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2014-02-16 10:27:06 AM  
Study sponsored by the Dairy Council. Enjoy a glass of whole milk today.
 
2014-02-16 10:40:29 AM  
Do you have some inside info you`d like to share?
 
2014-02-16 10:40:31 AM  
Um no.
I heard this crap on National Plutocrat Radio, too.


/It's like this because skinny people don't need to watch their weights.
//Where's the study connecting fat people to diet products? Because there is a connection.
 
2014-02-16 10:46:42 AM  
*Sugar* makes you fat.

Fat clogs your arteries.

(In moderation they're OK, though)
 
2014-02-16 10:47:05 AM  
My theory is that all this low-fat, diet crap alarms our systems into grabbing and storing all the fat that passes by, because a diet that poor in the fuels our bodies evolved to use is sensed as a crisis.
 
2014-02-16 10:48:01 AM  
Don't most fatties drink soda instead of anything that has any nutritional value whatsoever?
 
2014-02-16 10:50:19 AM  

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2014-02-16 10:50:40 AM  

Generation_D: Study sponsored by the Dairy Council. Enjoy a glass of whole milk today.


Not really. You get to double- or triple-dip for money by splitting raw milk into skim and assorted cream products. Skim+cream turns more profit than just whole milk.

Also, the lie of fat free foods resulting in weight loss was overturned a long time ago. It's just not a really popular idea because it would severely curtail profits in several food industry sectors.
 
2014-02-16 11:00:02 AM  

ManifestDestiny: Generation_D: Study sponsored by the Dairy Council. Enjoy a glass of whole milk today.

Not really. You get to double- or triple-dip for money by splitting raw milk into skim and assorted cream products. Skim+cream turns more profit than just whole milk.

Also, the lie of fat free foods resulting in weight loss was overturned a long time ago. It's just not a really popular idea because it would severely curtail profits in several food industry sectors.


We have a bingo!

Also, you will consume more of the foods that are devoid of nutritional value just to try and stay alive.  Your body will go into crisis mode and hoard fat, making you 'diet' even more severely.  Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
2014-02-16 11:00:21 AM  
You know who else eats whole dairy products?

www.mdphotography.org
 
2014-02-16 11:00:58 AM  

Generation_D: Study sponsored by the Dairy Council. Enjoy a glass of whole milk today.


Yeah because the dairy council is really pushing the benefits of organic milk.
 
2014-02-16 11:04:13 AM  
It's even simpler than that. High fat diets in general help most people lose weight. Cut out the refined carbs* and watch the weight melt off. The medical profession has known this for more than a century.

* - beer is not a refined carb... ;)
 
2014-02-16 11:09:41 AM  

liam76: Generation_D: Study sponsored by the Dairy Council. Enjoy a glass of whole milk today.

Yeah because the dairy council is really pushing the benefits of organic milk.


Why not? The big boys started buying out and coopting the organic movement years ago. Walmart has their own line and everything.
 
2014-02-16 11:14:39 AM  

StopLurkListen: *Sugar* makes you fat.

Fat clogs your arteries.

(In moderation they're OK, though)


Yes, sugar does, including carbohydrates.

No, fat doesn't.  High cholesterol does.  Dietary cholesterol has very little impact on serum cholesterol.

10 years from now we will be looking back wondering what the hell we were thinking with the whole low-fat thing.

Some helpful reading
 
2014-02-16 11:15:29 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Um no.
I heard this crap on National Plutocrat Radio, too.


/It's like this because skinny people don't need to watch their weights.
//Where's the study connecting fat people to diet products? Because there is a connection.


Should I listen to you or the Swedish doctors who did a twelve year study?
 
2014-02-16 11:21:55 AM  
One of the best things about having crotchfruit is having red top milk in the house.   Now I need to convince the wife to stop buying the light blue junk.
 
2014-02-16 11:33:16 AM  
Public knowledge of nutrition makes as much sense as switching from regular unleaded to premium after a fuel line blockage.

What goes in your stomach is NOT what winds up in your arteries.  Exhibit A:  Your body metabolizes fructose into fat.  You could get obese on a no-fat diet and half the self-proclaimed "nutrition experts" in this country would be wondering how the hell the fat got there.
 
2014-02-16 11:33:26 AM  
Full-fat diets were the norm for over 10,000 years, and somehow we're all still here.

You can do whatever you want, but I'll keep on avoiding the 'low fat' option.
 
2014-02-16 11:36:13 AM  

aaronx: Full-fat diets were the norm for over 10,000 years, and somehow we're all still here.


As much as I think fats are demonized, this logic applies just as well to smallpox.
 
2014-02-16 11:41:04 AM  
Can someone more knowledgeable about nutrition and digestion than me answer this: when I eat fat, my body doesn't actually pack on that fat, right? It digests it and then what happens depends on activity and other factors? I mean, I'm not walking around with a bunch of pig fat cells and cow fat cells hanging off my belly? Because if not, it seems odd to have ever concluded that eating fat automatically equals getting fat. Sure, it's more dense in calories but then it becomes really a question of how much you eat rather than it simply being fat that makes you fat.
 
2014-02-16 11:45:11 AM  
 
2014-02-16 11:46:05 AM  
I only skimmed the article.  I'll come back kfir to see if someone has a better explanation.
 
2014-02-16 11:50:42 AM  
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The Portland Milk Advisory Board approves!

/They also like hot links
 
2014-02-16 11:57:35 AM  
As someone who isn't fat I prefer full-fat dairy products. Maybe if I wasn't moderate in my consumption I would become fat and think I could eat dairy immoderately provided it is "safe" (low fat).

How much of this study depends on fat people eating "diet" foods as opposed to non-diet foods causing non-fatness?

// Doc, note, I Dissent. A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on cod.
 
2014-02-16 12:04:45 PM  
Meh, skim tastes better after tying one on. And that's all that really matters isn't it?
 
2014-02-16 12:09:17 PM  
Just ate 3 slices of cheese toast for breakfast, so I'm really getting a kick out of these comments.....
 
2014-02-16 12:10:21 PM  
StopLurkListen: *Sugar* eating excess calories  makes you fat.

Fat
 excess calories and possibly simple carbs  clogs your arteries.

(In moderation they're OK, though)


FTFY

The trick is to not eat a farking shiatload of calories and not to eat all the god damn time.
 
2014-02-16 12:11:09 PM  

AngryDragon: StopLurkListen: *Sugar* makes you fat.

Fat clogs your arteries.

(In moderation they're OK, though)

Yes, sugar does, including carbohydrates.

No, fat doesn't.  High cholesterol does.  Dietary cholesterol has very little impact on serum cholesterol.

10 years from now we will be looking back wondering what the hell we were thinking with the whole low-fat thing.

Some helpful reading


Sadly, there is no mystery about how we came to where we are. Together over the past 40 years, Big Food and Big Pharma have 'written the law' to manage what you eat and how you treat it...to their enormous respective profit. I'm not claiming they conspired, but their respective interests coincided. A small handful of grain processors convinced us we should eat a 'healthy grains' based diet, the effects of which Big Pharma 'cured' by prescribing statins. Pfizer alone spends more than $3 billion a year on advertising to convince the American public we need to 'ask our doctors' to prescribe their statins, and world wide, statin sales are about 10% of total pharmaceutical sales.

A year and a half ago I had a 'cardiac event' which landed me in hospital. My total cholesterol and triglycerides were each at just under 300. I was also clinically obese and hypertensive. I then started a popular high fat diet, cutting out grains, spuds and sugars, and have lost nearly 50 lbs. My bp is now normal. My total cholesterol has dropped by half and my triglycerides are down under 80. My doc is so pleased she has taken me off the statin and bp meds I was on, and I feel and look 100% better.

Do I splurge? Sure...at special occasions like the Super Bowl, 4th of July party, Turkey Day, etc. But my day-to-day diet has less than 100 grams of carbs, and what is there is all veggies and fresh fruits. No bread. No spuds. No sweet drinks or candies. No pasta, no chips or 'snack foods'. and no rice. I eat as much as I like of everything else and maintain a BMI of 23-24 percent. I don't 'calorie count', but I do weigh myself every morning, and if I see my weight edging up I cut back a little. It's that simple.
 
2014-02-16 12:17:44 PM  

Stone Meadow: No bread. No spuds. No sweet drinks or candies. No pasta, no chips or 'snack foods'. and no rice.


Have you been to the dentist? I'm curious because I've often heard that our teeth started becoming a problem with the advent of agriculture and the consumption of lots of grains (and more recently sugars). I'm wondering how true it is that low carb diets solve many dental problems but also lead to bad breath.
 
2014-02-16 12:21:08 PM  
Shakin_Haitian:
The trick is to not eat a farking shiatload of calories and not to eat all the god damn time.

...and the nice thing about fats is that they cause you to feel full faster, so you end up eating fewer calories.
 
2014-02-16 12:23:11 PM  
Woohoo! Time for a double cheeseburger, cheese fries, and a milkshake!
 
2014-02-16 12:23:42 PM  

EngineerAU: Stone Meadow: No bread. No spuds. No sweet drinks or candies. No pasta, no chips or 'snack foods'. and no rice.

Have you been to the dentist? I'm curious because I've often heard that our teeth started becoming a problem with the advent of agriculture and the consumption of lots of grains (and more recently sugars). I'm wondering how true it is that low carb diets solve many dental problems but also lead to bad breath.


A year and a half out of 60 isn't going to affect my dental health... ;)
 
2014-02-16 12:29:16 PM  
raw milk for the win.
 
2014-02-16 12:32:54 PM  
In other words, we have yet more evidence that eating real food is better for you than eating unsatisfying imitations of real food that leave you craving -- and usually eating -- more. Much like that subset of vegetarians who subsist largely on fake meat, a great many low-fat fanatics expend a ridiculous amount of effort trying to simulate high-fat foods instead of simply learning to like low-fat ones.

/Unfortunately I don't like whole milk; it tastes greasy to me, so I compromise on 2%.
 
2014-02-16 12:34:34 PM  

ManifestDestiny: Generation_D: Study sponsored by the Dairy Council. Enjoy a glass of whole milk today.

Not really. You get to double- or triple-dip for money by splitting raw milk into skim and assorted cream products. Skim+cream turns more profit than just whole milk.

Also, the lie of fat free foods resulting in weight loss was overturned a long time ago. It's just not a really popular idea because it would severely curtail profits in several food industry sectors.




Cream automatically floats to the top of the milk jug...
 
2014-02-16 12:37:19 PM  

EngineerAU: Can someone more knowledgeable about nutrition and digestion than me answer this: when I eat fat, my body doesn't actually pack on that fat, right?


It can, but no, it's not an automatic process.  In the case of "heavy" fats (long-chain fatty acids like found in butter), the body has to break them down into shorter chains, then triglycerides, then onto free fatty acids and finally a chemical called Acetyl-CoA, which can be used for energy.  If you have too much Acetyl-CoA, your body converts it back into fat for storage.  So, fats in particular follow a bit of "burn it or wear it" logic.  And because your body uses cholesterol to transport triglycerides, yes, eating a lot of fat can increase blood cholesterol. . . but not in any destructive way.  The logic that fat leads to high cholesterol is as flawed as measuring the blood sugar of someone who consumed glucose syrup on an empty stomach and concluding the guy's diabetic.

Now, here's where limited (self-study) biochem gets fuzzy because fat metabolism is wicked complex, but how the body converts those fatty acids into triglycerides and other by-products depends on the shape and length of those fatty acids.  There's an entire metaphorical toolbox of chemicals and cycles that the body uses to process fats.  In the case of most natural fats, the body generally knows what it's doing; it has very specific enzymes and other processes to convert the fats into something that breaks down easily.  Problem is, those enzymes and such work almost like keys in locks.  In the case of processed fats, those keys don't fit, but the body tries anyway, and you wind up with a different set of by-products, and that's what scares the crap out of me -- far more than butter.  The health effects of a heavy fat whose consumption has been largely unaltered for millions of years doesn't scare me half as much as how the body tries to deal with a fat created in a lab -- I figure they go "hey, it's a fat" and just stop there with no regards for what by-products result if it's consumed.  As far as food companies go, they value shelf life, cost and even the body's inability to break down fats into energy, which means your health is the lowest priority as long as the stuff isn't downright toxic.

Long story short, when it comes to natural heavy fats, the specific dangers (correlation to disease, etc.) are way, WAY overstated.  Eating too much will make you fat, it also triggers muscle insulin resistance, but here's the thing about fat:  It triggers satiety.  In fact, it does so far better than sugars, which generally have their satiety linked to fiber.  Consume butter and eventually you'll stop eating unless you train yourself to overeat.  Consumer sugar, though, and you'll put on the pounds.
 
2014-02-16 12:41:21 PM  
Animal fats are better for you than vegetable fats...

Film at 11.
 
2014-02-16 12:42:18 PM  

La Maudite: In other words, we have yet more evidence that eating real food is better for you than eating unsatisfying imitations of real food that leave you craving -- and usually eating -- more. Much like that subset of vegetarians who subsist largely on fake meat, a great many low-fat fanatics expend a ridiculous amount of effort trying to simulate high-fat foods instead of simply learning to like low-fat ones.

/Unfortunately I don't like whole milk; it tastes greasy to me, so I compromise on 2%.


Whole milk is not "real food" in the sense that it is processed. In order to keep the fat from separating, milk is sent through a high pressure process which breaks up the fat globules.
 
2014-02-16 12:43:58 PM  

snuffy: raw milk for the win.


lol.

Enjoy your much higher risk of disease ridden milk.
 
2014-02-16 12:47:57 PM  
Meh. Drinking whole milk didn't change my weight one way or the other. It did help push my cholesterol numbers up higher than the doctor liked, though. Switched to 1%, my LDL number dropped. Not precipitously, but just enough to stave off statins.
 
2014-02-16 01:01:59 PM  
Milk does the body good is a gov't/corporate conspiracy. No non-human milk is good for you, period.
 
2014-02-16 01:05:09 PM  

PreMortem: No non-human milk is good for you, period.


[citation needed]
 
2014-02-16 01:07:28 PM  
Thanks, Ric Romero. Fat isn't bad for you. Now got your weird, unnaturally blue skim "milk" bullshiat away from me. That shiat is nasty.

All hail heavy cream!
 
2014-02-16 01:09:17 PM  
Oh my goodness I love full fat dairy.  And it's so darn hard to find now!  Give me some full fat Greek yogurt, I real cottage cheese, real regular cheese.  Tastes delicious, and i eat less than half of the low-fat equivalent because I actually feel satiated.

Mmhmm time for some cottage cheese...
 
2014-02-16 01:13:16 PM  

snuffy: raw milk for the win.


Enjoy TB
 
2014-02-16 01:14:22 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: ManifestDestiny: Generation_D: Study sponsored by the Dairy Council. Enjoy a glass of whole milk today.

Not really. You get to double- or triple-dip for money by splitting raw milk into skim and assorted cream products. Skim+cream turns more profit than just whole milk.

Also, the lie of fat free foods resulting in weight loss was overturned a long time ago. It's just not a really popular idea because it would severely curtail profits in several food industry sectors.



Cream automatically floats to the top of the milk jug...


Perhaps you should learn about homogenization.
 
2014-02-16 01:17:06 PM  

max_pooper: La Maudite: In other words, we have yet more evidence that eating real food is better for you than eating unsatisfying imitations of real food that leave you craving -- and usually eating -- more. Much like that subset of vegetarians who subsist largely on fake meat, a great many low-fat fanatics expend a ridiculous amount of effort trying to simulate high-fat foods instead of simply learning to like low-fat ones.

/Unfortunately I don't like whole milk; it tastes greasy to me, so I compromise on 2%.

Whole milk is not "real food" in the sense that it is processed. In order to keep the fat from separating, milk is sent through a high pressure process which breaks up the fat globules.


Doesn't change how it is digested.

Also TB is bad.
 
2014-02-16 01:26:07 PM  

dragonchild: PreMortem: No non-human milk is good for you, period.

[citation needed]


It's on the Internet. It must be true.
 
2014-02-16 01:54:06 PM  
Apparently goat's milk is pretty damned healthy.  And doesn't require homogenization.
 
2014-02-16 01:57:03 PM  

Semper IvXx: dragonchild: PreMortem: No non-human milk is good for you, period.

[citation needed]

It's on the Internet. It must be true.


Actually, I dated a girl for a few years who was rabid anti-dairy. She had numerous books on the subject. But hey, stick your head in the sand and enjoy whatever you want.

I do, had my monthly big glass of whole milk this morning. Also drinking beer right now and sucking on Winston's. Probly ingest some kind of other foreign substance in the near future.

Point is, it's not the healthiest way to get the same nutrients, and the dairy lobby is very successful in getting its product sold. If you were to ask anyone about the health risks associated with milk, they would say there isn't any. Which is not true.
 
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