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2014-02-16 05:42:36 PM  
lol'd at the comments
 
2014-02-16 05:46:26 PM  
akamikedanger.com
He knows what a "moment of clarity" is.
 
2014-02-16 06:08:07 PM  
FTA: "Times are tough for the extreme..."

Stopped reading right there.
 
2014-02-16 06:14:29 PM  
The next GOP presidential nominee must reach all elements of the party, by appealing to hard facts...

Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2014-02-16 06:21:57 PM  
A lot of the action in the Congress, and across the party actually reminds a bit of some of the actions of the sokaiya gangs of the Yakuza. They specialize in scams in holding up corporate players, and to do the boards or at least portions of the board "services" to get shareholder votes. The TEA Party and the folks that the Heritage Foundation and their ilk have fostered, are essentially threatening the operations of the GOP, and shaking them down for their taste. They have rank and file members who don't realize that they've got a scam going, and actually believe in the "ideals" of this Astroturf, but in the end, it's NOT about ideals, it's about cash. Cash, and attention, and keeping an agenda, and using folks who have no idea what the scam is about, to be their fresh faces, and sending in these "troops" in, and pulling their strings. I hate to give Rubin credit here, but her words here sum up the problem with the use of the TEA Party fairly well: "Heritage Action, a prime player in this D.C.-based racket, held a conference trying to insist it stands for something other than shutting down the government and returning to the pre-Progressive era. "

And that is what it is. A racket.

The Japanese at least have experience with sokaiya and seiriya and jiyageya and the tekiya and their forms of graft--and the Yakuza were very much involved in politics, especially with the Far Right, so their inclusion in politics, and keeping unions under control, and contracts flowing was considered normal. Here, we are witnessing the birth of a wonderful new form of graft, and that is holding a party up, and by folks who are a part that has never felt especially welcomed, and they've leveraged their inclusion into the party with agility, but with all the grace and tact of a street fighter.

The TEA Party is a bludgeon to convince folks to tow a line. Using cash from idiots, to leverage votes, to leverage offices, to get a bigger seat at the table, and run down the clock for agendas, to get a bigger place at the table, it's less for a concrete agenda, as it is to punish folks for NOT inviting them in earlier, and worse, it's using idiots and nincompoops who have no real knowledge beyond their talking points, who like that they're being dealt in to advance an agenda that they don't understand. That's the real issue with these folks: they aren't calling the shots, but they are the ones in office, and that's the unfortunate thing about this kind of Astroturf...
 
2014-02-16 06:24:41 PM  
Holy crap, who stuck Jennifer Rubin's name on a halfway decent article and then uploaded it to WaPo? It's like her ghostwriter meant to submit it to Wonkette, and hit the wrong button.

What's been going on with somewhat rational articles in right-wing sites lately? Next thing you know there'll be a pro-evolution article on American Thinker.
 
2014-02-16 06:27:47 PM  
The next GOP presidential nominee must reach all elements of the party, by appealing to hard facts, conservative common sense and recent experience.

Jumbo shrimp.
 
2014-02-16 06:32:22 PM  

ox45tallboy: What's been going on with somewhat rational articles in right-wing sites lately?


Trying to prove to 'undecideds", pre-election, that they're sane.
 
2014-02-16 07:00:45 PM  

ox45tallboy: Holy crap, who stuck Jennifer Rubin's name on a halfway decent article and then uploaded it to WaPo? It's like her ghostwriter meant to submit it to Wonkette, and hit the wrong button.

What's been going on with somewhat rational articles in right-wing sites lately? Next thing you know there'll be a pro-evolution article on American Thinker.


One of the really great strengths of the American electoral system* is that we hold the primary AFTER the elections.  So when either party goes completely goddamn insane, the other party can take over and do more or less whatever the hell they want right up until the adults on the other side figure out that they had BETTER compromise in order to compete in elections (Or in current political terms, better a Clinton than an Obama).

* And it does have issues.  but Arrow's Theorem says that it's a question of WHICH issues you have?
 
2014-02-16 07:02:12 PM  

meyerkev: ox45tallboy: Holy crap, who stuck Jennifer Rubin's name on a halfway decent article and then uploaded it to WaPo? It's like her ghostwriter meant to submit it to Wonkette, and hit the wrong button.

What's been going on with somewhat rational articles in right-wing sites lately? Next thing you know there'll be a pro-evolution article on American Thinker.

One of the really great strengths of the American electoral system* is that we hold the primary AFTER the elections.  So when either party goes completely goddamn insane, the other party can take over and do more or less whatever the hell they want right up until the adults on the other side figure out that they had BETTER compromise in order to compete in elections (Or in current political terms, better a Clinton than an Obama).

* And it does have issues.  but Arrow's Theorem says that it's a question of WHICH issues you have?


And it *looks* like this process is currently happening on the right.
 
2014-02-16 07:07:25 PM  
I actually noticed her going off script about 4 months ago.
 
2014-02-16 07:13:12 PM  
FTFA:  "On foreign policy, the non-interventionist strategy in Syria, favored by some in the conservative media and a slim segment of elected House and Senate Republicans and the president, has uniformly been recognized as a disaster. "

1.  The TEA Toddlers think foreign policy is a type of insurance.

2.  Ms. Rubin is still a raving loony.
 
2014-02-16 07:15:27 PM  
Republicans have absolutely nothing to offer people. Their platform consists of tax cuts for the wealthy, undermining our economy and declaring everyone else enemies.
They are not good for America.
 
2014-02-16 07:16:12 PM  
makeameme.org
 
2014-02-16 07:21:38 PM  
Times are tough for the extreme, anti-internationalist right


Is there any other kind of right in the U.S., anymore?


...which has been championed by a segment of the GOP House and Senate


How big is this segment? It's all but two or three members of the GOP House and Senate, isn't it?
 
2014-02-16 07:22:21 PM  
When political columnists have a true moment of clarity they quit their jobs and become high rise window cleaners.
 
2014-02-16 07:25:01 PM  

FrancoFile: I actually noticed her going off script about 4 months ago.


And you didn't say anything? My God man, have you no compassion? This woman could be on the brink of mental wellness!
 
2014-02-16 07:26:35 PM  

DrPainMD: FTA: "Times are tough for the extreme..."

Stopped reading right there.


Why? Is the truth hard to take?
 
2014-02-16 07:27:23 PM  

wildcardjack: When political columnists have a true moment of clarity they quit their jobs and become high rise window cleaners.


Or go back to sports commentary.
 
2014-02-16 07:27:50 PM  
she's clearly a RINO
 
2014-02-16 07:28:09 PM  

FrancoFile: I actually noticed her going off script about 4 months ago.


Yeah, there's been quite a few articles lately that have shown that she's tired of putting up with the BS the Tea Party have pushed on the rest of us.

I think the debt ceiling debacle last fall was her last straw.
 
2014-02-16 07:31:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Yeah, there's been quite a few articles lately that have shown that she's tired of putting up with the BS the Tea Party have pushed on the rest of us.


or rather the people who pay her to push a line have noticed that line is not particularly popular anymore and would like to use a softer line
 
2014-02-16 07:31:37 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Yeah, there's been quite a few articles lately that have shown that she's tired of putting up with the BS the Tea Party have pushed on the rest of us.


What she's tired of is the prospect of not being taken seriously anymore.  The canny ones are always the first off the sinking ship.
 
2014-02-16 07:33:14 PM  

Mrtraveler01: FrancoFile: I actually noticed her going off script about 4 months ago.

Yeah, there's been quite a few articles lately that have shown that she's tired of putting up with the BS the Tea Party have pushed on the rest of us.

I think the debt ceiling debacle last fall was her last straw.


...well, she's still dreaming of President Christie's Cabinet, with Vice President Walker the first of many manning it.
 
2014-02-16 07:33:20 PM  
On foreign policy, the non-interventionist strategy in Syria, favored by some in the conservative media and a slim segment of elected House and Senate Republicans and the president,  has uniformly been recognized as a disaster.

You know, I like to follow foreign policy as much as the next guy, but I don't recall this ever happening.

/Now there's the Jennifer Rubin we've all grown to know and mock at
 
2014-02-16 07:34:24 PM  

meyerkev: One of the really great strengths of the American electoral system* is that we hold the primary AFTER the elections


Can you explain what you mean by this? I don't understand.
 
2014-02-16 07:34:30 PM  
RINO
 
2014-02-16 07:35:54 PM  
Poison in my GOP?  You don't say!
 
2014-02-16 07:36:25 PM  

doyner: The next GOP presidential nominee must reach all elements of the party, by appealing to hard facts...

Yeah, good luck with that.


Exactly what I came here to say.
 
2014-02-16 07:40:38 PM  

sprawl15: Mrtraveler01: Yeah, there's been quite a few articles lately that have shown that she's tired of putting up with the BS the Tea Party have pushed on the rest of us.

or rather the people who pay her to push a line have noticed that line is not particularly popular anymore and would like to use a softer line


Most likely this.
 
2014-02-16 07:42:21 PM  

sprawl15: Mrtraveler01: Yeah, there's been quite a few articles lately that have shown that she's tired of putting up with the BS the Tea Party have pushed on the rest of us.

or rather the people who pay her to push a line have noticed that line is not particularly popular anymore and would like to use a softer line


You're probably right. I'm just too optimistic that people actually change.

/I should stop doing that
 
2014-02-16 07:45:20 PM  
The real problem with the GOP is this: You brought em to the dance, you dance with em. Had they not appealed to the crazies to get out and vote, they would not have won elections (on all levels), and now that they are turning on what common sense pubbers, they aren't going to quit until they eradicate the party of all sense of logic.

And I, for one, and sitting back enjoying this. I live in Nebraska (I know, I know) and I hear it daily that the nutters want the party to go even further right. Saying things like "we aren't losing elections because of going far right, it is because we have appealed to RINO's".

Until the GOP gets someone with some common sense (and it isnt Rance Preibus) in at the top of the party, in the next 8-12 years they will be irrelevant, if not defunct. The fact that Boehner is scared shiatless of Ted Cruz is proof enough of that theory to me.
 
2014-02-16 07:45:41 PM  

ox45tallboy: wildcardjack: When political columnists have a true moment of clarity they quit their jobs and become high rise window cleaners.

Or go back to sports commentary.


I just recognized that they're the same thing. A bunch of people get worried about things they can't change and then spread the news about them in a fashion that raises the cortisol levels of millions of people who don't recognize it's not their problem to stress about.
 
2014-02-16 07:46:10 PM  
Maybe I'm tired but I just can't get through the article.  Does anyone have a simple summary of it?
 
2014-02-16 07:46:15 PM  

hubiestubert: The TEA Party is a bludgeon to convince folks to tow a line. Using cash from idiots, to leverage votes, to leverage offices, to get a bigger seat at the table, and run down the clock for agendas, to get a bigger place at the table, it's less for a concrete agenda, as it is to punish folks for NOT inviting them in earlier, and worse, it's using idiots and nincompoops who have no real knowledge beyond their talking points, who like that they're being dealt in to advance an agenda that they don't understand. That's the real issue with these folks: they aren't calling the shots, but they are the ones in office, and that's the unfortunate thing about this kind of Astroturf...


You make a valid point here. There's a reason we're seeing so many Tea Party Congress critters that come off as uneducated and unwise in the way they state their opinions - they're basically intelligent enough to do as they're told, but not intelligent enough for independent thought - i.e., wondering who in the world is pulling these strings and what motivations do they have for telling me to vote this way? Many don't even realize their strings are being pulled, nor how exactly they got this nice cushy job with tons of respect and huge loans for two houses when they were already $150,000 in debt (and the book deal that funneled the money to pay it all off). These people don't question any of it, they just vote the way their "staff" advises them to vote, and then they come off as ridiculously awkward when trying to explain anything outside of the talking points.

To me, this is just a natural outgrowth of Big Money in politics. It has to happen, because businesses exist for a profit, and nothing is more profitable than making taxpayers pay for your product one way or the other.
 
2014-02-16 07:48:16 PM  

Mrtraveler01: DrPainMD: FTA: "Times are tough for the extreme..."

Stopped reading right there.

Why? Is the truth hard to take?


He doesn't think they were extreme enough.
 
2014-02-16 07:48:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: You're probably right. I'm just too optimistic that people actually change.


at best the change in her tone is from "obama bad because he is satan" to "obama is still bad for all the same reasons but maybe just call him hitler for a bit until we can win some court battles ok guys"
 
2014-02-16 07:49:18 PM  

Mrtraveler01: DrPainMD: FTA: "Times are tough for the extreme..."

Stopped reading right there.

Why? Is the truth hard to take?


You shouldn't use your Fark handle on WaPo. The NSA could find you that way. ;)
 
2014-02-16 07:51:09 PM  
res.cloudinary.com
I'm reminded of the time when Cal Thomas (one of the founding members of the "Moral Majority") went all "Morality cannot be forced upon people through the power of law" soon after Bill Clinton was reelected.

And then when GW Bush took over, Cal was all "We should force people to be moral through the power of law".

Don't fall for these rightwingers trying to "play nice". If the winds change, they'll be right back to being fascists jerks, and even more so in order to compensate.
 
2014-02-16 07:55:56 PM  
FTA: Times are tough for the extreme, anti-internationalist right which has been championed by a segment of the GOP House and Senate and is promulgated (and largely funded by) a set of inside-the Beltway groups expert on raising money and sowing dissension among Republicans.

Jesus Christ, I'm out of breath just reading the first sentence. That lead shouldn't fly in a Journalism 101 class, let alone the WP.
 
2014-02-16 08:00:10 PM  

Rug Doctor: FTA: Times are tough for the extreme, anti-internationalist right which has been championed by a segment of the GOP House and Senate and is promulgated (and largely funded by) a set of inside-the Beltway groups expert on raising money and sowing dissension among Republicans.

Jesus Christ, I'm out of breath just reading the first sentence. That lead shouldn't fly in a Journalism 101 class, let alone the WP.


I think that is why I couldn't read more than a the first few paragraphs.
 
2014-02-16 08:01:32 PM  
Hmmm, looks like Jenny Rubin has definitely picked a side in the GOP civil war with this column.

Bashing the "far right". Using words like "extreme" and "clownish" to describe their "antics", questioning their "credibility" and "competence" etc.

Giving Ted Cruz a literary cock punch as well just to make sure everyone got the message loud and clear.

Having had her moment of clarity on this point she is now free to go back to shouting "Benghazi!11!" at the top of her lungs to show how reasonable the rest of the GOP is these days.
 
2014-02-16 08:02:31 PM  
"The next GOP presidential nominee must reach all elements of the party, by appealing to hard facts, conservative common sense and recent experience. (Ha ha ha ha!!!!) Hopefully that will be sufficient to wean the overwhelming number of Republicans from the new dark ages of the far right into a sunnier and more sensible brand of conservatism that embraces good policy and good politics. In doing so, such a candidate can also reach the large center of U.S. politics that has been turned off by the left's embrace of counterproductive statism and international weaknesses. (I think I just heard her order from the waitperson a large wtf-wordsalad with extra whargarbble on the side) That should more than make up for loss of the few determined holdouts who'd rather be martyrs (and moneymakers) in an era of a Democratic-controlled federal government. (No, they WOULD rather make money "martyring" themselves. It is their "Christian" way.)"

It is still Jennifer Rubin and Fred Hiatt still gives her a column (for shame!)  Do not for a second be convinced that she is any less nutty than she ever has been, despite a seeming temporal sanity in wanting to step outside puking distance from the seriously demented theo-fascists in her party. That's the point she misses entirely, or refuses to call out - it's the bible thumpers as well as the tea baggers that have dragged the GOP to the paranoid-fantasized right of the old Birchers.
 
2014-02-16 08:03:11 PM  

Gyrfalcon: You shouldn't use your Fark handle on WaPo. The NSA could find you that way. ;)


Exactly. That's how they found Jennifer Rubin. And now look at her writings.
 
2014-02-16 08:05:03 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: The real problem with the GOP is this: You brought em to the dance, you dance with em. Had they not appealed to the crazies to get out and vote, they would not have won elections (on all levels), and now that they are turning on what common sense pubbers, they aren't going to quit until they eradicate the party of all sense of logic.

And I, for one, and sitting back enjoying this. I live in Nebraska (I know, I know) and I hear it daily that the nutters want the party to go even further right. Saying things like "we aren't losing elections because of going far right, it is because we have appealed to RINO's".


That's the flaw in living a way of "life" where being in constant fear of "The Other" compels them to act the way they do. What happens when they run out of things to fear and hate? The "War on Christmas" was a prime example of the hatemongers grasping at straws. Just waiting for moment when Fox News starts hating on "My Little Pony" for it's message of Love & Tolerance as being socialist ideas. Teabaggers Vs Bronies. Talk about a clash of the Autistics.
 
2014-02-16 08:05:30 PM  

MindStalker: meyerkev: One of the really great strengths of the American electoral system* is that we hold the primary AFTER the elections

Can you explain what you mean by this? I don't understand.


Parliamentary System:

* Have 8 Katrillion parties.
* Hold the election
* If one party lacks a majority, old white men go into a room and try to hammer out a coalition (or don't).
* And so it's entirely plausible that the "old rich white plutocrats party" joins up with the cooky "pre-Enlightenment religious nuts" party (joins up with the "White Supremacy" party) and forms a coalition.
* And had you walked up to the voters and said "A vote for plutocrats is ALSO a vote for religious theocracy" (or vice versa), maybe a few of those voters wouldn't have voted that way.

American System:

* Have 8 Katrillion wings.
* Wings ally themselves to form coalitions under a party banner.
* You get some oddities (See the "religious nut, plutocrat, white supremacist, anti-PC, libertarian, gun nut, FREEDOM, assimilate immigrants" party up against the "Insert Minority here combined with white guilt, more social freedoms (except when it comes to guns), way too damn much political correctness, a farking stupid insistence on equality of outcome over equality of opportunity, and always more government, and open borders combined with no assimilation" party).
* in fact, there's even a special election called a primary to determine which faction is ascendant and to what degree at any given time called a primary.
* And then if the American electorate doesn't LIKE the currently ascendant faction, they can choose the other party.  (Obama vs. Rich White Man was at least sorta close, Obama v. Religious Kook would not have been (And to the extent that Obama vs. McCain was actually about Obama vs. Palin, it was not.))

And so what that means is that the rich white men running the Republican Party are looking at a recent 8.8% increase in their tax rate because the Tea Party is COMPLETELY insane*, America is voting pure Democrat BECAUSE they're completely goddamn insane, and they're trying to bring things under control so that the Democrats can't run complete Leftists (by American Standards.  47% of Americans voted for Romney during a sustained recession when Romney was a stereotypical evil plutocrat.  Just saying) and create even more useless, wasteful, inefficient, corrupt, job/wealth-destroying (from their POV.  Rich white men) government programs off further taxing them.

* I actually like their philosophical starting points.  I just never, ever want them actually running things.
 
2014-02-16 08:07:37 PM  
nah she's still pushing for war in Iran and Syria. fark her
 
2014-02-16 08:08:38 PM  
"Pre-progressive era"?  When did we have a progressive era?
 
2014-02-16 08:10:40 PM  

Emposter: "Pre-progressive era"?  When did we have a progressive era?


Right about the time of the Pullman strike.
 
2014-02-16 08:11:50 PM  
I don't see the point of being rabidly political (of which there are a lot of here). Each side seems so convinced that if they prevail, utopia is right around the corner. I assure you that regardless of who wins it is not. It will continue to be the same brutal and chaotic world it has always been. It is easier to just accept that rather than to futily endeavor to create some perfect society. It will just be a life of frustration and disappointment if you do.

/used to be one of those idealists.
 
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