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(AZCentral)   The F-35, a testament to military procurement: overbudget, behind schedule, unable to fly full throttle, within 25 miles of lightning, or with weapons. Now with sensor helmet allowing pilot to look between his legs and see the ass he can kiss goodbye   (azcentral.com) divider line 154
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2014-02-16 09:59:08 AM  
If we had only cut food stamps a little more....when will we ever learn?
 
2014-02-16 09:59:24 AM  
Yes, but at least the money went to hard working job creators who create jobs with hard work.
 
2014-02-16 10:00:33 AM  
Arizona will be home to two F-35 installations

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-02-16 10:01:37 AM  
Yeah, but it's devastating up against a MiG 21.  You know, if it has weapons at the time.
 
2014-02-16 10:01:46 AM  
Maybe if we hadn't wasted all that money on Solyndra it would be working now. Did you ever think of that?

/don't yell, i'm heading for the time-out chair
 
2014-02-16 10:02:52 AM  
Cadillacs aren't smooth and stable, they handle like rowboats.
 
2014-02-16 10:04:54 AM  
We don't really need these, do we?

Let's just scrap this and build a squadron or three of the A-10B NAW variant.

www.tankkiller.com
 
2014-02-16 10:04:59 AM  
Oh yeah, well...
yearone.cinema52.com
Yeah.  How do you react to such a devastating comeback?  No one can defeat "The Bite".
 
2014-02-16 10:14:00 AM  

lifeboat: Yeah, but it's devastating up against a MiG 21.  You know, if it has weapons at the time.


Well, it might be able to ram it

/if it can catch up to it
 
2014-02-16 10:15:28 AM  
Coming soon to project management textbooks as a bad example, hopefully.
 
2014-02-16 10:15:36 AM  
$392 billion....$392 billion? Holy crap. What else is there to say? $392 billion for an airplane.
 
2014-02-16 10:15:42 AM  
The only country in the world with the capability of invading the united states, is the united states.
 
2014-02-16 10:16:00 AM  

FoxholeAtheist: We don't really need these, do we?

Let's just scrap this and build a squadron or three of the A-10B NAW variant.

[www.tankkiller.com image 700x465]


Hellfires are cheaper.
 
2014-02-16 10:19:17 AM  
look, sure we have absolutely no need for this. and we have more important priorities as a nation. but hey, I like model trains, do they serve any useful purpose what so ever? no. should have I put that money away to secure my future? sure.
but sometimes it's just fun to piss your money away on cool things you can just sit back and look at.
 
2014-02-16 10:19:36 AM  

Test pilots. Either have them or get them!



www.gearboxsoftware.com
 
2014-02-16 10:19:50 AM  

AgentPothead: The only country in the world with the capability of invading the united states, is the united states.


Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade.
 
2014-02-16 10:19:52 AM  
The 1% want it.  Done deal.  You are however free to whine about it.
 
2014-02-16 10:20:22 AM  
People shat their pants when I tell them the Government wastes too much money on military expenditures.  They seem to think a Veteran would support rampant spending FOR TEH FREEDOMS!!!
 
2014-02-16 10:23:04 AM  
I love how we can give away untold billions on weapons projects 'because it helps the economy', but building infrastructure or just, um, giving the money to people who can then buy immediate goods and services is the worst thing ever.
 
2014-02-16 10:25:48 AM  
By comparison, NASA's budget for 2014 is only a little over 17 billion.

I'm all for creating tech jobs and maintaining America's technological edge, etc., but can't we do all of that and have something useful to show for it at the end of the day?  Advanced clean energy technology, anyone?
 
2014-02-16 10:26:13 AM  

MFAWG: Arizona will be home to two F-35 installations

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]


And this is why John McCain will never be voted out.  He brings home the bacon.
 
2014-02-16 10:26:59 AM  

mutterfark: Maybe if we hadn't wasted all that money on Solyndra it would be working now. Did you ever think of that?

/don't yell, i'm heading for the time-out chair


And they could have been in the air over Benghazi!
 
2014-02-16 10:27:51 AM  

indarwinsshadow: $392 billion....$392 billion? Holy crap. What else is there to say? $392 billion for an airplane.


I actually missed the 'B' on that word until I saw your post. I literally just glossed right over it. "300 some odd -illions, yeah yeah..."

Goddamn that's a shiatload of money. I appreciate all the posts in this thread about cutting food stamps and etc. Came here to say basically that, but it's been covered, so I'll move on.
 
2014-02-16 10:31:11 AM  
I love how the guy from Lockheed is gushing about how much money has been "saved"...What is wrong with the A-10 again? Well, other than they destroyed the tooling for it. Dumbasses...good luck getting that again.
 
2014-02-16 10:31:30 AM  

99.998er: Test pilots. Either have them or get them!

[www.gearboxsoftware.com image 450x210]


What do test pilots need with ben wa balls
 
2014-02-16 10:32:34 AM  
 It's not a coincident that as the middle class dwindles the brain trust follows closely. We're currently relying on other countries heavily for not only engineers, comp scientist, and other valuable R&D folk but also the professors who train them. Just about every Math (specially theory) instructor I've had has been Indian (which I'm cool with; in fact grateful) because, I believe they  have a growing middle class capable of completing higher  education. If we keep choking off our middle class  and allowing the cost of education to rise the difference will be too much to fill and we'll get to a point where we won't even be able to draw the educated from other countries.  It's all just a downward spiral from there.  Best option would be to make college, or really education in general, more available and less expensive.
 
2014-02-16 10:32:39 AM  
Everything the military has ever procured has been behind schedule, overbudget and unable to perform.

M1 Abrams:  Failure
M2/.3 Bradley:  Failure
M-16 rifle:  Failure
F22:  Failure
Sidewinder missile:  Failure
Aegis Radar:  Failure
AH-64 Apache:  Failure
F4 Phantom:  Failure
B2 Bomber:  Failure
HMMWV:  Failure
F15 Eagle:  Failure

And yet, somehow all of these weapons have ended up being used successfully for many years. , ,  Go figure.
 
2014-02-16 10:33:47 AM  

FlippityFlap: I love how the guy from Lockheed is gushing about how much money has been "saved"...What is wrong with the A-10 again? Well, other than they destroyed the tooling for it. Dumbasses...good luck getting that again.


It didn't cost as much, therefore not as much money was going into defense contractor pockets.
 
2014-02-16 10:34:06 AM  

FoxholeAtheist: We don't really need these, do we?

Let's just scrap this and build a squadron or three of the A-10B NAW variant.

[www.tankkiller.com image 700x465]


Testify! I love these planes. My Air Force for life uncle talks about them all the time. He was stationed in Myrtle Beach back in the day, and he would go out to Palmetto Firing Range in Sumter SC to "watch the Hogs feed."


[/CSB]

/We should go with battlefield proven tech like the A10.
//Because there will never be a "one size fits all" super aircraft.
 
2014-02-16 10:37:38 AM  

Kaeishiwaza: Everything the military has ever procured has been behind schedule, overbudget and unable to perform.

M1 Abrams:  Failure
M2/.3 Bradley:  Failure
M-16 rifle:  Failure
F22:  Failure
Sidewinder missile:  Failure
Aegis Radar:  Failure
AH-64 Apache:  Failure
F4 Phantom:  Failure
B2 Bomber:  Failure
HMMWV:  Failure
F15 Eagle:  Failure

And yet, somehow all of these weapons have ended up being used successfully for many years. , ,  Go figure.


Care to explain? The m1a and sidewinder for example seem to perform pretty well...
 
2014-02-16 10:38:24 AM  
Damn you, subby. I was drinking a swig from my coffee cup when I read the last line in your headline. That was close!
 
2014-02-16 10:40:10 AM  

MFAWG: Arizona will be home to two F-35 installations

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]


McCain's face is saying what McCain is thinking, "Boy oh boy, if only I were still a Navy pilot and I had the chance to crash, er fly one of those puppies."
 
2014-02-16 10:43:13 AM  

Kaeishiwaza: Everything the military has ever procured has been behind schedule, overbudget and unable to perform.

M1 Abrams:  Failure
M2/.3 Bradley:  Failure
M-16 rifle:  Failure
F22:  Failure
Sidewinder missile:  Failure
Aegis Radar:  Failure
AH-64 Apache:  Failure
F4 Phantom:  Failure
B2 Bomber:  Failure
HMMWV:  Failure
F15 Eagle:  Failure

And yet, somehow all of these weapons have ended up being used successfully for many years. , ,  Go figure.


Well, one of the metrics of 'success as a weapon' involves actually being used in combat.  Go figure that.
 
2014-02-16 10:43:40 AM  
With drone tech, piloted planes are going to become harder and harder to justify the massive $ they incur.
 
2014-02-16 10:45:58 AM  

FlippityFlap: I love how the guy from Lockheed is gushing about how much money has been "saved"...What is wrong with the A-10 again? Well, other than they destroyed the tooling for it. Dumbasses...good luck getting that again.


The a10s were amde largely at the fairchild palnt in Hagerstown MD. We have plenty of folks with skills who would LOVE to make some more.
 
2014-02-16 10:47:27 AM  

Kaeishiwaza: Everything the military has ever procured has been behind schedule, overbudget and unable to perform.

M1 Abrams:  Failure
M2/.3 Bradley:  Failure
M-16 rifle:  Failure
F22:  Failure
Sidewinder missile:  Failure
Aegis Radar:  Failure
AH-64 Apache:  Failure
F4 Phantom:  Failure
B2 Bomber:  Failure
HMMWV:  Failure
F15 Eagle:  Failure

And yet, somehow all of these weapons have ended up being used successfully for many years. , ,  Go figure.


You forgot the B1
 
2014-02-16 10:48:40 AM  

Prey4reign: MFAWG: Arizona will be home to two F-35 installations

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]

McCain's face is saying what McCain is thinking, "Boy oh boy, if only I were still a Navy pilot and I had the chance to crash, er fly one of those puppies."


"I've flown a hundred seventy eight missions, and was shot down on every one. Come to think of it I've never landed a plane in my life"

/Obscure.
 
2014-02-16 10:49:34 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: With drone tech, piloted planes are going to become harder and harder to justify the massive $ they incur.


When was the last time you could justify anything relating to the military in purchase or in action?
 
2014-02-16 10:49:55 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: With drone tech, piloted planes are going to become harder and harder to justify the massive $ they incur.


Which is accomplished by reminding people that children of retired admirals with less than impressive performance at the academy need flashy and high profile military jobs through which to launch their political careers.
 
2014-02-16 10:49:57 AM  
Seriously.  Watch this.  It's a comedy, but the underlying facts are mostly true.


www.dvd-covers.org
 
2014-02-16 10:52:19 AM  

Kaeishiwaza: Everything the military has ever procured has been behind schedule, overbudget and unable to perform.

M1 Abrams:  Failure
M2/.3 Bradley:  Failure
M-16 rifle:  Failure
F22:  Failure
Sidewinder missile:  Failure
Aegis Radar:  Failure
AH-64 Apache:  Failure
F4 Phantom:  Failure
B2 Bomber:  Failure
HMMWV:  Failure
F15 Eagle:  Failure

And yet, somehow all of these weapons have ended up being used successfully for many years. , ,  Go figure.


The arms industry lobbyists have shown up!
 
2014-02-16 10:53:48 AM  
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I love how we can give away untold billions on weapons projects 'because it helps the economy', but building infrastructure or just, um, giving the money to people who can then buy immediate goods and services is the worst thing ever.

Defending our freedom should always come first!

/ i kid
// I'm sure most of the GOP...and far too many Democrats think like this, however...
 
2014-02-16 10:55:29 AM  
In case we have to take on the whole world.
www.ritholtz.com
 
2014-02-16 10:58:50 AM  

fireclown: FlippityFlap: I love how the guy from Lockheed is gushing about how much money has been "saved"...What is wrong with the A-10 again? Well, other than they destroyed the tooling for it. Dumbasses...good luck getting that again.

The a10s were amde largely at the fairchild palnt in Hagerstown MD. We have plenty of folks with skills who would LOVE to make some more.


The A10 is one of the dumbest plane ever built. They spent all the development money to make it a jet when it should have been a turbo prop. I spent years on that program updating the avionics. I have also been on the B1 program and spent the last 22 years on the F22. We should have built more of those. But the marines drove the F35 development in the ground. They should have killed the stvol version and cancelled marine aviation. We don't need special equipment so marines can land on carriers.
 
2014-02-16 11:01:40 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Kaeishiwaza: Everything the military has ever procured has been behind schedule, overbudget and unable to perform.

M1 Abrams:  Failure
M2/.3 Bradley:  Failure
M-16 rifle:  Failure
F22:  Failure
Sidewinder missile:  Failure
Aegis Radar:  Failure
AH-64 Apache:  Failure
F4 Phantom:  Failure
B2 Bomber:  Failure
HMMWV:  Failure
F15 Eagle:  Failure

And yet, somehow all of these weapons have ended up being used successfully for many years. , ,  Go figure.

Care to explain? The m1a and sidewinder for example seem to perform pretty well...


That's the point. They perform well now. The early sidewinders could only be launched at less than 2Gs and often locked on to the sun or clouds.
 
2014-02-16 11:03:08 AM  

Deep Contact: In case we have to take on the whole world.
[www.ritholtz.com image 757x511]


Well shiat.  Given that chart, why haven't we tried yet?  We have more comparative military might than the Soviets did post-WWII.  They could have done it if it wasn't for nuclear weapons.

Either shiat or get off the pot I say.
 
2014-02-16 11:03:36 AM  
Care to explain? The m1a and sidewinder for example seem to perform pretty well...

Oh man, sidewinder was dangerously unreliable in the beginning.

The M1 Tank (Tank Destroyer probably more accurate) was actually a design success compared to the MBT-70 program. Rummy did pretty good. Top of the line MBT. A tank with incredible survivability, mobility, with a weapons system that can defeat any armoured vehicle in the world and an on board information system that is incredible. Not bad for a Chrysler. To be fair, the gun is German.

Ask somebody who used it, about the Shillelagh gun/missile system and watch the veins in their head pop out.
 
2014-02-16 11:05:31 AM  

bigdog1960: Kaeishiwaza: Everything the military has ever procured has been behind schedule, overbudget and unable to perform.

M1 Abrams:  Failure
M2/.3 Bradley:  Failure
M-16 rifle:  Failure
F22:  Failure
Sidewinder missile:  Failure
Aegis Radar:  Failure
AH-64 Apache:  Failure
F4 Phantom:  Failure
B2 Bomber:  Failure
HMMWV:  Failure
F15 Eagle:  Failure

And yet, somehow all of these weapons have ended up being used successfully for many years. , ,  Go figure.

You forgot the B1


Good one. The B1 is now our cheapest, most effective bomber.
 
2014-02-16 11:06:35 AM  

indarwinsshadow: $392 billion....$392 billion? Holy crap. What else is there to say? $392 billion for an airplane.


in a way the super high price tags for these programs make hard to sensibly discuss budget policy. A lot of people have a very hard time with figuring out how big a Billion is, and so they can be readily distracted with outrage over a program with a price tag in the millions because their brain groups the $X million program as being comparable to the $X billion program.

It's as thought their brains think "well 500 massive fortunes were lost to waste/fraud/abuse in Solynda but only 3 massive fortunes were lost in the latest round of waste/fraud/abuse on the F-35 program."
 
2014-02-16 11:08:50 AM  

Deep Contact: In case we have to take on the whole world.
[www.ritholtz.com image 757x511]




Doesn't take a whole lot of money to cause a whole lot of trouble.
Also, to be fair, a lot of that money is salaries and benefits. Not just hardware.

/so far as the lightning, it was a bad deal from the start.
/x-32 was a better program and not run by Lockheed, who was already screwing us for the f-22.
 
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