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2014-02-16 02:42:26 PM
12 votes:
Yes, because other methods of power generation have zero environmental impact that might lead to wildlife deaths.

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2014-02-16 02:44:35 PM
5 votes:
dozens of birds

THE HORROR!!!!

These stories about bird deaths from windmillls and now apparently solar farms make me laugh. Do these idiots have any idea on how many millions of birds die every year, many from house pets? The percentage that are killed by windmills and solar is so small as to be unmeasurable.
2014-02-16 03:32:44 PM
3 votes:
Proof you just cant please some motherfarkers.

Drill oil wells? They biatch screaming for renewable energy.

Fracking for natural gas? They biatch screaming for renewable energy.

Build a renewable energy solar power plant? They biatch a few blackbirds got scorched.


Stfu. Unless you expect everyone to go back to the stone age, we will need energy in some form from somwehere.

You got your solar power station instead of fossil fuel-powered plant. Zip it.
2014-02-16 03:34:03 PM
2 votes:

jvl: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Yes, because other methods of power generation have zero environmental impact that might lead to wildlife deaths.

Compared to a Wind Farm, a big pit mine really doesn't kill wildlife.


No, it just destroys the habitat capable of sustaining it in the first place.  Either way- no birds.  So I fail to see your point.
2014-02-16 03:29:36 PM
2 votes:
Environmentalists have hit out at a giant new solar farm in the Mojave Desert

Uh huh... I'm sure they have.

It's pretty awesome how all sorts of crazy neo cons and drill shills are all of a sudden concerned about a few birds MAYBE getting hurt/killed by these oh so evil and horrendous renewable energy sites.

I'm not going to bother reading a DM faux outrage article but IF they happened to name these supposed environmental groups I'm wondering what would be found with a little research into them. I'm sure they are TOTES not funded and backed by neo con scummos and for realzies care about teh widdle birdies.

It could also be extreme leftist zealots a la PETA who would rather every man woman and child on the planet commit suicide to "SAVE THE FLEAS!!!" or some such nonsense.

Either way... this is POSITIVE progress. Nothing will be perfect or at least it won't for a long time but this is better than the planet killing (and thus human killing... even you rich bootstrappers) status quo.
2014-02-16 03:24:05 PM
2 votes:
And after a couple generations, the surviving birds will have learned to avoid the area.

It's a self-solving problem, really
2014-02-16 03:17:49 PM
2 votes:
While any unneccessary death of wildlife is bad and should be avoided, windows and cats kill birds by the millions. If we really care, we should do something about those.
2014-02-16 05:25:58 PM
1 votes:

Benjimin_Dover: Libtards fight a project that they don't like using studies, regulations, or media campaigns = WE ARE AWESOME!
Conservatards fight a project that they don't like using the same studies, regulations, or media campaigns = STOP COPYING US!


I'm sure that's how you view it, Sparkles.

More like sane people with a bit of intelligence, forethought, common sense and education who give a f*ck about something beyond their own personal gain use due diligence to weigh the pros and cons of major policies and activities to do what's best for society as a whole and then work together to enact positive change in the world = Hey... look at us being compassionate human beings ensuring the future of our species and planet isn't a total hellhole deathpit f*ck up... but we can still do better so let's get back to work.

Obnoxiously wealthy assholes who want to steal every last penny from every man woman and child on the planet no matter how horrendously it affects everyone else convince selfish, ignorant dullards to do their dirty work for them against those dullards best interests = *facepalm*

Congratulations. You're self defeating moron. I'm sure you are quite proud of yourself about it too.
2014-02-16 05:01:45 PM
1 votes:
Build a dome over it to keep the birds out.

Jeez. Do I have to think of everything?
2014-02-16 04:14:30 PM
1 votes:

here to help: Environmentalists have hit out at a giant new solar farm in the Mojave Desert

Uh huh... I'm sure they have.

It's pretty awesome how all sorts of crazy neo cons and drill shills are all of a sudden concerned about a few birds MAYBE getting hurt/killed by these oh so evil and horrendous renewable energy sites.

I'm not going to bother reading a DM faux outrage article but IF they happened to name these supposed environmental groups I'm wondering what would be found with a little research into them. I'm sure they are TOTES not funded and backed by neo con scummos and for realzies care about teh widdle birdies.

It could also be extreme leftist zealots a la PETA who would rather every man woman and child on the planet commit suicide to "SAVE THE FLEAS!!!" or some such nonsense.

Either way... this is POSITIVE progress. Nothing will be perfect or at least it won't for a long time but this is better than the planet killing (and thus human killing... even you rich bootstrappers) status quo.


Self proclaimed environmentalists have stuck out at many green sources of energy over the yeas. From hydro (bad for the fish), to nuclear (bad for having half the words of nuclear bomb) to windmills (birds) to solar plants that affected wildlife (tortoises) or natural gas (fracking) to tidal (fish) or mass transit trains (California) this kind of thing happens day in and out all over the world. You joke but example upon example of these kinds of things are a very simple google search away.

Many environmentalists are sincerely interested in progress and clean energy and dedicate their lives to making these things ahppen. Unfortunately the zealots and luddites have a long track record of crying NIMBY and doing everything they can to prevent any kind of energy development. Oddly enough you almost never seem to see protests for coal for some reason. This leads to my pet theory that the luddites are unknowing puppets of the Koch brothers receiving donations from them to keep up their work.

There is no such thing as green energy, there is only greener energy. Every form of energy has it's drawbacks, and the zealouts keep forgetting that if you can't put up one form easily companies will just go to their standby of coal power plants.
2014-02-16 04:11:47 PM
1 votes:
Since these deaths and injuries occurred during construction, that doesn't confirm a "solar roasts birds," conclusion. I'd be curious to see what figures are generated now that it's finished and operating. Heating a static surface to the point of boiling using thousands of surfaces is one thing, keeping the air in between hot enough to flash scorch a bird is entirely another. 

This leads to point two. The Daily Mail is quite a rag so that doesn't confirm this as a legitimate news article. I'd be curious to see this story reported from a more reputable source.

That being said, to everyone saying, "fark those birds," for anyone actually caring about the practical or ethical aspects of reducing environmental impacts that would be the wrong answer both because it directly ignores those concerns and because it is the exact hypocrisy a schlock story on this subject pitched by anti-environmentalist shills would be fishing for.
2014-02-16 04:03:20 PM
1 votes:

jvl: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Yes, because other methods of power generation have zero environmental impact that might lead to wildlife deaths.

Compared to a Wind Farm, a big pit mine really doesn't kill wildlife.

Doesn't mean that Wind Farms are a bad idea, it just means that your point is wrong.


Really?  What happened to all the animals living on the land before they knocked all the trees over, ripped off the top soil and blew up the ground?  Did they all get relocated?  What effect does the habitat loss have on the overall population of the animals that would have been living there?  What about the animals poised by the run off when it rains?
2014-02-16 04:01:10 PM
1 votes:

UsikFark: My 'caption' actually would have better fit show me's picture, but what the Aak!


Ack ack!

One of my favorite surprise movie scenes of all time. Top ten for sure.
2014-02-16 03:48:02 PM
1 votes:
Although solar power is the way of the future, I don't think massive plants like this are the best way to capture it.  Not only do they scorch birds, but building the plant destroys a lot of habitat for relatively little gain, like a hydroelectric dam.

Why can't we just install solar panels on every rooftop of every building?  It's noninvasive in comparison, and gives us plenty of usable land coverage.  The only reason I can think is that it takes the power generating out of the hands of the power companies...
2014-02-16 03:46:07 PM
1 votes:

jvl: Compared to a Wind Farm, a big pit mine really doesn't kill wildlife.


It isn't the pit mine that is the problem, it's the coal.
Coal Ash has been shown to cause increased risk of cancer, learning disabilities, neurological disorders, birth defects, reproductive failure, asthma, organ disease, heart damage, lung disease, respiratory distress, kidney disease, reproductive problems, gastrointestinal illness, birth defects, impaired bone growth in children, behavioral problems, respiratory illness, neurological damage, tissue disease, and developmental problems. Studies have shown that living near a wet coal ash storage pond is significantly more dangerous than smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. Toxins in coal ash build up in the bodies of exposed animals and birds, causing the pollutants to move up the food chain when they are eaten. Children are more susceptible to the health impacts of coal ash. Pregnant women should avoid exposure at all costs.
2014-02-16 03:45:52 PM
1 votes:
Entropy. You can't escape it. But you can slow it down.

With fossil fuels you get pollution.

With nuclear power you get a different kind of pollution (heat from cooling towers and water pipes, radiation, occasionally a runaway China Syndrome or a nuclear weapons Ka-Boom!

With wind you slow the winds and kill the birds.

With solar you slow the winds, soak up the light and heat and roast the birds.

It's all entropy and the only impossible answer is a perpetual motion machine that does not generate any heat or waste. Lots of luck, chum-ps!

Every form of power is generated at the cost of a given amount of entropy. You can pump energy uphill, contrary to the crap that creationists and cranks talk, but this merely means that you are dumping more waste heat outside of the system or else sucking energy into the system from outside. The Law of Entropy is not to be violated, it can only be disguised or ignored by a crank.

The only way to escape entropy is to escape the system. Local entropy might decline when living organisms or machines turn some form of latent power into active work, but the only way to avoid the heat and waste is to dump it outside.

For centuries humans have been dumping their waste into the air and water or the soil and thus "eliminating" it. But this is not what really happens. It doesn't go away, it goes downstream. Where it makes the world nastier for other people, animals, plants, and machines.

Creationists are polemicists and apologists for a very primitive pre-scientific view of the world and this is the waste and heat into which they pull scientists and any reasonable, informed or rational person. They perpetuate the muck of ignorance and dwell happily in it like pigs.

It doesn't matter if you are a liberal or a conservative, a believer or an unbeliever, a denialist or a scientist, if you fail to recognize the Law of Entropy and do your best to fight it where and while you can. But you can't win this game, you can't break even, and you can never quit.

All you can do is expand your consensual reality and your activity into a bigger and bigger system, hoping to outrun entropy on the short run, knowing that the universe is doomed to heat death or a big crush in the end.
2014-02-16 03:40:28 PM
1 votes:

The more you eat the more you fart: Proof you just cant please some motherfarkers.

Drill oil wells? They biatch screaming for renewable energy.

Fracking for natural gas? They biatch screaming for renewable energy.

Build a renewable energy solar power plant? They biatch a few blackbirds got scorched.


Stfu. Unless you expect everyone to go back to the stone age, we will need energy in some form from somwehere.

You got your solar power station instead of fossil fuel-powered plant. Zip it.


You really believe the Daily Fail that environmentalists are flocking (pun intended) to protest the solar power station?

*Rupert Murdoch*'s Daily Fail?

Really?

/PETA and their ilk don't count for spit
2014-02-16 03:37:34 PM
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: Well, looks like we're about to wipe out the last of the dinosaurs.

Dinki: These stories about bird deaths from windmillls and now apparently solar farms make me laugh. Do these idiots have any idea on how many millions of birds die every year, many from house pets? The percentage that are killed by windmills and solar is so small as to be unmeasurable.


This is why I'd never have an out door cat.  From what I've seen and read about this a lot of the birds they kill are the nice song birds you'd want around,  instead of those cawing, crowing, ugly MF'ers too.

Keep your cats in the house people!
2014-02-16 03:34:34 PM
1 votes:

Agent Smiths Laugh: InterruptingQuirk: Animals is stupider since Noah's Ark because of inbreding.

Yes, yes they are.

Some of them actually believe that story too.


And another you'd expect is exactly one Y chromosome for all of the unclean animals. With humans, you would expect no more than four, assuming that Mrs. Noah committed adultery and Shem, Japeth and Ham all had a different Father besides Noah. But that, apparently, would have been a greater taboo than incest for 6,000 years. The Bible doesn't say that the human race is descended from an adulteress.

It says we are all inbred from Cain, possiblly Abel, Enoch and their sisters. The only way around this is to assume that God made Adam and Eve as the ancestors of the Jews, but that there were plenty of people (cave men) around to interbreed with them so that they didn't become hopelessly polydactyl and moronic.

I think creationists cleverly strain out gnats from their wine and then swallow camels and even great blue whales of credulity. The facts do not support creationism in any field of science from astronomy and cosmology to biology, genetics and microbiology.

In order for there to be scores of Y chromosomes with uncountable mutations, evolution would have to exist and work at super-speed instead of the world being billions of years old with evolution working one nucleotide a year for billions of years. This is absurd.

To avoid the issue of speciation, creationists invented "kinds" based on the Biblical word. But these kinds would have to evolve at rocket speeds to produce thousands of species each of rats, bats, sparrows, etc.

Your quibbles prove nothing. The "facts" you are trying to preserve are rendered even more improbable by the cognitive dissonance that allows you to believe in super-rapid evolution but not the slow kind because the book you believe is true is a couple of thousand years old, while the world it purports to explain is billions of years old.

Having your cake and eating it is peculiarly American optimism, and it is based purely on the fantasies embroidered around ancient myths and the refusal to admit that they are in fact myths rather than literal and inerrant facts.

Science has no literal and inerrant facts. It has only hypotheses, fact-checking and theories composed of facts that have survived repeated testing. Consequently, the religionists have kept a steady war of polemics and apologetics, stealing what they can from successive schools of Greek and secular philosophy and science. But science is sneaking--its facts keep changing, sometimes at an evolutionary pace, sometimes through rapid paradigm shifts, often through a sort of dialectic with one school ahead and then another.

In short, religion does not survive the wash if it locks itself onto a claim to historical and scientific truth. History is a story men tell. Science is work that they do. Religion clings to prejudice and the past and tries to ride the power boats of science while retaining the myth of the Great Universal Flood and others.

Ha! Lots of luck. Nature doesn't care about your religion, your history, your science and your temporary understanding of her mysteries. All is entropy.
2014-02-16 03:32:46 PM
1 votes:
More birds die from getting sucked into jet engines, but I don't hear them crying about that
jvl
2014-02-16 03:30:37 PM
1 votes:

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: Yes, because other methods of power generation have zero environmental impact that might lead to wildlife deaths.


Compared to a Wind Farm, a big pit mine really doesn't kill wildlife.

Doesn't mean that Wind Farms are a bad idea, it just means that your point is wrong.
2014-02-16 03:26:03 PM
1 votes:
Fortunately I keep my feathers numbered for... for just such an emergency.
2014-02-16 03:23:43 PM
1 votes:
Well I'm convinced. I'm switching to coal!
2014-02-16 03:17:41 PM
1 votes:
Well at least they won't nest in there and mess up the place.
2014-02-16 02:51:06 PM
1 votes:
Animals is stupider since Noah's Ark because of inbreding.
 
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