Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Raw Story)   George Zimmerman no longer has a home to overzealously defend   (rawstory.com) divider line 467
    More: Cool, George Zimmerman, Ground warfare, homeless  
•       •       •

16271 clicks; posted to Main » on 15 Feb 2014 at 5:52 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



467 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | » | Last | Show all
 
2014-02-16 12:16:21 AM  

atomicmask: http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense/

Was suspended 3 times for dealing drugs and doing them at school.


That link does not back up that statement. "Items taken from Trayvon Martin's cell phone -- including a text-message discussion of drug use and pictures of a gun and marijuana plants". Nothing about school, nothing about suspension, nothing about any real evidence of drug use.

Other articles (like http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Trayvon-Martin-Suspended-From-School-Thre e-Times-Report-144403305.html) do indeed mention that he was "suspended three times in a series of incidents that included getting caught spraying graffiti and carrying an empty baggie with traces of marijuana"..."Martin's third suspension was for tardiness and truancy". So, ONE suspension had to do with drugs, and only barely.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/florida/features/2013/oh_florida/ tr ayvon_martin_creepy_ass_cracker_what_cracker_means_in_florida.html

Called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker" went home, turned around and came out side to "whip his ass"


Sorry, again, not supported by actual evidence. Rachel Jeantel actually said that ""I called him back. I asked him where he was," she recounted. He told her that he was nearly back at this father's fiancée's house in Sanford." [Emphasis added]. Considering he had walked a mile or so back from the store, being a few hundred feet away from home would easily be considered "nearly" home. So, there is basically NO evidence that Trayvon "went home, turned around" and came back.

To the contrary, it was Zimmerman who was looking for Trayvon. From the Timeline:

7:11:33 - Zimmerman tells the police dispatcher that Trayvon Martin is running.

7:11:59 - In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman responds with, "Yes." Dispatcher: "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman: "OK."

...

7:16:11 - First 911 call from witness about a fight, calls for help heard.


Note that it only took Zimmerman about 30 seconds to get from his car (he exited the car when he told the police Trayvon was running), to the point where he was told "We don't need you to [follow Trayvon]", and acknowledged it with "okay". So, it should only have taken him 30 seconds to get back to his vehicle. Yet, Over 4 MINUTES later, he was still in back of the buildings, in a fight with Trayvon. Why? Because he DIDN'T head back to his vehicle, he kept looking for Trayvon!

Also, check out http://viewfromll2.com/2012/04/05/minute-by-minute-timeline-of-trayvon -martins-death/ , which has this:

7:14pm: There is approximately a one minute, thirty second period for which we have very little information about what occurred, from around 17:14:00 until 17:15:30. Zimmerman apparently keeps searching for Trayvon during this time period, and phone records show that Trayvon is still on the phone with DeeDee. Also during this period of time, neither party moves particularly far from their estimated locations at 7:13:00pm; it appears that they were either (1) walking extremely slowly, (2) had stopped somewhere before resuming movement, or (3) were taking non-direct paths. It's possible that Trayvon, like Zimmerman when he refused to give his house number out, was worried about the stalker following him home and figuring out where he lived, so Trayvon did not run straight back, instead feinting one way before looping back around. Another possibility is that Trayvon, thinking he'd lost Zimmerman, was dawdling on his walk back home in order to finish his phone call with DeeDee - possibly because Trayvon, like most 17 year olds, generally prefers to have his phone calls with his significant other out of ear shot of his parents. [emphasis added]

Maybe you should read a bit.

Indeed. Thinking helps, too.
 
2014-02-16 12:17:47 AM  
Who knows, if this continually get worse for old George he could consider suicide or maybe go on a spree killing and then commit suicide, or go on a spree killing and not commit suicide, or go on a spree killing and get killed, or....

The possibilities are endless.
 
2014-02-16 12:18:47 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: fredklein: No. "Zimmy" should have minded his own damn business and not followed Trayvon around the neighborhood.

Most criminal behavior is, indeed, foiled by someone not minding their own business.  Despite fantasy, it isnt by cops just happening to be driving by.....


So, um, exactly what crime was Trayvon committing? Walking While Black?
 
2014-02-16 12:23:26 AM  

fredklein: Nutsac_Jim: fredklein: No. "Zimmy" should have minded his own damn business and not followed Trayvon around the neighborhood.

Most criminal behavior is, indeed, foiled by someone not minding their own business.  Despite fantasy, it isnt by cops just happening to be driving by.....

So, um, exactly what crime was Trayvon committing? Walking While Black?


For some reason, we're allowed to speculate all kinds of nasty things about Martin because he is dead, and we're allowed to take Zimmerman at his word because he said so. The rational position is to admit not knowing who started the fight. But people aren't comfortable with that because it introduces doubt that would require ignoring substantial cognitive dissonance to continue to take sides.

And this isn't just the Zimmerman people.
 
2014-02-16 12:26:06 AM  

vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: Zimmerman didn't intervene.  He stopped nothing.   He simply followed the young chap until the police told him not to do so.

You are inserting an awful lot of omniscience in there with your assertion that his behavior is caused by him having a gun.  Plenty of people do unrecommended/unwise things all the time.  He simply happened to be carrying.  This forethought likely saved him from further damage after someone tried to teach him a lesson.

You're right, he stopped nothing. Despite following Martin. His Neighborhood Watch training was explicit in deprecating leaving the car to see where Martin went. Had he not done so, no crime would have been committed, and no one would have gotten their ass kicked and no one would be dead.


So basically, if zimmerman didnt walk around in a shirt and fark me pumps, he wouldnt have been there to rape.  I think you are right.  Rape is a woman's fault.
 
2014-02-16 12:27:42 AM  

vygramul: Olo Manolo: vygramul:

You're right, he stopped nothing. Despite following Martin. His Neighborhood Watch training was explicit in deprecating leaving the car to see where Martin went. Had he not done so, no crime would have been committed, and no one would have gotten their ass kicked and no one would be dead.

How can you say that with such confidence? You claim to know how the night would have played out minus the mart/zim interaction?  I am certainly jealous of your omniscience.

So Zimmerman was innocently walking down the street but Martin was guiltily walking down the street? It's ok to assume innocent intent on the part of Zimmerman but not Martin?

Who's the omniscient one who gets to differentiate between the two?


You know what omniscient means, right??  Had I stated "Yes, crimes definitely would have occured that night if zimmerman hadn't been involved" then your "nuh uh! you are!" statement might not have made you look like a whiney child with less than awesome comprehension skills. Instead, however, I was simply questioning how you could definitively know the alternate outcome of a situation that you presumably had nothing to do with in the first place. I claimed no knowledge, just questioned yours.

You, on the other hand, claimed that "No laws would have been broken that night" which is quite clearly something you have no possible way of knowing. (but if you do, please tell me. I want to know your secrets, it's not fair for you to keep them bottled up like that)
 
2014-02-16 12:29:05 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Olo Manolo: How do you ignore the part where the martin walked away, he WENT ELSEWHERE UNHARMED, aka situation over. Then RETURNED to pummel Zimmerman... If you get away from a situation safely, no harm done, then return to the situation aggressively, that is not self defense. That is looking for trouble. But go ahead, tell me more about the perfect little angel who was known for his kindness and compassion that was tracked down for several blocks by a rabid racist and shot in the back for fun...

How do you ignore the part where Zimmerman was told by the police to stop following Martin and he ignored them?  If the police tell you to stop following a suspicious individual, you don't then get to claim you're an innocent victim when you ignore them.

Also, thinking Zimmerman f*cked up and someone died as a direct result ≠ thinking Martin is an angel.  I'm sorry if your binary thinking can't grasp that concept, but it's entirely possible to think that both people involved in that altercation were less than stellar human beings.


Can you illustrate where he was "told by the police"?   As I understand it, he was talking to a 911 operator.  NOT a 911 dispatcher, and NOT the police.  The operator is similar to a call center.  Like the ones you call to change your auto-insurance policy.  They have no authority to issue orders.  Furthermore he did not ever order GZ to "stop following" and he also testified in court (the actual operator on the phone) that his "sir we don't need you to do that" was not about ordering zimmerman back to his vehicle, but was about LIABILITY FOR THE POLICE DEPT.  This was part of the court testimony, which you OBVIOUSLY know NOTHING about.

When you're going to debate and argue something it often is a good idea TO KNOW WHAT THE FARK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
 
2014-02-16 12:30:19 AM  

vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Facts not in evidence. We only have Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight.


Zimmerman asked for the beating, apparently, because he chose to walk down the sidewalk at an unapproved time.

Martin asked for a beating followed by a shooting, apparently, because he chose to walk down the sidewalk at an unapproved time.


Martin got a beating?    He did get a shooting, deservedly.

Most men don't like to be mounted.  Martin chose the wrong man to mount.
 
2014-02-16 12:33:39 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: grimlock1972: the real tragedy of all of this is if Zimmerman had listened to the police dispatcher and not followed the kid no one need have died that night.

Tell you what.. when you bank a bridesmaid at a wedding, tell your wife that if the bridesmaid you banged just stayed with the rest of the wedding party, she never would have tripped and fallen on your dick, and see how far that gets you.


Dude WTF?

There is no arguing the fact if Zimmerman had not followed the kid he would not found himself in a situation where he would have afraid for his life.
 
2014-02-16 12:34:02 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: LoneWolf343: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime worth of stalking and confrontation?

While he was on the phone with the cops.

Most stalkers, when committing crimes, do not do it so police can conveniently record their behavior.

He might be an exceptional stalker, though.


I'll comment that zimmerman was told the police didnt need him to follow him and zimmerman said 'ok'

Martin, he went home and turned back to teach cracker ass a lesson.    So did Martin stalk zimmerman and confront him?


you guys and your 'stalk'....


"An exceptionally dumb one" is an assessment I doubt any reasonable person could argue with. Still, he got away with stalking, engaging, and killing an unarmed boy, so maybe he knows something that I wouldn't have in that situation, probably having something do with racial politics...
 
2014-02-16 12:34:58 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: Zimmerman didn't intervene.  He stopped nothing.   He simply followed the young chap until the police told him not to do so.

You are inserting an awful lot of omniscience in there with your assertion that his behavior is caused by him having a gun.  Plenty of people do unrecommended/unwise things all the time.  He simply happened to be carrying.  This forethought likely saved him from further damage after someone tried to teach him a lesson.

You're right, he stopped nothing. Despite following Martin. His Neighborhood Watch training was explicit in deprecating leaving the car to see where Martin went. Had he not done so, no crime would have been committed, and no one would have gotten their ass kicked and no one would be dead.

So basically, if zimmerman didnt walk around in a shirt and fark me pumps, he wouldnt have been there to rape.  I think you are right.  Rape is a woman's fault.



If you're trying to use the analogy of Zimmerman as a rape victim, you may want to entertain the fact that most rape victims don't stop and stare at potential rapists and then start walking after them.
 
2014-02-16 12:36:19 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: TheJoe03: I don't like him cause he was such a wannabe cop that the kid died, it all seemed avoidable. Zimmerman wanted to serve vigilante justice and now people hate him. Boo hoo.

Indeed.

What would have happened if Martin just went in the house instead of going back to teach cracker-ass a lesson?  Zimmerman sniffs the footprints and enters the house and shoots everyone?


Calm down angry white guy.
 
2014-02-16 12:37:42 AM  

vygramul: atomicmask: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Facts not in evidence. We only have Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight.

That and the witnesses...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-beaten-prosecution-witness es /story?id=19517236

But I mean keep denying facts and making up the "sweet black baby" story you keep grasping at.

Just because he lost the fight didn't mean he didn't start it.


Gotcha.  It could have been aliens too.


It doesnt really matter if martin started it or zimmerman started it.

You just dont get on top of a guy and mount them.  That was Martins mistake.

Martin should just have walked up and said "You want some of this <POW> " and knocked fatty to the ground.  Then Martin runs off,   having proven his superiority.  For fun, and insults, he can yell "Im going to go give some more to your momma "

But he didn't.

Zimmerman made a bad choice.  Martin made a bad choice.  Martin just needed to realize that he isnt the only one that has a gun.
 
2014-02-16 12:38:02 AM  
Nutsac_Jim:

Most men don't like to be mounted.

Speak for yourself, cowboy...
 
2014-02-16 12:40:02 AM  

Thunderpipes: SilentStrider: clancifer: I wonder if he has begun to regret his little vigilante hunt & kill episode.

doubtful. more likely he's blaming it on the bleeding heart libs.

It is your fault. You make criminals like Traypack, defend them. He did a heroic deed. Hopefully he sues the media. NBC or ABC, whoever it was that doctored 911 call on national TV is up crap creek.

George is a national Stormfront.org hero.


Fixed that for you.
 
2014-02-16 12:40:54 AM  

grimlock1972: Nutsac_Jim: grimlock1972: the real tragedy of all of this is if Zimmerman had listened to the police dispatcher and not followed the kid no one need have died that night.

Tell you what.. when you bank a bridesmaid at a wedding, tell your wife that if the bridesmaid you banged just stayed with the rest of the wedding party, she never would have tripped and fallen on your dick, and see how far that gets you.

Dude WTF?

There is no arguing the fact if Zimmerman had not followed the kid he would not found himself in a situation where he would have afraid for his life.


Of course one can.  Idiots do this all the time.   They pick one event.   Then pick a later event.  They then ignore 1,000 other events in between and conclude that one even resulted in the next.
 
2014-02-16 12:41:19 AM  

grimlock1972: Nutsac_Jim: grimlock1972: the real tragedy of all of this is if Zimmerman had listened to the police dispatcher and not followed the kid no one need have died that night.

Tell you what.. when you bank a bridesmaid at a wedding, tell your wife that if the bridesmaid you banged just stayed with the rest of the wedding party, she never would have tripped and fallen on your dick, and see how far that gets you.

Dude WTF?

There is no arguing the fact if Zimmerman had not followed the kid he would not found himself in a situation where he would have afraid for his life.



Well then there is no arguing the fact that if TM had just gone home when he had 3-4 min to cover a mere 100 or so yards, he would not have found himself in a situation where he had an onset of accute lead poisoning.
 
2014-02-16 12:42:00 AM  

TheJoe03: Nutsac_Jim: TheJoe03: I don't like him cause he was such a wannabe cop that the kid died, it all seemed avoidable. Zimmerman wanted to serve vigilante justice and now people hate him. Boo hoo.

Indeed.

What would have happened if Martin just went in the house instead of going back to teach cracker-ass a lesson?  Zimmerman sniffs the footprints and enters the house and shoots everyone?

Calm down angry white guy.


Sorry mister racist.
 
2014-02-16 12:42:08 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: Zimmerman didn't intervene.  He stopped nothing.   He simply followed the young chap until the police told him not to do so.

You are inserting an awful lot of omniscience in there with your assertion that his behavior is caused by him having a gun.  Plenty of people do unrecommended/unwise things all the time.  He simply happened to be carrying.  This forethought likely saved him from further damage after someone tried to teach him a lesson.

You're right, he stopped nothing. Despite following Martin. His Neighborhood Watch training was explicit in deprecating leaving the car to see where Martin went. Had he not done so, no crime would have been committed, and no one would have gotten their ass kicked and no one would be dead.

So basically, if zimmerman didnt walk around in a shirt and fark me pumps, he wouldnt have been there to rape.  I think you are right.  Rape is a woman's fault.


Your argument continues to rely on speculation and not the proven facts of the case.
 
2014-02-16 12:42:58 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: TheJoe03: Nutsac_Jim: TheJoe03: I don't like him cause he was such a wannabe cop that the kid died, it all seemed avoidable. Zimmerman wanted to serve vigilante justice and now people hate him. Boo hoo.

Indeed.

What would have happened if Martin just went in the house instead of going back to teach cracker-ass a lesson?  Zimmerman sniffs the footprints and enters the house and shoots everyone?

Calm down angry white guy.

Sorry mister racist.


How exactly am I racist? Are you projecting?
 
2014-02-16 12:43:50 AM  

atomicmask: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Facts not in evidence. We only have Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight.

That and the witnesses...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-beaten-prosecution-witness es /story?id=19517236

But I mean keep denying facts and making up the "sweet black baby" story you keep grasping at.


Um, Nope. Read the very first paragraph in the linked article:

"Two witnesses called by the prosecution today described George Zimmerman as being on the losing end of a fight with Trayvon Martin in the moments before Zimmerman shot the Florida teenager. "

There is nothing there about who STARTED the fight, just who was losing it later. For all we know, Zimmerman could have jumped Trayvon. Or Trayvon could have jumped Zimmerman. We don't know for sure.

But... we can make an educated guess by looking at their behaviors before the confrontation. Let's call them "A" and "B".

A was suspicious of B for no reason other than B was "just walking around, looking about." I mean, how DARE a black kid be in themy neighborhood. Walking and looking around! Isn't it the law that blacks are to stare at their feet as they walk?

A made the comment that "These assholes they always get away", in reference to B. So, he already lumped B in with criminals who 'get away', which shows he was already biased against B, for no reason except he was black.

A decides to get out of his vehicle and continue to follow B, despite being told this was not necessary. Thus proving he wanted to confront B- He didn't "need" to follow him, he wanted to follow him!

A continues to hunt for B for several minutes, instead of returning to his vehicle.

A was armed.

On the other hand...

B was minding his own business, just trying to get home, when he was followed by A.

B tried to get away from A, leaving the road and going behind the buildings. Only to have A follow him on foot.

B expressed that A was "creepy" -"causing an unpleasant feeling of fear or unease." He was AFRAID of A.

B was unarmed.

Now, looking at that, who is the most likely to start a confrontation- the biased, armed guy wanting to find and confront the other, or the fearful guy trying to get away?
 
2014-02-16 12:45:08 AM  

Olo Manolo: vygramul: Olo Manolo: vygramul:

You're right, he stopped nothing. Despite following Martin. His Neighborhood Watch training was explicit in deprecating leaving the car to see where Martin went. Had he not done so, no crime would have been committed, and no one would have gotten their ass kicked and no one would be dead.

How can you say that with such confidence? You claim to know how the night would have played out minus the mart/zim interaction?  I am certainly jealous of your omniscience.

So Zimmerman was innocently walking down the street but Martin was guiltily walking down the street? It's ok to assume innocent intent on the part of Zimmerman but not Martin?

Who's the omniscient one who gets to differentiate between the two?

You know what omniscient means, right??  Had I stated "Yes, crimes definitely would have occured that night if zimmerman hadn't been involved" then your "nuh uh! you are!" statement might not have made you look like a whiney child with less than awesome comprehension skills. Instead, however, I was simply questioning how you could definitively know the alternate outcome of a situation that you presumably had nothing to do with in the first place. I claimed no knowledge, just questioned yours.

You, on the other hand, claimed that "No laws would have been broken that night" which is quite clearly something you have no possible way of knowing. (but if you do, please tell me. I want to know your secrets, it's not fair for you to keep them bottled up like that)


That's true. For all we know, Zimmerman might have broken into the Martin home and killed everyone there. We have no way of knowing for sure.
 
2014-02-16 12:45:27 AM  

CygnusDarius: Well, he better hope he wins that boxing match.


He has plenty of boxing and MMA experience for years and it not like it is a dangerous 90lb kid coming after him this time.
 
2014-02-16 12:46:34 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Facts not in evidence. We only have Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight.


Zimmerman asked for the beating, apparently, because he chose to walk down the sidewalk at an unapproved time.

Martin asked for a beating followed by a shooting, apparently, because he chose to walk down the sidewalk at an unapproved time.

Martin got a beating?    He did get a shooting, deservedly.

Most men don't like to be mounted.  Martin chose the wrong man to mount.


Zimmerman picked the wrong guy to sucker-punch and then had to rely on his weapon to get him out of trouble.

I mean, so long as we're engaging in baseless speculation about who started the fight, mine's as good as yours.
 
2014-02-16 12:47:33 AM  

stoli n coke: If you're trying to use the analogy of Zimmerman as a rape victim, you may want to entertain the fact that most rape victims don't stop and stare at potential rapists and then start walking after them.


Were they walking alone in an unlit street or not.   did people tell them not to do that?  It is their fault.  They have no right to walk on the public street.  Certainly, they deserve it if they are talking on the phone with the cops at the time.  That is obvious they were looking for it.
 
2014-02-16 12:49:09 AM  

TheJoe03: Nutsac_Jim: TheJoe03: Nutsac_Jim: TheJoe03: I don't like him cause he was such a wannabe cop that the kid died, it all seemed avoidable. Zimmerman wanted to serve vigilante justice and now people hate him. Boo hoo.

Indeed.

What would have happened if Martin just went in the house instead of going back to teach cracker-ass a lesson?  Zimmerman sniffs the footprints and enters the house and shoots everyone?

Calm down angry white guy.

Sorry mister racist.

How exactly am I racist? Are you projecting?


Look at that. you cuss so much around the kids you even deny you say it after the kid says 'daddy said fark' and your wife glares at you.
 
2014-02-16 12:49:36 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: atomicmask: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Facts not in evidence. We only have Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight.

That and the witnesses...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-beaten-prosecution-witness es /story?id=19517236

But I mean keep denying facts and making up the "sweet black baby" story you keep grasping at.

Just because he lost the fight didn't mean he didn't start it.

Gotcha.  It could have been aliens too.


It doesnt really matter if martin started it or zimmerman started it.

You just dont get on top of a guy and mount them.  That was Martins mistake.

Martin should just have walked up and said "You want some of this <POW> " and knocked fatty to the ground.  Then Martin runs off,   having proven his superiority.  For fun, and insults, he can yell "Im going to go give some more to your momma "

But he didn't.

Zimmerman made a bad choice.  Martin made a bad choice.  Martin just needed to realize that he isnt the only one that has a gun.


Well, it certainly matters who started it if you're going to make assertions as to Zimmerman's innocently walking down the path.

But, yes, Martin certainly wasn't going to win that fight.
 
2014-02-16 12:50:54 AM  

vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: Zimmerman didn't intervene.  He stopped nothing.   He simply followed the young chap until the police told him not to do so.

You are inserting an awful lot of omniscience in there with your assertion that his behavior is caused by him having a gun.  Plenty of people do unrecommended/unwise things all the time.  He simply happened to be carrying.  This forethought likely saved him from further damage after someone tried to teach him a lesson.

You're right, he stopped nothing. Despite following Martin. His Neighborhood Watch training was explicit in deprecating leaving the car to see where Martin went. Had he not done so, no crime would have been committed, and no one would have gotten their ass kicked and no one would be dead.

So basically, if zimmerman didnt walk around in a shirt and fark me pumps, he wouldnt have been there to rape.  I think you are right.  Rape is a woman's fault.

Your argument continues to rely on speculation and not the proven facts of the case.


Let me get this straight, you are telling us what *would* have happened, and the one speculating is me?  HAHAHAHAH
 
2014-02-16 12:53:06 AM  

Mr.BobDobalita: I always get a kick out of the people that say "well GZ shouldn't have been there.... Neither should TM. There was 3-4 minutes from when GZ lost sight of him and when the attack happened. He was 300' from his house. He could have been there in 20 seconds. He didn't go home.... why not? TM should not have been there... and if he just went home he would be alive.


He was probably hiding. When talking to 911, Zimmerman didn't want to say out loud what his address was, for fear that Trayvon might hear. (Which goes to show he already considered Trayvon to be a criminal, BTW). Is it that unbelievable that Trayvon didn't want to walk directly home, thus showing the "creepy" armed guy following him right where he lived? It's more likely he simply hid. And Zimmerman, even after acknowledging to 911 that he didn't 'need' to find Trayvon, kept looking until he found him. Trayvon, having his hiding place discovered by the armed nutter following him, feared for his life... and we know the rest.

Call it 'unproven'. Call it 'unsubstantiated'. Call it 'fantasy'. But it still fits the evidence, and explains several things that other theories don't.
 
2014-02-16 12:56:06 AM  

Mr.BobDobalita: As I understand it, he was talking to a 911 operator. NOT a 911 dispatcher, and NOT the police.


"911" is generally considered to be "the police". You are nitpicking.
 
2014-02-16 12:57:25 AM  

vygramul: Well, it certainly matters who started it if you're going to make assertions as to Zimmerman's innocently walking down the path.

But, yes, Martin certainly wasn't going to win that fight.


You mean walking down the path... while on the phone with the police?

Yes, he went to go hunt himself a kid while carrying an evidence producing phone.  Every killer does that.  It is Stalk101.


It doesn't matter.   Martin lost him and went home.

Maverick reengaged later though.  Fatty told us so.


Martin should have just declared victory and laughed at fatty on the ground.  He chose not to.  He chose unwisely.
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-16 12:57:44 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: TheJoe03: Nutsac_Jim: TheJoe03: Nutsac_Jim: TheJoe03: I don't like him cause he was such a wannabe cop that the kid died, it all seemed avoidable. Zimmerman wanted to serve vigilante justice and now people hate him. Boo hoo.

Indeed.

What would have happened if Martin just went in the house instead of going back to teach cracker-ass a lesson?  Zimmerman sniffs the footprints and enters the house and shoots everyone?

Calm down angry white guy.

Sorry mister racist.

How exactly am I racist? Are you projecting?

Look at that. you cuss so much around the kids you even deny you say it after the kid says 'daddy said fark' and your wife glares at you.


Uh, are you on acid or something? Zimmerman supporters are an interesting bunch. Bless your heart.
 
2014-02-16 01:01:17 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: Zimmerman didn't intervene.  He stopped nothing.   He simply followed the young chap until the police told him not to do so.

You are inserting an awful lot of omniscience in there with your assertion that his behavior is caused by him having a gun.  Plenty of people do unrecommended/unwise things all the time.  He simply happened to be carrying.  This forethought likely saved him from further damage after someone tried to teach him a lesson.

You're right, he stopped nothing. Despite following Martin. His Neighborhood Watch training was explicit in deprecating leaving the car to see where Martin went. Had he not done so, no crime would have been committed, and no one would have gotten their ass kicked and no one would be dead.

So basically, if zimmerman didnt walk around in a shirt and fark me pumps, he wouldnt have been there to rape.  I think you are right.  Rape is a woman's fault.

Your argument continues to rely on speculation and not the proven facts of the case.

Let me get this straight, you are telling us what *would* have happened, and the one speculating is me?  HAHAHAHAH


Yes, you're speculating who started the fight.

But, sure, you're right. Aliens could have come down and bribed Martin to break into a neighbor's house or get Zimmerman to go have a few drinks and go driving around town. I was speculating that wouldn't happen.
 
2014-02-16 01:03:17 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: You mean walking down the path... while on the phone with the police?

Yes, he went to go hunt himself a kid while carrying an evidence producing phone.  Every killer does that.  It is Stalk101.


Apparently you don't think that phone produced any evidence of Zimmerman's guilt at all. Now it does?

Fascinating.
 
2014-02-16 01:04:04 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: You mean walking down the path... while on the phone with the police?

Yes, he went to go hunt himself a kid while carrying an evidence producing phone. Every killer does that. It is Stalk101.


But he made sure to hang up with 911, AND not give them a location, before continuing to hunt Trayvon.

7:13:14pm: Zimmerman has lost Trayvon. He doesn't want to say his address out loud because "I don't know where this kid is." Nine seconds later, Zimmerman tells dispatcher to have police call him when they arrive rather than meet at specific place, indicating that Zimmerman plans to keep moving, and doesn't know where exactly he'll be when police arrive.

7:13:41pm: Zimmerman's phone call with dispatch ends.

7:14pm: There is approximately a one minute, thirty second period for which we have very little information about what occurred, from around 17:14:00 until 17:15:30. Zimmerman apparently keeps searching for Trayvon during this time period, and phone records show that Trayvon is still on the phone with DeeDee. Also during this period of time, neither party moves particularly far from their estimated locations at 7:13:00pm;


Hmm, almost like he planned it: He was on the phone with 911 at the beginning, then once he figured he scared Trayvon into hiding, he hung up and continued searching until he found, confronted, fought with, and shot Trayvon.
 
2014-02-16 01:07:44 AM  

stoli n coke: Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: Zimmerman didn't intervene.  He stopped nothing.   He simply followed the young chap until the police told him not to do so.

You are inserting an awful lot of omniscience in there with your assertion that his behavior is caused by him having a gun.  Plenty of people do unrecommended/unwise things all the time.  He simply happened to be carrying.  This forethought likely saved him from further damage after someone tried to teach him a lesson.

You're right, he stopped nothing. Despite following Martin. His Neighborhood Watch training was explicit in deprecating leaving the car to see where Martin went. Had he not done so, no crime would have been committed, and no one would have gotten their ass kicked and no one would be dead.

So basically, if zimmerman didnt walk around in a shirt and fark me pumps, he wouldnt have been there to rape.  I think you are right.  Rape is a woman's fault.


If you're trying to use the analogy of Zimmerman as a rape victim, you may want to entertain the fact that most rape victims don't stop and stare at potential rapists and then start walking after them.


While others initiate physical contact, then decide they don't want sex. Are you saying those rape victims deserved it?
 
2014-02-16 01:13:03 AM  

vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Facts not in evidence. We only have Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight.


Zimmerman asked for the beating, apparently, because he chose to walk down the sidewalk at an unapproved time.

Martin asked for a beating followed by a shooting, apparently, because he chose to walk down the sidewalk at an unapproved time.

Martin got a beating?    He did get a shooting, deservedly.

Most men don't like to be mounted.  Martin chose the wrong man to mount.

Zimmerman picked the wrong guy to sucker-punch and then had to rely on his weapon to get him out of trouble.

I mean, so long as we're engaging in baseless speculation about who started the fight, mine's as good as yours.


Since you demand evidence, please cite your evidence for a sucker punch from Zimmerman. Trayvon had scuffed knuckles, zimm had a broken nose. Zimm had no damage to his knuckles, and the only other injury Trayvon had was a gunshot wound.
 
2014-02-16 01:16:11 AM  

Raging Whore Moans: No, seriously. Guns are for pussies


You're totally right. My guns do get me a lot of pussy. (Both arms and arms.)
 
2014-02-16 01:19:39 AM  

Terrible Old Man: Raging Whore Moans: No, seriously. Guns are for pussies

You're totally right. My guns do get me a lot of pussy. (Both arms and arms.)


Geez, you'd think you'd be a little less open about things like that on a public forum...
 
2014-02-16 01:27:24 AM  

vygramul:

That's true. For all we know, Zimmerman might have broken into the Martin home and killed everyone there. We have no way of knowing for sure.

Oh this looks like a fun game. I prefer to think that his martin's father's fiance would have tore a mailbox out of the ground and raped the neighbor with it. 

limeyfellow: CygnusDarius: Well, he better hope he wins that boxing match.

He has plenty of boxing and MMA experience for years and it not like it is a dangerous 90 158lb kid coming after him this time.


fredklein: Mr.BobDobalita: As I understand it, he was talking to a 911 operator. NOT a 911 dispatcher, and NOT the police.

"911" is generally considered to be "the police". You are nitpicking.


No, he isn't nitpicking, he is being correct. 911 is just as much "the police" as ADT (the burglar alarm company) or the suicide hotline is. It is a communications center and nothing more. In most situations, it is a completely different agency with zero ties other than a contract to work with the police (as well as numerous other agencies). They are not mandated officers, and cannot give legal commands. Any suggestions they make are (admittedly) for the sake of covering their own asses. Just because several idiots "generally" believe something doesn't make it true.
 
2014-02-16 01:39:17 AM  
George Zimmerman, who once shot a young man in Florida just to watch him die, wants you to know that things have not gone so well for him since he got away with stalking and murdering a teenager for being black.

0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2014-02-16 01:49:19 AM  

Fark It: George Zimmerman, who once shot a young man in Florida just to watch him die, wants you to know that things have not gone so well for him since he got away with stalking and murdering a teenager for being black.

[0-media-cdn.foolz.us image 350x227]


um, no one denies that's precisely what happened you know. They only bicker about how much justification he had in using lethal for.... ah, fark it.
 
2014-02-16 02:05:35 AM  

sobriquet by any other name: Fark It: George Zimmerman, who once shot a young man in Florida just to watch him die, wants you to know that things have not gone so well for him since he got away with stalking and murdering a teenager for being black.

[0-media-cdn.foolz.us image 350x227]

um, no one denies that's precisely what happened you know. They only bicker about how much justification he had in using lethal for.... ah, fark it.


Zimmerman wasn't even accused of stalking, and self-defense is never murder.

/Martin is a piss-poor civil rights martyr, and this case is a convenient distraction to keep the proles occupied while the Justice Department continues its destructive drug war while paying lip service to racial justice
 
2014-02-16 02:35:07 AM  

Mattyb710: *click*

 George Zimmerman, who once shot a young man in Florida just to watch him die...

and close.


That's as far as I got as well.
 
2014-02-16 02:39:45 AM  

BSABSVR: doglover: Yes it is. You never put skittles in Zima? You never put skittles in vodka? Really? Watch kids drink next time you're in a college party.

Do you not understand the concept of "required"?   And yes,  I've farking *made* skittles infused vodka. It takes about 2 days for the skittles to dissolve and without a coffee filter and a funnel you have a nasty pile of waxiness in your drink.  Nobody getting high on codeine is going to use skittles  when Sprite or 7-up are available.


Thank you. I tried to do this and ended up throwing the whole thing out cause i thought i got it wrong. (On a side note, the vodka and gummy bears worked out fine)
 
2014-02-16 02:45:37 AM  

iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: Weatherkiss: Not everybody is the Lone Ranger. Guns typically aren't used to shoot other guns out of the hands of people. They're used to decide fights.

No. They're used to protect the lives of others who cannot be protected in any other way.

Do you know what that means? That means, unless you have no other way of doing so, you avoid the fight in the first place.

There's a reason that MOST states won't extend civil protections towards someone who ends up having to shoot the other party - even in self defense - in a fight they started or escalated in the first place.

This whole debacle could have been avoided by him doing what any other person would have done. Not get out of his car and follow someone he thought was a threat to the neighborhood to begin with alone.

THAT is why I don't feel sorry for him. This was not a rape victim shooting her attacker. This was not someone who's awoken in the house in the middle of the night and has to shoot someone to defend his family. Not someone who was carjacked. Not someone who had no other choice in the matter.

Again. He's like the guy who got lung cancer after smoking for 60 years. Tragic, but WTF did you EXPECT to happen?

I see what you're saying and I agree; you shouldn't shoot someone unless you have no other choice. I agree that, before the altercation, the zimmzamm made some pretty shiatty choices. I even agree that, had cooler minds prevailed, this entire situation might have been avoided.

The thing I've found to be the most telling about this case is how politicized it got. How everybody and their dog were howling , "Racism!", "He stalked that poor child!" and similar things.

/ I feel that, if the media hadn't picked up on it, we would have never heard a peep about it


One must admit too that Tray-Tray made a couple of mistakes. First, he shouldn't look like someone who is going to rob a store (ie leave off the hood). Secondly, when you realize you're being followed, turn and confront the follower nicely (a simple "Hey how ya doin'?" and a smile works for me). Thirdly, do NOT try to invoke someone's anger, especially in a state with concealed carry.
 
2014-02-16 02:55:10 AM  

People_are_Idiots: iheartscotch: hardinparamedic: Weatherkiss: Not everybody is the Lone Ranger. Guns typically aren't used to shoot other guns out of the hands of people. They're used to decide fights.

No. They're used to protect the lives of others who cannot be protected in any other way.

Do you know what that means? That means, unless you have no other way of doing so, you avoid the fight in the first place.

There's a reason that MOST states won't extend civil protections towards someone who ends up having to shoot the other party - even in self defense - in a fight they started or escalated in the first place.

This whole debacle could have been avoided by him doing what any other person would have done. Not get out of his car and follow someone he thought was a threat to the neighborhood to begin with alone.

THAT is why I don't feel sorry for him. This was not a rape victim shooting her attacker. This was not someone who's awoken in the house in the middle of the night and has to shoot someone to defend his family. Not someone who was carjacked. Not someone who had no other choice in the matter.

Again. He's like the guy who got lung cancer after smoking for 60 years. Tragic, but WTF did you EXPECT to happen?

I see what you're saying and I agree; you shouldn't shoot someone unless you have no other choice. I agree that, before the altercation, the zimmzamm made some pretty shiatty choices. I even agree that, had cooler minds prevailed, this entire situation might have been avoided.

The thing I've found to be the most telling about this case is how politicized it got. How everybody and their dog were howling , "Racism!", "He stalked that poor child!" and similar things.

/ I feel that, if the media hadn't picked up on it, we would have never heard a peep about it

One must admit too that Tray-Tray made a couple of mistakes. First, he shouldn't look like someone who is going to rob a store (ie leave off the hood). Secondly, when you realize you're being followed, turn and co ...

Wasn't it raining that night or something?
 
2014-02-16 02:56:32 AM  

LoneWolf343: Olo Manolo: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Olo Manolo: Lesson learned.

If you are black, unarmed and somebody that you think is white looks at you for too long follows you around at night without saying anything to you, you should bash their head into the ground, there will be a large group of people that support your decision.

If you see somebody you don't recognize and call the cops to try to keep bad things from happening and then follow them instead of letting the police do their job then get your head bashed in some bruising a small scrape on your forehead then defend yourself with deadly force, be prepared to burn in hell.

Fixed to more accurately represent Zimmerman's own sworn testimony and the physical evidence.

Seriously people, even if every single word of Zimmerman's testimony is the absolute 100% unvarnished truth, Martin died because Zimmerman followed an unarmed teenager at night instead of letting the police do their f*cking jobs.

[www.martinfrost.ws image 474x224]
That's an odd place to put a forehead, right on the back of his head...

How do you ignore the part where the martin walked away, he WENT ELSEWHERE UNHARMED, aka situation over. Then RETURNED to pummel Zimmerman... If you get away from a situation safely, no harm done, then return to the situation aggressively, that is not self defense. That is looking for trouble. But go ahead, tell me more about the perfect little angel who was known for his kindness and compassion that was tracked down for several blocks by a rabid racist and shot in the back for fun...

Let's just ignore that he started it.

/Then pulled out a gun when he was loosing
//You're defending a coward and a bully. DIAF


And if some creep was walking around my neiborhood, staring at children when they were walking back and forth to the store, carrying a gun, i would think he was some kinda pervert. We know little to nothing about the days before the shooting. We know nothing about the neiborhood. Maybe he didn't like the way zim looked at little kids, and then he sees this dude following him home, looking in windows, and comes back out to confront him.
 
2014-02-16 03:07:23 AM  

The_Original_Roxtar: funny how media assassination and overzealous prosecution without a shred of evidence can destroy a person financially.

did I say funny? i meant tragic.


send him more money then. he probably still has a website up accepting donations. it's obvious this is just an attempt by him to raise more cash.

------

funny how be pussied out on the fight. I thought he might. people like him can't function without their security blanket strapped on.
 
2014-02-16 03:12:37 AM  

People_are_Idiots: One must admit too that Tray-Tray made a couple of mistakes. First, he shouldn't look like someone who is going to rob a store (ie leave off the hood). Secondly, when you realize you're being followed, turn and confront the follower nicely (a simple "Hey how ya doin'?" and a smile works for me). Thirdly, do NOT try to invoke someone's anger, especially in a state with concealed carry.


1. it was raining. I find it funny you would think that wearing a hood in the rain would be justification for profiling

2. he tried to approach him while he was in the vehicle and George rolled up his window and wouldn't talk to him. The he followed him in his vehicle and when he couldn't anymore he got out and did it on foot.  I find it funny you put the burden to "defuse the situation" on the kid on the phone to his girlfriend walking home in the rain and not the stalker with a gun following him home.
 
Displayed 50 of 467 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report