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2014-02-17 10:03:12 AM
At some point, legal marijuana businesses will have enough money to join the US Chamber of Commerce and lobby legislators.  This could prove interesting...
 
2014-02-17 10:03:26 AM
wafflesatnoon.com

This writing was on the wall 30 years ago.  Big Tobacco has been patiently waiting for this day all the while killing people with tobacco. Till the fields under, plant, profit.
 
2014-02-17 10:18:36 AM
Dope ceases to be cool.
 
2014-02-17 10:19:37 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [wafflesatnoon.com image 624x518]

This writing was on the wall 30 years ago.  Big Tobacco has been patiently waiting for this day all the while killing people with tobacco. Till the fields under, plant, profit.


This × 1,000
 
2014-02-17 10:19:46 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [wafflesatnoon.com image 624x518]

This writing was on the wall 30 years ago.  Big Tobacco has been patiently waiting for this day all the while killing people with tobacco. Till the fields under, plant, profit.


I've had many a seed pop in my Marlboros, man. They're planting it side-by-side.
 
2014-02-17 10:21:18 AM
You know, you can buy tomatoes from dole, but you can still buy heirloom tomatoes from local growers.
 
2014-02-17 10:24:35 AM
There's a huge component of dope production and use that appeals to the subversive tendencies in people. They think they're getting over and doing something edgy and anti-social by growing and smoking.
It's a pathology, really.

Take away the risk and the sense of doing something prohibited and that psychological thrill fades away.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2014-02-17 10:44:30 AM
Once big business owns marijuana production, the states will pass laws preventing citizens from growing it "for public safety reasons".  They'll claim people are burning down their houses or that children have access or that it's somehow contaminated.  In reality it will be because of lost tax revenue and loss of profit for the corporations.
 
2014-02-17 10:45:40 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: There's a huge component of dope production and use that appeals to the subversive tendencies in people. They think they're getting over and doing something edgy and anti-social by growing and smoking.
It's a pathology, really.

Take away the risk and the sense of doing something prohibited and that psychological thrill fades away.


I can see you've never walked the night shift in a national park with a rusty pistol, waiting for the buds to ready for harvest. It's a labor of love, and you can taste it in every hit. You think it will be like that when Philip Morris attacks those plants with their combines? When the buds bounce down some long conveyor belt just to be poked into some fancy corporate package by the uncaring metal fingers of a machine? You may as well let Monsanto take a shot as well, for all the righteousness you got left in that weed.
 
2014-02-17 10:46:46 AM

EnderWiggnz: You know, you can buy tomatoes from dole, but you can still buy heirloom tomatoes from local growers.


mmmmmmmmmmmm, dirt weed,

boards.cannabis.com
 
2014-02-17 10:57:53 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: EnderWiggnz: You know, you can buy tomatoes from dole, but you can still buy heirloom tomatoes from local growers.

mmmmmmmmmmmm, dirt weed,

[boards.cannabis.com image 438x257]


Yes, I too would imagine the corporations would be the ones providing the dirt weed, while the local growers would be producing a quality product.
 
2014-02-17 11:10:26 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: There's a huge component of dope production and use that appeals to the subversive tendencies in people. They think they're getting over and doing something edgy and anti-social by growing and smoking.
It's a pathology, really.

Take away the risk and the sense of doing something prohibited and that psychological thrill fades away.


Yeah, look what happened to the Alcoholic beverage industry when Prohibition was repealed.  I mean it just imploded.  Thousands of brewers were suddenly told we don't need their skills anymore, all the vineyards were pulled up and every still when silent.  Nobody drinks booze anymore.
 
2014-02-17 11:15:45 AM
EnderWiggnz: You know, you can buy tomatoes from dole, but you can still buy heirloom tomatoes from local growers.

Yup.  And, given the economic attitudes of the most prolific consumers of cannabis, combined with the hipsters and foodies getting into it with baking and the like, I'd say there will be fairly energetic local market.  What happens at the macro scale is really going to come down to culture: will cannabis have an air of respectability like pipe-smoking and fine cigars had at one time, thus making a luxury market and high-quality goods and accessories profitable, or will it become a lower-quality commodity targeted to the lower classes, like cigarettes are today?
 
2014-02-17 11:20:41 AM
Up next, craft marijuana growers. Sure, you could smoke that ditch weed made by Winston, but here in the Pacific Northwest we grow our own bud by hand using artisan well water.
 
2014-02-17 11:26:02 AM
Private equity companies are taking over.
 
2014-02-17 11:26:12 AM
My weed guy was just telling me some tale of how Marlboro has acres of prime Humbolt county lands all just waiting for legalization. He has good weed, but I find it hard to believe that big corps will truly do anything until it is legal nationwide.
 
2014-02-17 11:34:00 AM

RedArny: Zeb Hesselgresser: EnderWiggnz: You know, you can buy tomatoes from dole, but you can still buy heirloom tomatoes from local growers.

mmmmmmmmmmmm, dirt weed,

[boards.cannabis.com image 438x257]

Yes, I too would imagine the corporations would be the ones providing the dirt weed, while the local growers would be producing a quality product.


well, yeah, sorry, I thought that was understood
 
2014-02-17 11:45:23 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: There's a huge component of dope production and use that appeals to the subversive tendencies in people. They think they're getting over and doing something edgy and anti-social by growing and smoking.
It's a pathology, really.

Take away the risk and the sense of doing something prohibited and that psychological thrill fades away.


Maybe if they're 14 and blasting punk music to annoy their parents.  Of course, just by referring to it as "dope" shows that you have no real understanding other than your personal dislike of the subject.
 
2014-02-17 11:58:54 AM
Kind of like how in the beer industry there's no such thing as a microbrewery.
 
2014-02-17 12:02:53 PM

NFA: Once big business owns marijuana production, the states will pass laws preventing citizens from growing it "for public safety reasons".  They'll claim people are burning down their houses or that children have access or that it's somehow contaminated.  In reality it will be because of lost tax revenue and loss of profit for the corporations.


Yeah, except no. There is no more indication that this will be the case for cannabis than there is for the wine or beer industries, where a handful of mega-companies dominate sales figures, but where thousands upon thousands of small mom-n-pop producers thrive. Moreover, the model legislation being used in most states entertaining legalization specifically permit and encourage small-scale production.

Also, folks seem to be overlooking the labor intensive nature of quality bud production. Sure, Marlboro might produce joints on an industrial scale, like in the photo above, but they won't put quality producers out of business any more than Gallo's industrial-scale box wine industry has put all my Napa neighbors out of business.
 
2014-02-17 12:19:38 PM

Stone Meadow: There is no more indication that this will be the case for cannabis than there is for the wine or beer industries, where a handful of mega-companies dominate sales figures, but where thousands upon thousands of small mom-n-pop producers thrive.


Just to drive the point home, here are the latest statisticals I could find with a quickie google search:

There are 2538 breweries in America, of which 2483 are craft breweries. Source: http://www.brewersassociation.org/pages/business-tools/craft-brewing- s tatistics/number-of-breweries

There are 7498 wineries in America, of which 7210 are classed as small, very small or limited production. BTW, if you drive down Highway 99 in the central valley of California you can see many of the 49 the 'mega-wineries' alongside the highway...they're so large they look like oil refineries, and they are surrounded by square mile after square mile of industrial scale vineyards. Meanwhile up here in the wine growing areas of NorCal it's still profitable to grow as little as ONE ACRE of contract vines. Many of my neighbors do, but sadly for me a PO of my acreage gave up his irrigation rights to save $2/acre/mo. Dumb farker... ;^)

Wine data source: http://www.winesandvines.com/template.cfm?section=news&content=111242" >http://www.winesandvines.com/template.cfm?section=news&content=11124 2
 
2014-02-17 12:25:57 PM
Something that will make mexican ditch weed palatable.
 
2014-02-17 12:34:25 PM

stewbert: My weed guy was just telling me some tale of how Marlboro has acres of prime Humbolt county lands all just waiting for legalization. He has good weed, but I find it hard to believe that big corps will truly do anything until it is legal nationwide.


Huh, my weed guy said the exact same thing.

In 1995.
 
2014-02-17 12:37:00 PM
Big Business, aka Organized Crime

/whether illegal or state-sponsored
//why would anyone buy overtaxed legal weed?
 
2014-02-17 12:41:54 PM

Clever Neologism: EnderWiggnz: You know, you can buy tomatoes from dole, but you can still buy heirloom tomatoes from local growers.

Yup.  And, given the economic attitudes of the most prolific consumers of cannabis, combined with the hipsters and foodies getting into it with baking and the like, I'd say there will be fairly energetic local market.  What happens at the macro scale is really going to come down to culture: will cannabis have an air of respectability like pipe-smoking and fine cigars had at one time, thus making a luxury market and high-quality goods and accessories profitable, or will it become a lower-quality commodity targeted to the lower classes, like cigarettes are today?


Most prolific?  You mean poor college and high school kids and sketchy gang members?

Most people buy premade cigs, ranging from shiat quality to decent quality.  A small percentage buy tobacco and roll their own.  Given the amount of profits the cartel driven marijuana drug trade makes, it's like that this won't change too much once Phillip Morris takes over where the cartels will be left out.  Sure, there will be specialty growers, but the biggest part of the market will be the Marlboro, Budweiser, etc mass market products that are lowest common denominator driven
 
2014-02-17 12:45:32 PM

bhcompy: Most prolific (cannabis consumers)? You mean poor college and high school kids and sketchy gang members?


You appear to have a Fox News-watching grandmother's understanding of current marijuana consumption.
 
2014-02-17 12:52:52 PM

Barricaded Gunman: bhcompy: Most prolific (cannabis consumers)? You mean poor college and high school kids and sketchy gang members?

You appear to have a Fox News-watching grandmother's understanding of current marijuana consumption.


I live in an area with 5 community colleges and 5 universities within a 30 minute radius.  Every apartment complex within walking distance has a permanent haze over it.  And then, of course, the 18th street gang isn't too far away and they have their own permanent haze, except their doors are guarded
 
2014-02-17 12:54:43 PM
The stink sack sounds fun, but if it's re-sealable any driver will still be charged with open container laws according to the State Patrol troopers on my radio.
 
2014-02-17 12:56:53 PM

Barricaded Gunman: stewbert: My weed guy was just telling me some tale of how Marlboro has acres of prime Humbolt county lands all just waiting for legalization. He has good weed, but I find it hard to believe that big corps will truly do anything until it is legal nationwide.

Huh, my weed guy said the exact same thing.

In 1995.


Yeah. He has good shiat, but he's full of it. Big business does not sink money into wait and see.
 
2014-02-17 01:00:22 PM

Stone Meadow: NFA: Once big business owns marijuana production, the states will pass laws preventing citizens from growing it "for public safety reasons".  They'll claim people are burning down their houses or that children have access or that it's somehow contaminated.  In reality it will be because of lost tax revenue and loss of profit for the corporations.

Yeah, except no. There is no more indication that this will be the case for cannabis than there is for the wine or beer industries, where a handful of mega-companies dominate sales figures, but where thousands upon thousands of small mom-n-pop producers thrive. Moreover, the model legislation being used in most states entertaining legalization specifically permit and encourage small-scale production.

Also, folks seem to be overlooking the labor intensive nature of quality bud production. Sure, Marlboro might produce joints on an industrial scale, like in the photo above, but they won't put quality producers out of business any more than Gallo's industrial-scale box wine industry has put all my Napa neighbors out of business.


Uh you do realize that the craft breweries have less than 5% of the market share and its due for a rather large contraction in numbers as the less business savvy die off.  The big boys bring distribution, marketing and consistency; they will take a large chunk of the market and the dimwits who have 0 understanding of how to actually run a buisness will fall by the wayside
 
2014-02-17 01:05:55 PM
So does anyone think it's going to be removed from schedule 1 status in the next decade?

I'd like to say it will, but then again, the federal government has been stubborn as hell in the face of decades of evidence that the drug war has been an abysmal ill conceived failure.
 
2014-02-17 01:09:38 PM
This is great! Once big business stands to make a ton of money on legalization they will point their paid-for politicians in that direction.

Works for me.
 
2014-02-17 01:10:21 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Dope ceases to be cool.


Never smoked it to be cool. Just like the effect.
 
2014-02-17 01:11:08 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: There's a huge component of dope production and use that appeals to the subversive tendencies in people. They think they're getting over and doing something edgy and anti-social by growing and smoking.
It's a pathology, really.

Take away the risk and the sense of doing something prohibited and that psychological thrill fades away.


But for people over 16 I think the main point is that it is fun.
 
2014-02-17 01:11:38 PM

MayoSlather: So does anyone think it's going to be removed from schedule 1 status in the next decade?

I'd like to say it will, but then again, the federal government has been stubborn as hell in the face of decades of evidence that the drug war has been an abysmal ill conceived failure.


Once over half the states have legalized it medicinally, you'd think the fed might have to take another look at its stance that there is no medicinal value to it.

/hope springs eternal
 
2014-02-17 01:12:30 PM

MadHatter500: HotIgneous Intruder: There's a huge component of dope production and use that appeals to the subversive tendencies in people. They think they're getting over and doing something edgy and anti-social by growing and smoking.
It's a pathology, really.

Take away the risk and the sense of doing something prohibited and that psychological thrill fades away.

Yeah, look what happened to the Alcoholic beverage industry when Prohibition was repealed.  I mean it just imploded.  Thousands of brewers were suddenly told we don't need their skills anymore, all the vineyards were pulled up and every still when silent.  Nobody drinks booze anymore.


getnloose.com
 
2014-02-17 01:13:19 PM

MayoSlather: So does anyone think it's going to be removed from schedule 1 status in the next decade?


If a corporation like Monsanto comes out with a patentable variety? Absolutely.
 
2014-02-17 01:19:01 PM

ShadowKamui: Stone Meadow: NFA: The big boys bring distribution, marketing and consistency; they will take a large chunk of the market and the dimwits who have 0 understanding of how to actually run a buisness will fall by the wayside


Of course they will.  That's the point, big companies drive down costs for consumers, while craft brewers/growers supply those with more refined tastes who are willing to pay more.  MJ will be exactly like beer, it won't be illegal to grow your own, but 99% of Americans are too lazy and impatient to do thing themselves.
 
2014-02-17 01:22:36 PM

MayoSlather: So does anyone think it's going to be removed from schedule 1 status in the next decade?



I'm thinking within 5. Things are moving swiftly, especially with banks being cleared to deal with legal sellers now. That was a huge hurdle that limited the growth of legal pot businesses.
 
2014-02-17 01:23:14 PM
I like how real life is basically following the plot of Weeds.
 
2014-02-17 01:47:23 PM
Of course we're going to have to legalize pot. How else are the masses going to deal with the ennui of dead end jobs that effectively pay less than their less educated parents got. Sure some of their performance will decrease so we'll just move to more results oriented and compensated workplaces. Stank will replace auto exhaust as the chief cause of smog in most cities, and will be second to BBQ particulates in Houston smog.
 
2014-02-17 01:49:38 PM

SpectroBoy: HotIgneous Intruder: There's a huge component of dope production and use that appeals to the subversive tendencies in people. They think they're getting over and doing something edgy and anti-social by growing and smoking.
It's a pathology, really.

Take away the risk and the sense of doing something prohibited and that psychological thrill fades away.

But for people over 16 I think the main point is that it is fun.


This. I don't even like smoking with other people; I just want to enjoy a quiet moment alone with a notepad and some tunes.
 
2014-02-17 02:02:31 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: There's a huge component of dope production and use that appeals to the subversive tendencies in people. They think they're getting over and doing something edgy and anti-social by growing and smoking.
It's a pathology, really.

Take away the risk and the sense of doing something prohibited and that psychological thrill fades away.


My God, this explains me to a "t". I smoke every night when I come home from work, but have often wondered if I still would if weed were legal. I enjoy the buzz, but I think I get off more on the fact that I am doing something "naughty". I wonder what this says about my personality...
 
2014-02-17 02:06:44 PM

ShadowKamui: Stone Meadow: NFA: Once big business owns marijuana production, the states will pass laws preventing citizens from growing it "for public safety reasons".  They'll claim people are burning down their houses or that children have access or that it's somehow contaminated.  In reality it will be because of lost tax revenue and loss of profit for the corporations.

Yeah, except no. There is no more indication that this will be the case for cannabis than there is for the wine or beer industries, where a handful of mega-companies dominate sales figures, but where thousands upon thousands of small mom-n-pop producers thrive. Moreover, the model legislation being used in most states entertaining legalization specifically permit and encourage small-scale production.

Also, folks seem to be overlooking the labor intensive nature of quality bud production. Sure, Marlboro might produce joints on an industrial scale, like in the photo above, but they won't put quality producers out of business any more than Gallo's industrial-scale box wine industry has put all my Napa neighbors out of business.

Uh you do realize that the craft breweries have less than 5% of the market share and its due for a rather large contraction in numbers as the less business savvy die off.  The big boys bring distribution, marketing and consistency; they will take a large chunk of the market and the dimwits who have 0 understanding of how to actually run a buisness will fall by the wayside


Of course, that has always been so and in every industry, and there is nothing in my post to suggest otherwise. My point is that NFA's claim that the little guys will be legally squeezed out has no basis in fact or in analogous industries. That's all.
 
2014-02-17 02:14:36 PM
Ya'll going to be wishing you got in on the ground floor with the weed companies.  Penny stocks are dangerous but for a small amount of money the potential profits are huge.
 
2014-02-17 02:28:53 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Ya'll going to be wishing you got in on the ground floor with the weed companies.  Penny stocks are dangerous but for a small amount of money the potential profits are huge.


I actually got into ERBB at about .002/share.  It closed on Friday a touch over .03/share.

/one of my very few stock victories.
//for now at least... could easily turn into a defeat pretty quickly as well
///the other weed stocks I got into aren't doing nearly as well
 
2014-02-17 02:33:37 PM

GanjSmokr: Smeggy Smurf: Ya'll going to be wishing you got in on the ground floor with the weed companies.  Penny stocks are dangerous but for a small amount of money the potential profits are huge.

I actually got into ERBB at about .002/share.  It closed on Friday a touch over .03/share.

/one of my very few stock victories.
//for now at least... could easily turn into a defeat pretty quickly as well
///the other weed stocks I got into aren't doing nearly as well


The thing is, the day MJ goes off schedule 1, ANY pot stock will go up 4-5x in value.  It's worth speculating on a spread of them knowing that day will come fairly soon.
 
2014-02-17 02:38:02 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: GanjSmokr: Smeggy Smurf: Ya'll going to be wishing you got in on the ground floor with the weed companies.  Penny stocks are dangerous but for a small amount of money the potential profits are huge.

I actually got into ERBB at about .002/share.  It closed on Friday a touch over .03/share.

/one of my very few stock victories.
//for now at least... could easily turn into a defeat pretty quickly as well
///the other weed stocks I got into aren't doing nearly as well

The thing is, the day MJ goes off schedule 1, ANY pot stock will go up 4-5x in value.  It's worth speculating on a spread of them knowing that day will come fairly soon.


Bingo.  Exactly why I'm still holding on to the ones that aren't doing quite as well quite yet.  Not a ton of money put in, but the payoff potential is pretty big if things go right.
 
2014-02-17 03:16:01 PM

davynelson: Big Business, aka Organized Crime

/whether illegal or state-sponsored
//why would anyone buy overtaxed legal weed?


... Seriously?  You do know why weed is as expensive as it is now, right? Protip: black market goods are marked up a tremendous amount.
 
2014-02-17 03:32:36 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: There's a huge component of dope production and use that appeals to the subversive tendencies in people. They think they're getting over and doing something edgy and anti-social by growing and smoking.
It's a pathology, really.

Take away the risk and the sense of doing something prohibited and that psychological paranoia thrill fades away.

 
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