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2014-02-17 09:42:26 AM  
Who gets attacked by militant non-smokers?

What's a militant non-smoker?

When has a smoker ever been afraid of a non-smoker (apart from not wanting to catch their cold after they cough in your face to make a dullwitted point)?
 
2014-02-17 10:13:32 AM  
Except the period of the actual quitting.  My mother was a nightmare when she quit.
 
2014-02-17 10:16:18 AM  

thamike: What's a militant non-smoker?


Anyone who doesn't like being exposed to stench, filth, and carcinogens is a militant non-smoker, apparently.

Diogenes: Except the period of the actual quitting.  My mother was a nightmare when she quit.


I believe smokers convince themselves that they're going to be irritable when they quit because they believe they're giving up something valuable.  If you can get past the fallacy that you're giving up something and understand what the timeline of withdrawal is, the cravings are just a mild annoyance.
 
2014-02-17 10:17:16 AM  
Tobacco is a helluva drug.

/Really. Makes you poop, hops up your metabolism, all kinds of weird effects.
 
2014-02-17 10:18:26 AM  

kwame: thamike: What's a militant non-smoker?

Anyone who doesn't like being exposed to stench, filth, and carcinogens is a militant non-smoker, apparently.

Diogenes: Except the period of the actual quitting.  My mother was a nightmare when she quit.

I believe smokers convince themselves that they're going to be irritable when they quit because they believe they're giving up something valuable.  If you can get past the fallacy that you're giving up something and understand what the timeline of withdrawal is, the cravings are just a mild annoyance.


I think it varies from person to person, but I also believe there's truth to what you're saying.  In mom's case, probably truthier.  I think her addiction was more habitual than chemical.
 
2014-02-17 10:19:32 AM  

thamike: Who gets attacked by militant non-smokers?

What's a militant non-smoker?

When has a smoker ever been afraid of a non-smoker (apart from not wanting to catch their cold after they cough in your face to make a dullwitted point)?


If you've never had a gun pointed at your face because you lit up then you haven't been smoking very long.
 
2014-02-17 10:26:58 AM  

Diogenes: I think it varies from person to person, but I also believe there's truth to what you're saying. In mom's case, probably truthier. I think her addiction was more habitual than chemical.


I agree completely.  I think the chemical dependence creates this sense of habit and comfort, but it's beatable.  It's really pretty fascinating from a psychological standpoint.

alaric3: If you've never had a gun pointed at your face because you lit up then you haven't been smoking very long.


I smoked for 20 years and was never accosted for it, but then I also never assumed it was my right to pollute the air of people who choose not to smoke.
 
2014-02-17 10:44:26 AM  
I smoke off and on and i've never been accosted by anyone.  Like kwame said though you are the one deciding to light up, so do it in a reasonable place, at a reasonable time, and clean up after yourself.  Go outside, field strip your butts and put them in the garbage, never just flick them.
 
2014-02-17 10:45:57 AM  
I've always been curious as to why people start to begin with.  It smells like shiat and has no positive health benefits whatsoever.   Even the deadliest cheeseburger has protein and calcium along with the fat and cholesterol.
 
2014-02-17 10:51:13 AM  

kregh99: I've always been curious as to why people start to begin with.  It smells like shiat and has no positive health benefits whatsoever.   Even the deadliest cheeseburger has protein and calcium along with the fat and cholesterol.


Try one and get back to us.
 
2014-02-17 10:53:54 AM  

kwame: Nicotine is an incredibly addictive drug, but the withdrawal symptoms themselves are mild and controllable.


For everyone. All the time. That's some class-A bullshiat there.

Tobacco is as addictive as heroin (as a mood & behavior altering agent).

Nicotine is:
1000 X more potent than alcohol
10-100 X more potent than barbiturates
5-10 X more potent than cocaine or morphine
 
2014-02-17 10:53:54 AM  

Fano: I'm sure these geniuses of moderation also tell alcoholics they can just cut back, or ask "why cant you just control it, bro?"


So far as I remember, there is no evidence anywhere that nicotine addiction is genetic.  Do you have some research to share?
 
2014-02-17 11:04:03 AM  
Yeah, I missed the second part, which is:

Mild and controllable my ass.
 
2014-02-17 11:05:36 AM  
I'd love to see a Venn diagram of farkers who deride smokers, but defended PSH for being anything but a junkie.
 
2014-02-17 11:05:39 AM  

thamike: What's a militant non-smoker?


According to every smoker I've ever known, a redundancy.
 
2014-02-17 11:06:45 AM  

phamwaa: For everyone. All the time. That's some class-A bullshiat there.

Tobacco is as addictive as heroin (as a mood & behavior altering agent).

Nicotine is:
1000 X more potent than alcohol
10-100 X more potent than barbiturates
5-10 X more potent than cocaine or morphine


So you think those listed withdrawal symptoms are equivalent to fever, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. from heroin withdrawal?  That's kind of weird.
 
2014-02-17 11:12:56 AM  
I quit ten days ago, after a bout with influenza and pneumonia. So leave me the fark alone, you whiny non-smoking sucks. I will kill every one of you!
 
2014-02-17 11:15:43 AM  

RockofAges: Understand that nicotine causes a chemical dependency, and the effects of withdrawal are largely mood altering.


Sure.

But that doesn't change that it's manageable.  What's your point anyway?  That nicotine addiction is impossible to overcome?  That's it's so incredibly difficult that we need to understand that people are going to act like raging assholes when they try to quit?  It's pretty silly, but I'd still like to know.
 
2014-02-17 11:18:40 AM  
I've quit for ten years.  A month doesn't go by that I still want one.  The craving never goes away.
 
2014-02-17 11:21:28 AM  

stuhayes2010: I've quit for ten years.  A month doesn't go by that I still want one.  The craving never goes away.


I quit 2 weeks ago. It hasn't been so bad after the first week or so, but damn if I don't have hours go by at a time where all I can focus on is how much I want to go smoke.
 
2014-02-17 11:25:18 AM  

RockofAges: Yeah, that's my point. Your words were stupid, inaccurate, and I ridiculed them due to their inanity.


Sorry, I can't really take anyone seriously who can't defend himself without resorting to name-calling.

That said, your claim is that my comment is stupid?  That's all you have?  So I can just counter with "Well, you might think that, but the sum total of this thread has done nothing but indicate that you're an idiot with too much time on your hands, an idiot whose opinion is so inconsequential that you're not even worthy of attention" and we can call this exchange over?

Cool, thanks.
 
2014-02-17 11:26:15 AM  
as someone who quit smoking 6 weeks ago (with the help of nicotine gum), this thread is farking hilarious.

/hilarious in a "holy hell these people have no idea wtf they're talking about" kind of way.
//not like that ever stopped anyone on fark before.
 
2014-02-17 11:29:30 AM  

Sirsky: I quit 2 weeks ago. It hasn't been so bad after the first week or so, but damn if I don't have hours go by at a time where all I can focus on is how much I want to go smoke.


I work in a place with a pretty huge set of stairs that take me to my office.  I give myself a couple of minutes to think about how much I miss it, then I think about those stairs and how easy they are to climb now.  That helps me.  YMMV.
 
2014-02-17 11:32:24 AM  

RockofAges: Ever gotten really horny and then been cockblocked hard? Most men get pretty farkin pissed off / aggressive at this juncture.


 Maybe she smelled your shiatty smoker breath and bailed out?
 
2014-02-17 11:34:21 AM  

Don't Touch That: as someone who quit smoking 6 weeks ago (with the help of nicotine gum), this thread is farking hilarious.


So you just changed delivery methods for the nicotine?
 
2014-02-17 11:36:43 AM  
I quit smoking cold turkey 2 years ago and I wasn't a irritable douche about it.
Now that I don't smoke I don't feel the need to do the fake cough and shoot eyedaggers at people who smoke.
Being in the company of someone smoking does not make me want to smoke.
I'm obviously just better than everyone else.
 
2014-02-17 11:49:07 AM  
I could have used a militant non-smoker this weekend, to assault the idiot who insisted on lighting up BEFORE getting on an elevator at the parking garage at the casino, after we got out of the show I took my wife to.

WTF is wrong with a little courtesy? So a smoker can't wait two minutes until he is in the garage and away from people to light up? Really?

That's after ignoring all the idiots who lit up as soon as everybody started leaving the show. We had to shower when we got home... and as I fell asleep, the smell persisted in my nose.

I really won't complain if you want to fill your lungs with carcinogens and spend the last years of your life on an oxygen tank, barely able to breathe, but you should have a bit of courtesy to not fill others' airspace with your filthy habit at the earliest possible time. If you can't wait another minute or two for the courtesy of others, perhaps you should reconsider how badly that addiction has a grip on you.
 
2014-02-17 11:50:31 AM  
Smoked for years and loved it.  Not those filter jobs, Camel coffin nails 'cause they tasted best with a few beers.  Was always getting upper respiratory infections.  The last one was amazing... I could not seem to exhale through the bubbling phlegm.  I could not exhale!  Quit the next morning and laughed (wheezed) at the withdrawal symptoms.  Don't quit, you can't.  Just stop for a long time.  If you get hammered and have one or two don't call yourself a failure, enjoy it and then stop again. When you fail to quit you might think you're a loser.  You are not.  That is a lie.
 
2014-02-17 11:53:42 AM  
Ah you smokers with your adult pacifiers.
 
2014-02-17 11:55:00 AM  
Well, I'm not militant but I felt like punching some dirtbag smoking a stinky cigar in the face yesterday. Gorgeous afternoon on the lakefront and a nice bar but couldn't sit at a nice, empty table because of disgusting cigar smell. Seriously, fark that guy. Yes, I could have just asked him to stop but it's Texas so he was probably packing heat.
 
2014-02-17 12:01:15 PM  

RockofAges: kwame: RockofAges: Understand that nicotine causes a chemical dependency, and the effects of withdrawal are largely mood altering.

Sure.

But that doesn't change that it's manageable.  What's your point anyway?  That nicotine addiction is impossible to overcome?  That's it's so incredibly difficult that we need to understand that people are going to act like raging assholes when they try to quit?  It's pretty silly, but I'd still like to know.

My point is that these two statements:


Anyone who doesn't like being exposed to stench, filth, and carcinogens is a militant non-smoker, apparently.

I believe smokers convince themselves that they're going to be irritable when they quit because they believe they're giving up something valuable.  If you can get past the fallacy that you're giving up something and understand what the timeline of withdrawal is, the cravings are just a mild annoyance.


are idiotic, and the words of a sissy boy. Feel free to disagree, but they sound like they come directly from the mouth of A) the self-righteous ex-smoker who has a "tell all" secret to sell you. B) the guy who coughs super loudly whenever anyone smoking dares walk within 20 feet of them. Meanwhile, they happily breathe in the exhaust fumes and air pollution of their downtown core "must have urban experience".


Yeah, that's my point. Your words were stupid, inaccurate, and I ridiculed them due to their inanity.


Ah yes, the old air pollution canard. Suck it up sissy boy and smoke outside and away from healthier lungs. Take your self righteous "you must breathe the shiat I voluntarily put into my lungs and stink like I do" attitude and smoke that too.
 
2014-02-17 12:05:21 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: Well, I'm not militant but I felt like punching some dirtbag smoking a stinky cigar in the face yesterday. Gorgeous afternoon on the lakefront and a nice bar but couldn't sit at a nice, empty table because of disgusting cigar smell. Seriously, fark that guy. Yes, I could have just asked him to stop but it's Texas so he was probably packing heat.


So what if he's packing heat. You're not suggesting that someone would use their freedom loving peacemaker to settle a dispute over fresh air are you? Something like that would never happen. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-02-17 12:21:26 PM  

kwame: thamike: What's a militant non-smoker?

Anyone who doesn't like being exposed to stench, filth, and carcinogens is a militant non-smoker, apparently.

Diogenes: Except the period of the actual quitting.  My mother was a nightmare when she quit.

I believe smokers convince themselves that they're going to be irritable when they quit because they believe they're giving up something valuable.  If you can get past the fallacy that you're giving up something and understand what the timeline of withdrawal is, the cravings are just a mild annoyance.


Have you quit smoking before?
 
2014-02-17 12:23:16 PM  

kwame: Don't Touch That: as someone who quit smoking 6 weeks ago (with the help of nicotine gum), this thread is farking hilarious.

So you just changed delivery methods for the nicotine?


Pretty much.  I went cold turkey the first week, the results were... unpleasant.   I work some rather long hours sometimes, and while my coworkers were more than understanding, I wasn't happy being the irritable douche I turned into.  4 mg doses now, will go down to 2 mg when those run out, then eventually off it for good.  I absolutely would have relapsed without it.

I'd like to apologize for my douche-soaked post above though.  It's just that when I see people insinuate that its in a smokers head, or that its more habitual than chemical, it's difficult to not take it a bit personal.
 
2014-02-17 12:23:22 PM  

alaric3: If you've never had a gun pointed at your face because you lit up then you haven't been smoking very long.


I've had a gun pointed at face while I was smoking, but I don't think the two were directly related.
 
2014-02-17 12:28:42 PM  

thamike: alaric3: If you've never had a gun pointed at your face because you lit up then you haven't been smoking very long.

I've had a gun pointed at face while I was smoking, but I don't think the two were directly related.


that wasn't a gun
 
2014-02-17 12:38:52 PM  

johnny_vegas: thamike: alaric3: If you've never had a gun pointed at your face because you lit up then you haven't been smoking very long.

I've had a gun pointed at face while I was smoking, but I don't think the two were directly related.

that wasn't a gun


And it wasn't a cigarette they were smoking, either.
 
2014-02-17 12:41:08 PM  

Egoy3k: kregh99: I've always been curious as to why people start to begin with.  It smells like shiat and has no positive health benefits whatsoever.   Even the deadliest cheeseburger has protein and calcium along with the fat and cholesterol.

Try one and get back to us.


Thanks.  I'll pass.  I'd rather my breath not smell like a dungheap.
 
2014-02-17 12:41:27 PM  

andersoncouncil42: Needlessly Complicated: Well, I'm not militant but I felt like punching some dirtbag smoking a stinky cigar in the face yesterday. Gorgeous afternoon on the lakefront and a nice bar but couldn't sit at a nice, empty table because of disgusting cigar smell. Seriously, fark that guy. Yes, I could have just asked him to stop but it's Texas so he was probably packing heat.

So what if he's packing heat. You're not suggesting that someone would use their freedom loving peacemaker to settle a dispute over fresh air are you? Something like that would never happen. What could possibly go wrong?


Now, if this was in Florida, the cigar-chomper would have blown Needlessly Complicated away, and would have gotten off with zero charges.
 
2014-02-17 12:45:25 PM  

jfivealive: Have you quit smoking before?


Yes, why?
 
2014-02-17 12:45:50 PM  

kregh99: Egoy3k: kregh99: I've always been curious as to why people start to begin with.  It smells like shiat and has no positive health benefits whatsoever.   Even the deadliest cheeseburger has protein and calcium along with the fat and cholesterol.

Try one and get back to us.

Thanks.  I'll pass.  I'd rather my breath not smell like a dungheap.


I guess you aren't all that curious after all.
 
2014-02-17 01:17:54 PM  

RockofAges: are idiotic, and the words of a sissy boy. Feel free to disagree, but they sound like they come directly from the mouth of A) the self-righteous ex-smoker who has a "tell all" secret to sell you. B) the guy who coughs super loudly whenever anyone smoking dares walk within 20 feet of them. Meanwhile, they happily breathe in the exhaust fumes and air pollution of their downtown core "must have urban experience".


Haha, "sissy boy". What are you, 12?

Nice straw man you constructed regarding people happily breathing exhaust fumes. You might actually believe people enjoy that too.
 
2014-02-17 01:20:11 PM  

kwame: jfivealive: Have you quit smoking before?

Yes, why?


Then you should understand the difficulty of it.  It is mostly mental after those first few days of physical addiction are withdrawn, but that doesn't make it any less difficult.  The way I would compare its affect on your mental health would be to some sort of phobia.  It's all in your head, but that mental addiction can certainly provoke real physical effects.  For example, you're scared of heights.  When in a position that activates that phobia many people will feel fear and anxiety which could cause an increase in blood pressure, sweating, shaking, and not being able to think properly.  You will become agitated if you can't leave that situation.  It's the same thing with quitting smoking.  Since many smokers come across so many situations in every day life where they would normally have a cigarette they will become agitated by not being able to those habitual motions.  Although the affects are primarily mental, they have a real effect on you physically as well.

Cigarette addiction is not as easy to rectify as you seem to believe.  I do agree that everyone has the willpower within themselves to quit because it really is as simple as just deciding not to light up a cigarette, but it doesn't mean that choice is a simple one.  There are many people who really do want to quit and they just plain have a more difficult time of it than others.  It has been 18 months since I quit smoking, and I did do it cold turkey, but i will not downplay how difficult it was to do.
 
2014-02-17 01:22:58 PM  

jfivealive: Since many smokers come across so many situations in every day life where they would normally have a cigarette they will become agitated by not being able to perform those habitual motions.

 
2014-02-17 01:27:59 PM  

thamike: alaric3: If you've never had a gun pointed at your face because you lit up then you haven't been smoking very long.

I've had a gun pointed at face while I was smoking, but I don't think the two were directly related.


But if you were smoking your brother, you were directly related.
 
2014-02-17 01:34:00 PM  
I'd assume the mental health and capacity advantage goes to those intelligent enough in the first place to never start smoking.
 
2014-02-17 01:34:14 PM  

jfivealive: Cigarette addiction is not as easy to rectify as you seem to believe.


I never claimed it was easy.  I said it was manageable once you understand the nature of the addiction and how it's affecting you.  I tried multiple methods, and the one that worked without a hitch involved learning what I was craving and how my brain and body were trying to trick me into thinking I needed it.  I still have cravings, but like I initially said they're controllable and manageable.

Honestly, I think reinforcing for people what a Herculean task it is to quit just gives them a back door to relapse.  If you can learn that there's nothing debilitating about nicotine withdrawal, you can deal with it.
 
2014-02-17 01:35:42 PM  

kwame: Diogenes: I think it varies from person to person, but I also believe there's truth to what you're saying. In mom's case, probably truthier. I think her addiction was more habitual than chemical.

I agree completely.  I think the chemical dependence creates this sense of habit and comfort, but it's beatable.  It's really pretty fascinating from a psychological standpoint.

alaric3: If you've never had a gun pointed at your face because you lit up then you haven't been smoking very long.

I smoked for 20 years and was never accosted for it, but then I also never assumed it was my right to pollute the air of people who choose not to smoke.


So you don't drive, either? Or take any form of motorized transportation?

Oh, your computer pollutes as well. You may consider funneling that $5 per month on TotalFark into some carbon credits there, ace.
 
2014-02-17 01:37:07 PM  

bk3k: I'd assume the mental health and capacity advantage goes to those intelligent enough in the first place to never start smoking.


Not everyone is lucky enough to have been born in a place that discouraged it, and intelligence has nothing to do with the decision to try a drug.
 
2014-02-17 01:38:36 PM  

Carousel Beast: So you don't drive, either? Or take any form of motorized transportation?

Oh, your computer pollutes as well. You may consider funneling that $5 per month on TotalFark into some carbon credits there, ace.


I drive, but I still don't assume it's my right.  Why would you think I assume it's my right to drive?  Were you just chomping at the bit for that sad old counter-argument that you didn't consider it wasn't accurate?
 
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