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2014-02-16 11:52:56 PM  
ccundiff: This dude is owning you guys. Even after he states he gets his data from here  http://www.jir.com/, y'all keep biting.  (The print version of, but still the same thing)

Where would you get information about what that organization finds absurd enough to satirize, in this case the hearings results?
 
2014-02-17 01:01:14 AM  

SwiftFox: I'm frustrated by the idiocy of people assuming global climate change means disaster, or overall negative effects for mankind, which is as absurd as denying the increase in anthropogenic CO2 levels.  Prehistoric evidence indicates that warm periods have always been golden ages for those living then compared to cooler times before or after, an unalloyed boon to human survival, the development of agriculture, and civilization.

Still people pick out the likely fact that things will change and expect everyone to act as though Virginia orange juice and Iowa cotton and a Siberian breadbasket to the world would be horrible.


What is more frustrating is the idiocy of people who can't understand that it is not a warmer earth that will cause the problems, but the process of change towards that warmer world. It's really not that difficult to understand. The problem isn't that we couldn't live in a warmer world, the problem is the transition itself and the speed of the change.  The change isn't really smooth but comes with bumps.

Changing weather patterns will mean failed crops, because you can't really move the production of certain crops north or south until the situation is more stable. Most of the world's ecosystems are already under severe stress caused by humans with a lot of species close to extinction,they won't be able to cope with change like they could in days before our modern age . Equally, you can't move coastal cities inwards without great cost and preparation, and a lot of flooding will happen before countries even start doing, etc. etc.
 
2014-02-17 01:33:28 AM  

SwiftFox: OK, well, fine, if that is how you define someone who feels that the climate change is certain to happen.

What is your proposal for dealing with anthropogenic climate change, beyond your own denial that it is something that, since it will happen, should be adapted to and the benefits enjoyed as well as the detrimental effects mitigated?


So, how are you going prevent that countries that suddenly find themselves without water or food start attacking other countries? How are you going to pay for massive new infrastructure projects and movement of entire cities and countries, all over the world, towards other regions without putting the global economy in a crisis? How are you going to deal with massive cross border migration  around the world and all the political and cultural turmoil that will lead to? How are you going to prepare new lands for new forms of agriculture fast enough, and again where do you get the money without causing a global economic crisis? You can't borrow from China or Europe, because China and Europe will have even worse problems to deal with. How are you going to keep an already polluted and overfished sea from become completely dead and empty? How are you going to prevent further plant and animal extinction as their ways for migration is blocked by humans and their numbers are already fragile? How are you going to prevent, in the transitional period, that people make things work by depleting valuable farmland and aquifers?

I am sure we are going to manage somehow  and an adapt we start early enough, but to think that adaptation will be a piece of cake is incredibly moronic. And by saying it all won't be problem you are not really helping to get people started on preparing for it, aren't you?
 
2014-02-17 03:03:26 AM  

bikkurikun: SwiftFox: OK, well, fine, if that is how you define someone who feels that the climate change is certain to happen.

What is your proposal for dealing with anthropogenic climate change, beyond your own denial that it is something that, since it will happen, should be adapted to and the benefits enjoyed as well as the detrimental effects mitigated?

So, how are you going prevent that countries that suddenly find themselves without water or food start attacking other countries? How are you going to pay for massive new infrastructure projects and movement of entire cities and countries, all over the world, towards other regions without putting the global economy in a crisis? How are you going to deal with massive cross border migration  around the world and all the political and cultural turmoil that will lead to? How are you going to prepare new lands for new forms of agriculture fast enough, and again where do you get the money without causing a global economic crisis? You can't borrow from China or Europe, because China and Europe will have even worse problems to deal with. How are you going to keep an already polluted and overfished sea from become completely dead and empty? How are you going to prevent further plant and animal extinction as their ways for migration is blocked by humans and their numbers are already fragile? How are you going to prevent, in the transitional period, that people make things work by depleting valuable farmland and aquifers?

I am sure we are going to manage somehow  and an adapt we start early enough, but to think that adaptation will be a piece of cake is incredibly moronic. And by saying it all won't be problem you are not really helping to get people started on preparing for it, aren't you?


Oh, I'm not saying it won't be the proverbial Chinese "interesting times".  The problems you mention will no doubt be worse than they currently are where there is a lack of food, water, infrastructure, and so on.  About everything you mention the world has to deal with anyway, at least some places.

Maybe we can start by working at ways to solve those problems before the, what, century or so in which they will manifest, instead of pretending they won't occur if everyone gets on board and shakes a disapproving finger at reality and all non-finger-shakers. I'm sure there will be squealing just because President Obama approved the first billion dollars towards dealing with the fact instead of trying to magick it out of existence, like those who think even clean, low carbon impact energy production shouldn't be allowed because it "feeds the addiction" (which is rather like complaining allowing people to drink fluids feeds a troublesome water addiction).  There will still be some who would consider a few hundred cases of treatable thyroid cancer worldwide reason enough to abandon what is needed to save millions or billions of people.
 
2014-02-17 09:57:26 AM  
It is just a terrible shame that the 1% has to put up with all these dirty, clamoring humans.
W/o them, it would be a much nicer world.
 
2014-02-17 10:43:45 AM  

Notabunny: HighZoolander: But, but, I heard from people who hate Al Gore as the inventor of climate that the ever-changing climate can't change now!

I blame Al Gore. If he'd won the vote, we'd be doing something about this.


Yes: wasting a lot of money on a complete lie.  The irony is that this lie was constructed to do two things:

1.  Make money for corporations
2.  Accrue political capital for the left

If the right engaged in this behavior, even on the same topic, the left would scream bloody murder about greedy capitalists and political shenanigans.  But because the left packaged their lie in the bubble wrap known as the environment, that makes it ok.
 
2014-02-17 10:48:51 AM  

Scattershot: Yes: wasting a lot of money on a complete lie. The irony is that this lie was constructed to do two things:

1. Make money for corporations
2. Accrue political capital for the left

If the right engaged in this behavior, even on the same topic, the left would scream bloody murder about greedy capitalists and political shenanigans. But because the left packaged their lie in the bubble wrap known as the environment, that makes it ok.


So you are saying that scientists from around the world are involved in a grand conspiracy to help an American political party? And you actually believe this?? Seriously, you are so blinded by your politics that this actually seems like a reasonable position to take?
 
2014-02-17 12:33:59 PM  

Farking Canuck: Scattershot: Yes: wasting a lot of money on a complete lie. The irony is that this lie was constructed to do two things:

1. Make money for corporations
2. Accrue political capital for the left

If the right engaged in this behavior, even on the same topic, the left would scream bloody murder about greedy capitalists and political shenanigans. But because the left packaged their lie in the bubble wrap known as the environment, that makes it ok.

So you are saying that scientists from around the world are involved in a grand conspiracy to help an American political party? And you actually believe this?? Seriously, you are so blinded by your politics that this actually seems like a reasonable position to take?


Don't forget, said conspiracy started in the 1800's. It's the Illuminati man.
 
2014-02-17 01:02:29 PM  

Scattershot: Notabunny: HighZoolander: But, but, I heard from people who hate Al Gore as the inventor of climate that the ever-changing climate can't change now!

I blame Al Gore. If he'd won the vote, we'd be doing something about this.

Yes: wasting a lot of money on a complete lie.  The irony is that this lie was constructed to do two things:

1.  Make money for corporations
2.  Accrue political capital for the left

If the right engaged in this behavior, even on the same topic, the left would scream bloody murder about greedy capitalists and political shenanigans.  But because the left packaged their lie in the bubble wrap known as the environment, that makes it ok.


Sociopathic, narcissistic, Machiavellian troll thread is over there.
 
2014-02-17 05:35:32 PM  
Neither "the Left" or "the Right" give a crap about you, the citizen.

We are getting tag teamed by them and have been for a long long time now.

The facts are.... they will say and do anything to achieve what they want, and that is absolute control over everything that happens.

Yes, they want everything hooked up to smart technology that would allow them to shut off or limit energy use down to the single outlet or light fixture... they want to be able to regulate neighborhoods, towns, cities, regions.

Yes they want satellites and drones filling the skies taking real time video of everything and storing it in a central database, they want to record every human interaction and store it so that they can apply a highly advanced search engine to it.

Watch lists, video cameras on telephone poles, video cameras in your house, in your bathroom, watching you wank off. They want to know what turns you on and off.

All of this is part of the grand master plan, and in order to do that, they have to convince the American public to accept all of their lies first. The reason why is our Constitution was designed to preserve individual freedom.

So, little by little they tag team back and forth and chip away at it. Meanwhile the less aware of us, argue with each other, fling poop and find any reason we can to fill our lives up with hatred of our neighbor who we are all so certain is the reason for all of our problems in life.

Anyway, continue on.
 
2014-02-17 07:02:41 PM  

MagicMissile: Neither "the Left" or "the Right" give a crap about you, the citizen.

We are getting tag teamed by them and have been for a long long time now.

The facts are.... they will say and do anything to achieve what they want, and that is absolute control over everything that happens.

Yes, they want everything hooked up to smart technology that would allow them to shut off or limit energy use down to the single outlet or light fixture... they want to be able to regulate neighborhoods, towns, cities, regions.

Yes they want satellites and drones filling the skies taking real time video of everything and storing it in a central database, they want to record every human interaction and store it so that they can apply a highly advanced search engine to it.

Watch lists, video cameras on telephone poles, video cameras in your house, in your bathroom, watching you wank off. They want to know what turns you on and off.

All of this is part of the grand master plan, and in order to do that, they have to convince the American public to accept all of their lies first. The reason why is our Constitution was designed to preserve individual freedom.

So, little by little they tag team back and forth and chip away at it. Meanwhile the less aware of us, argue with each other, fling poop and find any reason we can to fill our lives up with hatred of our neighbor who we are all so certain is the reason for all of our problems in life.

Anyway, continue on.


Is it safe to say that this is what you would do if you were in power and that is why you're projecting this paranoid fantasy on to the existing government?
 
2014-02-17 07:43:23 PM  

Farking Canuck: MagicMissile: Neither "the Left" or "the Right" give a crap about you, the citizen.

We are getting tag teamed by them and have been for a long long time now.

The facts are.... they will say and do anything to achieve what they want, and that is absolute control over everything that happens.

Yes, they want everything hooked up to smart technology that would allow them to shut off or limit energy use down to the single outlet or light fixture... they want to be able to regulate neighborhoods, towns, cities, regions.

Yes they want satellites and drones filling the skies taking real time video of everything and storing it in a central database, they want to record every human interaction and store it so that they can apply a highly advanced search engine to it.

Watch lists, video cameras on telephone poles, video cameras in your house, in your bathroom, watching you wank off. They want to know what turns you on and off.

All of this is part of the grand master plan, and in order to do that, they have to convince the American public to accept all of their lies first. The reason why is our Constitution was designed to preserve individual freedom.

So, little by little they tag team back and forth and chip away at it. Meanwhile the less aware of us, argue with each other, fling poop and find any reason we can to fill our lives up with hatred of our neighbor who we are all so certain is the reason for all of our problems in life.

Anyway, continue on.

Is it safe to say that this is what you would do if you were in power and that is why you're projecting this paranoid fantasy on to the existing government?


Whats odd is that people like you keep saying "You're Paranoid!"  "You're Paranoid!" and then our government comes out and is like " eh guys... not really paranoid actually, we really are doing all of this sort of thing"

What I don't get is how while evidence keeps mounting to support my argument, people like you keep your heads buried firmly in the sand. What are you afraid of?
 
2014-02-17 08:11:31 PM  

MagicMissile: Whats odd is that people like you keep saying "You're Paranoid!" "You're Paranoid!" and then our government comes out and is like " eh guys... not really paranoid actually, we really are doing all of this sort of thing"

What I don't get is how while evidence keeps mounting to support my argument, people like you keep your heads buried firmly in the sand. What are you afraid of?


Nobody is saying that there are not departments in the government that feel that they can better defend the country if they have more surveillance powers. They are probably right that they could be more effective if they knew everything.

Then again, I and many others feel that their curtailing of citizen's rights are not justified by the actual danger. To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, "Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither."

My issue with you and those like you is not that you oppose the very real things like NSA surveillance, It is that you add in paranoid delusions of great conspiracies across all government parties. That all members of government are so evil that they willingly participate in these conspiracies and none break their silence.

There are enough evil people out there attempting to screw us over for their own gains ... we do not need you preaching about your fantasy Dr. Evil organizations.
 
2014-02-17 08:17:04 PM  

SVenus: Charlie Freak: I went back and did some rough (anecdotal, really) analysis using weather station plots from the last thirty years or so of winters and I could not find a prolonged, stationary setup like this. And certainly not twice within 12 months.

What do you get for 1993-1994? Nothing similar?


Sure, there have been deep, prolonged cold snaps, but nothing this widespread with this amplitude and frequency.

Today was the first day without a below-zero temp since Jan 19th and the eighth overall since Dec 6th. Unreal cold. Smaller towns around here are asking residents to run their taps so the underground pipes don't freeze, the frost level is that low. Nobody can remember that ever happening.
 
2014-02-17 08:31:13 PM  

MagicMissile: Neither "the Left" or "the Right" give a crap about you, the citizen.

We are getting tag teamed by them and have been for a long long time now.

The facts are.... they will say and do anything to achieve what they want, and that is absolute control over everything that happens.

Yes, they want everything hooked up to smart technology that would allow them to shut off or limit energy use down to the single outlet or light fixture... they want to be able to regulate neighborhoods, towns, cities, regions.

Yes they want satellites and drones filling the skies taking real time video of everything and storing it in a central database, they want to record every human interaction and store it so that they can apply a highly advanced search engine to it.

Watch lists, video cameras on telephone poles, video cameras in your house, in your bathroom, watching you wank off. They want to know what turns you on and off.

All of this is part of the grand master plan, and in order to do that, they have to convince the American public to accept all of their lies first. The reason why is our Constitution was designed to preserve individual freedom.

So, little by little they tag team back and forth and chip away at it. Meanwhile the less aware of us, argue with each other, fling poop and find any reason we can to fill our lives up with hatred of our neighbor who we are all so certain is the reason for all of our problems in life.

Anyway, continue on.


So when did the government go from the noblest of the noble framers of the constitution, to the current evil geniuses who just want to watch *you* masturbate?
 
2014-02-17 11:08:32 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Naesen:

I'm a "northerner" who just moved to Florida, and am looking to make friends. You near the Tampa area?

I'm a couple hours south of you.


Rats. Oh well, was working during the Arlington Fark Party, maybe we'll have a local one.
 
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