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2014-02-16 02:15:22 AM
Humanity has given large sums of money to nonprofits, but this is the only time it seems to have been done out of spite.

Not quite getting the spite part. Am I missing something?
 
2014-02-16 09:53:39 AM
Mecha Hitler.
 
2014-02-16 11:21:24 AM

SilentStrider: Mecha Hitler.


Smegma.
 
2014-02-16 11:40:33 AM
Season 2 isn't that great.
 
2014-02-16 11:45:57 AM

BalugaJoe: Season 2 isn't that great.


Had it's moments....but not sure how Season three is gonna pan out, given the end of S2.  Sure felt like they wrote themselves into a corner.

Robin Wright KILLED it this season, though.
 
2014-02-16 11:47:33 AM
I always thought that hand job scene perfectly described her character
 
2014-02-16 12:02:27 PM
I am looking forward to more kate mara.  /drool
 
2014-02-16 12:03:11 PM

BalugaJoe: Season 2 isn't that great.


For me it was fantastic. Even more insidious and manipulative. The first five episodes were flat out amazing. It slowed down a bit after but still was very engaging. Already started watching it a second time.
 
2014-02-16 12:06:06 PM

roflmaonow: BalugaJoe: Season 2 isn't that great.

For me it was fantastic. Even more insidious and manipulative. The first five episodes were flat out amazing. It slowed down a bit after but still was very engaging. Already started watching it a second time.


I.ve got three episodes to go and I agree.  I think the really brilliant thing this season is that they really got an adversary for Frank that is more than capable of destroying him if Frank isn't careful.

The hacker stuff was kind of silly, though it was good to see Liam McPoyle getting some work.
 
2014-02-16 12:14:40 PM
I get the feeling the hacker stuff will come into play a little more in the 3rd season. I hate the fact that there is now a full one year wait for the 3rd season. I also wished that for the bluray releases they would add a ton of extras ala game of thrones, there's a million things on there. The HoC release comes with nothing. At least if they'd included the director's commentaries which they added later on netflix that would've tied me over. Here's hoping a boxset for season 1 & 2 will give it some much needed making of documentaries.
 
2014-02-16 12:17:49 PM

BalugaJoe: Season 2 isn't that great.


Yep. I disagreed with the criticism in this regard on season 1, but season 2 truly became the Frank Underwood Always Wins Hour regardless of how ridiculous certain characters had to behave in order to always reach that goal, so much so that pretty much the entirety of the last episode felt like a giant insult to the viewer's intelligence.
 
2014-02-16 12:29:13 PM
Spoilers:

There was video of Zoe and the train but no video of Francis walking into the cul-de-sac and then coming back out?

Hard to believe.
 
2014-02-16 12:46:40 PM

BalugaJoe: Spoilers:

There was video of Zoe and the train but no video of Francis walking into the cul-de-sac and then coming back out?

Hard to believe.


I'll have to double check but I wonder if Doug got help in removing the footage with the help of his pals from the secret service & FBI.
 
2014-02-16 01:17:21 PM

Smackledorfer: I am looking forward to more kate mara.  /drool


Bwah-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

/She's not all that.
 
2014-02-16 01:21:43 PM

BalugaJoe: Spoilers:

There was video of Zoe and the train but no video of Francis walking into the cul-de-sac and then coming back out?

Hard to believe.


You mean video of the vice president.
That entire metro stop would have been locked down in seconds.
Apparently, the field of view of that camera didn't extend to the left side of the construction structure, which also offered access to that little cubby passage. In real life, every angle of the place would be covered, perhaps by overlapping fields of view, by the cameras.

Implausible, yes.
Plus, if he'd gotten away, there would be pictures of him plastered all over the media, hat and glasses or no hat and glasses.
 
2014-02-16 01:30:35 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: BalugaJoe: Spoilers:

There was video of Zoe and the train but no video of Francis walking into the cul-de-sac and then coming back out?

Hard to believe.

You mean video of the vice president.
That entire metro stop would have been locked down in seconds.
Apparently, the field of view of that camera didn't extend to the left side of the construction structure, which also offered access to that little cubby passage. In real life, every angle of the place would be covered, perhaps by overlapping fields of view, by the cameras.

Implausible, yes.
Plus, if he'd gotten away, there would be pictures of him plastered all over the media, hat and glasses or no hat and glasses.


Wrong. Not implausible when you're Keiser Soze.
 
2014-02-16 01:35:39 PM
Me & girlfriend watched 1st episode of new season on valentines day (how romantic!).

After end, I said "ok -- if you're interested in watching the british original, NOW you can"
 
2014-02-16 01:46:58 PM

Smackledorfer: I am looking forward to more kate mara.  /drool


They spread her a little thin in season 2.
 
2014-02-16 02:12:32 PM

Mad_Radhu: Smackledorfer: I am looking forward to more kate mara.  /drool

They spread her a little thin in season 2.


You had me at spread.
 
2014-02-16 02:17:45 PM

BalugaJoe: Spoilers:

There was video of Zoe and the train but no video of Francis walking into the cul-de-sac and then coming back out?

Hard to believe.


That entire scene, while cool at first, becomes annoying implausible once you put some thought into it. The "missing footage" angle is actually the most easily explainable if you can believe Stamper's connections are that strong (which they apparently are) but it's still a stretch to think you can that seamlessly place a few calls beforehand to make sure 10 minutes (or so) of security footage will be erased considering all the layers involved.
 
2014-02-16 02:27:02 PM

Killer Cars: BalugaJoe: Spoilers:

There was video of Zoe and the train but no video of Francis walking into the cul-de-sac and then coming back out?

Hard to believe.

That entire scene, while cool at first, becomes annoying implausible once you put some thought into it. The "missing footage" angle is actually the most easily explainable if you can believe Stamper's connections are that strong (which they apparently are) but it's still a stretch to think you can that seamlessly place a few calls beforehand to make sure 10 minutes (or so) of security footage will be erased considering all the layers involved.


Given that spoilers are ahead:

There are two things in season two that are somewhat not shown or executed smoothly for me, that train scene and the last episode with Walker's change of heart. Not covered up convincingly for me yet.
 
2014-02-16 02:27:24 PM

Smackledorfer: I am looking forward to more kate mara.  /drool



I'm assuming you haven't started Season 2 yet, but she's been really good so far through the first three episodes.
 
2014-02-16 02:32:14 PM
First, I was playing CAH last night...and my jaw still hurts from laughing so hard.  That game never disappoints.  Highly recommended.

Second, I just finished my shotgunning of season 2 not too long ago.  A lot felt campier and goofier than last season.  Like, how did Walker not pick up on anything Frank was doing until late in the season?  How come nobody did?  Is Frank the only person in Washington playing the game?  Are there no conniving Republicans looking to destroy this guy?
 
2014-02-16 02:42:39 PM

BeatrixK: BalugaJoe: Season 2 isn't that great.

Had it's moments....but not sure how Season three is gonna pan out, given the end of S2.  Sure felt like they wrote themselves into a corner.

Robin Wright KILLED it this season, though.


Robin Wright is fantastic as Claire. I really "like" her character.

Claire and Francis are perfectly matched.
 
2014-02-16 02:44:32 PM

Six_By_Nine: First, I was playing CAH last night...and my jaw still hurts from laughing so hard.  That game never disappoints.  Highly recommended.

Second, I just finished my shotgunning of season 2 not too long ago.  A lot felt campier and goofier than last season.  Like, how did Walker not pick up on anything Frank was doing until late in the season?  How come nobody did?  Is Frank the only person in Washington playing the game?  Are there no conniving Republicans looking to destroy this guy?


They do show that some of the politicians knew what he was up to like the guy who was in Franks room during the lockdown about the Alzheimer's. I also wonder if they're trying to inject the campiness that was there in the UK version in this season.
 
2014-02-16 03:19:18 PM

roflmaonow: Six_By_Nine: First, I was playing CAH last night...and my jaw still hurts from laughing so hard.  That game never disappoints.  Highly recommended.

Second, I just finished my shotgunning of season 2 not too long ago.  A lot felt campier and goofier than last season.  Like, how did Walker not pick up on anything Frank was doing until late in the season?  How come nobody did?  Is Frank the only person in Washington playing the game?  Are there no conniving Republicans looking to destroy this guy?

They do show that some of the politicians knew what he was up to like the guy who was in Franks room during the lockdown about the Alzheimer's. I also wonder if they're trying to inject the campiness that was there in the UK version in this season.


I like House of Cards a lot (both UK and US), but the US version is really distilled down to having very little going on outside of the story itself. Every scene is there to advance another scene; every character interaction is intended to move the plot forward. There's very little subtlety or nuance. You rarely see scenes that are intended to build the world or the characters just for the sake of building them.

That lack of reality makes it hard to accept as a "realistic" story. I've decided that it's best to think of it as a story where the main character is in control of what we see and here so that we believe the psychopathic lies he tells himself about how great he is. That gives the story an important context, because it explains why everyone but Claire is an unworthy adversary; why every detail is about his rise to power; why every player is a pawn in his game.

It's certainly good TV, but it is more Shakespearean than modern drama. A lot of suspension of disbelief is required.
 
2014-02-16 03:45:48 PM

skinink: HotIgneous Intruder: BalugaJoe: Spoilers:

There was video of Zoe and the train but no video of Francis walking into the cul-de-sac and then coming back out?

Hard to believe.

You mean video of the vice president.
That entire metro stop would have been locked down in seconds.
Apparently, the field of view of that camera didn't extend to the left side of the construction structure, which also offered access to that little cubby passage. In real life, every angle of the place would be covered, perhaps by overlapping fields of view, by the cameras.

Implausible, yes.
Plus, if he'd gotten away, there would be pictures of him plastered all over the media, hat and glasses or no hat and glasses.

Wrong. Not implausible when you're Keiser Soze.


SPOILER ALERT PLEASE
 
2014-02-16 04:12:03 PM

robsul82: BalugaJoe: Season 2 isn't that great.

Yep. I disagreed with the criticism in this regard on season 1, but season 2 truly became the Frank Underwood Always Wins Hour regardless of how ridiculous certain characters had to behave in order to always reach that goal, so much so that pretty much the entirety of the last episode felt like a giant insult to the viewer's intelligence.


Kinda like the original. Lots of characters hold the Idiot Ball when need be.

Honestly, I kind of enjoy watching characters do idiotic things and immediately get exploited by Frank. I want the sense that Frank's victory, while inevitable, will also end up being hollow.

/Only through the first three episodes of the season, but the other reporter dude whose name I can't remember is going to end up in prison, right? The McPoyle brother is going to upload child porn onto one of his devices or something and alert the cops. I can see it coming.
 
2014-02-16 04:13:42 PM

secularsage: roflmaonow: Six_By_Nine: First, I was playing CAH last night...and my jaw still hurts from laughing so hard.  That game never disappoints.  Highly recommended.

Second, I just finished my shotgunning of season 2 not too long ago.  A lot felt campier and goofier than last season.  Like, how did Walker not pick up on anything Frank was doing until late in the season?  How come nobody did?  Is Frank the only person in Washington playing the game?  Are there no conniving Republicans looking to destroy this guy?

They do show that some of the politicians knew what he was up to like the guy who was in Franks room during the lockdown about the Alzheimer's. I also wonder if they're trying to inject the campiness that was there in the UK version in this season.

I like House of Cards a lot (both UK and US), but the US version is really distilled down to having very little going on outside of the story itself. Every scene is there to advance another scene; every character interaction is intended to move the plot forward. There's very little subtlety or nuance. You rarely see scenes that are intended to build the world or the characters just for the sake of building them.

That lack of reality makes it hard to accept as a "realistic" story. I've decided that it's best to think of it as a story where the main character is in control of what we see and here so that we believe the psychopathic lies he tells himself about how great he is. That gives the story an important context, because it explains why everyone but Claire is an unworthy adversary; why every detail is about his rise to power; why every player is a pawn in his game.

It's certainly good TV, but it is more Shakespearean than modern drama. A lot of suspension of disbelief is required.


I actually like the focus on moving the plot forward, otherwise you wind up with shows spinning their wheels like the whole first half of Homeland season 3, which had some really pointless threads like Dana going off the rails. Also, if you look at the Game of Thrones books, everyone at this point despises the gratuitous world building and just wants GRRM to get to the damn story instead of farking around in Dorne.
 
2014-02-16 04:19:13 PM

Smelly McUgly: robsul82: BalugaJoe: Season 2 isn't that great.

Yep. I disagreed with the criticism in this regard on season 1, but season 2 truly became the Frank Underwood Always Wins Hour regardless of how ridiculous certain characters had to behave in order to always reach that goal, so much so that pretty much the entirety of the last episode felt like a giant insult to the viewer's intelligence.

Kinda like the original. Lots of characters hold the Idiot Ball when need be.

Honestly, I kind of enjoy watching characters do idiotic things and immediately get exploited by Frank. I want the sense that Frank's victory, while inevitable, will also end up being hollow.

/Only through the first three episodes of the season, but the other reporter dude whose name I can't remember is going to end up in prison, right? The McPoyle brother is going to upload child porn onto one of his devices or something and alert the cops. I can see it coming.


Nothing as subtle as that, actually. The reporter due carries his own idiot ball right into the end zone.
 
2014-02-16 04:35:17 PM

Mad_Radhu: Nothing as subtle as that, actually. The reporter due carries his own idiot ball right into the end zone.


Good because I honestly find myself hating that team of reporters. Kate Mara sucks at acting, too. Her method of employing a single face for every mood shows that her training was poor. Same for the guy.

/Yes, I meant to do that.
 
2014-02-16 04:40:02 PM

Smelly McUgly: Mad_Radhu: Nothing as subtle as that, actually. The reporter due carries his own idiot ball right into the end zone.

Good because I honestly find myself hating that team of reporters. Kate Mara sucks at acting, too. Her method of employing a single face for every mood shows that her training was poor. Same for the guy.

/Yes, I meant to do that.


I kind of liked the older female reporter because she actually had some sense (and the actress was actually really good in The Newsroom), but overall I'm glad that the whole reporting team was written out by the middle of the season. Plus, the whole Slugline blog from season was like a terrible version of Gawker.
 
2014-02-16 04:47:28 PM
Also, does anyone think the show suffers a bit from having the whole season released at once? I just don't feel like there is time to digest the episodes binge watching them, and since everyone is watching at a different pace, it is hard to really discuss episodes one at a time like you would Breaking Bad or True Detective (for example, would the True Detective tracking shot have been as big of a wow in the middle of an 8 episode binge with other big whams towards the ends).
 
2014-02-16 05:03:27 PM

Cymbal: SilentStrider: Mecha Hitler.

Smegma.


Smegmaman.
 
2014-02-16 05:06:01 PM

Mad_Radhu: Also, does anyone think the show suffers a bit from having the whole season released at once? I just don't feel like there is time to digest the episodes binge watching them, and since everyone is watching at a different pace, it is hard to really discuss episodes one at a time like you would Breaking Bad or True Detective (for example, would the True Detective tracking shot have been as big of a wow in the middle of an 8 episode binge with other big whams towards the ends).


Oh yeah - we binged it this weekend..and realized there was a bunch of crap we'd forgotten...and wished we'd have at least watched the last two epi's of S1 before starting...just as a 'refresher'.

Now that we're done, it's like...a whole year?  Srsly?

/Will NOT make that mistake when Orange is released in June - will prep with watching S1 the week prior.
 
2014-02-16 05:41:59 PM
I'm playing CAH right now. Sadly, i did not get to play mecha hitler.
 
2014-02-16 06:00:42 PM
Daddy's belt.
 
2014-02-16 06:19:49 PM
McPoyle Rules!

I saw the whole season already.  I liked it more than the first season.  I'd expect Spacey and/or Wright to get Emmy's this year.
 
2014-02-16 06:26:08 PM

roflmaonow: Killer Cars: BalugaJoe: Spoilers:

There was video of Zoe and the train but no video of Francis walking into the cul-de-sac and then coming back out?

Hard to believe.

That entire scene, while cool at first, becomes annoying implausible once you put some thought into it. The "missing footage" angle is actually the most easily explainable if you can believe Stamper's connections are that strong (which they apparently are) but it's still a stretch to think you can that seamlessly place a few calls beforehand to make sure 10 minutes (or so) of security footage will be erased considering all the layers involved.

Given that spoilers are ahead:

There are two things in season two that are somewhat not shown or executed smoothly for me, that train scene and the last episode with Walker's change of heart. Not covered up convincingly for me yet.


There's a shot at the beginning of the scene that shows one of the cameras is out of order. All Frank had to do was stay in the area that the out of order camera covered and he wouldn't be on tape.
 
2014-02-16 06:49:45 PM

CygnusDarius: Cymbal: SilentStrider: Mecha Hitler.

Smegma.

Smegmaman.


A midget shiatting in a bucket.
 
2014-02-16 07:04:37 PM

BeatrixK: Mad_Radhu: Also, does anyone think the show suffers a bit from having the whole season released at once? I just don't feel like there is time to digest the episodes binge watching them, and since everyone is watching at a different pace, it is hard to really discuss episodes one at a time like you would Breaking Bad or True Detective (for example, would the True Detective tracking shot have been as big of a wow in the middle of an 8 episode binge with other big whams towards the ends).

Oh yeah - we binged it this weekend..and realized there was a bunch of crap we'd forgotten...and wished we'd have at least watched the last two epi's of S1 before starting...just as a 'refresher'.

Now that we're done, it's like...a whole year?  Srsly?

/Will NOT make that mistake when Orange is released in June - will prep with watching S1 the week prior.


I still haven't forgotten what the CO did in walking away from the final Pennsyltucky confrontation or what happened in the final scene. Brutal!
 
2014-02-16 07:58:01 PM

KarlMaldensNose: CygnusDarius: Cymbal: SilentStrider: Mecha Hitler.

Smegma.

Smegmaman.

A midget shiatting in a bucket.


I got to play "Mecha Hitler", "A bigger, blacker dick" and "Exactly what you'd expect" all in the same game.

/sadly, "the biggest, blackest dick" was not in the deck we had available
//"Exactly what you'd expect" is a better trump card than people typically estimate it to be.
 
2014-02-16 08:05:11 PM
Claire and Frank sitting smoking in the window: "We're not quitters."
 
2014-02-16 08:13:37 PM

BeatrixK: Mad_Radhu: Also, does anyone think the show suffers a bit from having the whole season released at once? I just don't feel like there is time to digest the episodes binge watching them, and since everyone is watching at a different pace, it is hard to really discuss episodes one at a time like you would Breaking Bad or True Detective (for example, would the True Detective tracking shot have been as big of a wow in the middle of an 8 episode binge with other big whams towards the ends).

Oh yeah - we binged it this weekend..and realized there was a bunch of crap we'd forgotten...and wished we'd have at least watched the last two epi's of S1 before starting...just as a 'refresher'.

Now that we're done, it's like...a whole year?  Srsly?

/Will NOT make that mistake when Orange is released in June - will prep with watching S1 the week prior.


They really needed to have a special season 1 recap episode in queue you could watch to remind you what happened.
 
2014-02-16 08:15:57 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Claire and Frank sitting smoking in the window: "We're not quitters."


I loved Frank trying the e-cig for a bit.
 
2014-02-16 08:43:39 PM
Late episode season 2 spoilers below.

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As far as shocking moments, I was actually more surprised by the threesome thing than by Frank throwing Zoey in front of a train. I'm so used to shows playing around with sexual tension and subtext between two male characters and then never going there, so House of Cards actually going there was surprising.
 
2014-02-16 10:03:38 PM

Killer Cars: BalugaJoe: Spoilers:

There was video of Zoe and the train but no video of Francis walking into the cul-de-sac and then coming back out?

Hard to believe.

That entire scene, while cool at first, becomes annoying implausible once you put some thought into it. The "missing footage" angle is actually the most easily explainable if you can believe Stamper's connections are that strong (which they apparently are) but it's still a stretch to think you can that seamlessly place a few calls beforehand to make sure 10 minutes (or so) of security footage will be erased considering all the layers involved.


Speaking as somebody who rides the metro most days- my understanding is that they don't have full camera coverage. They didn't have any at all outside the stations until 2011. This is not the best run organization we're talking about, and there have been ongoing security complaints. If they did have coverage in that area, it would only be from above, and Frank's hat would probably have sufficiently obscured his face. The amazing thing is that nobody decided to look at the end of the platform where the person hit by the train was and then stop the guy walking away from the scene. That part's not entirely believable to me, but I wouldn't exactly be shocked if you could get away with shoving someone on the tracks from one of the darker recesses in a metro station.
 
2014-02-16 10:33:05 PM
"Strangling a dog to make a point to the audience" sounds like a scene from 1900. Except it was a cat. And Donald Sutherland didn't actually strangle it, he just used his belt to hang it up so could do something much worse to it. Pretty sure that was the evilest role I've ever seen him in.
 
2014-02-16 10:40:39 PM
Major spoiler below....

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Doug?  Doug?!?  DOOOOUUUUG!!!!!
 
2014-02-17 12:29:16 AM

rynthetyn: Late episode season 2 spoilers below.

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As far as shocking moments, I was actually more surprised by the threesome thing than by Frank throwing Zoey in front of a train. I'm so used to shows playing around with sexual tension and subtext between two male characters and then never going there, so House of Cards actually going there was surprising.


You know a lot of people read threads from the bottom up, right? Asshole...
 
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