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2014-02-16 09:26:20 AM  

atomicmask: OH well that clears it up, I mean, being suspended for having a baggy with trace amounts of pot is not the same thing as having drugs..


Having an EMPTY baggie ONCE is not he same as "Was suspended 3 times for dealing drugs and doing them at school", which is what you claimed.
 
2014-02-16 09:32:56 AM  

lordjupiter: Holy shiat look at all the Zimmer Rimmers.  Why don't you give him a home, he might cuddle with you.


Maybe, but looking at his arrest history, he's more likely to assault you or pull a gun on you, so buyer beware.

Let's face it - this is not some nice, innocent guy who found himself in a bad situation that he has deep, painful regrets about.  His 'PTSD" isn't because he shot and killed a teenager, it's because the big, bad media reported it and he had a high profile trial. (I will admit that MSNBC made far too much of a circus of the whole thing).  That said, I have to imagine most people in his scenario would feel horrible about what happened all told, wish they had taken some different steps that night, and go live a quiet life as far away from the spotlight as possible.  But he's not most people - he's not someone who makes wise decisions and he doesn't appear to be a good person.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-02-16 09:33:09 AM  

LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: This thread is certainly full of names I've never seen before, defending Zimmerman and pooping all over Rawstory.

I am NOT defending RS, but RS is a pocketful-of-assholes.
And Tom Boggioni is a bigger asshole than I can express.
His package of libel based schadenfreude and vitriol shows his true character.

Mr B's lack of tact notwithstanding, I'm more acutely aware of a bunch of troll alts screaming foul over what is at worst a bad joke. But, surprise surprise, people get "vitriolic" when someone kills an unarmed kid and gets away with it, and derive pleasure from what little vengeance they are allowed. Who'd have thunk it? If it wasn't for the criminal incompetence of the authorities in the matter, Zimmerman would have been forgotten by now.


You ASSUME the blog is a "bad joke". I do not think so. TBogg is a shiatbag who has also been caught nearing the outskirts of antisemitism.
Before I made any judgement I read a load of his stuff, and then drew conclusion. He is an asshole. Lack of tact does not approach his failings.

And as far as what happened in trial, we ALL need to just own that it was decided and nothing further can be said or done.
Zimm was never found innocent, BTW, they just failed to find him guilty of the charges as specified.
 
2014-02-16 09:47:06 AM  

s2s2s2: Since you demand evidence, please cite your evidence for a sucker punch from Zimmerman. Trayvon had scuffed knuckles, zimm had a broken nose. Zimm had no damage to his knuckles, and the only other injury Trayvon had was a gunshot wound.


There's as much reason to think Zimmerman started it as Martin did. That's the entire point.

And you can assault someone without causing a noticeable abrasion to your knuckles.
 
2014-02-16 09:50:54 AM  

fredklein: atomicmask: OH well that clears it up, I mean, being suspended for having a baggy with trace amounts of pot is not the same thing as having drugs..

Having an EMPTY baggie ONCE is not he same as "Was suspended 3 times for dealing drugs and doing them at school", which is what you claimed.


Because unless Treyvon's teenaged character isn't destroyed or defined as sufficiently thuggish and criminal then the championing of the shooter does not fit the narrative anymore.

I read somewhere where an MMA studio attempted to re-enact the whole incident based upon Mr Zimmerman's recorded interviews with police. And when it came to the actual "life threatening beating" Mr Zimmerman was experiencing, his initial claim that he had his gun holstered while Treyvon was straddling him and beating his head into the pavement kinda completely falls apart.

They found it impossible to pull the sidearm from its holster with even the smallest MMA student atop the largest MMA student.

Which suggests that Mr Zimmerman went for the weapon a whole heck of a lot sooner than testimony indicates

I'm certain that Treyvon was no saint, he was a fairly typical teenager that gets into the weed.

But I'm also fairly certain he wasn't the murderous gangster "thug" that the most vocal defenders of this shooting repeatedly depict.

Either way, if Mr Zimmerman had not been such a self motivated, over zealous wannabe cop on the unsanctioned neighborhood watch, the kid would still be alive. He was clearly told to stay in his vehicle. SO, I don't know what offends me more, Tbogg's schedenfreude? Or the way Mr Zimmerman's defenders repeated stretch truth and reality to defend the shooting.
 
2014-02-16 09:52:52 AM  

gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: This thread is certainly full of names I've never seen before, defending Zimmerman and pooping all over Rawstory.

I am NOT defending RS, but RS is a pocketful-of-assholes.
And Tom Boggioni is a bigger asshole than I can express.
His package of libel based schadenfreude and vitriol shows his true character.

Mr B's lack of tact notwithstanding, I'm more acutely aware of a bunch of troll alts screaming foul over what is at worst a bad joke. But, surprise surprise, people get "vitriolic" when someone kills an unarmed kid and gets away with it, and derive pleasure from what little vengeance they are allowed. Who'd have thunk it? If it wasn't for the criminal incompetence of the authorities in the matter, Zimmerman would have been forgotten by now.

You ASSUME the blog is a "bad joke". I do not think so. TBogg is a shiatbag who has also been caught nearing the outskirts of antisemitism.
Before I made any judgement I read a load of his stuff, and then drew conclusion. He is an asshole. Lack of tact does not approach his failings.

And as far as what happened in trial, we ALL need to just own that it was decided and nothing further can be said or done.
Zimm was never found innocent, BTW, they just failed to find him guilty of the charges as specified.


That says more about you than it does about TBogg.
 
2014-02-16 10:00:12 AM  

Olo Manolo: Oh this looks like a fun game. I prefer to think that his martin's father's fiance would have tore a mailbox out of the ground and raped the neighbor with it.


Well, if they're going to say that I'm being unreasonable in saying that without the confrontation, no crime would have been committed, then the game's afoot.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-02-16 10:01:24 AM  

LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: This thread is certainly full of names I've never seen before, defending Zimmerman and pooping all over Rawstory.

I am NOT defending RS, but RS is a pocketful-of-assholes.
And Tom Boggioni is a bigger asshole than I can express.
His package of libel based schadenfreude and vitriol shows his true character.

Mr B's lack of tact notwithstanding, I'm more acutely aware of a bunch of troll alts screaming foul over what is at worst a bad joke. But, surprise surprise, people get "vitriolic" when someone kills an unarmed kid and gets away with it, and derive pleasure from what little vengeance they are allowed. Who'd have thunk it? If it wasn't for the criminal incompetence of the authorities in the matter, Zimmerman would have been forgotten by now.

You ASSUME the blog is a "bad joke". I do not think so. TBogg is a shiatbag who has also been caught nearing the outskirts of antisemitism.
Before I made any judgement I read a load of his stuff, and then drew conclusion. He is an asshole. Lack of tact does not approach his failings.

And as far as what happened in trial, we ALL need to just own that it was decided and nothing further can be said or done.
Zimm was never found innocent, BTW, they just failed to find him guilty of the charges as specified.

That says more about you than it does about TBogg.


Yes it does, that I judge a person on the merits of their actions. That you think otherwise lets us all know where you live at.
 
2014-02-16 10:07:32 AM  

atomicmask: And you have no evidence he did start it, you are just assuming. You keep asserting that zimmerman started it, no witnesses saw that, what they did see was martin on top of him assaulting him, so that is the fact we know. That fact alone gives him right to self defense including lethal self defense, deal with it lib.


First, my entire point is that who started it is an assumption. That's why I say Zimmerman started it every time someone says Martin started it. Both are entirely speculative.

Second, your last sentence isn't automatically correct. If I fire on you and miss, and you fire back, I can't then kill you and claim self-defense. When you start a fight, you are not guiltless for its results.

And, it's entirely consistent to think all of that and yet also feel there wasn't enough evidence to convict Zimmerman. That doesn't mean his actions weren't unwise. I mean, taking out $300 from an ATM in downtown DC at 3am and loudly proclaiming you have $300 and heading down a dark alley isn't illegal. But when someone tells you not to do that, people are going to think you're extra-special stupid if you do it anyway.
 
2014-02-16 10:20:18 AM  

vygramul: And, it's entirely consistent to think all of that and yet also feel there wasn't enough evidence to convict Zimmerman. That doesn't mean his actions weren't unwise. I mean, taking out $300 from an ATM in downtown DC at 3am and loudly proclaiming you have $300 and heading down a dark alley isn't illegal. But when someone tells you not to do that, people are going to think you're extra-special stupid if you do it anyway.


Someone shouldn't have to tell you not to do that.

Just like someone shouldn't have to tell you not to follow someone you find suspicious enough to call the police on. If someone disturbs me to the point I feel the need to call the police, engaging them in any way is the last thing i am going to do.
 
2014-02-16 10:24:08 AM  

serpent_sky: vygramul: And, it's entirely consistent to think all of that and yet also feel there wasn't enough evidence to convict Zimmerman. That doesn't mean his actions weren't unwise. I mean, taking out $300 from an ATM in downtown DC at 3am and loudly proclaiming you have $300 and heading down a dark alley isn't illegal. But when someone tells you not to do that, people are going to think you're extra-special stupid if you do it anyway.

Someone shouldn't have to tell you not to do that.

Just like someone shouldn't have to tell you not to follow someone you find suspicious enough to call the police on. If someone disturbs me to the point I feel the need to call the police, engaging them in any way is the last thing i am going to do.


I don't disagree at all.

As my NRA instructor would say, Zimmerman displayed a certain immaturity when it comes to being armed. A gun is supposed to get you out of trouble. It's not supposed to enable you getting into trouble and mitigate the consequences. I suspect that, were he not armed, he would not have left his vehicle.
 
2014-02-16 10:33:28 AM  

BSABSVR: Geoff Peterson: Am I supposed to call this journalism? Thats the discussion we should be having

Raw Story bloggers aren't in any way supposed to be non-partisan journalist/stenographers.  That's a pretty short discussion.


Well then why does it present itself as such?
 
2014-02-16 10:36:10 AM  

Geoff Peterson: BSABSVR: Geoff Peterson: Am I supposed to call this journalism? Thats the discussion we should be having

Raw Story bloggers aren't in any way supposed to be non-partisan journalist/stenographers.  That's a pretty short discussion.

Well then why does it present itself as such?


It does? Seems as much a journalistic as anything originating from Michelle Malkin,
 
2014-02-16 10:36:13 AM  
X-boxershorts:
I read somewhere where an MMA studio attempted to re-enact the whole incident based upon Mr Zimmerman's recorded interviews with police. And when it came to the actual "life threatening beating" Mr Zimmerman was experiencing, his initial claim that he had his gun holstered while Treyvon was straddling him and beating his head into the pavement kinda completely falls apart.

They found it impossible to pull the sidearm from its holster with even the smallest MMA student atop the largest MMA student.

Which suggests that Mr Zimmerman went for the weapon a whole heck of a lot sooner than testimony indicates


Exactly. Which ties in perfectly to the scenario I believe (and mentioned earlier)- that Trayvon, afraid to lead a "creepy" armed guy right to his front door, was hiding. While hiding, he sees Zimmerman holding his gun. And so when Zimmerman finds his hiding place, Trayvon sincerely fears for his life. Since he can't out-run a bullet, he tries to take the gun, and failing that, he tries to knock Zimmerman out. Note that he hit Zimmerman's head against the ground several times. Almost as if he was trying to apply the minimum force needed to knock him out and not kill him. (If you wanna kill someone, simply hit them once with ALL your strength, and voila.)

He was clearly told to stay in his vehicle.

No, I agree with them on that one. Technically, he was only told "We don't need you to do that". He was not, technically, told to stop following Trayvon. But most people would take the clue. Kinda like when the cop asks "Can I see your license and registration, please?", most people realize that that is a politely phrased command, not actually a question.
 
2014-02-16 10:37:12 AM  
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2014-02-16 11:28:46 AM  

X-boxershorts: Farkage: brownribbon: BadReligion: Raging Whore Moans: No, seriously. Guns are for pussies

Well the, I won't show off my new one. Well, ok, I will. It is an extra for pussies Ruger Blackhawk .357 stainless.
[i74.photobucket.com image 752x800]

Nice. Here is my newest (bottom) pictured with one I fixed up about a year ago:

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Absolutely at the TOP of my "WANT" list!!!
Jealous...

Why jealous? It's a tool, not a toy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U


Those are M-14s, not M1s.
 
2014-02-16 11:32:27 AM  

gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: This thread is certainly full of names I've never seen before, defending Zimmerman and pooping all over Rawstory.

I am NOT defending RS, but RS is a pocketful-of-assholes.
And Tom Boggioni is a bigger asshole than I can express.
His package of libel based schadenfreude and vitriol shows his true character.

Mr B's lack of tact notwithstanding, I'm more acutely aware of a bunch of troll alts screaming foul over what is at worst a bad joke. But, surprise surprise, people get "vitriolic" when someone kills an unarmed kid and gets away with it, and derive pleasure from what little vengeance they are allowed. Who'd have thunk it? If it wasn't for the criminal incompetence of the authorities in the matter, Zimmerman would have been forgotten by now.

You ASSUME the blog is a "bad joke". I do not think so. TBogg is a shiatbag who has also been caught nearing the outskirts of antisemitism.
Before I made any judgement I read a load of his stuff, and then drew conclusion. He is an asshole. Lack of tact does not approach his failings.

And as far as what happened in trial, we ALL need to just own that it was decided and nothing further can be said or done.
Zimm was never found innocent, BTW, they just failed to find him guilty of the charges as specified.

That says more about you than it does about TBogg.

Yes it does, that I judge a person on the merits of their actions. That you think otherwise lets us all know where you live at.


Unless they are black and wearing a hoodie. Then they are clearly up to no good.
 
2014-02-16 11:34:18 AM  

brownribbon: X-boxershorts: Farkage: brownribbon: BadReligion: Raging Whore Moans: No, seriously. Guns are for pussies

Well the, I won't show off my new one. Well, ok, I will. It is an extra for pussies Ruger Blackhawk .357 stainless.
[i74.photobucket.com image 752x800]

Nice. Here is my newest (bottom) pictured with one I fixed up about a year ago:

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Absolutely at the TOP of my "WANT" list!!!
Jealous...

Why jealous? It's a tool, not a toy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U

Those are M-14s, not M1s.


the weapons used in the video are immaterial to the morphing of a tool that is designed to kill into a toy.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-02-16 11:38:29 AM  

LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: This thread is certainly full of names I've never seen before, defending Zimmerman and pooping all over Rawstory.

I am NOT defending RS, but RS is a pocketful-of-assholes.
And Tom Boggioni is a bigger asshole than I can express.
His package of libel based schadenfreude and vitriol shows his true character.

Mr B's lack of tact notwithstanding, I'm more acutely aware of a bunch of troll alts screaming foul over what is at worst a bad joke. But, surprise surprise, people get "vitriolic" when someone kills an unarmed kid and gets away with it, and derive pleasure from what little vengeance they are allowed. Who'd have thunk it? If it wasn't for the criminal incompetence of the authorities in the matter, Zimmerman would have been forgotten by now.

You ASSUME the blog is a "bad joke". I do not think so. TBogg is a shiatbag who has also been caught nearing the outskirts of antisemitism.
Before I made any judgement I read a load of his stuff, and then drew conclusion. He is an asshole. Lack of tact does not approach his failings.

And as far as what happened in trial, we ALL need to just own that it was decided and nothing further can be said or done.
Zimm was never found innocent, BTW, they just failed to find him guilty of the charges as specified.

That says more about you than it does about TBogg.

Yes it does, that I judge a person on the merits of their actions. That you think otherwise lets us all know where you live at.

Unless they are black and wearing a hoodie. Then they are clearly up to no good.


LIAR! I never mentioned or alluded to Trayvon. Point out where I said he was up to no good. You can't.
So now you are trying a misdirect. You are a COWARD and an asshole for bringing racist crap into this.
 
2014-02-16 11:50:12 AM  

fredklein: X-boxershorts:
I read somewhere where an MMA studio attempted to re-enact the whole incident based upon Mr Zimmerman's recorded interviews with police. And when it came to the actual "life threatening beating" Mr Zimmerman was experiencing, his initial claim that he had his gun holstered while Treyvon was straddling him and beating his head into the pavement kinda completely falls apart.

They found it impossible to pull the sidearm from its holster with even the smallest MMA student atop the largest MMA student.

Which suggests that Mr Zimmerman went for the weapon a whole heck of a lot sooner than testimony indicates

Exactly. Which ties in perfectly to the scenario I believe (and mentioned earlier)- that Trayvon, afraid to lead a "creepy" armed guy right to his front door, was hiding. While hiding, he sees Zimmerman holding his gun. And so when Zimmerman finds his hiding place, Trayvon sincerely fears for his life. Since he can't out-run a bullet, he tries to take the gun, and failing that, he tries to knock Zimmerman out. Note that he hit Zimmerman's head against the ground several times. Almost as if he was trying to apply the minimum force needed to knock him out and not kill him. (If you wanna kill someone, simply hit them once with ALL your strength, and voila.)

He was clearly told to stay in his vehicle.

No, I agree with them on that one. Technically, he was only told "We don't need you to do that". He was not, technically, told to stop following Trayvon. But most people would take the clue. Kinda like when the cop asks "Can I see your license and registration, please?", most people realize that that is a politely phrased command, not actually a question.


3.bp.blogspot.com
The actual trial is over - you know that right?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-02-16 11:50:18 AM  

LoneWolf343: Unless they are black and wearing a hoodie. Then they are clearly up to no good.



Racism is YOUR construct here, LW. That you chose to lie and say I in any way intimated or said that shows your true character.
You fail. I hate racism in all it's permutations and festering morphs.
I have only commented on the irresponsible hate and libel displayed by that fool TBogg.

Expect to be called out vigorously on your falsehoods and innuendo.
 
2014-02-16 11:55:25 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: fredklein: X-boxershorts:
I read somewhere where an MMA studio attempted to re-enact the whole incident based upon Mr Zimmerman's recorded interviews with police. And when it came to the actual "life threatening beating" Mr Zimmerman was experiencing, his initial claim that he had his gun holstered while Treyvon was straddling him and beating his head into the pavement kinda completely falls apart.

They found it impossible to pull the sidearm from its holster with even the smallest MMA student atop the largest MMA student.

Which suggests that Mr Zimmerman went for the weapon a whole heck of a lot sooner than testimony indicates

Exactly. Which ties in perfectly to the scenario I believe (and mentioned earlier)- that Trayvon, afraid to lead a "creepy" armed guy right to his front door, was hiding. While hiding, he sees Zimmerman holding his gun. And so when Zimmerman finds his hiding place, Trayvon sincerely fears for his life. Since he can't out-run a bullet, he tries to take the gun, and failing that, he tries to knock Zimmerman out. Note that he hit Zimmerman's head against the ground several times. Almost as if he was trying to apply the minimum force needed to knock him out and not kill him. (If you wanna kill someone, simply hit them once with ALL your strength, and voila.)

He was clearly told to stay in his vehicle.

No, I agree with them on that one. Technically, he was only told "We don't need you to do that". He was not, technically, told to stop following Trayvon. But most people would take the clue. Kinda like when the cop asks "Can I see your license and registration, please?", most people realize that that is a politely phrased command, not actually a question.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 460x276]
The actual trial is over - you know that right?


Except here on FARK where someone posts an Obvious Trolltm headline about the case.
 
2014-02-16 12:08:09 PM  

gja: LoneWolf343: Unless they are black and wearing a hoodie. Then they are clearly up to no good.


Racism is YOUR construct here, LW. That you chose to lie and say I in any way intimated or said that shows your true character.
You fail. I hate racism in all it's permutations and festering morphs.
I have only commented on the irresponsible hate and libel displayed by that fool TBogg.

Expect to be called out vigorously on your falsehoods and innuendo.


TBogg is an opinionator. That's it. no more, no less. There is no libel here, only schadenfreude published as opinion.

Is it offensive? On some levels, yes. Is it any worse than the constant stream of hate and bile that emanates from the likes of Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin or Erick Erickson?

Not even close.
 
2014-02-16 12:09:27 PM  

vygramul: s2s2s2: Since you demand evidence, please cite your evidence for a sucker punch from Zimmerman. Trayvon had scuffed knuckles, zimm had a broken nose. Zimm had no damage to his knuckles, and the only other injury Trayvon had was a gunshot wound.

There's as much reason to think Zimmerman started it as Martin did. That's the entire point.

And you can assault someone without causing a noticeable abrasion to your knuckles.


No there isn't. You want there to be, but there is absolutely no reason, save your desire, to assume George in any way initiated an attack. There is documented evidence of Trayvon's having attacked George.
 
2014-02-16 12:18:14 PM  

s2s2s2: There is documented evidence of Trayvon's having attacked George.


Not really. Only testimony presented in court from the police interviews.

Here's a martial arts instructor calling bullshiat on some of the more critical of that testimony....I know, it's only speculative.

http://politicalblindspot.com/martial-arts-instructor-proves-george- zi mmerman-lied/


politicalblindspot.org
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-02-16 12:22:25 PM  

X-boxershorts: gja: LoneWolf343: Unless they are black and wearing a hoodie. Then they are clearly up to no good.


Racism is YOUR construct here, LW. That you chose to lie and say I in any way intimated or said that shows your true character.
You fail. I hate racism in all it's permutations and festering morphs.
I have only commented on the irresponsible hate and libel displayed by that fool TBogg.

Expect to be called out vigorously on your falsehoods and innuendo.

TBogg is an opinionator. That's it. no more, no less. There is no libel here, only schadenfreude published as opinion.

Is it offensive? On some levels, yes. Is it any worse than the constant stream of hate and bile that emanates from the likes of Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin or Erick Erickson?

Not even close.


His "opinions" published as thus come dangerously close to meriting legal scrutiny. As I posted, and you concur he IS indeed full of schadenfreude.

It IS offensive on some levels, hence my opinion and posts.

The other fools you mention are irrelevant in this conversation and it makes no sense or difference to drag them into this discussion.
When diarrhea that spills forth from their pieholes gets a submit here I will pull them apart as well. I believe in calling out BS from all sides.
 
2014-02-16 12:27:37 PM  

X-boxershorts: s2s2s2: There is documented evidence of Trayvon's having attacked George.

Not really. Only testimony presented in court from the police interviews.

Here's a martial arts instructor calling bullshiat on some of the more critical of that testimony....I know, it's only speculative.

http://politicalblindspot.com/martial-arts-instructor-proves-george- zi mmerman-lied/


[politicalblindspot.org image 768x573]


fark you. fark you and your facts. Zimmerman threads are fact free zones.
 
2014-02-16 12:27:57 PM  

gja: X-boxershorts: gja: LoneWolf343: Unless they are black and wearing a hoodie. Then they are clearly up to no good.


Racism is YOUR construct here, LW. That you chose to lie and say I in any way intimated or said that shows your true character.
You fail. I hate racism in all it's permutations and festering morphs.
I have only commented on the irresponsible hate and libel displayed by that fool TBogg.

Expect to be called out vigorously on your falsehoods and innuendo.

TBogg is an opinionator. That's it. no more, no less. There is no libel here, only schadenfreude published as opinion.

Is it offensive? On some levels, yes. Is it any worse than the constant stream of hate and bile that emanates from the likes of Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin or Erick Erickson?

Not even close.

His "opinions" published as thus come dangerously close to meriting legal scrutiny. As I posted, and you concur he IS indeed full of schadenfreude.

It IS offensive on some levels, hence my opinion and posts.

The other fools you mention are irrelevant in this conversation and it makes no sense or difference to drag them into this discussion.
When diarrhea that spills forth from their pieholes gets a submit here I will pull them apart as well. I believe in calling out BS from all sides.


No doubt. And certainly, that horse just ain't dead enough yet. Your work here is not finished.
 
2014-02-16 12:28:58 PM  

cretinbob: X-boxershorts: s2s2s2: There is documented evidence of Trayvon's having attacked George.

Not really. Only testimony presented in court from the police interviews.

Here's a martial arts instructor calling bullshiat on some of the more critical of that testimony....I know, it's only speculative.

http://politicalblindspot.com/martial-arts-instructor-proves-george- zi mmerman-lied/


[politicalblindspot.org image 768x573]

fark you. fark you and your facts. Zimmerman threads are fact free zones.


And gun porn. Don't forget the gun porn.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-02-16 12:33:58 PM  

X-boxershorts: gja: X-boxershorts: gja: LoneWolf343: Unless they are black and wearing a hoodie. Then they are clearly up to no good.


Racism is YOUR construct here, LW. That you chose to lie and say I in any way intimated or said that shows your true character.
You fail. I hate racism in all it's permutations and festering morphs.
I have only commented on the irresponsible hate and libel displayed by that fool TBogg.

Expect to be called out vigorously on your falsehoods and innuendo.

TBogg is an opinionator. That's it. no more, no less. There is no libel here, only schadenfreude published as opinion.

Is it offensive? On some levels, yes. Is it any worse than the constant stream of hate and bile that emanates from the likes of Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin or Erick Erickson?

Not even close.

His "opinions" published as thus come dangerously close to meriting legal scrutiny. As I posted, and you concur he IS indeed full of schadenfreude.

It IS offensive on some levels, hence my opinion and posts.

The other fools you mention are irrelevant in this conversation and it makes no sense or difference to drag them into this discussion.
When diarrhea that spills forth from their pieholes gets a submit here I will pull them apart as well. I believe in calling out BS from all sides.

No doubt. And certainly, that horse just ain't dead enough yet. Your work here is not finished.


No worries. I can have friends help me with the workload.....
piloseo.com
 
2014-02-16 12:37:08 PM  
img.fark.net

Notice how the blood in the RH picture is all flowing towards the face. Kinda suggests an upright position at the time of injury and not, as he testified, flat on his back.

Trayvon may be no saint, but I'm damn certain Mr Zimmerman lied his ass off to avoid the consequences of his poor judgment.
 
2014-02-16 12:40:00 PM  

s2s2s2: vygramul: s2s2s2: Since you demand evidence, please cite your evidence for a sucker punch from Zimmerman. Trayvon had scuffed knuckles, zimm had a broken nose. Zimm had no damage to his knuckles, and the only other injury Trayvon had was a gunshot wound.

There's as much reason to think Zimmerman started it as Martin did. That's the entire point.

And you can assault someone without causing a noticeable abrasion to your knuckles.

No there isn't. You want there to be, but there is absolutely no reason, save your desire, to assume George in any way initiated an attack. There is documented evidence of Trayvon's having attacked George.


No there isn't. All there is evidence of was the Trayvon was winning the fight. Sorry, but you don't have anything save your desire to believe the guy who killed someone that he didn't start it.

No matter how much you really want to believe Trayvon started it, you don't have the evidence to support such a belief.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-02-16 12:40:46 PM  

X-boxershorts: [img.fark.net image 474x224]

Notice how the blood in the RH picture is all flowing towards the face. Kinda suggests an upright position at the time of injury and not, as he testified, flat on his back.

Trayvon may be no saint, but I'm damn certain Mr Zimmerman lied his ass off to avoid the consequences of his poor judgment.


Life seems to have already caught up with him and took care of that issue. From any point of view his life is crap.
 
2014-02-16 12:41:31 PM  

X-boxershorts: Not really. Only testimony presented in court from the police interviews.


More accurate to say that we only have Zimmerman's word on it. No witness has been conjured up to verify Martin made the first hostile act.
 
2014-02-16 01:28:23 PM  

People_are_Idiots: One must admit too that Tray-Tray made a couple of mistakes. First, he shouldn't look like someone who is going to rob a store (ie leave off the hood). Secondly, when you realize you're being followed, turn and confront the follower nicely (a simple "Hey how ya doin'?" and a smile works for me). Thirdly, do NOT try to invoke someone's anger, especially in a state with concealed carry.


Your name is apt.
 
2014-02-16 02:51:38 PM  

vygramul: Yes, you're speculating who started the fight.


No, i never once said who started it.  It is irrelevant and only dear to people who hold "but he got out of his car after the cops told him not to" so close to their chest.

In fact, I said it simply didn't matter who started it.

It would have been 100% ok with me if Trayvon got scared at being followed or angry the cracker.... and walked up and said "You got a problem?"  [SOCK in the face knocking fatboy to the ground]

This is still technically crime, but I would not prosecute him for it.

Martins problem was mounting fattie for a minute or two.   Leaving someone no escape while they cry out for help
like a little girl is problematic.  It allows someone to use non reciprocal force against you.


Martin had and easy out.  He could have run home and been inside before FayBoy even managed to roll himself to hit feet.

Martin chose not to take the easy way out.  That's why he is dead.
 
2014-02-16 03:00:26 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: In fact, I said it simply didn't matter who started it.


Of course you think that.

Because, in the event that you brought that into your mind, you would have to conclude how easy it would have been for the entire fight to not have been started in the first place by, you know, staying in your car and calling the cops.

As I said before. Smoked all his life and now has lung cancer. Tragic, but are you really surprised.

Nutsac_Jim: Martin chose not to take the easy way out.  That's why he is dead.


No. He's dead because he was confronted by a man who had no business doing so, and who escalated the situation by doing so to a point where he "had" to use lethal force.

There are no winners in this. There are no good guys. There are two people who's lives are irreversibly destroyed. Only Zimmerman's enough of a douchebag that we can find schadenfreude in things like this happening to him.
 
2014-02-16 03:13:55 PM  

hardinparamedic: This whole debacle could have been avoided by him doing what any other person would have done. Not get out of his car and follow someone he thought was a threat to the neighborhood to begin with alone.


You are applying your own person view on society.  Shall we not generalize?

There are plenty of people who hear a scuffle and hide in their house, for fear it will somehow make its way into the residence.  Others, they will open the door and check out what is going on.

You are applying your own pussiness on the rest of the world.  There is nothing wrong with a guy that sees a something unusual, and calling the police, and when the threat moves, following to keep the police informed.

Nothing any more wrong than sitting in the car.
 
2014-02-16 03:28:07 PM  

Olo Manolo: Electrify:
And Zimmerman is the neighborhood watch, his job is to watch and call the police. If he chooses to disobey the dispatcher, he is in part responsible for anything which happens afterwards.

Disobey:  To refuse to follow an order or rule.

Dispatchers, once again, can not issue orders. They did not issue orders. They said "We don't need you to do that". That is a declarative sentence, not used to issue a command, therefore there was nothing to disobey. Had the dispatcher said "Do not do that" and if they had any legal power whatsoever to make such a command, then I could see where you were coming from. however, outside of those constraints, it just isn't correct.


If you are ever held hostage in a bank, and you are calling 911 from underneath a table, and you tell the dispatcher you have a good shot at the guy, and the dispatcher tells you not to shoot, and you do it anyways, and things go south from there, telling the police that the dispatcher doesn't have any legal authority ain't gonna help you out.

And it doesn't matter if the dispatcher had "legal authority" or not, it is a red herring at best. Besides the fact that you don't call 911 to get someone's second opinion, you don't go running after someone you believe to be armed and dangerous unless you are a trained officer, which Zimmerman was not.
 
2014-02-16 03:32:09 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Yes, you're speculating who started the fight.

No, i never once said who started it.  It is irrelevant and only dear to people who hold "but he got out of his car after the cops told him not to" so close to their chest.

In fact, I said it simply didn't matter who started it.

It would have been 100% ok with me if Trayvon got scared at being followed or angry the cracker.... and walked up and said "You got a problem?"  [SOCK in the face knocking fatboy to the ground]

This is still technically crime, but I would not prosecute him for it.

Martins problem was mounting fattie for a minute or two.   Leaving someone no escape while they cry out for help
like a little girl is problematic.  It allows someone to use non reciprocal force against you.


Martin had and easy out.  He could have run home and been inside before FayBoy even managed to roll himself to hit feet.

Martin chose not to take the easy way out.  That's why he is dead.


So your statement about how Zimmerman earning a beating just by walking down the sidewalk didn't preclude the possibility he started a fight?

Interesting.
 
2014-02-16 03:34:26 PM  

hardinparamedic: Nutsac_Jim: Martin chose not to take the easy way out.  That's why he is dead.


No. He's dead because he was confronted by a man who had no business doing so, and who escalated the situation by doing so to a point where he "had" to use lethal force


Oh I see.  You were there.  Why did you not volunteer your services to the prosecution?

Oh, you mean you just pulled "he was confronted by a man" out of your ass?   Fair enough.


Keep smoking.  "He got out of is car, and I don't approve" is never going to be a legitimate argument.

Mounting a guy, on the other hand, is a bad move, and only three things can happen.
"It happens badly for you"
"It happens badly for the other guy"

Getting out of the car is irrelevant.  When they met up, one of them could have said "Excuse me kind sir, I have not seen you before in mine neighborhood, do you need assistance?"

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that neither one said that.

getting out of car = legal
following someone = legal
asking them questions = legal.
mounting them = not legal

Punch him in the face, knock him down, toss a good insult, run off, and live.
 
2014-02-16 04:00:36 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: hardinparamedic: Nutsac_Jim: Martin chose not to take the easy way out.  That's why he is dead.


No. He's dead because he was confronted by a man who had no business doing so, and who escalated the situation by doing so to a point where he "had" to use lethal force

Oh I see.  You were there.  Why did you not volunteer your services to the prosecution?

Oh, you mean you just pulled "he was confronted by a man" out of your ass?   Fair enough.


Keep smoking.  "He got out of is car, and I don't approve" is never going to be a legitimate argument.

Mounting a guy, on the other hand, is a bad move, and only three things can happen.
"It happens badly for you"
"It happens badly for the other guy"

Getting out of the car is irrelevant.  When they met up, one of them could have said "Excuse me kind sir, I have not seen you before in mine neighborhood, do you need assistance?"

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that neither one said that.

getting out of car = legal
following someone = legal
asking them questions = legal.
mounting them = not legal

Punch him in the face, knock him down, toss a good insult, run off, and live.


Little Trayvon mounting the chunky Mr Zimmerman has been disputed too.
Separate witness accounts made conflicting reports of who mounted whom.

And close in combat experts (not myself either, but I have linked to it up above) have made compelling arguments that Mr Zimmerman's account of things is not very believable.

I mean, you can continue to hold onto the idea that the little guy was beating the crap out of the big guy with the gun,
but that's just as much in dispute as that which you criticize.
 
2014-02-16 04:08:58 PM  
You know, it doesn't matter that Zimmerman got out of the car to follow him. And it doesn't even matter who started the fight. BECAUSE THERE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A FIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

When Zimmerman encountered Martin, this is how it should have played out:

Zimmerman: Neighborhood watch (shows ID), who are you?

Martin: My name is Trayvon, I recently moved into the area. I just went to buy some junk food for the football game.

Zimmerman: Oh, sorry if I scared you. There have been a few break ins in the area, and I thought you looked kind of suspicious.

Martin: It's cool.

Zimmerman: Let me make it up to ya. I've got some beer in my truck, why don't I bring it in and we can watch the rest of the game together?

Martin: Sounds good.
 
2014-02-16 04:36:48 PM  

Electrify: You know, it doesn't matter that Zimmerman got out of the car to follow him. And it doesn't even matter who started the fight. BECAUSE THERE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A FIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

When Zimmerman encountered Martin, this is how it should have played out:

Zimmerman: Neighborhood watch (shows ID), who are you?

Martin: My name is Trayvon, I recently moved into the area. I just went to buy some junk food for the football game.

Zimmerman: Oh, sorry if I scared you. There have been a few break ins in the area, and I thought you looked kind of suspicious.

Martin: It's cool.

Zimmerman: Let me make it up to ya. I've got some beer in my truck, why don't I bring it in and we can watch the rest of the game together?

Martin: Sounds good.


You know, I was GOING to make a joke about providing alcohol to minors, and wanting to get the charge right I looked it up.

In VA, there's an exception (which obviously doesn't apply here but is fascinating nonetheless): a parent/guardian may provide alcohol to their kids in their own homes.

Wow.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-02-16 05:08:21 PM  

X-boxershorts: Nutsac_Jim: hardinparamedic: Nutsac_Jim: Martin chose not to take the easy way out.  That's why he is dead.


No. He's dead because he was confronted by a man who had no business doing so, and who escalated the situation by doing so to a point where he "had" to use lethal force

Oh I see.  You were there.  Why did you not volunteer your services to the prosecution?

Oh, you mean you just pulled "he was confronted by a man" out of your ass?   Fair enough.


Keep smoking.  "He got out of is car, and I don't approve" is never going to be a legitimate argument.

Mounting a guy, on the other hand, is a bad move, and only three things can happen.
"It happens badly for you"
"It happens badly for the other guy"

Getting out of the car is irrelevant.  When they met up, one of them could have said "Excuse me kind sir, I have not seen you before in mine neighborhood, do you need assistance?"

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that neither one said that.

getting out of car = legal
following someone = legal
asking them questions = legal.
mounting them = not legal

Punch him in the face, knock him down, toss a good insult, run off, and live.

Little Trayvon mounting the chunky Mr Zimmerman has been disputed too.
Separate witness accounts made conflicting reports of who mounted whom.

And close in combat experts (not myself either, but I have linked to it up above) have made compelling arguments that Mr Zimmerman's account of things is not very believable.

I mean, you can continue to hold onto the idea that the little guy was beating the crap out of the big guy with the gun,
but that's just as much in dispute as that which you criticize.


Bleah, FFS can we please stop using the word MOUNT? The visual could substitute for an emetic.
 
2014-02-16 05:34:32 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: hardinparamedic: Nutsac_Jim: Martin chose not to take the easy way out.  That's why he is dead.


No. He's dead because he was confronted by a man who had no business doing so, and who escalated the situation by doing so to a point where he "had" to use lethal force

Oh I see.  You were there.  Why did you not volunteer your services to the prosecution?

Oh, you mean you just pulled "he was confronted by a man" out of your ass?   Fair enough.


Keep smoking.  "He got out of is car, and I don't approve" is never going to be a legitimate argument.

Mounting a guy, on the other hand, is a bad move, and only three things can happen.
"It happens badly for you"
"It happens badly for the other guy"

Getting out of the car is irrelevant.  When they met up, one of them could have said "Excuse me kind sir, I have not seen you before in mine neighborhood, do you need assistance?"

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that neither one said that.

getting out of car = legal
following someone = legal
asking them questions = legal.
mounting them = not legal

Punch him in the face, knock him down, toss a good insult, run off, and live.


If someone got out of his car and followed me on a dark, deserted path he'd have about 2 seconds to make it very clear that his intentions were benign before he got a face full of pepper spray.    The idea that you are free to stalk someone is bullshiat.
 
2014-02-16 05:44:10 PM  

Graffito: Nutsac_Jim: hardinparamedic: Nutsac_Jim: Martin chose not to take the easy way out.  That's why he is dead.


No. He's dead because he was confronted by a man who had no business doing so, and who escalated the situation by doing so to a point where he "had" to use lethal force

Oh I see.  You were there.  Why did you not volunteer your services to the prosecution?

Oh, you mean you just pulled "he was confronted by a man" out of your ass?   Fair enough.


Keep smoking.  "He got out of is car, and I don't approve" is never going to be a legitimate argument.

Mounting a guy, on the other hand, is a bad move, and only three things can happen.
"It happens badly for you"
"It happens badly for the other guy"

Getting out of the car is irrelevant.  When they met up, one of them could have said "Excuse me kind sir, I have not seen you before in mine neighborhood, do you need assistance?"

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that neither one said that.

getting out of car = legal
following someone = legal
asking them questions = legal.
mounting them = not legal

Punch him in the face, knock him down, toss a good insult, run off, and live.

If someone got out of his car and followed me on a dark, deserted path he'd have about 2 seconds to make it very clear that his intentions were benign before he got a face full of pepper spray.    The idea that you are free to stalk someone is bullshiat.


If Martin had a CCW license and shot first, essentially standing his ground, I wonder how many people who support Zimmerman would support Martin?

Great way to weed out the racists from the gun nuts.
 
2014-02-16 05:48:50 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Martin had and easy out. He could have run home and been inside before FayBoy even managed to roll himself to hit feet.


And shown the "creepy" guy with a gun exactly where he lived.
 
2014-02-16 07:23:04 PM  

TheJoe03: Olo Manolo: TheJoe03: All I'm saying is that you can defend Zimmerman without using obvious racial language, it makes your side and your point more kosher. If this really wasn't about race like your side claims, why use race in your initial arguments. Wait for the other side to bring in race and say race wasn't a part of it and here's why what Zimmerman did was just. It makes the argument clearer from your perspective and makes people on the fence not think you ARE actually a racist that rooted against the general black position based on your view on historic American race relations. I clearly separate posters like you from non racist people that think Zimmerman was acting in reasonable self defense.


And you can reserve use of the term "racist" for people that deserve it. Just because you feel something was meant in a derogatory manner, doesn't mean it inherently is so.. If you had been watching me say the same thing I just said, but on tv (where you would assume I was black based on my appearance, instead of assuming I was white based on my "racism") nothing I said would have triggered your "That's racist!" response. It's a ridiculous double standard, but that's clearly the way it works.

That's a serious dodge of what I said. If this wasn't about race why constantly use racial language? It makes your argument weak and makes you appear to be racists to other people.


This coming from the guy that says "Calm down angry white guy. "
 
2014-02-16 07:26:56 PM  

gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: This thread is certainly full of names I've never seen before, defending Zimmerman and pooping all over Rawstory.

I am NOT defending RS, but RS is a pocketful-of-assholes.
And Tom Boggioni is a bigger asshole than I can express.
His package of libel based schadenfreude and vitriol shows his true character.

Mr B's lack of tact notwithstanding, I'm more acutely aware of a bunch of troll alts screaming foul over what is at worst a bad joke. But, surprise surprise, people get "vitriolic" when someone kills an unarmed kid and gets away with it, and derive pleasure from what little vengeance they are allowed. Who'd have thunk it? If it wasn't for the criminal incompetence of the authorities in the matter, Zimmerman would have been forgotten by now.

You ASSUME the blog is a "bad joke". I do not think so. TBogg is a shiatbag who has also been caught nearing the outskirts of antisemitism.
Before I made any judgement I read a load of his stuff, and then drew conclusion. He is an asshole. Lack of tact does not approach his failings.

And as far as what happened in trial, we ALL need to just own that it was decided and nothing further can be said or done.
Zimm was never found innocent, BTW, they just failed to find him guilty of the charges as specified.

That says more about you than it does about TBogg.

Yes it does, that I judge a person on the merits of their actions. That you think otherwise lets us all know where you live at.

Unless they are black and wearing a hoodie. Then they are clearly up to no good.

LIAR! I never mentioned or alluded to Trayvon. Point out where I said he was up to no good. You can't.
So now you are trying a misdirect. You are a COWARD and an asshole for bringing racist crap into this.


What you are saying only makes sense if you assume that Martin was under reasonable suspicion of a crime first. He was not. He was just a person in what Zimmerman deemed the wrong neighborhood. Scream and pound your fists all you like, but your reasoning is clear.
 
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