The South slow and lazy.  Which is why The North won The Big One.


Southerner's are better at fishing, you are going to have to do much better than that to troll this group
 
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