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2014-02-16 10:30:37 AM  
In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.
 
2014-02-16 10:32:54 AM  
What, no pr0n and no beheading videos?  You guys are no fun, anymore!
 
2014-02-16 10:37:49 AM  
You don't need a browser extension to turn off the filter. You just say "no thanks" to your ISP. I got a new phone recently was able to turn it off online in about one minute - they even paid me doing it (they charged £1 to my credit card as proof-of-age, and knocked £2.50 off my bill as an act of good faith)
 
2014-02-16 10:38:47 AM  

Fabric_Man: In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.


Which ones?  Got a cit?
 
2014-02-16 10:40:56 AM  

Callous: Fabric_Man: In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.

Which ones?  Got a cit?


It's coming.
 
2014-02-16 10:41:10 AM  
David Cameron is the reason Obama is to blame for everything.

And, is a twit.
 
2014-02-16 10:44:37 AM  

GoldSpider: Callous: Fabric_Man: In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.

Which ones?  Got a cit?

It's coming.


So in other words no one?
 
2014-02-16 10:45:11 AM  
"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas."

- Joseph Stalin
 
2014-02-16 10:46:38 AM  

gwowen: You don't need a browser extension to turn off the filter. You just say "no thanks" to your ISP. I got a new phone recently was able to turn it off online in about one minute - they even paid me doing it (they charged £1 to my credit card as proof-of-age, and knocked £2.50 off my bill as an act of good faith)


welcome to the watchlist of paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers. Enjoy the knowledge that you just signed up for access to paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficing sites that were banned to protect ALL the childrens, all your personal information will now be open to the public as soon as the daily mail hacks the database of people who have opted to be monitored as requiring access to paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers informations.

Sleep tight.
 
2014-02-16 10:46:41 AM  

Callous: Fabric_Man: In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.

Which ones?  Got a cit?


there are reports of comcast and verizon throttling netflix
 
2014-02-16 10:47:46 AM  
Can't let people see reality.  That would be too much for them, it would seem.

The problem with lawmakers - everywhere in the world, not just US or UK - is that their job is full-time.  So that's what they do all day long - make laws.  If lawmaking was a part-time job on an as-needed basis, you wouldn't have so many stupid laws in this world.
 
2014-02-16 10:48:46 AM  
Guys, it isn't our place to criticize the UK for this. I have been told that they are vastly more enlightened than we are. We should probably follow suit and finally join the first world.
 
2014-02-16 10:49:10 AM  

uttertosh: gwowen: You don't need a browser extension to turn off the filter. You just say "no thanks" to your ISP. I got a new phone recently was able to turn it off online in about one minute - they even paid me doing it (they charged £1 to my credit card as proof-of-age, and knocked £2.50 off my bill as an act of good faith)

welcome to the watchlist of paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers. Enjoy the knowledge that you just signed up for access to paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficing sites that were banned to protect ALL the childrens, all your personal information will now be open to the public as soon as the daily mail hacks the database of people who have opted to be monitored as requiring access to paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers informations.

Sleep tight.


Thank you www.tinfoilhat.com. I suspect there's only one government with a pervasive database on my web browsing usage, and it isn't British.
 
2014-02-16 10:49:32 AM  

Bmorrison: Callous: Fabric_Man: In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.

Which ones?  Got a cit?

there are reports of comcast and verizon throttling netflix


While throttling is bad, it isn't outright BLOCKING.  I know the nanny state meme is long in the tooth, but goddamn, UK.  You used to be cool.  Whatever happened to "We have nothing to fear but fear itself!"?
 
2014-02-16 10:49:37 AM  

Bmorrison: Callous: Fabric_Man: In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.

Which ones?  Got a cit?

there are reports of comcast and verizon throttling netflix


Not the same as blocking it completely.  Not even close.
 
2014-02-16 10:50:28 AM  

kriegsgeist: "Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas."

- Joseph Stalin


It's nice because we were all thinking it.
 
2014-02-16 10:51:04 AM  

uttertosh: gwowen: You don't need a browser extension to turn off the filter. You just say "no thanks" to your ISP. I got a new phone recently was able to turn it off online in about one minute - they even paid me doing it (they charged £1 to my credit card as proof-of-age, and knocked £2.50 off my bill as an act of good faith)

welcome to the watchlist of paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers.


Couldn't they have put you on a watchlist before this, for going to the sites in the first place?
 
2014-02-16 10:52:26 AM  

Callous: So in other words no one?


Despite the court rulings in this direction, will you only start to be concerned when it's already happening and too late?
 
2014-02-16 10:52:28 AM  
You used to be so cool, Ol Blighter. What the hell happened to you?
 
2014-02-16 10:52:43 AM  
What happened to you, Britain?  You used to be cool.
 
2014-02-16 10:54:55 AM  

gwowen: uttertosh: gwowen: You don't need a browser extension to turn off the filter. You just say "no thanks" to your ISP. I got a new phone recently was able to turn it off online in about one minute - they even paid me doing it (they charged £1 to my credit card as proof-of-age, and knocked £2.50 off my bill as an act of good faith)

welcome to the watchlist of paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers. Enjoy the knowledge that you just signed up for access to paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficing sites that were banned to protect ALL the childrens, all your personal information will now be open to the public as soon as the daily mail hacks the database of people who have opted to be monitored as requiring access to paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers informations.

Sleep tight.

Thank you www.tinfoilhat.com. I suspect there's only one government with a pervasive database on my web browsing usage, and it isn't British.



The idea of this being ISP mandated, and having to be switched off, rings no alarms with you? You requested full access for all the information that was switched off by LAW to prevent children from being harmed, and you think this won't ever have any chance of turning sour for you at any point in any way possible?
 
2014-02-16 10:55:17 AM  

gwowen: You don't need a browser extension to turn off the filter. You just say "no thanks" to your ISP. I got a new phone recently was able to turn it off online in about one minute - they even paid me doing it (they charged £1 to my credit card as proof-of-age, and knocked £2.50 off my bill as an act of good faith)


And now we know who is watching the bad stuff.
 
2014-02-16 10:58:39 AM  

somemoron: Bmorrison: Callous: Fabric_Man: In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.

Which ones?  Got a cit?

there are reports of comcast and verizon throttling netflix

While throttling is bad, it isn't outright BLOCKING.  I know the nanny state meme is long in the tooth, but goddamn, UK.  You used to be cool.  Whatever happened to "We have nothing to fear but fear itself!"?


ITS OPTIONAL!!

The only thing ISPs must do id offer you a choice. There's at least one (A&A) that - if you attempt to opt-in - tells you to find another ISP ("maybe one in North Korea") and let's you cancel your contract.

It's not outright blocked f you can turn it off at any time.

(FWIW: there's a non-optional list run by the IWF that deals exclusively with images of child sexual abuse - and I'm ok with that)
 
2014-02-16 11:01:02 AM  

Xcott: uttertosh: gwowen: You don't need a browser extension to turn off the filter. You just say "no thanks" to your ISP. I got a new phone recently was able to turn it off online in about one minute - they even paid me doing it (they charged £1 to my credit card as proof-of-age, and knocked £2.50 off my bill as an act of good faith)

welcome to the watchlist of paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers.

Couldn't they have put you on a watchlist before this, for going to the sites in the first place?


Yeas... But now you are lumped into that category for wanting to simply masturbate to a picture of a naked woman, because: paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers. Why? Because to regain access to 'boobies' you need to ask for the whole lot: 'boobies' + paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers

Totes fairfair, ja?
 
2014-02-16 11:05:01 AM  

badhatharry: gwowen: You don't need a browser extension to turn off the filter. You just say "no thanks" to your ISP. I got a new phone recently was able to turn it off online in about one minute - they even paid me doing it (they charged £1 to my credit card as proof-of-age, and knocked £2.50 off my bill as an act of good faith)

And now we know who is watching the bad stuff.


Like the NSA don't know that about you...
 
2014-02-16 11:05:43 AM  

Fabric_Man: In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.


Clinton and Obama have expressed a desire to have this ability as well though.  That is what the arrest over the youtube video was really about. Don't worry. It will be for our own good and the Total Fark left will applaud them.
 
2014-02-16 11:06:26 AM  

gwowen: ITS OPTIONAL!


with the other option being that you put yourself on the list of people that wish access to EVERYTHING, including paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficer websites - now don't you look suspicious?

FFFFFUUUUUUU

Ok, gwowen, answer me this - are you one of these pople that think it's the parent's job to monitor what their kids see/do on the internet?

Or, are you a paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficer?

The evidence is starting to stack up on the latter.
 
rpm
2014-02-16 11:07:02 AM  

gwowen: (FWIW: there's a non-optional list run by the IWF that deals exclusively with images of child sexual abuse - and I'm ok with that)


Yeah, that works just peachy keen
 
2014-02-16 11:07:18 AM  

gwowen: badhatharry: gwowen: You don't need a browser extension to turn off the filter. You just say "no thanks" to your ISP. I got a new phone recently was able to turn it off online in about one minute - they even paid me doing it (they charged £1 to my credit card as proof-of-age, and knocked £2.50 off my bill as an act of good faith)

And now we know who is watching the bad stuff.

Like the NSA don't know that about you...


The difference is that what they are doing is illegal.
 
2014-02-16 11:07:25 AM  

somemoron: While throttling is bad, it isn't outright BLOCKING.  I know the nanny state meme is long in the tooth, but goddamn, UK.  You used to be cool.  Whatever happened to "We have nothing to fear but fear itself!"?


*narrows eyes*

... not sure if intentionally trolling or genuinely failed middle-school history that badly.
 
2014-02-16 11:07:28 AM  

GoldSpider: Callous: Fabric_Man: In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.

Which ones?  Got a cit?

It's coming.


In other words, "trust me", the same thing the government says when it tries to justify things.
 
2014-02-16 11:09:43 AM  

uttertosh: gwowen: uttertosh: gwowen: You don't need a browser extension to turn off the filter. You just say "no thanks" to your ISP. I got a new phone recently was able to turn it off online in about one minute - they even paid me doing it (they charged £1 to my credit card as proof-of-age, and knocked £2.50 off my bill as an act of good faith)

welcome to the watchlist of paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers. Enjoy the knowledge that you just signed up for access to paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficing sites that were banned to protect ALL the childrens, all your personal information will now be open to the public as soon as the daily mail hacks the database of people who have opted to be monitored as requiring access to paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers informations.

Sleep tight.

Thank you www.tinfoilhat.com. I suspect there's only one government with a pervasive database on my web browsing usage, and it isn't British.


The idea of this being ISP mandated, and having to be switched off, rings no alarms with you? You requested full access for all the information that was switched off by LAW to prevent children from being harmed, and you think this won't ever have any chance of turning sour for you at any point in any way possible?


I'll take logical fallacies for $500, please Alex. "What is a slippery slope fallacy?"

I went to the "parental controls" web page and clicked "none". I'm 99.9999652% certain this will have absolutely no bearing on anything that happens to me for the rest of my life.
 
2014-02-16 11:10:50 AM  

jjorsett: In other words, "trust me", the same thing the government says when it tries to justify things.


Corporations always do what is in their best interests to the extent the law allows them.  I don't see why anyone would believe this issue would be the exception.
 
2014-02-16 11:11:22 AM  
The only thing that kept the Western world malarkey farm open for business was the control and limited means of exchanging ideas, data and discussion and access thereto.  See - Eastern World malarkey farm.  Why do you think all the clampdown fandango since 9/11?  For our "freedoms"?  Grow up.  The emperor's ass is hanging out and people are getting less interested in what happened on their favorite TeeVee show last week and more interested in the fact that something stinks and they're exchanging ideas about it.  So be a good democratic west citizen, buy some DVD box sets, f*ck around with your iPhone for a bit and eat at a corporate fast food place in your best NASCAR T-Shirt.  Ha ha.
 
2014-02-16 11:13:00 AM  

uttertosh: Xcott: uttertosh: gwowen: You don't need a browser extension to turn off the filter. You just say "no thanks" to your ISP. I got a new phone recently was able to turn it off online in about one minute - they even paid me doing it (they charged £1 to my credit card as proof-of-age, and knocked £2.50 off my bill as an act of good faith)

welcome to the watchlist of paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers.

Couldn't they have put you on a watchlist before this, for going to the sites in the first place?

Yeas... But now you are lumped into that category for wanting to simply masturbate to a picture of a naked woman, because: paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers. Why? Because to regain access to 'boobies' you need to ask for the whole lot: 'boobies' + paedoterroristdrugdealingpeopletrafficers

Totes fairfair, ja?


From what I understand, which isn't much, the system works by filtering all Internet traffic through a single source.

Dies that sound like a good idea?
 
2014-02-16 11:14:02 AM  
Dont worry its not Fascism when lefty modern europeans do it.
 
2014-02-16 11:14:07 AM  
UK's infamous Home Office.  Just what Orwell was warning us of.
Of course, the majority of those of voting age are looking forward to the next weekend's drinking binge, the next football match, or what are the latest shenanigans the Royal Family is up to.

The government is just a bunch of boring old suits living in constant fear of imaginary bogeymen.

And these "seat warmers" supposedly in charge of things keep looking for more inventive ways to placate their paranoid fears.
 
2014-02-16 11:15:58 AM  

Oldiron_79: Dont worry its not Fascism when lefty modern europeans do it.


Lefty?

Ha ha ha ha ha. You know nothing about British politics.
 
2014-02-16 11:16:22 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: The government is just a bunch of boring old suits living in constant fear of imaginary bogeymen.


When they're not helping banks dismantle entire economic sectors, that is.
 
2014-02-16 11:19:46 AM  

somemoron: Bmorrison: Callous: Fabric_Man: In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.

Which ones?  Got a cit?

there are reports of comcast and verizon throttling netflix

While throttling is bad, it isn't outright BLOCKING.  I know the nanny state meme is long in the tooth, but goddamn, UK.  You used to be cool.  Whatever happened to "We have nothing to fear but fear itself!"?


Orwell foresaw stuff like this back in 1949. It's surprising how some pop entertainment media saw how governments would act in the future. Things like The Conversation and Three Days of the Condor showing how far governments would go in their actions.
 
2014-02-16 11:23:26 AM  
Has anyone mentioned yet how the UK used to be cool?
 
2014-02-16 11:23:46 AM  
 
2014-02-16 11:24:11 AM  
All this crap, every last vaguely "oh noes", (cue the "oh, relax, you Orwellian dipwads" eye rollers) news blurb like it all symptomatic.  It's not the disease, it's another bubole.  It's a fresh lesion.  Just keep stepping back from the cliff and you will see a rather graceless and elephantine ballet of what looks like apes robbing a furniture store.  The west as you know it closing up shop, y'all.  Oh, yeh heh hess it is.
 
2014-02-16 11:27:53 AM  
Thanks subby, now I have a Depeche Mode song stuck in my head.
 
2014-02-16 11:28:02 AM  
I've just checked my ISP and - since these filters operate by agreement of the big ISPs rather than legislation - my ISP does not even implement the opt-in system. They just say "if you wasn't parental controls, we'll get a customer service wonk to show you how to setup OpenDNS on your router."
 
2014-02-16 11:29:14 AM  

bunner: All this crap, every last vaguely "oh noes", (cue the "oh, relax, you Orwellian dipwads" eye rollers) news blurb like it all symptomatic.  It's not the disease, it's another bubole.  It's a fresh lesion.  Just keep stepping back from the cliff and you will see a rather graceless and elephantine ballet of what looks like apes robbing a furniture store.  The west as you know it closing up shop, y'all.  Oh, yeh heh hess it is.


In English, please.
 
2014-02-16 11:29:24 AM  

gwowen: Oldiron_79: Dont worry its not Fascism when lefty modern europeans do it.

Lefty?

Ha ha ha ha ha. You know nothing about British politics.


Like everything else in life, it's all relative.
 
2014-02-16 11:31:00 AM  

Nemo's Brother: Fabric_Man: In the UK and Australia, the government implements filters to block things they don't like.
In the US, private companies implement filters to block things they don't like.

Clinton and Obama have expressed a desire to have this ability as well though.  That is what the arrest over the youtube video was really about. Don't worry. It will be for our own good and the Total Fark left will applaud them.


Obama doesn't want a filter, he has a kill-switch to shut the whole damn thing off completely or take it over completely.
 
2014-02-16 11:32:05 AM  

gwowen: bunner: All this crap, every last vaguely "oh noes", (cue the "oh, relax, you Orwellian dipwads" eye rollers) news blurb like it all symptomatic.  It's not the disease, it's another bubole.  It's a fresh lesion.  Just keep stepping back from the cliff and you will see a rather graceless and elephantine ballet of what looks like apes robbing a furniture store.  The west as you know it closing up shop, y'all.  Oh, yeh heh hess it is.

In English, please.


Person of color, I beseech thee.
 
2014-02-16 11:37:33 AM  
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