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(International Business Times)   And you thought Tesla owners were already smug...now comes news that Apple may be buying the electric car company   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 63
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2014-02-17 01:14:16 PM  
I hear far more "stop liking what I don't like" from anti-Apple people than I hear smugness from Apple users.
 
2014-02-17 01:20:12 PM  

Cagey B: I hear far more "stop liking what I don't like" from anti-Apple people than I hear smugness from Apple users.


I don't actually hear much of either these days, but I still remember those I'm a Mac/I'm a PC ads.  That counts, doesn't it?
 
2014-02-17 01:34:18 PM  
Never gonna happen. Unless this is the darkest timeline
 
2014-02-17 01:47:35 PM  
Surely Musk would think better of this.  It's his market to build.
 
2014-02-17 01:48:13 PM  

Voodoo_Stu: Cagey B: I hear far more "stop liking what I don't like" from anti-Apple people than I hear smugness from Apple users.

I don't actually hear much of either these days, but I still remember those I'm a Mac/I'm a PC ads.  That counts, doesn't it?


I don't think it does. I remember a fark thread about those Surface ads where they were comparing the Surface to an iPad and "siri" was saying things like "Oh, no. I don't have a kickstand" and such. There were a bunch of Apple fans complaining about how you know Microsoft lost, because they are spending all their time putting a competitor down, and only losing companies would do comparative feature ads.

And yet, none of them seemed to remember that 5 year cycle of "I'm a Mac / I'm a PC" ads that those Surface ads were cribbing from.
 
2014-02-17 01:48:20 PM  
Great so when I finally get around to getting one I can get my Tesla in any color as long as it is white.
 
2014-02-17 01:49:27 PM  
So instead of electricity, the cars will require iLectricity to charge up?
 
2014-02-17 01:54:37 PM  
Why am I still subsidizing rich people's ability to buy a hobbyist's toy car?
 
2014-02-17 01:58:47 PM  
Would be a pretty smart Idea for musk, even though it probably is more about battery tech than a outright purchase.
 
2014-02-17 02:15:53 PM  
Three words:  Proprietary Charging Cable
 
2014-02-17 02:17:02 PM  

legion_of_doo: Why am I still subsidizing rich people's ability to buy a hobbyist's toy car?


i'm pretty sure Tesla is all square with the gubment.  I think all of their cash is venture capital and IPO $$ now.
 
2014-02-17 02:20:26 PM  

legion_of_doo: Why am I still subsidizing rich people's ability to buy a hobbyist's toy car?


Tesla paid off their loans and is making a profit now.  What exactly do you think you're subsidizing?

/30,000 cars a year isn't exactly a hobby anymore.
 
2014-02-17 02:25:40 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: legion_of_doo: Why am I still subsidizing rich people's ability to buy a hobbyist's toy car?

Tesla paid off their loans and is making a profit now.  What exactly do you think you're subsidizing?

/30,000 cars a year isn't exactly a hobby anymore.


He watches Fox news, give him a break.
 
2014-02-17 02:41:16 PM  
Sure, because Teslas aren't ungodly expensive enough just yet.  Let's go ahead and add the iWhatever's pricing model to it.
 
2014-02-17 02:45:33 PM  
On the plus side, they'll only have one button.

/and never crash
 
2014-02-17 02:48:20 PM  

Mongo No.5: Three words:  Proprietary Charging Cable


Which will change with each model year.

If this is true, I hope Musk gives them a big FU.
He needs to just keep doing what he's doing, let the rich get their toys so he can put more money into the company and eventually come out with a model that the average joe can afford.
 
2014-02-17 02:49:00 PM  
Tesla   30,000 cars a year, 24.3 billion market cap
Ford  2.5 million cars in 2013 (US only), 60.1 billion market cap

Tesla is massively overpriced at the moment.  Like, multiply Google by Amazon and add some levels of overpriced.

That being said, Apple could buy both Tesla and Ford for cash, and still have money left over in their war  chest.  Hell, Apple could probably buy farking DISNEY for cash.  Their market cap is $138 billion.
 
2014-02-17 02:52:44 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: legion_of_doo: Why am I still subsidizing rich people's ability to buy a hobbyist's toy car?

Tesla paid off their loans and is making a profit now.  What exactly do you think you're subsidizing?

/30,000 cars a year isn't exactly a hobby anymore.


Gee, I can't imagine where one would get such an idea:

i60.tinypic.com
 
2014-02-17 02:52:59 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Sure, because Teslas aren't ungodly expensive enough just yet.  Let's go ahead and add the iWhatever's pricing model to it.


I'd say they are priced very competitively in their market.  The closest competitors for performance, fit/finish, and handling would be the BMW M5 and Merc E63 AMG.  both of which ring in around 93k.  the performance Tesla S will run you around 90k.  all of those are ungodly expensive to me, but in comparison to its competition it is a fairly priced car.  I'm just happy the green peace tree hugging movie stars can stop driving around in Priuses and have other options to show how righteous they are.
 
2014-02-17 02:56:01 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Sure, because Teslas aren't ungodly expensive enough just yet.  Let's go ahead and add the iWhatever's pricing model to it.


Yeah, I don't get the love for the Tesla.  If anything could be considered a rich person's purchase, a $60-80k vehicle is squarely on that list.
 
2014-02-17 02:57:40 PM  

Mongo No.5: Last Man on Earth: Sure, because Teslas aren't ungodly expensive enough just yet.  Let's go ahead and add the iWhatever's pricing model to it.

I'd say they are priced very competitively in their market.  The closest competitors for performance, fit/finish, and handling would be the BMW M5 and Merc E63 AMG.  both of which ring in around 93k.  the performance Tesla S will run you around 90k.  all of those are ungodly expensive to me, but in comparison to its competition it is a fairly priced car.  I'm just happy the green peace tree hugging movie stars can stop driving around in Priuses and have other options to show how righteous they are.


Oh, they might well be.  Doesn't matter to me.  I'm sticking with "ungodly expensive," though, because much as I'd love to have one, there's no farking way I could afford it anywhere in the foreseeable future.
 
2014-02-17 03:06:02 PM  

legion_of_doo: Why am I still subsidizing rich people's ability to buy a hobbyist's toy car?


Why is everyone still subsidizing the rich people who run the oil industry?

There are worse ways to spend money than on alternative energy that could revitalize US technology and manufacturing over the next few decades.
 
2014-02-17 03:30:38 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: Mongo No.5: Three words:  Proprietary Charging Cable

Which will change with each model year.

If this is true, I hope Musk gives them a big FU.
He needs to just keep doing what he's doing, let the rich get their toys so he can put more money into the company and eventually come out with a model that the average joe can afford.


this would be what scares me..."Oh look a charging station...crap its not an iStation and I don't have enough charge to make it to the next one."  or  "Your 2014 model has now been upgraded to the new iOS 17"  result: Range on one charge is now halved and i no longer know how to operate the radio or turn on the highbeams

I can only imagine any upgrades...stereo only works with iPhones, HUD display requires iGlass, would be a walled garden as well.
 
2014-02-17 03:34:16 PM  

Fonaibung: There are worse ways to spend money than on alternative energy that could revitalize US technology and manufacturing over the next few decades.


That's true, but I'm not convinced that battery electric is the future of all automotive power.  Tesla is already taking a big bite out of global Li-ion battery production, and they're just a drop in the bucket compared to the really big manufacturers.  Personally, I don't want to see cell phones, laptops, and cars relying on the same basic battery source.

Biofuels are a better solution---we could produce them locally and sustainably/carbon-neutrally, which would mean US jobs and energy independence.
 
2014-02-17 03:41:32 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Fonaibung: There are worse ways to spend money than on alternative energy that could revitalize US technology and manufacturing over the next few decades.

That's true, but I'm not convinced that battery electric is the future of all automotive power.  Tesla is already taking a big bite out of global Li-ion battery production, and they're just a drop in the bucket compared to the really big manufacturers.  Personally, I don't want to see cell phones, laptops, and cars relying on the same basic battery source.

Biofuels are a better solution---we could produce them locally and sustainably/carbon-neutrally, which would mean US jobs and energy independence.


No way - unless you can grow something cheap and easy, it will just be another ethanol. Hydrogen fuel cell was the correct answer
 
2014-02-17 03:42:43 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Tesla   30,000 cars a year, 24.3 billion market cap
Ford  2.5 million cars in 2013 (US only), 60.1 billion market cap

Tesla is massively overpriced at the moment.  Like, multiply Google by Amazon and add some levels of overpriced.

That being said, Apple could buy both Tesla and Ford for cash, and still have money left over in their war  chest.  Hell, Apple could probably buy farking DISNEY for cash.  Their market cap is $138 billion.


I read once that most of the value in Tesla is in its patents, which have far ranging possible uses besides cars.
 
2014-02-17 03:47:29 PM  

Publikwerks: HMS_Blinkin: Fonaibung: There are worse ways to spend money than on alternative energy that could revitalize US technology and manufacturing over the next few decades.

That's true, but I'm not convinced that battery electric is the future of all automotive power.  Tesla is already taking a big bite out of global Li-ion battery production, and they're just a drop in the bucket compared to the really big manufacturers.  Personally, I don't want to see cell phones, laptops, and cars relying on the same basic battery source.

Biofuels are a better solution---we could produce them locally and sustainably/carbon-neutrally, which would mean US jobs and energy independence.

No way - unless you can grow something cheap and easy, it will just be another ethanol. Hydrogen fuel cell was the correct answer


HFC is a better answer than battery electic, IMO.  But oceanic algae is looking very promising.  Can be grown very quickly, and can be converted into crude oil in a half-hour chemical process.  It's delivered results in the lab, and the process for commercializing the production has already begun.

It's carbon-neutral, relatively space-efficient, and can be done locally here in the US.

Here's some links:
Gizmodo overview
Pacific NW National Lab article

/that said, hydrogen molecules COULD be stripped off that crude, but there's not really any strong reason to do that
 
2014-02-17 03:52:50 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Publikwerks: HMS_Blinkin: Fonaibung: There are worse ways to spend money than on alternative energy that could revitalize US technology and manufacturing over the next few decades.

That's true, but I'm not convinced that battery electric is the future of all automotive power.  Tesla is already taking a big bite out of global Li-ion battery production, and they're just a drop in the bucket compared to the really big manufacturers.  Personally, I don't want to see cell phones, laptops, and cars relying on the same basic battery source.

Biofuels are a better solution---we could produce them locally and sustainably/carbon-neutrally, which would mean US jobs and energy independence.

No way - unless you can grow something cheap and easy, it will just be another ethanol. Hydrogen fuel cell was the correct answer

HFC is a better answer than battery electic, IMO.  But oceanic algae is looking very promising.  Can be grown very quickly, and can be converted into crude oil in a half-hour chemical process.  It's delivered results in the lab, and the process for commercializing the production has already begun.

It's carbon-neutral, relatively space-efficient, and can be done locally here in the US.

Here's some links:
Gizmodo overview
Pacific NW National Lab article

/that said, hydrogen molecules COULD be stripped off that crude, but there's not really any strong reason to do that


No the future is in Tesla towers dotting the roadside of america.  Each powered by wind, solar and geothermal.
 
2014-02-17 04:09:03 PM  
So do I throw it away when the battery dies? Or do I have to buy an Otterbox for it just in case I slam the door too hard and shatter all the windows?
 
2014-02-17 04:09:41 PM  
So iCar is comming?
 
2014-02-17 04:10:22 PM  

Mongo No.5: legion_of_doo: Why am I still subsidizing rich people's ability to buy a hobbyist's toy car?

i'm pretty sure Tesla is all square with the gubment.  I think all of their cash is venture capital and IPO $$ now.


According to their Q, they are profitable only because the also manufacture carbon offset credits.
 
2014-02-17 04:13:56 PM  

mcreadyblue: According to their Q, they are profitable only because the also manufacture carbon offset credits.


And Ford is only profitable because of the F-150.  So what.
 
2014-02-17 04:14:21 PM  

mcreadyblue: Mongo No.5: legion_of_doo: Why am I still subsidizing rich people's ability to buy a hobbyist's toy car?

i'm pretty sure Tesla is all square with the gubment.  I think all of their cash is venture capital and IPO $$ now.

According to their Q, they are profitable only because the also manufacture carbon offset credits.


Sorry, they can't hear you over the sound of them sucking on Elon's wang.
 
2014-02-17 04:24:30 PM  

ZMugg: So instead of electricity, the cars will require iLectricity to charge up?


I don't have the words.
 
2014-02-17 05:24:28 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: mcreadyblue: According to their Q, they are profitable only because the also manufacture carbon offset credits.

And Ford is only profitable because of the F-150.  So what.


Carbon offset credits are a figment of an accountants imagination.
 
2014-02-17 05:53:14 PM  

mcreadyblue: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: mcreadyblue: According to their Q, they are profitable only because the also manufacture carbon offset credits.

And Ford is only profitable because of the F-150.  So what.

Carbon offset credits are a figment of an accountants imagination.


All of the Buildings
All of the Cars
Were once just a dream
In somebody's head.
 
2014-02-17 05:53:56 PM  
Apple has an evil corporate philosophy as far as I'm concerned.  That's the reason I refuse their products in my home.
 
2014-02-17 06:16:01 PM  
It wouldn't be bad for Musk, he could probably get Apple to overpay, it would make him even more wealthy

It would probably be the nail in the coffin for Tesla though.    Apple has no experience with heavy manufacturing, like cars.   It has almost nothing in common with light manufacturing, like laptops and cell phones.

Apple could potentially be overwhelmed, just with the legal liabilities of building something that can kill people.
 
2014-02-17 07:07:44 PM  

weiserfireman: It wouldn't be bad for Musk, he could probably get Apple to overpay, it would make him even more wealthy

It would probably be the nail in the coffin for Tesla though.    Apple has no experience with heavy manufacturing, like cars.   It has almost nothing in common with light manufacturing, like laptops and cell phones.

Apple could potentially be overwhelmed, just with the legal liabilities of building something that can kill people.


Not to mention, when you buy the first-model Teslapple, a few releases down the road they stop issuing it OS updates, and it bricks when you ask Siri to do something.
 
2014-02-17 08:05:05 PM  

legion_of_doo: Why am I still subsidizing rich people's ability to buy a hobbyist's toy car?


You're not. Get over yourself.
 
2014-02-17 08:09:29 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Fonaibung: There are worse ways to spend money than on alternative energy that could revitalize US technology and manufacturing over the next few decades.

That's true, but I'm not convinced that battery electric is the future of all automotive power.  Tesla is already taking a big bite out of global Li-ion battery production, and they're just a drop in the bucket compared to the really big manufacturers.  Personally, I don't want to see cell phones, laptops, and cars relying on the same basic battery source.

Biofuels are a better solution---we could produce them locally and sustainably/carbon-neutrally, which would mean US jobs and energy independence.


You would rather have cars compete with your food source than with your consumer gadgets.

WTF is wrong with education in this country?
 
2014-02-17 08:48:19 PM  

jjorsett: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: legion_of_doo: Why am I still subsidizing rich people's ability to buy a hobbyist's toy car?

Tesla paid off their loans and is making a profit now.  What exactly do you think you're subsidizing?

/30,000 cars a year isn't exactly a hobby anymore.

Gee, I can't imagine where one would get such an idea:


How much teeth gnashing do you do over people subsidizing your mortgage?
 
2014-02-17 08:52:47 PM  
 
2014-02-17 09:14:47 PM  
i236.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-17 09:24:25 PM  

Cagey B: I hear far more "stop liking what I don't like" from anti-Apple people than I hear smugness from Apple users.


Says the Weeners.
 
2014-02-17 09:50:54 PM  
Two big strikes against Tesla:

1. Oppressive pricing.

2. Anyone who doesn't live in a big city with charging stations or in a house with a garage (i.e. apartment dwellers, etc.) can't use their cars because they have nowhere to recharge them.

I'd go for an electric if it made any sense while I'm in an apartment. Unfortunately, there are no charging stations around here that I know of, and I'm not going to run an extension cord out of the apartment front door into the parking lot-- Especially not in the middle of a northern winter.

That, I simply can't justify the price of a Tesla.

I love the idea of electric, but we're not there yet. Chevy's Volt is the same damn situation.
 
2014-02-17 10:03:31 PM  

Hollie Maea: You would rather have cars compete with your food source than with your consumer gadgets.

WTF is wrong with education in this country?


Read the links I posted earlier ITT.  I'm talking about algae, specifically dead algae slurry.  If you think that's a food source, that is your own damn problem.
 
2014-02-17 10:05:54 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Two big strikes against Tesla:

1. Oppressive pricing.

2. Anyone who doesn't live in a big city with charging stations or in a house with a garage (i.e. apartment dwellers, etc.) can't use their cars because they have nowhere to recharge them.

I'd go for an electric if it made any sense while I'm in an apartment. Unfortunately, there are no charging stations around here that I know of, and I'm not going to run an extension cord out of the apartment front door into the parking lot-- Especially not in the middle of a northern winter.

That, I simply can't justify the price of a Tesla.

I love the idea of electric, but we're not there yet. Chevy's Volt is the same damn situation.




3) Anyone who lives in a state that gets very cold in the winter.
 
2014-02-17 10:32:18 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Nix Nightbird: Two big strikes against Tesla:

1. Oppressive pricing.

2. Anyone who doesn't live in a big city with charging stations or in a house with a garage (i.e. apartment dwellers, etc.) can't use their cars because they have nowhere to recharge them.

I'd go for an electric if it made any sense while I'm in an apartment. Unfortunately, there are no charging stations around here that I know of, and I'm not going to run an extension cord out of the apartment front door into the parking lot-- Especially not in the middle of a northern winter.

That, I simply can't justify the price of a Tesla.

I love the idea of electric, but we're not there yet. Chevy's Volt is the same damn situation.



3) Anyone who lives in a state that gets very cold in the winter.


Teslas perform better in the cold than gas powered cars, due to their climate controlled battery pack.
 
2014-02-17 10:33:54 PM  

Nix Nightbird: 2. Anyone who doesn't live in a big city with charging stations or in a house with a garage (i.e. apartment dwellers, etc.) can't use their cars because they have nowhere to recharge them.


Check out www.plugshare.com - there's probably more charging stations near you than you think.
 
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