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(Guardian)   "As one who has been ageing happily since the day I was born, ageing is not a bad thing. In fact, every single woman I know looks better in her 30s and 40s than she did in her 20s and is a lot happier than she was in her 20s"   (theguardian.com) divider line 269
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2014-02-17 10:10:30 AM  
The women in their 40's who look better than they did in their 20's are the ones who stopped tanning.
 
2014-02-17 10:13:25 AM  
Keyword: Single

If she's still single a 40, she probably didn't care what she looked like at 20 either.
 
2014-02-17 10:26:09 AM  
There's some smokin' hot 40 year old women out there
 
2014-02-17 10:26:48 AM  
Awwww, it's times like these that I miss our Heisenberg punctuation nutter.

/pours out some Colt 45 for his homie.
 
2014-02-17 10:27:36 AM  
She just thinks she's happier.

/Tell a lie enough times and soon you'll believe it.
 
2014-02-17 10:27:37 AM  

Gulper Eel: The women in their 40's who look better than they did in their 20's are the ones who stopped tanning.


This.

Get out of the sun (and/or tanning booth).

Quit smoking while you're at it.
 
2014-02-17 10:28:26 AM  
I will file this under 'lies women tell themselves'.
 
2014-02-17 10:29:56 AM  
A farking commercial for facial cream??

Anyway, certainly not all women look better in their 30s or 40s, but a lot of women look great and even better at those ages, and self-confidence and knowing oneself is part of it.
 
2014-02-17 10:30:13 AM  
Aging.
It's spelled AGING.

/Not AGEING.

And fat is as fat does.
 
2014-02-17 10:30:46 AM  
I make a hell of a lot more money at 40 than I did in my 20s, so there's that.
 
2014-02-17 10:31:10 AM  
I know I'm hotter in my 40s than in my 20s.
 
2014-02-17 10:31:59 AM  
I love the way she writes. I could care less about her complexion.
 
2014-02-17 10:32:03 AM  

jaylectricity: Keyword: Single

If she's still single a 40, she probably didn't care what she looked like at 20 either.


I see this has already been covered.
 
2014-02-17 10:32:20 AM  
Dear Submittard;

Unless you're going to go out and walk in front of traffic later today, you too will one day join the ranks of the "Hey. Look. They're old".

Get used to it, you moron.
 
2014-02-17 10:32:50 AM  

SordidEuphemism: I love the way she writes. I couldn't care less about her complexion.


Well, drat.
 
2014-02-17 10:33:23 AM  
The one good thing that can be said about aging is that it beats the alternative
 
2014-02-17 10:33:23 AM  
My infintely-better-half would totally agree with subby's headline.  She's rocking 50.

What Gulper Eel said
 
2014-02-17 10:35:59 AM  

Kiwimann: Gulper Eel: The women in their 40's who look better than they did in their 20's are the ones who stopped tanning.

This.

Get out of the sun (and/or tanning booth).

Quit smoking while you're at it.


And stop it with the farking booze. That stuff just eats your body up, especially the skin.
 
2014-02-17 10:37:01 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Dear Submittard;

Unless you're going to go out and walk in front of traffic later today, you too will one day join the ranks of the "Hey. Look. They're old".

Get used to it, you moron.


Yes - subby will age.  That doesn't mean subby will go around claiming all people of a certain age are more attractive than they were 20 years earlier.
 
2014-02-17 10:39:21 AM  
A 40's elbow:
3.bp.blogspot.com

a 20's elbow:
www.tenniselbowtips.com

I'll take the lower, thanks...
 
2014-02-17 10:39:35 AM  

theorellior: Awwww, it's times like these that I miss our Heisenberg punctuation nutter.

/pours out some Colt 45 for his homie.


I was thinking that looking at the headline that Fark was a different place now. No country for old luddites. Fellows that pointed out they were smarter faster and stronger at 18 at every turn
 
2014-02-17 10:40:18 AM  
As I get older I find I don't really give a shiat what I look like.  People are so much more concerned with how THEY look to really care about your appearance, and all that vanity seems so exhausting and high-schooly.

People are often COMPLETELY deluded as to what they actually look like.  The "wtf is he/she thinking wearing that" crowd.  Fat people wearing bright and tight clothes for instance.

Or wearing pants so loose that they ride below your ass, making you waddle like a penguin....
 
2014-02-17 10:40:27 AM  
I hope she got paid by the word or column inch, because if that's how she responds anytime someone asks her a relatively simple question, she must be a blast at parties.
 
2014-02-17 10:41:20 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: I know I'm hotter in my 40s than in my 20s.


That's the menopause
 
2014-02-17 10:41:41 AM  
It would be great to see evidence of a single case of this ever happening---a woman looking better in her 30s than in her 20s. Of 25 billion women who have ever lived, it has probably never happened.
 
2014-02-17 10:42:54 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Dear Submittard;

Unless you're going to go out and walk in front of traffic later today, you too will one day join the ranks of the "Hey. Look. They're old".

Get used to it, you moron.

Yes - subby will age.  That doesn't mean subby will go around claiming all people of a certain age are more attractive than they were 20 years earlier.


From your bio;


Bio:
I split my time on Fark between calm, reasonable discussion, and trolling. The internet need not be serious business. I'm sorry if I've offended you.



Not offended, and if that's a troll. You need lessons....


Beauty fades. Stupid is forever.
 
2014-02-17 10:43:14 AM  
I think many people are happier in their thirties and forties than in their twenties.  In your twenties you tend to focus on all that social climbing bullshiat.  Accumulation of stuff.  Never going to make you happy - someone is always going to have more money, more facebook friends, be in better shape, have a hotter partner, have a plate of food that looks better on instagram, etc...

The people who never outgrow that stuff, the people who keep running the race, I imagine they don't get much happier as they age.  Just more frustrated.
 
2014-02-17 10:43:52 AM  

CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...


I honestly can't say that I've ever spent a significant amount of time considering a woman's elbow. Are you sure you're not just looking for excuses for your asexuality?
 
2014-02-17 10:44:27 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: She just thinks she's happier.

/Tell a lie enough times and soon you'll believe it.


Happiness being a state of mind, if you think you're happier, you are. Q.E.D.
 
2014-02-17 10:46:08 AM  
I can't imagine a place with 40yr old Strippers. (Shivers, Shakes)
 
2014-02-17 10:46:29 AM  

FLMountainMan: I think many people are happier in their thirties and forties than in their twenties.  In your twenties you tend to focus on all that social climbing bullshiat.  Accumulation of stuff.  Never going to make you happy - someone is always going to have more money, more facebook friends, be in better shape, have a hotter partner, have a plate of food that looks better on instagram, etc...

The people who never outgrow that stuff, the people who keep running the race, I imagine they don't get much happier as they age.  Just more frustrated.


This is true... as i approach 40, i have several old highschool people on my fb, and there's a couple of females that seem to be exactly like this...
 
2014-02-17 10:46:39 AM  
Women in their 20's are like fast food. I try it about once a year to remind myself why I avoid it.
 
2014-02-17 10:47:13 AM  

Theaetetus: CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...

I honestly can't say that I've ever spent a significant amount of time considering a woman's elbow. Are you sure you're not just looking for excuses for your asexuality?


While I've never boffed a 40 year old and don't look at elbows, I'd have to say that looks like it would fall into the category of "things you can't unsee."
 
2014-02-17 10:48:09 AM  

Theaetetus: CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...

I honestly can't say that I've ever spent a significant amount of time considering a woman's elbow. Are you sure you're not just looking for excuses for your asexuality?


I don't need excuses for my asexuality...
 
2014-02-17 10:48:22 AM  

proteus_b: It would be great to see evidence of a single case of this ever happening---a woman looking better in her 30s than in her 20s. Of 25 billion women who have ever lived, it has probably never happened.


I admit on average, twenty year old women are hotter than thirty year old women.  However, many women finally start to clean up in their thirties - lose weight, stop binge drinking, smoking etc.   An evolutionary psychologist would probably argue that some of this coincides with the usual significant income increase that comes for most men/husbands in their thirties and forties.  The competitive pressure increases.
 
2014-02-17 10:49:09 AM  
Certainly hornier.

And it's nice to have a conversation with a woman that doesn't feel like I'm losing brain cells while doing so.
 
2014-02-17 10:49:23 AM  
I know i'm not as attractive now at 46 as I was at 26 or even 36. As someone who constantly got male attention when I was younger (meaning "being checked out"), it's safe to say I barely get "checked out" anymore. It really is depressing as fark. But hey, I'm so much wiser now, right?

/ Just whining a little
 
2014-02-17 10:51:57 AM  
Look better?  In some ways, considering I was very overweight when I was younger.  Other ways?  I'm sure I appeal to a different demographic than I did in my 20's (ahem).

Happier?  God yes.
 
2014-02-17 10:52:33 AM  

FLMountainMan: I admit on average, twenty year old women are hotter than thirty year old women. However, many women finally start to clean up in their thirties - lose weight, stop binge drinking, smoking etc. An evolutionary psychologist would probably argue that some of this coincides with the usual significant income increase that comes for most men/husbands in their thirties and forties. The competitive pressure increases.


The exact topic under consideration by the article, their skin, pretty much makes the difference though. A slightly chubby 22 year old will generally be more attractive than a svelte 38 year old. Maybe in a photograph you'd take the second one, but if you really want to lick every portion of someone's body, it's probably preferable that they be soft and young.
 
2014-02-17 10:52:43 AM  
These are the same people who say things like "40 is the new 20".
 
2014-02-17 10:53:52 AM  

CeroX: This is true... as i approach 40, i have several old highschool people on my fb, and there's a couple of females that seem to be exactly like this...


I wonder if this is why marriage makes, on average, men happier than women. Men's prime purpose for social climbing is usually to find the ideal partner.  When they get it, they tend to stop climbing so hard.  The wife's reason for climbing is not so directly tied to her mate though, hence the continued pressure.

Of course this is all in general, very stereotypical neanderthal thinking, the y chromosome is a social construct, etc....
 
2014-02-17 10:55:53 AM  

proteus_b: The exact topic under consideration by the article, their skin...


Yeah, I didn't read the article, obviously.  Sorry for the prating.
 
2014-02-17 10:57:22 AM  

proteus_b: It would be great to see evidence of a single case of this ever happening---a woman looking better in her 30s than in her 20s. Of 25 billion women who have ever lived, it has probably never happened.


Tina Fey.
 
2014-02-17 10:57:48 AM  
My wife is way hotter at 37 than she was at 19 (when I met her)
 
2014-02-17 10:58:58 AM  

CeroX: A 40's elbow:


a 20's elbow:


I'll take the lower, thanks...


oh great, now here comes an elbow freak.
 
2014-02-17 11:00:28 AM  

Salmon: Certainly hornier.

And it's nice to have a conversation with a woman that doesn't feel like I'm losing brain cells while doing so.


I dated a 26-year-old when I was 40. That was my all-time dating age differential and I must say it was like dating the air. She was fun in the shower, though.
 
2014-02-17 11:00:53 AM  
I wouldn't do her, her elbow is too wrinkly.

Comedy gold.
 
2014-02-17 11:01:41 AM  

CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...


I'm 63 and my farking elbow doesn't look like the first one.  Of course, I can't see very well anymore.  Actually, my elbow looks like the second one.
 
2014-02-17 11:05:51 AM  
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohbv6haI1aQ
 
2014-02-17 11:08:11 AM  
a disclaimer:

I didn't used to think of the elbows like that... I have a cousin though that is approaching 50 and chases after girls in their 20's. a few years ago i asked him why he doesn't go after chicks closer to his own age, and this was his explanation. It is one of those "once someone points something out you never forget it" moments.

I'm not really an elbow "freak" (as i don't like to call people freaks unless they fall into circus sideshow level of attention whoring, then i get all judgmental) but you can't unsee what has been pointed out.
 
2014-02-17 11:08:42 AM  

FLMountainMan: Yeah, I didn't read the article, obviously. Sorry for the prating.


Not at all, you're expressing your opinion, I'm expressing mine. There is no right or wrong, but I think that youthful skin is very important. Not so much as to bath in the blood of virgins important, but still.
 
2014-02-17 11:09:03 AM  
Wrinkly or smooth who cares as long as they are not sharp.
 
2014-02-17 11:11:07 AM  
If chicks were as nice in their 30's and 40's, millionaires wouldn't be going after the 20 something hotties. Same for men, we just can use money as more of an equalizer. A rich 40 something man is attractive because of his wallet.
 
2014-02-17 11:11:39 AM  

proteus_b: FLMountainMan: Yeah, I didn't read the article, obviously. Sorry for the prating.

Not at all, you're expressing your opinion, I'm expressing mine. There is no right or wrong, but I think that youthful skin is very important. Not so much as to bath in the blood of virgins important, but still.


Psst, they weren't virgins!  If you wanted virgins, you shouldn't have told me to watch them.
 
2014-02-17 11:11:50 AM  

otto the bull: Wrinkly or smooth who cares as long as they are not sharp.


What an unsharp elbow looks like:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-17 11:19:48 AM  

proteus_b: FLMountainMan: I admit on average, twenty year old women are hotter than thirty year old women. However, many women finally start to clean up in their thirties - lose weight, stop binge drinking, smoking etc. An evolutionary psychologist would probably argue that some of this coincides with the usual significant income increase that comes for most men/husbands in their thirties and forties. The competitive pressure increases.

The exact topic under consideration by the article, their skin, pretty much makes the difference though. A slightly chubby 22 year old will generally be more attractive than a svelte 38 year old. Maybe in a photograph you'd take the second one, but if you really want to lick every portion of someone's body, it's probably preferable that they be soft and young.


I just threw up in a mouth. So thanks.
 
2014-02-17 11:20:25 AM  

CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...


If you can see her elbows, you're doing it wrong.
 
2014-02-17 11:20:46 AM  
Some of them look alright until they're coming after you with that per-arthritic claw. It's like getting "the old low five" from a velociraptor.
 
2014-02-17 11:21:10 AM  

Fano: The Googles Do Nothing: I know I'm hotter in my 40s than in my 20s.

That's the menopause


Ok. This made me larf
 
2014-02-17 11:22:32 AM  
30 year old women are, in fact, much cuter than 20 year old women.

I've known this for years.

But by 40... it's tough to stay good lookin'.

/Men are the same way, but it takes far less effort to look good until at least 50.
 
2014-02-17 11:23:09 AM  

reaperducer: CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...

If you can see her elbows, you're doing it wrong.


I have no words...
 
2014-02-17 11:23:14 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-17 11:25:33 AM  
faqsmedia.ign.com

There are some hot women in their 40's. However, these are the ones that were jaw-droppingly, unbelievably, mind-bogglingly hot in their 20's.
 
2014-02-17 11:26:40 AM  
I think I look better at 35 than I did at 25; I'm eating and sleeping better, and taking better care of myself. I know there's a sharp drop off coming in the nex decade though. With any luck I'll be aging like Mallory Archer, not Peggy Bundy.
 
2014-02-17 11:27:02 AM  

5monkeys: I just threw up in a mouth. So thanks.


Sure you did, but whose?
 
2014-02-17 11:27:07 AM  
Yeah, women over 40 are all wretched crones.

i1058.photobucket.com

/ Really, I'm the first?
 
2014-02-17 11:27:21 AM  
I may not look better than I did at 20, but when I was 20 I thought I was hideously fat and ugly. (I wasn't even overweight, much less ugly.) At 47, I'm *actually* fat, but I'm happier with myself -- including my body -- than I ever was back then.

I'd rather be who I am now, fat and all, than have my 20-year-old body back and hate myself again. What makes some older women beautiful isn't that we're objectively prettier, but because we've learned to love ourselves as we are, and it shows.

/Recently saw some video of myself at 23, during what had at that time been the best week of my life. The first thing that struck me about it was that I never once smiled. There was a kind of pained smirk at one point, but not a single smile. It made me really sad for my younger self. It sucks a lot less to be me now.
 
2014-02-17 11:28:44 AM  

jake3988: 30 year old women are, in fact, much cuter than 20 year old women.

I've known this for years.

But by 40... it's tough to stay good lookin'.

/Men are the same way, but it takes far less effort to look good until at least 50.


On a purely aesthetic level the 30/20 argument is possibly debatable, but I still think you're wrong.  A 40/20 or 40/30 isn't even debatable.

On a non-aesthetic level the story is completely different.  I find that as women age the gap between hot and cute enough shrinks quite a bit.  Personality becomes so much more important than raw looks beyond a certain point, and there is a certain joy seeing formerly hot people broken by the ravages of time that never needed to learn to have a personality.
 
2014-02-17 11:29:19 AM  

I. R. Rottweiler: Yeah, women over 40 with personal trainers are all wretched crones.

[i1058.photobucket.com image 600x319]

/ Really, I'm the first?


FTFY
 
2014-02-17 11:29:37 AM  
Such disappoint in this thread. I'll try to fix, so we can have examples of what we're discussing.

20s

3.bp.blogspot.com

30s

dailyman40.com

40s

skinnythighs.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-17 11:31:08 AM  

I. R. Rottweiler: Yeah, women over 40 are all wretched crones.

[i1058.photobucket.com image 600x319]

/ Really, I'm the first?


I don't know about the second and third pictures in that composite, but the JA one is from when she was 32.
 
2014-02-17 11:32:14 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Such disappoint in this thread. I'll try to fix, so we can have examples of what we're discussing.

20s

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x566]

30s

[dailyman40.com image 660x330]

40s

[skinnythighs.files.wordpress.com image 700x862]


I'll take the 30's.
 
2014-02-17 11:32:54 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Aging.
It's spelled AGING.

/Not AGEING.


Wrong according to Random House.  Wrong according to Collins.

Wrong according to the Oxford English Dictionary.


Both aging and ageing are allowable according to all three, and probably others too.

/when grammar / spelling naziing, it's best to check your own beliefs for accuracy before hitting submit.

5monkeys: I just threw up in a mouth. So thanks.


Just a random one that was passing, or do you employ somebody to receive your vomit?
 
2014-02-17 11:34:25 AM  

Thunderpipes: If chicks were as nice in their 30's and 40's, millionaires wouldn't be going after the 20 something hotties. Same for men, we just can use money as more of an equalizer. A rich 40 something man is attractive because of his wallet.


Guys generally age better
 
2014-02-17 11:35:51 AM  

gweilo8888: HotIgneous Intruder: Aging.
It's spelled AGING.

/Not AGEING.

Wrong according to Random House.  Wrong according to Collins.

Wrong according to the Oxford English Dictionary.

Both aging and ageing are allowable according to all three, and probably others too.

/when grammar / spelling naziing, it's best to check your own beliefs for accuracy before hitting submit.

5monkeys: I just threw up in a mouth. So thanks.

Just a random one that was passing, or do you employ somebody to receive your vomit?


It's even a worse job than Assistant Coke Whore.
 
2014-02-17 11:35:53 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Such disappoint in this thread. I'll try to fix, so we can have examples of what we're discussing.

20s

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x566]

30s

[dailyman40.com image 660x330]

40s

[skinnythighs.files.wordpress.com image 700x862]


I'll have the sampler, please.
 
PJ-
2014-02-17 11:37:42 AM  
I was somehow invited to a going away party for a manager at a restaurant the other day, so it gave me the chance to mingle with all sorts of ages.  The early 20 year old crowd was quite a pleasure to look at, it was made almost impossible to spend any kind of time with them as soon as they opened their mouth.  Most of their conversations involved discussion about their previous snap chat conversation with some random person.  The late 20s early 30s, were not as easy on the eyes, but happily walked away with their phone numbers.  It was nice not being ran off from a conversation, because they actually knew how to hold up a conversation.  The older ones than that, were battleaxes to look at, but almost worse than talking to the younger crowd.  All their conversations came to the same point, their ex-husband/boyfriend were complete assholes, and they better be coming up with the support payments for the kids.

Winner?  Don't date a server.
 
2014-02-17 11:38:27 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Such disappoint in this thread. I'll try to fix, so we can have examples of what we're discussing.

20s

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x566]

30s

[dailyman40.com image 660x330]

40s

[skinnythighs.files.wordpress.com image 700x862]


Non-airbrushed:
upload.wikimedia.org

Still very attractive, but not nearly as much so as she was in her 20s and 30s.
 
2014-02-17 11:45:49 AM  
Actually, in my 40s now, I look and feel so much better than I did in my 20s. I'm fully independent, very happy and extremely sexually satisfied. Never came close to any of that in my 20s.
 
2014-02-17 11:46:54 AM  

Lapdance: I can't imagine a place with 40yr old Strippers. (Shivers, Shakes)


The last time I was in a strip club was about 15 years ago, in my local hometown dive. Things were going pretty well until the last "entertainer" of the evening. She was a slightly overweight woman in her mid to late 40's. There are some things that can't be unseen. On the drive home, my buddies and I sat in stunned silence, and have never spoken about that evening since.

I have not stepped foot inside a strip club since that horrible, fateful evening, so many years ago.
 
2014-02-17 11:49:29 AM  

gweilo8888: Wrong according to Random House.  Wrong according to Collins.

Wrong according to the Oxford English Dictionary.

Both aging and ageing are allowable according to all three, and probably others too.

/when grammar / spelling naziing, it's best to check your own beliefs for accuracy before hitting submit.


You lose.
Nonstandard is nonstandard.
Simply because it's printed in a book doesn't make it acceptable use everywhere all the time.
It's all right though. this kind of misinterpretation is one of the pitfalls of teaching serfs to read.
You're forgiven. This is fark, after all.

/Professional national-level editor for a decade.
 
2014-02-17 11:50:53 AM  

CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...


Damn, this is nearly as bad as "sharp knees".
 
2014-02-17 11:50:56 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Aging.
It's spelled AGING.


Stop your whineing.
 
2014-02-17 11:57:55 AM  

theorellior: I wouldn't do her, her elbow is too wrinkly.

Comedy gold.


LOL, agreed.
 
2014-02-17 11:58:34 AM  
See, that's the excellent thing about always having been ugly. I may look like the Cryptkeeper or Nancy Reagan now at 36 but I experience no depression about having gotten old and gross because I have always had that cackling hunchbacked crone attitude in life. Bopping around thinking "I want to be a pretty pretty princess! Where is my Prince Charming?" is so much less fun than striding about shrieking "I will get you my pretty, and your little dog too! Mwa hah hah hah!"

What I'm saying is that stringing some voodoo charms on your mountain bike is a surefire way for people to leave it alone when you're in the grocery store.
 
2014-02-17 11:59:27 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The one good thing that can be said about aging is that it beats the alternative


: )
 
2014-02-17 12:00:58 PM  

proteus_b: It would be great to see evidence of a single case of this ever happening---a woman looking better in her 30s than in her 20s. Of 25 billion women who have ever lived, it has probably never happened.


the only way would be if in her 20s she was very overweight and generally did not care about her appearance, and then got in shape in her 30s

unlikely, but i have seen it happen
 
2014-02-17 12:01:42 PM  

I. R. Rottweiler: Yeah, women over 40 are all wretched crones.

[i1058.photobucket.com image 600x319]

/ Really, I'm the first?


I'm not saying that women in their 30s and 40s can't be hot you have to admit to some cherry picking there. Besides, that shot of Aniston was when she was still on Friends. We don't need to get into the Photoshop aspect.

Monica Bellucci is still awesome
as is Salma Hayek, Rose McGowan (she had half her face torn off in a car accident), Allissa Milano, Jeri Ryan, Alicia Witt and Drew Barrymore.

but still, not exactly a random sampling of every woman.
 
2014-02-17 12:01:52 PM  

FunkOut: See, that's the excellent thing about always having been ugly. I may look like the Cryptkeeper or Nancy Reagan now at 36 but I experience no depression about having gotten old and gross because I have always had that cackling hunchbacked crone attitude in life. Bopping around thinking "I want to be a pretty pretty princess! Where is my Prince Charming?" is so much less fun than striding about shrieking "I will get you my pretty, and your little dog too! Mwa hah hah hah!"

What I'm saying is that stringing some voodoo charms on your mountain bike is a surefire way for people to leave it alone when you're in the grocery store.


*Clicks profile*

Huh, if you consider yourself ugly, I must be an Adonis.
 
2014-02-17 12:03:43 PM  
...forgot Sofia Vergara
 
2014-02-17 12:04:27 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Nonstandard is nonstandard.


I'm pretty sure non-standard is supposed to be hyphenated.

HotIgneous Intruder: It's all right though. this kind of misinterpretation is one of the pitfalls of teaching serfs to read.


I know that words at the beginning of a sentence are supposed to be capitalized.

//Not an editor.  Stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 
2014-02-17 12:06:31 PM  
I'll take 30s every time.  At least late 20s.  And I'm just talking looks, nevermind that whole conversation thing.

The appeal for women in their 20s is that you don't have to talk to them or take them seriously.  They generally have either terrible self esteem, are gold digging, or believe they are soooo much more mature than boys their own age.  The whole "daddy issues" thing only comes up occasionally and usually turns women into super-sluts with partners of various ages.

Often the women don't recognize that they are being manipulated by older men or are attracted to money.  They simply see a person they want to be married to in 15 years and try to skip ahead.  They say things that sound better than "he has money" like "he's stable" or "he's responsible".  Let's be honest, women like gestures and gifts and if you can afford to send a gesture like flowers, take her on a the vacation of a lifetime, or do something special for her she's probably going to stick around to put out.
 
2014-02-17 12:07:42 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: A farking commercial for facial cream??

Anyway, certainly not all women look better in their 30s or 40s, but a lot of women look great and even better at those ages, and self-confidence and knowing oneself is part of it.


Wrong. Most do not look  better. The ones that do tended to look a little lanky or manish when they were in their 20s.
 
2014-02-17 12:08:25 PM  
One thing that I have noticed about women in their 40's who perpetually claim that there's "no good men out there" is that they're usually operating under the premise that they're still as attractive and desirable as they were when they were in their 20's, and feel entitled to men who are quite simply out of their league. The early part of their adult life was characterized by being able to effortlessly attract young, fit, handsome men, and they still haven't come to terms with the fact that those days are gone. Hence men become "jerks", "players", "unrealistic", etc. etc.

Let's face it: if you're a woman in her 40's (possibly slightly overweight), that buff, hot, 32 year old guy that you've got your eye on probably has much better options available to him.
 
2014-02-17 12:08:58 PM  
40+ yr. old celebrities are the exception, not the rule. Most fortysomethings don't exercise, eat right, get much physical activity, or take care of themselves beyond the thinnest minimum. So they look like sh*t as a result.
 
2014-02-17 12:09:59 PM  

CeroX: otto the bull: Wrinkly or smooth who cares as long as they are not sharp.

What an unsharp elbow looks like:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]


Looks like she's carrying a sad midget under her arm...
 
2014-02-17 12:10:06 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Dear Submittard;

Unless you're going to go out and walk in front of traffic later today, you too will one day join the ranks of the "Hey. Look. They're old".

Get used to it, you moron.

Yes - subby will age.  That doesn't mean subby will go around claiming all people of a certain age are more attractive than they were 20 years earlier.

From your bio;


Bio:
I split my time on Fark between calm, reasonable discussion, and trolling. The internet need not be serious business. I'm sorry if I've offended you.


Not offended, and if that's a troll. You need lessons....


Beauty fades. Stupid is forever.


It's not currently trolling.  I'm just pointing out the incredibly obvious difference between saying 40 year old women don't look better than 20 year old women and saying someone will never age.  I'm old and I'll continue to get old for a long while.  That doesn't blind me to the fact that getting old brings with it a lot of downsides, including looking crappier than the healthy, younger equivalent of your current self.
 
2014-02-17 12:10:30 PM  
Skinny women sometimes look better in their 40's but for the most part women are on a downhill slide after their early to mid 20's.
 
2014-02-17 12:11:47 PM  

La Maudite: I may not look better than I did at 20, but when I was 20 I thought I was hideously fat and ugly. (I wasn't even overweight, much less ugly.) At 47, I'm *actually* fat, but I'm happier with myself -- including my body -- than I ever was back then.

I'd rather be who I am now, fat and all, than have my 20-year-old body back and hate myself again. What makes some older women beautiful isn't that we're objectively prettier, but because we've learned to love ourselves as we are, and it shows.

/Recently saw some video of myself at 23, during what had at that time been the best week of my life. The first thing that struck me about it was that I never once smiled. There was a kind of pained smirk at one point, but not a single smile. It made me really sad for my younger self. It sucks a lot less to be me now.


This is my experience exactly. I was so self-hating in my 20's that I had no idea that I was beautiful and thus could not enjoy it. I see pictures of me 20 years ago and get so sad/upset. Stupid young adulthood.

I'm 43 now and while not physically hot anymore, I've become completely confident and have a mature attractiveness that I'm fine with. I'm happier now than I've ever been, and plan to enjoy the rest of my 40's until real aging sets in.
 
2014-02-17 12:12:28 PM  

blatz514: FunkOut: See, that's the excellent thing about always having been ugly. I may look like the Cryptkeeper or Nancy Reagan now at 36 but I experience no depression about having gotten old and gross because I have always had that cackling hunchbacked crone attitude in life. Bopping around thinking "I want to be a pretty pretty princess! Where is my Prince Charming?" is so much less fun than striding about shrieking "I will get you my pretty, and your little dog too! Mwa hah hah hah!"

What I'm saying is that stringing some voodoo charms on your mountain bike is a surefire way for people to leave it alone when you're in the grocery store.

*Clicks profile*

Huh, if you consider yourself ugly, I must be an Adonis.


You must be young. When a woman goes on about how "ugly" she is, she's actually fishing for a compliment (i.e. "attention whoring").

So when a woman tells you that she's "ugly", the correct response is "Don't let that get you down, I'm sure you've got a great personality"
 
2014-02-17 12:12:33 PM  

mjbok: Still very attractive, but not nearly as much so as she was in her 20s and 30s.


Her appearance would not be a deal breaker at any age. The crazy factor on the other hand? I promised the little guy, "No more nutter spelunking!"
Although after about a half pint of Guinness for me and quart of North Carolina's finest paint thinner with a roofy chaser for her and it's totally on.
 
2014-02-17 12:12:45 PM  

verbaltoxin: 40+ yr. old celebrities are the exception, not the rule. Most fortysomethings Americans don't exercise, eat right, get much physical activity, or take care of themselves beyond the thinnest minimum. So they look like sh*t as a result.


The upshot is that it takes only very slight effort to look better than the majority of people.
 
2014-02-17 12:13:04 PM  

robertmeerdahl: proteus_b: It would be great to see evidence of a single case of this ever happening---a woman looking better in her 30s than in her 20s. Of 25 billion women who have ever lived, it has probably never happened.

the only way would be if in her 20s she was very overweight and generally did not care about her appearance, and then got in shape in her 30s

unlikely, but i have seen it happen


I've seen (pretty frequently) better (bigger) boobs, better butt, and better dressed which makes a difference.
As long as a woman is actively exercising she will generally look better mid-30s than mid-20s.  This does not apply to binge drinkers, smokers, or people who eat crap.
 
2014-02-17 12:15:43 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: verbaltoxin: 40+ yr. old celebrities are the exception, not the rule. Most fortysomethings Americans don't exercise, eat right, get much physical activity, or take care of themselves beyond the thinnest minimum. So they look like sh*t as a result.

The upshot is that it takes only very slight effort to look better than the majority of people.


This. I'm a guy in my mid-40s. About a year ago, I started taking care of myself. Although I don't consider myself much to look at, in my age group, I am a God Who Walks Among Men.
 
2014-02-17 12:17:17 PM  

SewerSquirrels: Her appearance would not be a deal breaker at any age. The crazy factor on the other hand? I promised the little guy, "No more nutter spelunking!"


Steve says, "You have a good idea.  Stick with it!"

i.usatoday.net
 
2014-02-17 12:18:28 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: gweilo8888: Wrong according to Random House.  Wrong according to Collins.

Wrong according to the Oxford English Dictionary.

Both aging and ageing are allowable according to all three, and probably others too.

/when grammar / spelling naziing, it's best to check your own beliefs for accuracy before hitting submit.

You lose.
Nonstandard is nonstandard.
Simply because it's printed in a book doesn't make it acceptable use everywhere all the time.
It's all right though. this kind of misinterpretation is one of the pitfalls of teaching serfs to read.
You're forgiven. This is fark, after all.

/Professional national-level editor for a decade.


Subby might be English. I think it's standard usage (or useage?) over there.
 
2014-02-17 12:18:33 PM  

baconbeard: blatz514: FunkOut: See, that's the excellent thing about always having been ugly. I may look like the Cryptkeeper or Nancy Reagan now at 36 but I experience no depression about having gotten old and gross because I have always had that cackling hunchbacked crone attitude in life. Bopping around thinking "I want to be a pretty pretty princess! Where is my Prince Charming?" is so much less fun than striding about shrieking "I will get you my pretty, and your little dog too! Mwa hah hah hah!"

What I'm saying is that stringing some voodoo charms on your mountain bike is a surefire way for people to leave it alone when you're in the grocery store.

*Clicks profile*

Huh, if you consider yourself ugly, I must be an Adonis.

You must be young. When a woman goes on about how "ugly" she is, she's actually fishing for a compliment (i.e. "attention whoring").

So when a woman tells you that she's "ugly", the correct response is "Don't let that get you down, I'm sure you've got a great personality"


I can still be an Adonis though, right?
 
2014-02-17 12:19:41 PM  

baconbeard: So when a woman tells you that she's "ugly", the correct response is "Don't let that get you down, I'm sure you've got a great personality"


If anything else, this advice will keep your bar tab low.
 
2014-02-17 12:20:28 PM  

CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...


Uh, that's more like a 50's elbow, I'm over 40 and my elbow looks nothing like that thank you.
 
2014-02-17 12:20:50 PM  

blatz514: baconbeard: blatz514: FunkOut: See, that's the excellent thing about always having been ugly. I may look like the Cryptkeeper or Nancy Reagan now at 36 but I experience no depression about having gotten old and gross because I have always had that cackling hunchbacked crone attitude in life. Bopping around thinking "I want to be a pretty pretty princess! Where is my Prince Charming?" is so much less fun than striding about shrieking "I will get you my pretty, and your little dog too! Mwa hah hah hah!"

What I'm saying is that stringing some voodoo charms on your mountain bike is a surefire way for people to leave it alone when you're in the grocery store.

*Clicks profile*

Huh, if you consider yourself ugly, I must be an Adonis.

You must be young. When a woman goes on about how "ugly" she is, she's actually fishing for a compliment (i.e. "attention whoring").

So when a woman tells you that she's "ugly", the correct response is "Don't let that get you down, I'm sure you've got a great personality"

I can still be an Adonis though, right?


Yes, of course.
 
2014-02-17 12:20:59 PM  
Yes, well, good to know that in my 40s I'm a repulsive, hideous old waste of oxygen. At least I heard it from my friends at Fark. Thanks, guys!

/yes, that was sarcasm
 
2014-02-17 12:21:34 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Dear Submittard;

Unless you're going to go out and walk in front of traffic later today, you too will one day join the ranks of the "Hey. Look. They're old".

Get used to it, you moron.

Yes - subby will age.  That doesn't mean subby will go around claiming all people of a certain age are more attractive than they were 20 years earlier.

From your bio;


Bio:
I split my time on Fark between calm, reasonable discussion, and trolling. The internet need not be serious business. I'm sorry if I've offended you.


Not offended, and if that's a troll. You need lessons....


Beauty fades. Stupid is forever.

It's not currently trolling.  I'm just pointing out the incredibly obvious difference between saying 40 year old women don't look better than 20 year old women and saying someone will never age.  I'm old and I'll continue to get old for a long while.  That doesn't blind me to the fact that getting old brings with it a lot of downsides, including looking crappier than the healthy, younger equivalent of your current self.


So, the idea that because you might be in poor shape = everyone who's your age must be in piss poor shape as well? Including women?

If you want to believe that, then believe it. I'm telling you, you're wrong.
 
2014-02-17 12:22:16 PM  

special20: baconbeard: So when a woman tells you that she's "ugly", the correct response is "Don't let that get you down, I'm sure you've got a great personality"

If anything else, this advice will keep your bar tab low.


Well it will unless you want to get laid and are stuck with the closing time specials. Then you're gonna spend (a lot) more on yourself. I don't know about you, but I can drink a lot more than women.
 
2014-02-17 12:22:50 PM  

Fano: The Googles Do Nothing: I know I'm hotter in my 40s than in my 20s.

That's the menopause


THIS comment is an absolute win. Thanks for the laugh.
 
2014-02-17 12:24:07 PM  
Yeah, and every guy I know is in way better shape than when they were 20.
 
2014-02-17 12:24:39 PM  

CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...


thatsmyfetish.gif
 
2014-02-17 12:26:56 PM  

baconbeard: blatz514: FunkOut: See, that's the excellent thing about always having been ugly. I may look like the Cryptkeeper or Nancy Reagan now at 36 but I experience no depression about having gotten old and gross because I have always had that cackling hunchbacked crone attitude in life. Bopping around thinking "I want to be a pretty pretty princess! Where is my Prince Charming?" is so much less fun than striding about shrieking "I will get you my pretty, and your little dog too! Mwa hah hah hah!"

What I'm saying is that stringing some voodoo charms on your mountain bike is a surefire way for people to leave it alone when you're in the grocery store.

*Clicks profile*

Huh, if you consider yourself ugly, I must be an Adonis.

You must be young. When a woman goes on about how "ugly" she is, she's actually fishing for a compliment (i.e. "attention whoring").

So when a woman tells you that she's "ugly", the correct response is "Don't let that get you down, I'm sure you've got a great personality"


No, dude. I was made fun of so much from age 9 to 18 in school for being ugly it's permanently stuck. I don't really give a damn if someone compliments me. I assume they have a warped sense of perception. Being attractive is a puny goal that wastes time that could be used in pursuit of doing interesting things and having a laugh. I just got a chuckle out of all the guys going "Aw man, chicks are like so busted after they hit 25, they're all just grandmas after that with baggy crepe paper titties flying in the wind, like the saddest windsocks ever."

Besides, I have a man with terrible eyesight to provide me with sex. When you have a man who thinks your greasy hair is shiny hair, you know you've got a keeper.
 
2014-02-17 12:27:52 PM  

redmid17: special20: baconbeard: So when a woman tells you that she's "ugly", the correct response is "Don't let that get you down, I'm sure you've got a great personality"

If anything else, this advice will keep your bar tab low.

Well it will unless you want to get laid and are stuck with the closing time specials. Then you're gonna spend (a lot) more on yourself. I don't know about you, but I can drink a lot more than women.


...and I was admonished by a young lady that the proven strategy of showing up at the bar just before closing time was all rapey... I had to tell her that for the most part, all I've ever done with the slag that's left over before closing time is hold their hair in the parking lot while they vomit at 2:15am. Yeah, I've changed my tack, for sure. Now I hold her hair in the parking lot so I don't blow a wad in it - like a true gentleman.
 
2014-02-17 12:28:34 PM  

Mugato: These are the same people who say things like "40 is the new 20".


And 20 is apparently the new twelve.

This is what happens when you stretch "youth" into your thirties.
 
2014-02-17 12:29:07 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: Yes, well, good to know that in my 40s I'm a repulsive, hideous old waste of oxygen. At least I heard it from my friends at Fark. Thanks, guys!

/yes, that was sarcasm


Don't let that get you down, I'm sure you've got a great personality.
 
2014-02-17 12:30:23 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x939]

54 years old? Kill it with FIRESauté it in butter.!!!!


FYP.

/also, fap.
 
2014-02-17 12:30:42 PM  

mjbok: //Not an editor.  Stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


Two spaces after the period is old school.
Get off your own lawn.
 
2014-02-17 12:30:50 PM  
blackgirllonghair.com
 
2014-02-17 12:32:47 PM  

special20: redmid17: special20: baconbeard: So when a woman tells you that she's "ugly", the correct response is "Don't let that get you down, I'm sure you've got a great personality"

If anything else, this advice will keep your bar tab low.

Well it will unless you want to get laid and are stuck with the closing time specials. Then you're gonna spend (a lot) more on yourself. I don't know about you, but I can drink a lot more than women.

...and I was admonished by a young lady that the proven strategy of showing up at the bar just before closing time was all rapey... I had to tell her that for the most part, all I've ever done with the slag that's left over before closing time is hold their hair in the parking lot while they vomit at 2:15am. Yeah, I've changed my tack, for sure. Now I hold her hair in the parking lot so I don't blow a wad in it - like a true gentleman.


Showing up at closing time is creepy. If you're there the entire night drinking, at least you put the time in and don't come off as opportunistic.
 
2014-02-17 12:33:24 PM  

Speaker2Animals: HotIgneous Intruder: gweilo8888: Wrong according to Random House.  Wrong according to Collins.

Wrong according to the Oxford English Dictionary.

Both aging and ageing are allowable according to all three, and probably others too.

/when grammar / spelling naziing, it's best to check your own beliefs for accuracy before hitting submit.

You lose.
Nonstandard is nonstandard.
Simply because it's printed in a book doesn't make it acceptable use everywhere all the time.
It's all right though. this kind of misinterpretation is one of the pitfalls of teaching serfs to read.
You're forgiven. This is fark, after all.

/Professional national-level editor for a decade.

Subby might be English. I think it's standard usage (or useage?) over there.


When did limey spelling get the nod?
Fark is USA! American all the way. Numbah ONE.
 
2014-02-17 12:33:25 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x939]

54 years old? Kill it with FIRE!!!!


I don't think anyone has said that anything over 28 is unfarkable, or anything of the sort.  The point is that was is good at 54 (the picture posted), was likely better at 44, better still at 34, etc.  Yes, there are 40/50 year olds that look better than some 20/30 year olds.  However, those 40/50 year olds probably looked better at 20/30.  Time and age are the great equalizers, which is why I think men tend to age more gracefully compared to women.  Women hold all of the sexual power up until the later 30's.  Beyond that the ravages of time tend to be worse for women and the power shifts to men.
 
2014-02-17 12:33:56 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: Yes, well, good to know that in my 40s I'm a repulsive, hideous old waste of oxygen. At least I heard it from my friends at Fark. Thanks, guys!

/yes, that was sarcasm


Well, I don't know. What do your elbows look like (rolls eyes).
 
2014-02-17 12:36:13 PM  

CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...


Flesh-coloured Eye of Sauron?
 
2014-02-17 12:37:16 PM  

proteus_b: It would be great to see evidence of a single case of this ever happening---a woman looking better in her 30s than in her 20s. Of 25 billion women who have ever lived, it has probably never happened.


I've known a few that were quite dumpy in their 20's and finally got off their asses and started getting into better exercise and eating habits, and looked WAY better in their older years.
 
2014-02-17 12:37:41 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Two spaces after the period is old school.
Get off your own lawn.


The last time someone's judgement about my typing mattered, two spaces were required or I'd lose points, but touche, that is something very few would catch.

//Posted from my IBM Selectric.
 
2014-02-17 12:38:20 PM  
I think women hit their attractive peak at about 30 to be honest.

Beyond that, the older you go the fewer attractive women there are.

However, there is something extra hot about a 40 y/o who has maintained her looks than an equivalent 20 y/o that makes them more appealing.
 
2014-02-17 12:38:28 PM  

PJ-: I was somehow invited to a going away party for a manager at a restaurant the other day, so it gave me the chance to mingle with all sorts of ages.  The early 20 year old crowd was quite a pleasure to look at, it was made almost impossible to spend any kind of time with them as soon as they opened their mouth.  Most of their conversations involved discussion about their previous snap chat conversation with some random person.  The late 20s early 30s, were not as easy on the eyes, but happily walked away with their phone numbers.  It was nice not being ran off from a conversation, because they actually knew how to hold up a conversation.  The older ones than that, were battleaxes to look at, but almost worse than talking to the younger crowd.  All their conversations came to the same point, their ex-husband/boyfriend were complete assholes, and they better be coming up with the support payments for the kids.

Winner?  Don't date a server.


Well the important thing is you've found a way to be superior to ALL of them.

Good jorb.
 
2014-02-17 12:39:31 PM  
blatz514:

I can still be an Adonis though, right?

You'd be surprised how much action you can get when you dress up like an ancient Greek with some gold laurel leaves and a little white tunic. Some of us ladies like to see some hairy man thighs.
 
2014-02-17 12:40:49 PM  

CleanAndPure: However, there is something extra hot about a 40 y/o who has maintained her looks than an equivalent 20 y/o that makes them more appealing.


It shows something more than bats in the belfrey.
 
2014-02-17 12:41:56 PM  
Take a look at this 50-year-old hag:

cinema-series-tv.fr
 
2014-02-17 12:42:47 PM  
Naysayers obviously don't look at women. I know a lot of women who were better looking at 50 than at 20.
 
2014-02-17 12:43:41 PM  
I hedged by bets and married someone ten years younger than me. I figure that by the time she is ugly, I'll be old anyway.
 
2014-02-17 12:43:45 PM  

Zizzowop: CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...

Uh, that's more like a 50's elbow, I'm over 40 and my elbow looks nothing like that thank you.


51 and MY elbow looks nothing like that.  I just went into the ladies' room and shoved up my sweater sleeve to make sure!
 
2014-02-17 12:44:17 PM  

FunkOut: I don't really give a damn if someone compliments me. I assume they have a warped sense of perception.


Well I don't care if yo give a damn or not, I think you look cool. Your taste in music could use some work.
 
2014-02-17 12:45:06 PM  
Women hit their physical peak between 22 and 27, depending on culture.  Everything beyond that is maturation and the effects of age, the body doesn't improve past the mid-20s.  Genetically we're designed to reproduce ourselves by that age, biologically nothing else matters past that point.
 
2014-02-17 12:45:25 PM  
images.sodahead.com
 
2014-02-17 12:46:46 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Take a look at this 50-year-old hag:

[cinema-series-tv.fr image 425x568]


Asian, has had surgery done

Helps.
 
2014-02-17 12:48:20 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Women hit their physical peak between 22 and 27, depending on culture.  Everything beyond that is maturation and the effects of age, the body doesn't improve past the mid-20s.  Genetically we're designed to reproduce ourselves by that age, biologically nothing else matters past that point.


Culture affects physical maturation?

Well, I guess it would.  Diet, etc. are cultural.
 
2014-02-17 12:48:42 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

If you regularly use lotion to masturbate, and have been for a decade or more, then simply compare your masturbation hand to your other hand. I personally see no age difference between my two hands. And one of them gets lotioned-up a lot!
 
2014-02-17 12:50:14 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Take a look at this 50-year-old hag:

[cinema-series-tv.fr image 425x568]


You do realize this picture is from when she was 41, right?  It was taken 12-9-2004.  She still looks good today, just not this good.  Just as she doesn't look as good in this picture as she did in 1998.
 
2014-02-17 12:53:54 PM  

mjbok: Oh_Enough_Already: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x939]

54 years old? Kill it with FIRE!!!!

I don't think anyone has said that anything over 28 is unfarkable, or anything of the sort.  The point is that was is good at 54 (the picture posted), was likely better at 44, better still at 34, etc.  Yes, there are 40/50 year olds that look better than some 20/30 year olds.  However, those 40/50 year olds probably looked better at 20/30.  Time and age are the great equalizers, which is why I think men tend to age more gracefully compared to women.  Women hold all of the sexual power up until the later 30's.  Beyond that the ravages of time tend to be worse for women and the power shifts to men.


Thank you. For you people posting images of hot older women in the thread: if this thought didn't go through your head I assume you must be pretty bad at thinking.
 
2014-02-17 12:54:25 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Take a look at this 50-year-old hag:

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2014-02-17 12:58:17 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: True, but even if women are hotter at 30 than they are at 50 they're likely to be less batshiat farking insane, so pick your poison, gents.


I would suggest the opposite is true, partially due to faltering looks.  The crazy gene can be activated at any age, but the triggers tend to be more prevalent the older someone is.
 
2014-02-17 12:59:42 PM  

Mugato: FunkOut: I don't really give a damn if someone compliments me. I assume they have a warped sense of perception.

Well I don't care if yo give a damn or not, I think you look cool. Your taste in music could use some work.


I haven't been the same since I lost my vinyl record collection.
 
2014-02-17 01:00:15 PM  

baconbeard: [faqsmedia.ign.com image 363x310]

There are some hot women in their 40's. However, these are the ones that were jaw-droppingly, unbelievably, mind-bogglingly hot in their 20's.


Voted "Smart".
 
2014-02-17 01:02:55 PM  

Two16: baconbeard: [faqsmedia.ign.com image 363x310]

There are some hot women in their 40's. However, these are the ones that were jaw-droppingly, unbelievably, mind-bogglingly hot in their 20's.

Voted "Smart".


And they have professional make up artists with them at all times. Some of those Hollywood without the make up slide shows are scary. Slap enough make up on me, I too, would look like a 20 year old hot chick, just real tall.
 
2014-02-17 01:06:01 PM  

Mugato: FunkOut: I don't really give a damn if someone compliments me. I assume they have a warped sense of perception.

Well I don't care if yo give a damn or not, I think you look cool. Your taste in music could use some work.


Agree.  I would certainly hit that . . .
 
2014-02-17 01:06:49 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Dear Submittard;

Unless you're going to go out and walk in front of traffic later today, you too will one day join the ranks of the "Hey. Look. They're old".

Get used to it, you moron.

Yes - subby will age.  That doesn't mean subby will go around claiming all people of a certain age are more attractive than they were 20 years earlier.

From your bio;


Bio:
I split my time on Fark between calm, reasonable discussion, and trolling. The internet need not be serious business. I'm sorry if I've offended you.


Not offended, and if that's a troll. You need lessons....


Beauty fades. Stupid is forever.

It's not currently trolling.  I'm just pointing out the incredibly obvious difference between saying 40 year old women don't look better than 20 year old women and saying someone will never age.  I'm old and I'll continue to get old for a long while.  That doesn't blind me to the fact that getting old brings with it a lot of downsides, including looking crappier than the healthy, younger equivalent of your current self.

So, the idea that because you might be in poor shape = everyone who's your age must be in piss poor shape as well? Including women?

If you want to believe that, then believe it. I'm telling you, you're wrong.


No, not at all.  I'm not saying anything remotely close to that.

What I am saying is that, all other things being equal, a 20 year old woman (or man) will be in better physical shape than the same 40 year old woman (or man).  And that applies to physical attractiveness.

You can find exceptions where someone was really overweight at 20, or had a horrible fake tan, or acne, or any of a million things generally accepted as unattractive....and if you remove it when they are 40 - they might seem more attractive.  But excluding those edge cases, a normal woman at 20 is more attractive and in better shape than a normal woman at 40.  And it's equally true for men.  Even the most extreme examples, professional models/professional athletes can only keep it up for so long - and they have everything available to them.  Some regular Mom or Dad working a regular job and dealing with regular life problems isn't going to have plastic surgery, personal trainers, and every supplement known to man.  Aging is a losing proposition.

The fact that I'm also going to lose the age battle has no impact on my ability to recognize that it is happening.  The average 20 year-old girl is more physically attractive than the average 30 year-old.  Sorry, it's how it works.  Same deal with 30 v 40 and 40 v 50 and 50 v 60 and 60 v 70.

When a woman says EVERY SINGLE woman she knows looks better in her 30s/40s than she did in her 20s - she's lying or delusional.  It doesn't work that way.  That'd be like some guy saying 'EVERY sprinter he knows runs faster in her 30s/40s than they did in their 20s'.  It doesn't work that way.  The average age for an Olympic athlete is 26.  It's particularly true of sports that require pure physical attributes like weightlighting or sprinting.

We're designed to get old, fall apart, and die.  It's not attractive.  It's life.  Physically, most people are going to peak before 30.  Most girls I know personally, if you go back and look at their pictures - they peaked around 16-20 and have been getting chubbier and wrinklier ever since.  The guys I know don't fair any better, I'm not being sexist about it.
 
2014-02-17 01:13:08 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: You lose.
Nonstandard is nonstandard.
Simply because it's printed in a book doesn't make it acceptable use everywhere all the time.
It's all right though. this kind of misinterpretation is one of the pitfalls of teaching serfs to read.
You're forgiven. This is fark, after all.

/Professional national-level editor for a decade.


Actually, no. It is listed (and not even as being archaic or regional) by multiple major dictionaries, including probably the most respected dictionary in the world.

Just because you've got sand in your vag about it doesn't make it any less legitimate.

/yes, it's less common in the US than in some countries, but still quite frequently used and perfectly allowable
//And sorry to burst your bubble, but I've been a professional editor for a widely-read international publication for 15+ years. (It's OK, though. Had you not whipped yours out for comparison, I wouldn't be doing the same -- after all, it hardly proves anything, now, does it?)
 
2014-02-17 01:13:54 PM  

mjbok: Oh_Enough_Already: True, but even if women are hotter at 30 than they are at 50 they're likely to be less batshiat farking insane, so pick your poison, gents.

I would suggest the opposite is true, partially due to faltering looks.  The crazy gene can be activated at any age, but the triggers tend to be more prevalent the older someone is.


They get... they get even crazier?

Dear God.
 
2014-02-17 01:16:12 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: That'd be like some guy saying 'EVERY sprinter he knows runs faster in her 30s/40s than they did in their 20s'. It doesn't work that way. The average age for an Olympic athlete is 26. It's particularly true of sports that require pure physical attributes like weightlighting or sprinting.

We're designed to get old, fall apart, and die. It's not attractive. It's life. Physically, most people are going to peak before 30. Most girls I know personally, if you go back and look at their pictures - they peaked around 16-20 and have been getting chubbier and wrinklier ever since. The guys I know don't fair any better, I'm not being sexist about it.


The sports thing is interesting because it has a good parallel.  When I was in my 20's I was fairly good at soccer.  In my 30's I had lost a few steps, some power on my shot, etc. but I was a better team player.  As my individual abilities diminished I had to adapt to the game.  I understood the game better and could "see the field" better than I could when I was younger.  Much of that was due to necessity, but it made me a more complete player.

However, if you were drafting a team and you could choose 25 or 35 year old me, you would be better picking 25 year old me.  The overall skill level wasn't as good, but the impact on the game was greater.

It is similar for aging and attractiveness.  People (both male and female) need to bring different skillsets to the table after their raw appeal starts to wane.  Humor, personality, etc. become much more important, plus as you get older you tend to think more about longer term relationships and these traits are much more important.  All beauty fades, but personalities don't have to.
 
2014-02-17 01:20:24 PM  
Men don't age better either, from a cosmetic perspective. But much like apes or other creatures, grizzled, strong males simply get more respect because they are more powerful, experienced, and have more resources. A salt and peppered 50 year old man might be attractive because he has resources, power, knows how to deal with lesser males. But, he is not going to be modeling underwear and swooning the womyn that way. Conversly, a 50 year old woman who is very fit will be found much more attractive than a 50 year old dumpy women who is rich, because instinctively, women are supposed to look hot, young, and fertile. There are simple biological reasons for all of this.

This is why modern society sucks. They are forcing guys to become chicks and chicks to become guys. Chicks maintain the ability to be hot, gain the ability to be the provider, and guys lose the ability to be manly. Hope womyn like it when average Joe sits around the house eating candy and not working.
 
2014-02-17 01:22:56 PM  
This must be the thread where a bunch of pups whine about how older people look so darn old, completely ignoring the fact that they and their significant other will be just that old a lot faster than they think they will be. It creeps up on you fast, kiddos.

I was extremely sexually active and not-unpopular when I was in my 20s. I got married, wasted almost two decades having lousy (or no) sex, and then got divorced and later married my high school sweetheart-- The one who (formerly) got away. The sex is WAY better in our 40s than it was in our 20s or teens, and we both look pretty good, too. Neither of us tans or smokes, and as a result we have better looking skin than a lot of people in their mid-20s.

It's not about age; It's about mileage, kiddos... And a lot of you are putting some heavy miles on that old bonebag of yours, and will look like flabby leather bags by the time you're in your early 30s. You don't need to live like a monk, but getting wasted, smoking like a chimney (smoking ANYthing will mess with your skin and lungs), and laying in the sun to get a tan (or worse, baking in an Easy-Bake Tanning Booth) will kill your looks. Overworking when you're young because you're trying to climb some sort of "success" ladder will add stress and wear-and-tear to that, making you feel older than you are.

But of course, you won't take this advice. You'll keep going, running on all cylinders until you finally hit that wall and look in the mirror one day to see a gnarled, spotty, crooked, beat-up, lined-faced, dry-skinned, paunchy, balding 32-year-old looking back at you... because when you're in your 20s you can't even imagine being 40 and you're all "YOLO"... Not realizing that though you do only live once, you're in that body for a long time, and your little 20-year stretch as a teen and 20-something is just a drop in the bucket. The other 60-80 years, you may be grateful if you took it easy when you were young and saved some of that vigor and beauty for the rest of your life.

People our age bump into us these days, and we look about 25 years younger than they do. They partied harder when they were young, and spent some of that time laughing about how Mrs. Nightbird and I were pale while everyone else was tanned and sober when everyone else was drunk. Now they look and feel like worn-out wrinkly crap, and we're the ones laughing... and then we go home and have sex all afternoon.

Moral of the story: Divorce is one of the best ideas humankind ever had... And oh, yeah- Take it easier on yourself when you're young because you will probably regret what you're doing to yourself when you're a little older and have to live with the consequences for another seven decades. You WILL care, then.
 
2014-02-17 01:25:26 PM  

Nix Nightbird: ...


*clicks profile*...

Aw.
 
2014-02-17 01:25:43 PM  
I've known some women who were plain Janes in their 20s (judging by photos) but took care of themselves through the years and hit a magnificent stride in their 40s or even 50s to somehow bloom into beautiful & sexy creatures.

It is uncommon but some people's looks do improve with age; not everybody's sweet spot is in their 20s.
 
2014-02-17 01:25:51 PM  

Thunderpipes: Men don't age better either, from a cosmetic perspective. But much like apes or other creatures, grizzled, strong males simply get more respect because they are more powerful, experienced, and have more resources. A salt and peppered 50 year old man might be attractive because he has resources, power, knows how to deal with lesser males. But, he is not going to be modeling underwear and swooning the womyn that way. Conversly, a 50 year old woman who is very fit will be found much more attractive than a 50 year old dumpy women who is rich, because instinctively, women are supposed to look hot, young, and fertile. There are simple biological reasons for all of this.

This is why modern society sucks. They are forcing guys to become chicks and chicks to become guys. Chicks maintain the ability to be hot, gain the ability to be the provider, and guys lose the ability to be manly. Hope womyn like it when average Joe sits around the house eating candy and not working.



1954 called. They were looking for you.
 
2014-02-17 01:25:52 PM  

baconbeard: Lapdance: I can't imagine a place with 40yr old Strippers. (Shivers, Shakes)

The last time I was in a strip club was about 15 years ago, in my local hometown dive. Things were going pretty well until the last "entertainer" of the evening. She was a slightly overweight woman in her mid to late 40's. There are some things that can't be unseen. On the drive home, my buddies and I sat in stunned silence, and have never spoken about that evening since.

I have not stepped foot inside a strip club since that horrible, fateful evening, so many years ago.



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Good lord, son, there should be a mandatory retirement age for strippers.
 
2014-02-17 01:28:47 PM  
Motherfarkers who thought their ass would age like wine. If you mean ... If you mean it gets better with age, it don't.

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2014-02-17 01:29:56 PM  
I call bullshiat. Exceptionally few women looks better in their 30s or 40s than they did in their 20s.  Happier? Sure.  Prettier. Heck no.
 
2014-02-17 01:31:25 PM  

mjbok: Fark_Guy_Rob: That'd be like some guy saying 'EVERY sprinter he knows runs faster in her 30s/40s than they did in their 20s'. It doesn't work that way. The average age for an Olympic athlete is 26. It's particularly true of sports that require pure physical attributes like weightlighting or sprinting.

We're designed to get old, fall apart, and die. It's not attractive. It's life. Physically, most people are going to peak before 30. Most girls I know personally, if you go back and look at their pictures - they peaked around 16-20 and have been getting chubbier and wrinklier ever since. The guys I know don't fair any better, I'm not being sexist about it.

The sports thing is interesting because it has a good parallel.  When I was in my 20's I was fairly good at soccer.  In my 30's I had lost a few steps, some power on my shot, etc. but I was a better team player.  As my individual abilities diminished I had to adapt to the game.  I understood the game better and could "see the field" better than I could when I was younger.  Much of that was due to necessity, but it made me a more complete player.

However, if you were drafting a team and you could choose 25 or 35 year old me, you would be better picking 25 year old me.  The overall skill level wasn't as good, but the impact on the game was greater.

It is similar for aging and attractiveness.  People (both male and female) need to bring different skillsets to the table after their raw appeal starts to wane.  Humor, personality, etc. become much more important, plus as you get older you tend to think more about longer term relationships and these traits are much more important.  All beauty fades, but personalities don't have to.


Yeah - absolutely.  And certainly as I age I wouldn't be as interested in dating a 20 year-old girl for all of those other reasons (though I would still gravitate towards a girl younger than myself).

But the original quote was all about looks.
 
2014-02-17 01:31:47 PM  

Zizzowop: CeroX: A 40's elbow:
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a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...

Uh, that's more like a 50's elbow, I'm over 40 and my elbow looks nothing like that thank you.


Nah. I'm over 50 and my elbow looks nothing like that, either.

I think I looked most attractive in my late 30s/early 40s. That said, I have no desire to be in my 20s or 30s again.

What's weird is, since I hit my late 40s, I get approached more by younger men (they appear to be in their 40s). Either guys at that age are turned on by saggy boobs and lumpy asses, or they think I'm desperate (I'm not).
 
2014-02-17 01:33:48 PM  

CoonAce: I've known some women who were plain Janes in their 20s (judging by photos) but took care of themselves through the years and hit a magnificent stride in their 40s or even 50s to somehow bloom into beautiful & sexy creatures.

It is uncommon but some people's looks do improve with age; not everybody's sweet spot is in their 20s.


Totally agree. A lot of people blossom when the hit 30. Their youth is awkward, then suddenly they get a little maturity and BANG, they're ridiculously hot.

Some of the younger people here will witness that phenomenon when they go to their 10 or 20-year high school reunion. One plain-looking girl or guy will show up looking incredible, and nobody will recognize them... And instantly regret calling them "pizza face" throughout their school years.

The down side of this is that about 50% of the time, that person will have developed an attitude problem and will become a snotty jerk.

Looks ain't everything. The most physically beautiful person can appear ugly if they don't have an intellect or personality worth a damn.
 
2014-02-17 01:35:40 PM  

Lorelle: Zizzowop: CeroX: A 40's elbow:
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a 20's elbow:
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I'll take the lower, thanks...

Uh, that's more like a 50's elbow, I'm over 40 and my elbow looks nothing like that thank you.

Nah. I'm over 50 and my elbow looks nothing like that, either.

I think I looked most attractive in my late 30s/early 40s. That said, I have no desire to be in my 20s or 30s again.

What's weird is, since I hit my late 40s, I get approached more by younger men (they appear to be in their 40s). Either guys at that age are turned on by saggy boobs and lumpy asses, or they think I'm desperate (I'm not).


That is the elbow of a person who worshiped the sun a bit too much.

Really, people-- Tanning is the WORST thing you can do for your looks.
 
2014-02-17 01:39:12 PM  

Nix Nightbird: CoonAce: I've known some women who were plain Janes in their 20s (judging by photos) but took care of themselves through the years and hit a magnificent stride in their 40s or even 50s to somehow bloom into beautiful & sexy creatures.

It is uncommon but some people's looks do improve with age; not everybody's sweet spot is in their 20s.

Totally agree. A lot of people blossom when the hit 30. Their youth is awkward, then suddenly they get a little maturity and BANG, they're ridiculously hot.

Some of the younger people here will witness that phenomenon when they go to their 10 or 20-year high school reunion. One plain-looking girl or guy will show up looking incredible, and nobody will recognize them... And instantly regret calling them "pizza face" throughout their school years.

The down side of this is that about 50% of the time, that person will have developed an attitude problem and will become a snotty jerk.

Looks ain't everything. The most physically beautiful person can appear ugly if they don't have an intellect or personality worth a damn.


I'm not saying those situations don't happen - but it's more about why they happen.  Even in your example, you mention pizza face.  So sure, someone who was unattractive because of X at age 20 could get rid of X at age 30.  But they still won't be as attractive as they would have been if they were 20 and didn't have X.

So sure, fat chick at 20 becomes hot fit chick at 30.
Chick with acne and crooked teeth gets clear skin and straight teeth at 30.
Or plain chick at 20 learns to wear make up, dresses nice, and gets a boob job at 30.

In all of those cases, they'd still be more attractive in their 20s, had they been able to make those changes.
 
2014-02-17 01:39:42 PM  
Say, where is our favorite anti-aging, anti-technology blowhard, QA? A quick Fark search says he hasn't been on since October. Anyone know if he's ok?
 
2014-02-17 01:40:06 PM  

Nix Nightbird: That is the elbow of a person who worshiped the sun a bit too much.

Really, people-- Tanning is the WORST thing you can do for your looks.


This is true. I have very few lines on my face because I was taught to use sunscreen at an early age.
 
2014-02-17 01:40:43 PM  
I think most women peak in their teens because their metabolism and youth makes up for their terrible diet and lifestyle.
Granted, that's the natural peak for us as animals with a lifespan of 30 years.
 
2014-02-17 01:41:43 PM  
I'm 28 and can probably throw on a backpack and walk into my local high school unnoticed. My old man looked super young and probably still would if it wasn't for a big divorce late in his life. I hope I can age as well as him minus the stress.
 
2014-02-17 01:48:35 PM  

Nix Nightbird: This must be the thread where a bunch of pups whine about how older people look so darn old, completely ignoring the fact that they and their significant other will be just that old a lot faster than they think they will be. It creeps up on you fast, kiddos.

I was extremely sexually active and not-unpopular when I was in my 20s. I got married, wasted almost two decades having lousy (or no) sex, and then got divorced and later married my high school sweetheart-- The one who (formerly) got away. The sex is WAY better in our 40s than it was in our 20s or teens, and we both look pretty good, too. Neither of us tans or smokes, and as a result we have better looking skin than a lot of people in their mid-20s.

It's not about age; It's about mileage, kiddos... And a lot of you are putting some heavy miles on that old bonebag of yours, and will look like flabby leather bags by the time you're in your early 30s. You don't need to live like a monk, but getting wasted, smoking like a chimney (smoking ANYthing will mess with your skin and lungs), and laying in the sun to get a tan (or worse, baking in an Easy-Bake Tanning Booth) will kill your looks. Overworking when you're young because you're trying to climb some sort of "success" ladder will add stress and wear-and-tear to that, making you feel older than you are.

But of course, you won't take this advice. You'll keep going, running on all cylinders until you finally hit that wall and look in the mirror one day to see a gnarled, spotty, crooked, beat-up, lined-faced, dry-skinned, paunchy, balding 32-year-old looking back at you... because when you're in your 20s you can't even imagine being 40 and you're all "YOLO"... Not realizing that though you do only live once, you're in that body for a long time, and your little 20-year stretch as a teen and 20-something is just a drop in the bucket. The other 60-80 years, you may be grateful if you took it easy when you were young and saved some of that vigor and beauty for the rest ...


Indeed. I am 40 and am not nor have I ever been pretty. I rather look like Jackie Kennedy and Jim Morrison had gotten together and had an unattractive, midget daughter. However, I have never smoked, I don't drink to excess except on rare occasions, and I don't tan (I don't put on sunscreen as much as I should, though). Anyway, I am short and have decent skin and color my hair, so people always assume I am younger than I am. I also wear better clothes now and, yes, that does make a difference. Still, my skin and hair are showing their age more and more every day.
 
2014-02-17 01:49:02 PM  
i think entirely too much time is spent thinking about age as a number. there are 30 year olds that look like 50, and there are 50 year olds that look like 30.  it's pretty simple, stay healthy, have an acceptable body, and don't tan or do meth.
 
2014-02-17 01:49:10 PM  

WienerButt: I'm 28 and can probably throw on a backpack and walk into my local high school unnoticed. My old man looked super young and probably still would if it wasn't for a big divorce late in his life. I hope I can age as well as him minus the stress.


I was going to call bullshiat, but then I checked your profile. Being a senior in HS might be a bit of a stretch but if you told me you were a college freshman I wouldn't bat an eye.
 
2014-02-17 01:49:17 PM  
From a pure physical standpoint, a hot 20 year old will always be hotter than a hot 40 year old.

That's just like, my opinion, man.
 
PJ-
2014-02-17 01:50:29 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: PJ-: I was somehow invited to a going away party for a manager at a restaurant the other day, so it gave me the chance to mingle with all sorts of ages.  The early 20 year old crowd was quite a pleasure to look at, it was made almost impossible to spend any kind of time with them as soon as they opened their mouth.  Most of their conversations involved discussion about their previous snap chat conversation with some random person.  The late 20s early 30s, were not as easy on the eyes, but happily walked away with their phone numbers.  It was nice not being ran off from a conversation, because they actually knew how to hold up a conversation.  The older ones than that, were battleaxes to look at, but almost worse than talking to the younger crowd.  All their conversations came to the same point, their ex-husband/boyfriend were complete assholes, and they better be coming up with the support payments for the kids.

Winner?  Don't date a server.

Well the important thing is you've found a way to be superior to ALL of them.

Good jorb.


What can I say, it's a gift.
 
2014-02-17 01:52:05 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Aging.
It's spelled AGING.Not AGEING.


Weird how a newspaper published in the UK uses the British spelling, eh?
 
2014-02-17 01:52:24 PM  

Carousel Beast: Say, where is our favorite anti-aging, anti-technology blowhard, QA? A quick Fark search says he hasn't been on since October. Anyone know if he's ok?


It's against the rules to discuss such things, but he has most certainly posted far more recently than that.
Sounds like his recent history was pruned, and there's generally a reason behind that.
 
2014-02-17 01:58:48 PM  

Lorelle: What's weird is, since I hit my late 40s, I get approached more by younger men (they appear to be in their 40s). Either guys at that age are turned on by saggy boobs and lumpy asses, or they think I'm desperate (I'm not).


Do you really want to know the reason for this?
 
2014-02-17 01:59:08 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Nix Nightbird: CoonAce: I've known some women who were plain Janes in their 20s (judging by photos) but took care of themselves through the years and hit a magnificent stride in their 40s or even 50s to somehow bloom into beautiful & sexy creatures.

It is uncommon but some people's looks do improve with age; not everybody's sweet spot is in their 20s.

Totally agree. A lot of people blossom when the hit 30. Their youth is awkward, then suddenly they get a little maturity and BANG, they're ridiculously hot.

Some of the younger people here will witness that phenomenon when they go to their 10 or 20-year high school reunion. One plain-looking girl or guy will show up looking incredible, and nobody will recognize them... And instantly regret calling them "pizza face" throughout their school years.

The down side of this is that about 50% of the time, that person will have developed an attitude problem and will become a snotty jerk.

Looks ain't everything. The most physically beautiful person can appear ugly if they don't have an intellect or personality worth a damn.

I'm not saying those situations don't happen - but it's more about why they happen.  Even in your example, you mention pizza face.  So sure, someone who was unattractive because of X at age 20 could get rid of X at age 30.  But they still won't be as attractive as they would have been if they were 20 and didn't have X.

So sure, fat chick at 20 becomes hot fit chick at 30.
Chick with acne and crooked teeth gets clear skin and straight teeth at 30.
Or plain chick at 20 learns to wear make up, dresses nice, and gets a boob job at 30.

In all of those cases, they'd still be more attractive in their 20s, had they been able to make those changes.


I'm not talking about reformed fatties, creepy plastic surgery, braces, or anything like that.  I'm talking about unchanged plain Janes who stay physically fit and somehow end up downright foxy in their 40s because their natural looks have aged really well.  Some people's looks are such that they look better older than young.

But beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so if you find older women a turnoff -- period -- then you will prefer the 20-year-old version no matter what.
 
2014-02-17 02:00:03 PM  

Theaetetus: CeroX: A 40's elbow:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 240x320]

a 20's elbow:
[www.tenniselbowtips.com image 300x300]

I'll take the lower, thanks...

I honestly can't say that I've ever spent a significant amount of time considering a woman's elbow. Are you sure you're not just looking for excuses for your asexuality?


My asexuality is my own damn fault... for getting married.
 
2014-02-17 02:01:39 PM  
I like attractive older women not because they're better looking than hot 20-somethings (stop kidding yourself), but because they're attractive for their age AND probably capable of a full conversation AND are probably financially secure
 
2014-02-17 02:07:17 PM  
Well, this thread is every bit as creepy as I was expecting it to be.

Congrats on maintaining the status quo, everyone.
 
2014-02-17 02:08:49 PM  

baconbeard: Lorelle: What's weird is, since I hit my late 40s, I get approached more by younger men (they appear to be in their 40s). Either guys at that age are turned on by saggy boobs and lumpy asses, or they think I'm desperate (I'm not).

Do you really want to know the reason for this?


They're horny and haven't gotten any in ages.
 
2014-02-17 02:18:39 PM  

mjbok: I. R. Rottweiler: Yeah, women over 40 are all wretched crones.

[i1058.photobucket.com image 600x319]

/ Really, I'm the first?

I don't know about the second and third pictures in that composite, but the JA one is from when she was 32.


ALL of those pictures were taken when those actresses were in their 30s. I. R. Rottweiler, you might have at least tried to find more recent pix if you wanted your point to hold any water.
 
2014-02-17 02:23:43 PM  

SordidEuphemism: SordidEuphemism: I love the way she writes. I couldn't care less about her complexion.

Well, drat.


Hey, typo's happen.  The key part is that you know you made a mistake, and you aren't, in fact, a raging moron.

So take heart.  There are farkers that ACTUALLY think that 'could care less' is the correct statement.
 
2014-02-17 02:27:27 PM  
I don't care about elbows.  Give me a woman over 30 who takes care of herself (to an extent) and loves live.  I really don't want to date anyone under 30 ever again.
 
2014-02-17 02:37:10 PM  

CoonAce: Fark_Guy_Rob: Nix Nightbird: CoonAce: I've known some women who were plain Janes in their 20s (judging by photos) but took care of themselves through the years and hit a magnificent stride in their 40s or even 50s to somehow bloom into beautiful & sexy creatures.

It is uncommon but some people's looks do improve with age; not everybody's sweet spot is in their 20s.

Totally agree. A lot of people blossom when the hit 30. Their youth is awkward, then suddenly they get a little maturity and BANG, they're ridiculously hot.

Some of the younger people here will witness that phenomenon when they go to their 10 or 20-year high school reunion. One plain-looking girl or guy will show up looking incredible, and nobody will recognize them... And instantly regret calling them "pizza face" throughout their school years.

The down side of this is that about 50% of the time, that person will have developed an attitude problem and will become a snotty jerk.

Looks ain't everything. The most physically beautiful person can appear ugly if they don't have an intellect or personality worth a damn.

I'm not saying those situations don't happen - but it's more about why they happen.  Even in your example, you mention pizza face.  So sure, someone who was unattractive because of X at age 20 could get rid of X at age 30.  But they still won't be as attractive as they would have been if they were 20 and didn't have X.

So sure, fat chick at 20 becomes hot fit chick at 30.
Chick with acne and crooked teeth gets clear skin and straight teeth at 30.
Or plain chick at 20 learns to wear make up, dresses nice, and gets a boob job at 30.

In all of those cases, they'd still be more attractive in their 20s, had they been able to make those changes.

I'm not talking about reformed fatties, creepy plastic surgery, braces, or anything like that.  I'm talking about unchanged plain Janes who stay physically fit and somehow end up downright foxy in their 40s because their natural looks have aged really ...


I get that everyone has their own kinks - but I'm maintaining that physical attractiveness as defined by the median opinions of society are such that the 20 year old will always beat out the equivalent 40 year old.  That doesn't mean there is some guy out there who loves 70+ chicks.
 
2014-02-17 02:41:22 PM  

Lorelle: baconbeard: Lorelle: What's weird is, since I hit my late 40s, I get approached more by younger men (they appear to be in their 40s). Either guys at that age are turned on by saggy boobs and lumpy asses, or they think I'm desperate (I'm not).

Do you really want to know the reason for this?

They're horny and haven't gotten any in ages.


Men are lazy. Older women are seen in the same light as the fat chicks at closing time (easy prey with little effort, in other words). Some older women mistake this as "attraction to the maturity, grace, and poise that an older woman possesses", and genuinely believe that the younger man is interested in a longer-term relationship.
 
2014-02-17 02:41:27 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I get that everyone has their own kinks - but I'm maintaining that physical attractiveness as defined by the median opinions of society are such that the 20 year old will always beat out the equivalent 40 year old.  That doesn't mean there is some guy out there who loves 70+ chicks.


If the only defining factor is what she looks like naked.  Maybe.

If you happen to care about more than that, almost never.
 
2014-02-17 02:42:02 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Dear Submittard;

Unless you're going to go out and walk in front of traffic later today, you too will one day join the ranks of the "Hey. Look. They're old".

Get used to it, you moron.

Yes - subby will age.  That doesn't mean subby will go around claiming all people of a certain age are more attractive than they were 20 years earlier.

From your bio;


Bio:
I split my time on Fark between calm, reasonable discussion, and trolling. The internet need not be serious business. I'm sorry if I've offended you.


Not offended, and if that's a troll. You need lessons....


Beauty fades. Stupid is forever.

It's not currently trolling.  I'm just pointing out the incredibly obvious difference between saying 40 year old women don't look better than 20 year old women and saying someone will never age.  I'm old and I'll continue to get old for a long while.  That doesn't blind me to the fact that getting old brings with it a lot of downsides, including looking crappier than the healthy, younger equivalent of your current self.

So, the idea that because you might be in poor shape = everyone who's your age must be in piss poor shape as well? Including women?

If you want to believe that, then believe it. I'm telling you, you're wrong.

No, not at all.  I'm not saying anything remotely close to that.

What I am saying is that, all other things being equal, a 20 year old woman (or man) will be in better physical shape than the same 40 year old woman (or man).  And that applies to physical attractiveness.

You can find exceptions where someone was really overweight at 20, or had a horrible fake tan, or acne, or any of a million things generally accepted as unattractive....and if you remove it when they are 40 - they might seem more attractive.  But excluding those edge cases, a normal woman at 20 is more attractive and in better shape than a normal woman at 40.  And it's equally true for men.  Even the ...


You had me right to "We're designed to get old, fall apart, and die. .". Um. No. We're not. I was never designed. I'm not a kit of parts someone puts together. I get what you're saying, but it's complete bullsh*t. You do realize that human evolution has allowed people to quadruple (or more) their life span in the past 10,000 years right? And I'm what I am now, because I worked to be what I am. That's the point you're completely missing. You get out of life what you put into it. Young, or new, isn't better. It's worse. It's inexperience, cockiness, and general ignorance. It's easy to die, it's making massive mistakes, and it's not sexy. It's get it over with, quick, and move on because it's lack of experience....That's not good. It's beta.

I'm getting the sense you're not satisfied with your own life, and you're projecting.

I see people who are young and fat and very unhealty, and then I see people who are over 30 looking fantastic, fit and mentaly fun. Youth is wasted on the young, quoting from It's a Wonderful life.

Part of being sexy, at any age, is the mind behind it. If you wanted a mindless f*ck, then buy a real doll.
 
2014-02-17 02:45:07 PM  

FraggleStickCar: Well, this thread is every bit as creepy as I was expecting it to be.

Congrats on maintaining the status quo, everyone.


But if we stopped, you'd have to find a new place to go for your confirmation bias. And we couldn't have that now, could we?
 
2014-02-17 02:46:46 PM  

FraggleStickCar: Well, this thread is every bit as creepy as I was expecting it to be.

Congrats on maintaining the status quo, everyone.


The one where we think young people are more physically attractive than old people? Why can't humans just stop being human, damn it.
 
2014-02-17 02:51:17 PM  

FunkOut: See, that's the excellent thing about always having been ugly. I may look like the Cryptkeeper or Nancy Reagan now at 36 but I experience no depression about having gotten old and gross because I have always had that cackling hunchbacked crone attitude in life. Bopping around thinking "I want to be a pretty pretty princess! Where is my Prince Charming?" is so much less fun than striding about shrieking "I will get you my pretty, and your little dog too! Mwa hah hah hah!"

What I'm saying is that stringing some voodoo charms on your mountain bike is a surefire way for people to leave it alone when you're in the grocery store.


And an evil witch cackle is a great party trick.

/And kids like it, oddly enough.
 
2014-02-17 02:51:41 PM  

baconbeard: Lorelle: baconbeard: Lorelle: What's weird is, since I hit my late 40s, I get approached more by younger men (they appear to be in their 40s). Either guys at that age are turned on by saggy boobs and lumpy asses, or they think I'm desperate (I'm not).

Do you really want to know the reason for this?

They're horny and haven't gotten any in ages.

Men are lazy. Older women are seen in the same light as the fat chicks at closing time (easy prey with little effort, in other words). Some older women mistake this as "attraction to the maturity, grace, and poise that an older woman possesses", and genuinely believe that the younger man is interested in a longer-term relationship.


Exactly. A couple of Saturdays ago I went to a local supermarket, sans makeup, with my hair down, wearing a frumpy old dress and Birkenstocks, and was approached by a younger guy who told me I was very beautiful and wanted to take me out. I told him I wasn't interested, but he insisted upon giving me his phone number. I again told him I wasn't interested, he persisted, and I finally told him to take a hike (using slightly different language).

Last Wednesday, I was at a local gas station, putting gas into my car, while dressed in office attire (a nice dress, stockings, nice shoes), and had my hair up and makeup on. I was approached by an older man who told me I would be prettier if I lost some weight, then he proceeded to tell me that he had lost over 100 pounds. I congratulated him, finished pumping gas, then got into my car and drove away.

Some men can't get it through their heads that just because a woman is old and fat, it doesn't mean that she's desperate.
 
2014-02-17 02:59:37 PM  

Lorelle: baconbeard: Lorelle: baconbeard: Lorelle: What's weird is, since I hit my late 40s, I get approached more by younger men (they appear to be in their 40s). Either guys at that age are turned on by saggy boobs and lumpy asses, or they think I'm desperate (I'm not).

Do you really want to know the reason for this?

They're horny and haven't gotten any in ages.

Men are lazy. Older women are seen in the same light as the fat chicks at closing time (easy prey with little effort, in other words). Some older women mistake this as "attraction to the maturity, grace, and poise that an older woman possesses", and genuinely believe that the younger man is interested in a longer-term relationship.

Exactly. A couple of Saturdays ago I went to a local supermarket, sans makeup, with my hair down, wearing a frumpy old dress and Birkenstocks, and was approached by a younger guy who told me I was very beautiful and wanted to take me out. I told him I wasn't interested, but he insisted upon giving me his phone number. I again told him I wasn't interested, he persisted, and I finally told him to take a hike (using slightly different language).

Last Wednesday, I was at a local gas station, putting gas into my car, while dressed in office attire (a nice dress, stockings, nice shoes), and had my hair up and makeup on. I was approached by an older man who told me I would be prettier if I lost some weight, then he proceeded to tell me that he had lost over 100 pounds. I congratulated him, finished pumping gas, then got into my car and drove away.

Some men can't get it through their heads that just because a woman is old and fat, it doesn't mean that she's desperate.


Yeah, men are pretty stupid when it comes to stuff like that...
 
2014-02-17 03:06:52 PM  
Of course I'm older and happier. I don't have much choice about the older, and I can't do much about the looks, except get some kind of freaky surgery (that would make me unhappy), so I might as well be happy with what I have.

You know, "better than the alternative."

/Which is dead, in case you're slow.
 
2014-02-17 03:07:23 PM  
 
2014-02-17 03:10:28 PM  
OK, so all the 30, 40yr old single women are looking better. But, um, what about the married ones?
 
2014-02-17 03:16:16 PM  

baconbeard: Yeah, men are pretty stupid when it comes to stuff like that...


I fell for the "oh, you're so pretty" line when I was thin and 19, and lived to regret it. Since then, I've been pretty suspicious of men who try to chat me up.
 
2014-02-17 03:17:56 PM  
What I notice that is odd, is that most 20 year old (when I was 20) were skinny.   Now they appear to either not care about their weight or go to the extremes and get all the surgery to look different.  I am more fit than my daughters friends who are in their teens.

We played outside though.
 
2014-02-17 03:19:23 PM  

Lorelle: baconbeard: Yeah, men are pretty stupid when it comes to stuff like that...

I fell for the "oh, you're so pretty" line when I was thin and 19, and lived to regret it. Since then, I've been pretty suspicious of men who try to chat me up.


I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to chat up someone. It's when they can't take a hint and keep pushing that it becomes incredibly creepy.
 
2014-02-17 03:20:40 PM  
Women in their 30ies definitely are on average the better farks and able to engage you in a meaningful conversation compared to 20 something old child-girls.
 
2014-02-17 03:22:26 PM  

Monophtalmos: Women in their 30ies definitely are on average the better farks and able to engage you in a meaningful conversation compared to 20 something old child-girls.


Meh. If I want a "meaningful conversation" I'll hang out with my buddies. Give me the hot, insatiable, 20-something sex kittens!
 
2014-02-17 03:26:22 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Carousel Beast: Say, where is our favorite anti-aging, anti-technology blowhard, QA? A quick Fark search says he hasn't been on since October. Anyone know if he's ok?

It's against the rules to discuss such things, but he has most certainly posted far more recently than that.
Sounds like his recent history was pruned, and there's generally a reason behind that.


Thanks. I agree with him on next to nothing, but he does seem like a pretty decent, likable guy. Was actually hoping to meet him sometime - my company has a location in his area that I support.
 
2014-02-17 03:31:22 PM  

baconbeard: Lorelle: baconbeard: Yeah, men are pretty stupid when it comes to stuff like that...

I fell for the "oh, you're so pretty" line when I was thin and 19, and lived to regret it. Since then, I've been pretty suspicious of men who try to chat me up.

I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to chat up someone. It's when they can't take a hint and keep pushing that it becomes incredibly creepy.


Yup. The creepiest encounter I ever had happened a few years ago in the produce section at Ralphs. A younger guy tried to pick up on me, and when I turned him down, he said, "So, what's the matter? Are you afraid of sex?"

What made this even creepier (besides the fact that we were standing near squash and cucumbers) was that I had a premonition about it in a dream a few days earlier. The location was different, but the comment was almost exactly the same. Weird.
 
2014-02-17 03:31:39 PM  

Kahabut: If the only defining factor is what she looks like naked. Maybe.

If you happen to care about more than that, almost never.


The post you quoted was about "physical attractiveness."  If you took a group of 100  different 24 year old women, dressed them up and took pictures, then sealed the clothes in a bag, waited until they were 40, removed the clothes from the sealed bag, and retook similar pictures, 90% of the pictures of the 24 year old version would be more physically attractive.

//Run-on sentence runs on.
 
2014-02-17 03:37:12 PM  

baconbeard: Monophtalmos: Women in their 30ies definitely are on average the better farks and able to engage you in a meaningful conversation compared to 20 something old child-girls.

Meh. If I want a "meaningful conversation" I'll hang out with my buddies. Give me the hot, insatiable, 20-something sex kittens!


Supposedly the female sexual peak is around 35-40.
 
2014-02-17 03:37:48 PM  

mjbok: Kahabut: If the only defining factor is what she looks like naked. Maybe.

If you happen to care about more than that, almost never.

The post you quoted was about "physical attractiveness."  If you took a group of 100  different 24 year old women, dressed them up and took pictures, then sealed the clothes in a bag, waited until they were 40, removed the clothes from the sealed bag, and retook similar pictures, 90% of the pictures of the 24 year old version would be more physically attractive.

women would be too fat to wear the clothes they wore at age 24.

FTFY
 
2014-02-17 03:38:32 PM  
Okay, if 30-40s are better than 20s, if you mate up with a 20-something you've got that to look forward to. If you go with the supposedly hotter 40-something then you get to look forward to the 50-60s when their looks fall off a cliff.

/not you honey, those other women
 
2014-02-17 03:39:16 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Fark_Guy_Rob: indarwinsshadow: Dear Submittard;

Unless you're going to go out and walk in front of traffic later today, you too will one day join the ranks of the "Hey. Look. They're old".

Get used to it, you moron.

Yes - subby will age.  That doesn't mean subby will go around claiming all people of a certain age are more attractive than they were 20 years earlier.

From your bio;


Bio:
I split my time on Fark between calm, reasonable discussion, and trolling. The internet need not be serious business. I'm sorry if I've offended you.


Not offended, and if that's a troll. You need lessons....


Beauty fades. Stupid is forever.

It's not currently trolling.  I'm just pointing out the incredibly obvious difference between saying 40 year old women don't look better than 20 year old women and saying someone will never age.  I'm old and I'll continue to get old for a long while.  That doesn't blind me to the fact that getting old brings with it a lot of downsides, including looking crappier than the healthy, younger equivalent of your current self.

So, the idea that because you might be in poor shape = everyone who's your age must be in piss poor shape as well? Including women?

If you want to believe that, then believe it. I'm telling you, you're wrong.

No, not at all.  I'm not saying anything remotely close to that.

What I am saying is that, all other things being equal, a 20 year old woman (or man) will be in better physical shape than the same 40 year old woman (or man).  And that applies to physical attractiveness.

You can find exceptions where someone was really overweight at 20, or had a horrible fake tan, or acne, or any of a million things generally accepted as unattractive....and if you remove it when they are 40 - they might seem more attractive.  But excluding those edge cases, a normal woman at 20 is more attractive and in better shape than a normal woman at 40.  And it's equally true for ...


You're splitting hairs for the sake of argument.  I'm not arguing an intelligent designer, I'm using common phrases to express my point.  Okay - you weren't designed.  Fine.  You *evolved*.  Or are living in the Matrix.  Whatever.  It doesn't matter.  Whatever caused you to be here, you are.  And the way your body works is that it degrades.  Cells are replaced and even though the new cells are new, they act like they are old.  Over time, the aging process becomes more pronounced.

That's how your body works.  It's how all normal human bodies work.  It's not a disease, it's not abnormal.  Whether it is 'by design' or the random chance or whatever - you, I, and everyone else here is going to age and die.  Most everything that lives follows a similar pattern.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_damage_theory_of_aging

None of this has anything to do with my life, my age, or my fitness level.  I'm not claiming you can find an out of shape 20 year-old.  I'm saying that you can't find an in-shape 20 year old who can maintain that same level of fitness for another 10, 20 or 30 years.  In extreme cases, you might find an athlete who can compete at the same level for 10 years....but it's rare and the examples you find will be a perfect example of confirmation bias.

There is a huge, huge body of evidence around the aging process and an endless number of concrete examples that clearly show all of this.

Physical attractiveness is somewhat subjective, but mostly agreed upon.  It closely parallels other physical attributes and is reasonably tied to physical fitness.  All of the same aging stuff applies to both, but it's easier to objectively measure how fast someone can run than how many lines are on their face.  Still, it's all the same.  People get less attractive as they age.  There are exceptions, like the examples you gave, but they are rare and do nothing to invalidate the effects of aging.  It's just muddying the water.

If you honestly believe that aging doesn't negatively impact physical attractiveness, there should be no difference in the physical attractiveness of 20 year olds and 30 year olds, right?

A lot of people will argue that.  They can think of some hot 30 year-olds.  But if that holds, there should be no different in the physical attractiveness of 30 year olds and 40 year olds, right?

But almost everyone will admit that the average 40 year old looks old!  And the average 20 year old doesn't.  If aging didn't make people less attractive, there would be no difference in the perceived level of physical attractiveness between 40 year-olds and 50 year olds, 50 year olds and 60 year olds....and what with math being all mathy - that would follow that 20 year-olds would be as physically attractive as 60 year-olds.  And virtually nobody is going to try and make that argument.

Still, a lot of people feel uncomfortable about this.  A lot of people have said things like, 'Well, YOU WILL GET OLD too' and that is their way of saying 'You are right, but I don't like it'.  They are acknowledging that it is true....but that they don't like it being pointed out.  And that's fine.  But it *is* true.

You're even half agreeing with me.  You mention 'the mind'.  What does that have to do with anything?  We are talking about physical attractiveness.  You're basically implying that 'Sure, maybe the older chick doesn't look as good, but what about their minds?'  - and that is a totally different discussion.  I'm not saying there isn't merit to dating an older chick, or sleeping with an older chick.  I'm strictly responding to the claim that chicks in their 30s and 40s look *better* than they did in their 20s.
 
2014-02-17 03:59:04 PM  
My friend used to fark a lot of older women. He had the most luck on dating sites and a few bars that catered to an older crowd ( hard to find around here.) He had a thing for older chicks and actually did a study in college about socioeconomics and basically how it was much easier to bang older women who struggled more socio economically. He said while not impossible , banging a girl in Miami was a bit more challenging than banging one in say, Lakeland Florida. Of course it was much more sophisticated than that but ...that the gist of it.
 
2014-02-17 04:00:14 PM  

baconbeard: Monophtalmos: Women in their 30ies definitely are on average the better farks and able to engage you in a meaningful conversation compared to 20 something old child-girls.

Meh. If I want a "meaningful conversation" I'll hang out with my buddies. Give me the hot, insatiable, 20-something sex kittens!


I have a suspicion that you and your buddies haven't managed to have anything close to a meaningful conversation.  Ever.
It's also rather sad you don't have any female friends with which you can converse, don't worry though, when you grow up, you'll find some.
 
2014-02-17 04:01:01 PM  
Article written by older woman?

*clicks link*

Yep.
 
2014-02-17 04:03:23 PM  

Thunderpipes: Men don't age better either, from a cosmetic perspective. But much like apes or other creatures, grizzled, strong males simply get more respect because they are more powerful, experienced, and have more resources. A salt and peppered 50 year old man might be attractive because he has resources, power, knows how to deal with lesser males. But, he is not going to be modeling underwear and swooning the womyn that way. Conversly, a 50 year old woman who is very fit will be found much more attractive than a 50 year old dumpy women who is rich, because instinctively, women are supposed to look hot, young, and fertile. There are simple biological reasons for all of this.

This is why modern society sucks. They are forcing guys to become chicks and chicks to become guys. Chicks maintain the ability to be hot, gain the ability to be the provider, and guys lose the ability to be manly. Hope womyn like it when average Joe sits around the house eating candy and not working.


For some reason as I aged I tended to get hit on more, or maybe I was less clueless and could recognize it as it happened. One thing guys have in their favor as they age is that they gain confidence, and all women find that attractive.
 
2014-02-17 04:07:46 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Take a look at this 50-year-old hag:

[cinema-series-tv.fr image 425x568]


And she is hot only because she does not look her age.
 
2014-02-17 04:08:34 PM  

Kahabut: baconbeard: Monophtalmos: Women in their 30ies definitely are on average the better farks and able to engage you in a meaningful conversation compared to 20 something old child-girls.

Meh. If I want a "meaningful conversation" I'll hang out with my buddies. Give me the hot, insatiable, 20-something sex kittens!

I have a suspicion that you and your buddies haven't managed to have anything close to a meaningful conversation.  Ever.
It's also rather sad you don't have any female friends with which you can converse, don't worry though, when you grow up, you'll find some.


The hell you say. Why just the other night we conclusively resolved whether or not an Enterprise-class Starship (circa 2285) could defeat an Imperial Star Destroyer.
 
2014-02-17 04:11:41 PM  

baconbeard: Kahabut: baconbeard: Monophtalmos: Women in their 30ies definitely are on average the better farks and able to engage you in a meaningful conversation compared to 20 something old child-girls.

Meh. If I want a "meaningful conversation" I'll hang out with my buddies. Give me the hot, insatiable, 20-something sex kittens!

I have a suspicion that you and your buddies haven't managed to have anything close to a meaningful conversation.  Ever.
It's also rather sad you don't have any female friends with which you can converse, don't worry though, when you grow up, you'll find some.

The hell you say. Why just the other night we conclusively resolved whether or not an Enterprise-class Starship (circa 2285) could defeat an Imperial Star Destroyer.


Was the ISD a I-class or II-class? Did you also consider the shuttle vs TIE squadrons support angle?
 
2014-02-17 04:16:26 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Take a look at this 50-year-old hag:

[cinema-series-tv.fr image 425x568]


Hate to burst your bubble, but you know just as little about Ming-Na Wen as you do about Chinese cooking. She's 43 (albeit nearing 44) in that photo, not 50. (It was taken in 2007.)

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-110392862/stock-photo-ming-na-at-the -l ili-claire-foundation-s-th-annual-benefit-dinner-gala-hyatt-regency-ce ntury.html

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=11&d1=20&y1=1 96 3&m2=10&d2=13&y2=2007
 
2014-02-17 04:16:32 PM  

baconbeard: Kahabut: baconbeard: Monophtalmos: Women in their 30ies definitely are on average the better farks and able to engage you in a meaningful conversation compared to 20 something old child-girls.

Meh. If I want a "meaningful conversation" I'll hang out with my buddies. Give me the hot, insatiable, 20-something sex kittens!

I have a suspicion that you and your buddies haven't managed to have anything close to a meaningful conversation.  Ever.
It's also rather sad you don't have any female friends with which you can converse, don't worry though, when you grow up, you'll find some.

The hell you say. Why just the other night we conclusively resolved whether or not an Enterprise-class Starship (circa 2285) could defeat an Imperial Star Destroyer.


The ISD would win, hands down.  It has so many various weapon batteries the enterprise would simply be overwhelmed in seconds.

/wait, wut were we supposed to be talking about?
 
2014-02-17 04:16:33 PM  

Carousel Beast: Say, where is our favorite anti-aging, anti-technology blowhard, QA? A quick Fark search says he hasn't been on since October. Anyone know if he's ok?


He reached the end of Logan's Run on Dec 25
 
2014-02-17 04:21:48 PM  

Kahabut: baconbeard: Kahabut: baconbeard: Monophtalmos: Women in their 30ies definitely are on average the better farks and able to engage you in a meaningful conversation compared to 20 something old child-girls.

Meh. If I want a "meaningful conversation" I'll hang out with my buddies. Give me the hot, insatiable, 20-something sex kittens!

I have a suspicion that you and your buddies haven't managed to have anything close to a meaningful conversation.  Ever.
It's also rather sad you don't have any female friends with which you can converse, don't worry though, when you grow up, you'll find some.

The hell you say. Why just the other night we conclusively resolved whether or not an Enterprise-class Starship (circa 2285) could defeat an Imperial Star Destroyer.

The ISD would win, hands down.  It has so many various weapon batteries the enterprise would simply be overwhelmed in seconds.

/wait, wut were we supposed to be talking about?


That would have been my take on it too. A Mon Cal Star Cruiser would be even more lopsided since it has better shielding, armor, and it has anywhere between 4-6 squadrons of starfighters with fairly heavy armament.
 
2014-02-17 04:22:31 PM  

SonOfSpam: Okay, if 30-40s are better than 20s, if you mate up with a 20-something you've got that to look forward to. If you go with the supposedly hotter 40-something then you get to look forward to the 50-60s when their looks fall off a cliff.
/not you honey, those other women


While all you men are simply ageless.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-17 04:47:31 PM  

gweilo8888: ArcadianRefugee: Take a look at this 50-year-old hag:

[cinema-series-tv.fr image 425x568]

Hate to burst your bubble, but you know just as little about Ming-Na Wen as you do about Chinese cooking. She's 43 (albeit nearing 44) in that photo, not 50. (It was taken in 2007.)

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-110392862/stock-photo-ming-na-at-the -l ili-claire-foundation-s-th-annual-benefit-dinner-gala-hyatt-regency-ce ntury.html

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=11&d1=20&y1=1 96 3&m2=10&d2=13&y2=2007


I referenced this earlier, but had the date wrong.  Apparently she broke the unwritten Hollywood rule and wore the same dress to two events:

http://imagecollect.com/picture/ming-na-nas-photo-2853043/archival-p ic tures-globe-photos-68262
 
2014-02-17 04:57:47 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-17 05:25:49 PM  

cryinoutloud: SonOfSpam: Okay, if 30-40s are better than 20s, if you mate up with a 20-something you've got that to look forward to. If you go with the supposedly hotter 40-something then you get to look forward to the 50-60s when their looks fall off a cliff.
/not you honey, those other women

While all you men are simply ageless.

[i.imgur.com image 400x400]


There's a reason your are favorited. Exceptional humor is very attracive as well
 
2014-02-17 05:27:33 PM  

mjbok: I referenced this earlier, but had the date wrong.  Apparently she broke the unwritten Hollywood rule and wore the same dress to two events:

http://imagecollect.com/picture/ming-na-nas-photo-2853043/archival-p ic tures-globe-photos-68262


Yeah, the text on the wall behind her is the tipoff.
 
2014-02-17 05:44:59 PM  
I definitely looked better in my 20s than my 40s.
Now that I am pushing 60, I don't look as good as I did when I was in my 40s.

And as far as happiness - in my 20s I was married, with a great job, active social life and more money than I knew what to do with.

Now, the husband is gone, still have a good job, raising a kid by myself so no social life to speak of and while I am financially comfortable,  there isn't a lot of disposable income left over at the end of the month.

Conclusion: Article is stupid.
 
2014-02-17 05:51:19 PM  

Derwood: My wife is way hotter at 37 than she was at 19 (when I met her)


You wife is the exception.
 
2014-02-17 05:56:43 PM  

Lorelle: Yup. The creepiest encounter I ever had happened a few years ago in the produce section at Ralphs. A younger guy tried to pick up on me, and when I turned him down, he said, "So, what's the matter? Are you afraid of sex?"


Oh god, you just reminded me of the creep when I was 19 who invited me over to listen to music and almost immediately started groping me. When I told him to stop, he said "the only reason you won't sleep with me is because you're repressed."

Not the creepiest encounter I've ever had, but definitely the stupidest pickup line.

/If that was really your creepiest encounter ever, you are a very, very lucky woman.
 
2014-02-17 05:57:00 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: I like attractive older women not because they're better looking than hot 20-somethings (stop kidding yourself), but because they're attractive for their age AND probably capable of a full conversation AND are probably financially secure


AND bang like they know what they're doing.
 
2014-02-17 06:09:25 PM  

The Southern Dandy: Derwood: My wife is way hotter at 37 than she was at 19 (when I met her)

You wife is the exception.


My wife also decided around age 30 to become a certified fitness instructor.
 
2014-02-17 06:09:36 PM  

CoonAce: baconbeard: Monophtalmos: Women in their 30ies definitely are on average the better farks and able to engage you in a meaningful conversation compared to 20 something old child-girls.

Meh. If I want a "meaningful conversation" I'll hang out with my buddies. Give me the hot, insatiable, 20-something sex kittens!

Supposedly the female sexual peak is around 35-40.


On a purely anecdotal base this is what I experienced, too. Not only do they seem to have their issues sorted out and are less insecure, they also know what they want and can appreciate a good fick and return the favour.
 
2014-02-17 06:24:30 PM  

Monophtalmos: On a purely anecdotal base this is what I experienced, too. Not only do they seem to have their issues sorted out and are less insecure, they also know what they want and can appreciate a good fick and return the favour.


There are lots of variations to this based on variables like being divorced, having kids, etc.

Around 25-26 a lot of the inhibitions seem to go out the window.  Around 35 they reign it in a bit, something about being too old to do whatever.  About 45 it goes back to 25.  Marriage, kids, etc. all change these things.
 
2014-02-17 06:44:17 PM  

Fano: Carousel Beast: Say, where is our favorite anti-aging, anti-technology blowhard, QA? A quick Fark search says he hasn't been on since October. Anyone know if he's ok?

He reached the end of Logan's Run on Dec 25


Yep.  Started going all 3D printer in a thread about a damaged classic car, someone complained about threadjacking, and the mods nuked the thread.  Don't know if he was banned or if he just gave up.  I had him on ignore since about August.
 
2014-02-17 07:31:26 PM  

Derwood: My wife is way hotter at 37 than she was at 19 (when I met her)


Wife-like typing detected.

/Come on! Somebody had to.
 
2014-02-17 07:44:55 PM  
I remember when I was a freshman in HS thinking the senior girls looked kind of old and used up.
 
2014-02-17 08:26:01 PM  
Aging is just a fact of life, and age brings many benefits BUT...

With each decade of age beyond around 20, the number of women in that age group that I would consider physically attractive drops by around an order of magnitude.
 
2014-02-17 08:28:29 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Dear Submittard;

Unless you're going to go out and walk in front of traffic later today, you too will one day join the ranks of the "Hey. Look. They're old".

Get used to it, you moron.


Naturally. I know I'm not gonna look as good in 20 years as I look today. The thing is, I'm not lying to myself that it isn't the case.
 
2014-02-17 08:30:39 PM  

baconbeard: Lorelle: baconbeard: Yeah, men are pretty stupid when it comes to stuff like that...

I fell for the "oh, you're so pretty" line when I was thin and 19, and lived to regret it. Since then, I've been pretty suspicious of men who try to chat me up.

I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to chat up someone. It's when they can't take a hint and keep pushing that it becomes incredibly creepy.


If you don't chat someone up, you're unlikely to ever meet anyone. It's that taking a hint part that's important. There can be a fine line.
 
2014-02-17 08:43:58 PM  

Abox: I remember when I was a freshman in HS thinking the senior girls looked kind of old and used up.


That's because they were. They peaked early, and they knew it because they didn't show up at their ten-year reunion because by 27 they really looked rode hard and put away wet...whereas the awkward ones by 27 were smokin'.

And married, but what are you gonna do.
 
2014-02-17 08:59:17 PM  
The only truth to this is if you look young for your age to begin with. I feel like when I was 20 I looked too much like a teenager. Now that I'm 30, I feel like I look more like an adult woman. It's nice to not have your male friends appear to be creeps when they hang out with you.
 
2014-02-17 09:08:20 PM  

Lorelle: baconbeard: Yeah, men are pretty stupid when it comes to stuff like that...

I fell for the "oh, you're so pretty" line when I was thin and 19, and lived to regret it. Since then, I've been pretty suspicious of men who try to chat me up.


Hey, beautiful... whaddya doin' after the thread? *wink*
 
2014-02-17 09:10:35 PM  

proteus_b: It would be great to see evidence of a single case of this ever happening---a woman looking better in her 30s than in her 20s. Of 25 billion women who have ever lived, it has probably never happened.


Eh... some unremarkable looking young people age into more interesting looking older people.  Generally they're at least average-attractive to begin with though.  Also personality goes a long way and it does affect looks.
 
2014-02-17 09:11:27 PM  

redmid17: ArcadianRefugee: Take a look at this 50-year-old hag:

[cinema-series-tv.fr image 425x568]

[static.fjcdn.com image 850x261]


You made me laugh out loud.
 
2014-02-17 09:11:55 PM  
most women gain more in intelligent, wit and personality between 18 and 40 than they lose in looks. add in skill in the sack, and it's a no-brainer.

anyway, you're such a hairy, lumpy man-beast, odds are she's got the lights off, so you can't see her anyway.
 
2014-02-17 09:14:15 PM  
It's really easy to empirically decide at what age women look best. Porn is created to fill demand; the more desirable an age of woman, the more porn there will be featuring someone that age. So just take the ages of all the porn stars and put them on a plot, and bam, that gives the answer.
 
2014-02-17 09:29:21 PM  

That Guy Jeff: It's really easy to empirically decide at what age women look best. Porn is created to fill demand; the more desirable an age of woman, the more porn there will be featuring someone that age. So just take the ages of all the porn stars and put them on a plot, and bam, that gives the answer.


Nice theory.  But the various fetishes make that a multi-modal distribution.  Unless you're claiming that granny porn and the pedobear stuff balance each other out.
 
2014-02-17 09:39:17 PM  

I eat mop: most women gain more in intelligent, wit and personality between 18 and 40 than they lose in looks. add in skill in the sack, and it's a no-brainer.


The article was about looks and skin texture (due to moisturizer) and had nothing to do with the things you mention.  I absolutely believe you're right, but on a purely aesthetic level there is a peak and for the vast majority of women is is in the mid 20's.  Beyond that gravity and pure age start to make a difference.
 
2014-02-17 09:47:41 PM  

Chimpasaurus: The only truth to this is if you look young for your age to begin with. I feel like when I was 20 I looked too much like a teenager. Now that I'm 30, I feel like I look more like an adult woman. It's nice to not have your male friends appear to be creeps when they hang out with you.


This was true for me.  I just turned 30 and my face finally looks grown up.  Also, I think I probably do look better in general because I actually have time and energy to devote to it.  In my teens and 20's, I was trying to do my own hair and shopping the sale rack for things that didn't stain easily.  Now I buy nice clothes that fit well and get my hair done so it looks nice.

I've been becoming increasingly aware lately that I look noticeably different from 5 years ago, but the changes are mostly good.
 
2014-02-17 10:11:33 PM  

FrancoFile: That Guy Jeff: It's really easy to empirically decide at what age women look best. Porn is created to fill demand; the more desirable an age of woman, the more porn there will be featuring someone that age. So just take the ages of all the porn stars and put them on a plot, and bam, that gives the answer.

Nice theory.  But the various fetishes make that a multi-modal distribution.  Unless you're claiming that granny porn and the pedobear stuff balance each other out.


There will be plenty of outliers, of course, but I feel the sheer volume of normal VS granny porn will bring the averages within reason.
 
2014-02-18 01:31:01 AM  
How about we just let people feel as attractive as they want to feel no matter what their age is, even if everyone else thinks they're delusional?  There seems to be a lot of concern on fark about making sure women know they're not as hot as guys think they think they are.  In general there seems to be a lot of "how dare that person I perceive to be beneath me for whatever reason have high self-esteem when I don't think they should!  Let me tear them and every group they might identify with down to make sure they all know how terrible I think they are!"  Now let's pat each other on the back in agreement for putting those biatches in their place.

/I know, welcome to fark and the internet and humanity!
 
2014-02-18 06:07:44 AM  
Unless they were fat in their 20s and got fit later on, that's a load of crap.

If you take any 40-50 year old and stand her next to her 25 year old self, both naked with no make-up or anything, the younger one is going to look better 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the time....
 
2014-02-18 08:13:14 AM  

proteus_b: It would be great to see evidence of a single case of this ever happening---a woman looking better in her 30s than in her 20s. Of 25 billion women who have ever lived, it has probably never happened.


I know at least one gal where it worked that way; she was seriously overweight in her teens and 20s (common defense mechanism; she'd been sexually abused by her dad), then lost most of it, and became a smoking hot lean tattooed 5'10".
 
2014-02-18 08:35:56 AM  

mjbok: Fark_Guy_Rob: That'd be like some guy saying 'EVERY sprinter he knows runs faster in her 30s/40s than they did in their 20s'. It doesn't work that way. The average age for an Olympic athlete is 26. It's particularly true of sports that require pure physical attributes like weightlighting or sprinting.

We're designed to get old, fall apart, and die. It's not attractive. It's life. Physically, most people are going to peak before 30. Most girls I know personally, if you go back and look at their pictures - they peaked around 16-20 and have been getting chubbier and wrinklier ever since. The guys I know don't fair any better, I'm not being sexist about it.

The sports thing is interesting because it has a good parallel.  When I was in my 20's I was fairly good at soccer.  In my 30's I had lost a few steps, some power on my shot, etc. but I was a better team player.  As my individual abilities diminished I had to adapt to the game.  I understood the game better and could "see the field" better than I could when I was younger.  Much of that was due to necessity, but it made me a more complete player.

However, if you were drafting a team and you could choose 25 or 35 year old me, you would be better picking 25 year old me.  The overall skill level wasn't as good, but the impact on the game was greater.

It is similar for aging and attractiveness.  People (both male and female) need to bring different skillsets to the table after their raw appeal starts to wane.  Humor, personality, etc. become much more important, plus as you get older you tend to think more about longer term relationships and these traits are much more important.  All beauty fades, but personalities don't have to.


On a similar note, I've noticed my reflexes have deteriorated a bit as I've aged.  Old-school Team Fortress, I could easily be in the top tier of most pick-up matches, and could dominate some maps with regularity, depending on the class I was playing.  Had a 74-0 kill streak one day.  Scored more points that both teams, combined, in three straight matches another day.

Fast-forward a dozen years to today, I struggle to make the middle tier of the average PUG in a FPS.  That quarter-second lost off my reaction time (or however much it is) makes a difference.
 
2014-02-18 08:39:35 AM  

That Guy Jeff: It's really easy to empirically decide at what age women look best. Porn is created to fill demand; the more desirable an age of woman, the more porn there will be featuring someone that age. So just take the ages of all the porn stars and put them on a plot, and bam, that gives the answer.


Interesting theory.  You'd have to factor in, however, the effect that the supply has on the demand.  The current trend toward shaven pubes, I'd bet, came from porn, rather than porn reacting to some sudden social need for women that looked like 12 year olds.

/not trying to start a shaven/unshaven thread here, just saying.
 
2014-02-18 08:43:42 AM  

Kahabut: baconbeard: Kahabut: baconbeard: Monophtalmos: Women in their 30ies definitely are on average the better farks and able to engage you in a meaningful conversation compared to 20 something old child-girls.

Meh. If I want a "meaningful conversation" I'll hang out with my buddies. Give me the hot, insatiable, 20-something sex kittens!

I have a suspicion that you and your buddies haven't managed to have anything close to a meaningful conversation.  Ever.
It's also rather sad you don't have any female friends with which you can converse, don't worry though, when you grow up, you'll find some.

The hell you say. Why just the other night we conclusively resolved whether or not an Enterprise-class Starship (circa 2285) could defeat an Imperial Star Destroyer.

The ISD would win, hands down.  It has so many various weapon batteries the enterprise would simply be overwhelmed in seconds.

/wait, wut were we supposed to be talking about?


The Federation's ONE advantage is the ability to maneuver in warp space.  Take a shuttle craft, load it with handwavium, put it on autopilot (or find a suicidal volunteer), and bye bye Star Destroyer.

Or any inconvenient planets you want to get rid of...

/end threadjack, hopefully
 
2014-02-18 08:45:37 AM  

Lorelle: baconbeard: Lorelle: baconbeard: Lorelle: What's weird is, since I hit my late 40s, I get approached more by younger men (they appear to be in their 40s). Either guys at that age are turned on by saggy boobs and lumpy asses, or they think I'm desperate (I'm not).

Do you really want to know the reason for this?

They're horny and haven't gotten any in ages.

Men are lazy. Older women are seen in the same light as the fat chicks at closing time (easy prey with little effort, in other words). Some older women mistake this as "attraction to the maturity, grace, and poise that an older woman possesses", and genuinely believe that the younger man is interested in a longer-term relationship.

Exactly. A couple of Saturdays ago I went to a local supermarket, sans makeup, with my hair down, wearing a frumpy old dress and Birkenstocks, and was approached by a younger guy who told me I was very beautiful and wanted to take me out. I told him I wasn't interested, but he insisted upon giving me his phone number. I again told him I wasn't interested, he persisted, and I finally told him to take a hike (using slightly different language).

Last Wednesday, I was at a local gas station, putting gas into my car, while dressed in office attire (a nice dress, stockings, nice shoes), and had my hair up and makeup on. I was approached by an older man who told me I would be prettier if I lost some weight, then he proceeded to tell me that he had lost over 100 pounds. I congratulated him, finished pumping gas, then got into my car and drove away.

Some men can't get it through their heads that just because a woman is old and fat, it doesn't mean that she's desperate.


You seem delusional...in your profile pic, you look like Willie Nelson.

:)
 
2014-02-18 08:49:01 AM  

sandi_fish: What I notice that is odd, is that most 20 year old (when I was 20) were skinny.   Now they appear to either not care about their weight or go to the extremes and get all the surgery to look different.  I am more fit than my daughters friends who are in their teens.

We played outside though.


That's a national problem, and it's not just the girl-children.  Some serious young landwhales we're raising these days.
 
2014-02-18 08:50:10 AM  

Carousel Beast: Say, where is our favorite anti-aging, anti-technology blowhard, QA? A quick Fark search says he hasn't been on since October. Anyone know if he's ok?


A 3D printer got him.  Wasn't pretty.
 
2014-02-18 08:55:05 AM  

Derwood: The Southern Dandy: Derwood: My wife is way hotter at 37 than she was at 19 (when I met her)

You wife is the exception.

My wife also decided around age 30 to become a certified fitness instructor.


A buddy's wife does that; 2 hours a day, five days a week.  She's nearly forty, has popped out two kids, and she looks better than most of the college girls around Boston.

Bonus: she'd had cancer as a teen, so in her "young, should be looking her hottest evar" pics, she looks like a concentration camp survivor...
 
2014-02-18 08:56:38 AM  

Gulper Eel: Abox: I remember when I was a freshman in HS thinking the senior girls looked kind of old and used up.

That's because they were. They peaked early, and they knew it because they didn't show up at their ten-year reunion because by 27 they really looked rode hard and put away wet...whereas the awkward ones by 27 were smokin'.

And married, but what are you gonna do.


I love high school reunions.

There's always someone fatter and balder than you.

And some of them are women...
 
2014-02-18 09:08:26 AM  

PunGent: Bonus: she'd had cancer as a teen, so in her "young, should be looking her hottest evar" pics, she looks like a concentration camp survivor...


That might be the only time having had cancer was referred to as a bonus.
 
2014-02-18 03:54:16 PM  

sandi_fish: What I notice that is odd, is that most 20 year old (when I was 20) were skinny.   Now they appear to either not care about their weight or go to the extremes and get all the surgery to look different.  I am more fit than my daughters friends who are in their teens.

We played outside though.


I can't wait to be old enough to play with my teenage daughter's friends outside.
 
2014-02-18 04:41:00 PM  

Wangiss: sandi_fish: What I notice that is odd, is that most 20 year old (when I was 20) were skinny.   Now they appear to either not care about their weight or go to the extremes and get all the surgery to look different.  I am more fit than my daughters friends who are in their teens.

We played outside though.

I can't wait to be old enough to play with my teenage daughter's friends outside.


Tired of playing with them inside, then? Pedo.
 
2014-02-18 07:02:44 PM  
Life is first boredom, then fear.
Whether or not we use it, it goes,
And leaves what something hidden from us chose,
And age, and then the only end of age.
 
2014-02-18 09:49:22 PM  
I was very attractivein my 20's but I was miserable. I was obsessed with maintaining and/or improving my appearance. When I hit 30 it was like every poor health decision I ever made caught up to me. Gained a ton of weight, wrinkled, developed menopausal mom expressions, the works. It was embarassing and gard to deal with for the first few years. But when I didn't have my looks to fall back on I learned to use my brain. And when I used my brain I ended up working fewer hours for way more money. I do what I want now. I'm happy with that.
 
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