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2014-02-15 10:48:00 PM  

Olo Manolo: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: lunging_man_ass: jayhawk88: the8re: Objectivity, how the Fark does it work?

He left his home, armed, chased down followed a suspicious person from a distance, called police, and after the suspicious person attacked him and began pounding Zimmerman's head on pavement, shot and killed a young man who had done nothing more than walk through his yard violently physically assault a man trying to keep the neighborhood safe.

Fark objectivity. He's I'm human garbage.

FTFY, looks like we have another Facebook slacktivist.

I notice that you left out the part where Zimmerman continued to follow the suspicious person after having called the police and was instructed by the dispatcher to not follow said suspicious person and then proceeded to ignore what he was told by the dispatcher.

Except for the part where dispatchers cannot legally instruct somebody to do anything...
"We don't need you to do that" is not instructions, which would be worded more like "Do not do that". It's the same thing a dispatcher would say in any situation in order to absolve themselves/the department of responsibility should somebody get hurt following their "directions".


And Zimmerman is the neighborhood watch, his job is to watch and call the police. If he chooses to disobey the dispatcher, he is in part responsible for anything which happens afterwards.
 
gja
2014-02-15 10:53:32 PM  

Electrify: Olo Manolo: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: lunging_man_ass: jayhawk88: the8re: Objectivity, how the Fark does it work?

He left his home, armed, chased down followed a suspicious person from a distance, called police, and after the suspicious person attacked him and began pounding Zimmerman's head on pavement, shot and killed a young man who had done nothing more than walk through his yard violently physically assault a man trying to keep the neighborhood safe.

Fark objectivity. He's I'm human garbage.

FTFY, looks like we have another Facebook slacktivist.

I notice that you left out the part where Zimmerman continued to follow the suspicious person after having called the police and was instructed by the dispatcher to not follow said suspicious person and then proceeded to ignore what he was told by the dispatcher.

Except for the part where dispatchers cannot legally instruct somebody to do anything...
"We don't need you to do that" is not instructions, which would be worded more like "Do not do that". It's the same thing a dispatcher would say in any situation in order to absolve themselves/the department of responsibility should somebody get hurt following their "directions".

And Zimmerman is the neighborhood watch, his job is to watch and call the police. If he chooses to disobey the dispatcher, he is in part responsible for anything which happens afterwards.


Not passing judgement on either of the two involved, but the dispatcher HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DICTATE ACTIONS TO OTHERS.
They dispatch, they do NOT give orders to be followed under penalty of prosecution.
 
2014-02-15 10:55:48 PM  

grimlock1972: the real tragedy of all of this is if Zimmerman had listened to the police dispatcher and not followed the kid no one need have died that night.


Tell you what.. when you bank a bridesmaid at a wedding, tell your wife that if the bridesmaid you banged just stayed with the rest of the wedding party, she never would have tripped and fallen on your dick, and see how far that gets you.
 
2014-02-15 10:59:04 PM  

mrshowrules: atomicmask: mrshowrules: cretinbob: [scholarsandrogues.files.wordpress.com image 524x389]

fark.  If that image doesn't say it all, than nothing does. Where I'm from, there are consequences for shooting and killing an unarmed child regardless of the circumstances.

Child, you keep using that word, but I do not think you know what it means. 17 years old is not a child, in 1 year he would have been able to join the military.

black kids seem to age a little faster than white kids, I know


siextramustard.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-15 10:59:07 PM  

fredklein: No. "Zimmy" should have minded his own damn business and not followed Trayvon around the neighborhood.


Most criminal behavior is, indeed, foiled by someone not minding their own business.  Despite fantasy, it isnt by cops just happening to be driving by.....
 
2014-02-15 11:04:31 PM  

Olo Manolo: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Olo Manolo: Lesson learned.

If you are black, unarmed and somebody that you think is white looks at you for too long follows you around at night without saying anything to you, you should bash their head into the ground, there will be a large group of people that support your decision.

If you see somebody you don't recognize and call the cops to try to keep bad things from happening and then follow them instead of letting the police do their job then get your head bashed in some bruising a small scrape on your forehead then defend yourself with deadly force, be prepared to burn in hell.

Fixed to more accurately represent Zimmerman's own sworn testimony and the physical evidence.

Seriously people, even if every single word of Zimmerman's testimony is the absolute 100% unvarnished truth, Martin died because Zimmerman followed an unarmed teenager at night instead of letting the police do their f*cking jobs.

[www.martinfrost.ws image 474x224]
That's an odd place to put a forehead, right on the back of his head...

How do you ignore the part where the martin walked away, he WENT ELSEWHERE UNHARMED, aka situation over. Then RETURNED to pummel Zimmerman... If you get away from a situation safely, no harm done, then return to the situation aggressively, that is not self defense. That is looking for trouble. But go ahead, tell me more about the perfect little angel who was known for his kindness and compassion that was tracked down for several blocks by a rabid racist and shot in the back for fun...


Let's just ignore that he started it.

/Then pulled out a gun when he was loosing
//You're defending a coward and a bully. DIAF
 
2014-02-15 11:04:56 PM  

gja: Not passing judgement on either of the two involved, but the dispatcher HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DICTATE ACTIONS TO OTHERS.
They dispatch, they do NOT give orders to be followed under penalty of prosecution.


It does matter when it comes to civil litigation. The Neighborhood Watch has no legal authority to dictate your actions either, but go against the training which explicitly tells you not to follow people, and you leave yourself open to civil litigation as having behaved irresponsibly.

The point is that the dispatcher is in a position to know what is the proper course of action. Any mishap then becomes your fault because, well, you had someone in a position to advise you and you ignored that advice.

For example: if I have my concealed-carry instructor with me in my house when an intruder broke in with a machete, and he said to me, "You shouldn't shoot him." The guy has zero authority. But if I fire, that warning is damning if it turns out he wasn't within 24 feet as is required in VA.
 
2014-02-15 11:09:32 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: fredklein: No. "Zimmy" should have minded his own damn business and not followed Trayvon around the neighborhood.

Most criminal behavior is, indeed, foiled by someone not minding their own business.  Despite fantasy, it isnt by cops just happening to be driving by.....


Most criminal behavior is, in fact, stopped by someone calling the police, not someone intervening. If Zimmerman had called police and reported the suspicion and that was it, good on him. Following the kid was stupid and dangerous, as his Neighborhood Watch training indicated.

If he could take back that night, do you think he would? How has his life turned out? And THAT is why you have to be an imbecile to play supercop just because you have a gun on you.
 
2014-02-15 11:10:04 PM  

TheJoe03: I don't like him cause he was such a wannabe cop that the kid died, it all seemed avoidable. Zimmerman wanted to serve vigilante justice and now people hate him. Boo hoo.


Indeed.

What would have happened if Martin just went in the house instead of going back to teach cracker-ass a lesson?  Zimmerman sniffs the footprints and enters the house and shoots everyone?
 
gja
2014-02-15 11:15:11 PM  

vygramul: gja: Not passing judgement on either of the two involved, but the dispatcher HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DICTATE ACTIONS TO OTHERS.
They dispatch, they do NOT give orders to be followed under penalty of prosecution.

It does matter when it comes to civil litigation. The Neighborhood Watch has no legal authority to dictate your actions either, but go against the training which explicitly tells you not to follow people, and you leave yourself open to civil litigation as having behaved irresponsibly.

The point is that the dispatcher is in a position to know what is the proper course of action. Any mishap then becomes your fault because, well, you had someone in a position to advise you and you ignored that advice.

For example: if I have my concealed-carry instructor with me in my house when an intruder broke in with a machete, and he said to me, "You shouldn't shoot him." The guy has zero authority. But if I fire, that warning is damning if it turns out he wasn't within 24 feet as is required in VA.


And that means zero for the Zimm/Tray case because it was not and is not a civil matter.
It was/is a criminal court matter.
That is MY point. The dispatcher has not voice of authority in this type of matter. End of argument.
Had he not heeded an actual officers admonitions and directive this would be a different thing altogether.
But that's just not what happened. SO let's leave what MIGHT have happened out of this and stick to the facts.
 
2014-02-15 11:16:24 PM  
Electrify:
And Zimmerman is the neighborhood watch, his job is to watch and call the police. If he chooses to disobey the dispatcher, he is in part responsible for anything which happens afterwards.

Disobey
:  To refuse to follow an order or rule.

Dispatchers, once again, can not issue orders. They did not issue orders. They said "We don't need you to do that". That is a declarative sentence, not used to issue a command, therefore there was nothing to disobey. Had the dispatcher said "Do not do that" and if they had any legal power whatsoever to make such a command, then I could see where you were coming from. however, outside of those constraints, it just isn't correct.
 
2014-02-15 11:19:02 PM  
vygramul:  If he could take back that night, do you think he would?


No, I honestly don't. I think his only true regret is that the case got national media attention (which forced a trial). I don't think he regrets killing Martin, or any action he took that night that led up to it. I base that on his interview with Sean Hannity where he explicitly said he had no regrets and that it was "God's will."
 
2014-02-15 11:19:17 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: fredklein: No. "Zimmy" should have minded his own damn business and not followed Trayvon around the neighborhood.

Most criminal behavior is, indeed, foiled by someone not minding their own business.  Despite fantasy, it isnt by cops just happening to be driving by.....


Funny how you just assume that Martin was under reasonable suspicion of committing a crime. I wonder why...
 
2014-02-15 11:20:59 PM  

mrshowrules: randomjsa: It's funny to watch the people who were so emotionally invested in the false narrative of 'Evil white man randomly shoots black child' feel 'vindicated' by this.

I never thought Zimmerman was evil/racist or even necessarily white.  I just believe when you shoot and kill an unarmed person (under almost any circumstances) you should go to jail.


Thats why we are glad you are not a judge.
 
2014-02-15 11:23:35 PM  

gja: vygramul: gja: Not passing judgement on either of the two involved, but the dispatcher HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DICTATE ACTIONS TO OTHERS.
They dispatch, they do NOT give orders to be followed under penalty of prosecution.

It does matter when it comes to civil litigation. The Neighborhood Watch has no legal authority to dictate your actions either, but go against the training which explicitly tells you not to follow people, and you leave yourself open to civil litigation as having behaved irresponsibly.

The point is that the dispatcher is in a position to know what is the proper course of action. Any mishap then becomes your fault because, well, you had someone in a position to advise you and you ignored that advice.

For example: if I have my concealed-carry instructor with me in my house when an intruder broke in with a machete, and he said to me, "You shouldn't shoot him." The guy has zero authority. But if I fire, that warning is damning if it turns out he wasn't within 24 feet as is required in VA.

And that means zero for the Zimm/Tray case because it was not and is not a civil matter.
It was/is a criminal court matter.
That is MY point. The dispatcher has not voice of authority in this type of matter. End of argument.
Had he not heeded an actual officers admonitions and directive this would be a different thing altogether.
But that's just not what happened. SO let's leave what MIGHT have happened out of this and stick to the facts.


Prosecutors might consider giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't know the possible consequences of your action. It's part of Mens Rea. The dispatcher's warning matters, even in criminal matters. End of argument.
 
2014-02-15 11:23:48 PM  

mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail


Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?
 
2014-02-15 11:24:32 PM  

I Browse: vygramul:  If he could take back that night, do you think he would?


No, I honestly don't. I think his only true regret is that the case got national media attention (which forced a trial). I don't think he regrets killing Martin, or any action he took that night that led up to it. I base that on his interview with Sean Hannity where he explicitly said he had no regrets and that it was "God's will."


Well, what he says when he's still in danger from legal battles is really to be taken with a boulder of salt.
 
gja
2014-02-15 11:24:52 PM  

vygramul: gja: vygramul: gja: Not passing judgement on either of the two involved, but the dispatcher HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DICTATE ACTIONS TO OTHERS.
They dispatch, they do NOT give orders to be followed under penalty of prosecution.

It does matter when it comes to civil litigation. The Neighborhood Watch has no legal authority to dictate your actions either, but go against the training which explicitly tells you not to follow people, and you leave yourself open to civil litigation as having behaved irresponsibly.

The point is that the dispatcher is in a position to know what is the proper course of action. Any mishap then becomes your fault because, well, you had someone in a position to advise you and you ignored that advice.

For example: if I have my concealed-carry instructor with me in my house when an intruder broke in with a machete, and he said to me, "You shouldn't shoot him." The guy has zero authority. But if I fire, that warning is damning if it turns out he wasn't within 24 feet as is required in VA.

And that means zero for the Zimm/Tray case because it was not and is not a civil matter.
It was/is a criminal court matter.
That is MY point. The dispatcher has not voice of authority in this type of matter. End of argument.
Had he not heeded an actual officers admonitions and directive this would be a different thing altogether.
But that's just not what happened. SO let's leave what MIGHT have happened out of this and stick to the facts.

Prosecutors might consider giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't know the possible consequences of your action. It's part of Mens Rea. The dispatcher's warning matters, even in criminal matters. End of argument.


Wrong. That was proven here in NY. I will maybe look up the case law for you. But only if I feel like it.
You don't know what you are talking about.
 
2014-02-15 11:26:20 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?


Facts not in evidence. We only have Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight.
 
2014-02-15 11:27:18 PM  

gja: Wrong. That was proven here in NY. I will maybe look up the case law for you. But only if I feel like it.
You don't know what you are talking about.


I hadn't realized Florida was part of New York.
 
2014-02-15 11:27:36 PM  
Boo.  Farking.  Hoo.
 
2014-02-15 11:28:16 PM  

LoneWolf343: Olo Manolo: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Olo Manolo: Lesson learned.

If you are black, unarmed and somebody that you think is white looks at you for too long follows you around at night without saying anything to you, you should bash their head into the ground, there will be a large group of people that support your decision.

If you see somebody you don't recognize and call the cops to try to keep bad things from happening and then follow them instead of letting the police do their job then get your head bashed in some bruising a small scrape on your forehead then defend yourself with deadly force, be prepared to burn in hell.

Fixed to more accurately represent Zimmerman's own sworn testimony and the physical evidence.

Seriously people, even if every single word of Zimmerman's testimony is the absolute 100% unvarnished truth, Martin died because Zimmerman followed an unarmed teenager at night instead of letting the police do their f*cking jobs.

[www.martinfrost.ws image 474x224]
That's an odd place to put a forehead, right on the back of his head...

How do you ignore the part where the martin walked away, he WENT ELSEWHERE UNHARMED, aka situation over. Then RETURNED to pummel Zimmerman... If you get away from a situation safely, no harm done, then return to the situation aggressively, that is not self defense. That is looking for trouble. But go ahead, tell me more about the perfect little angel who was known for his kindness and compassion that was tracked down for several blocks by a rabid racist and shot in the back for fun...

Let's just ignore that he started it.

/Then pulled out a gun when he was loosing
//You're defending a coward and a bully. DIAF



TM:  "Mommy! Georgie is looking at me!" **punch**

Mom: "Well why did you hit him?"

TM: "He started it! He looked at me!"

/Yes, that is exactly what you are saying; he started the fight by looking at him
//And you are defending a thug with a history of violence and drug use.
/// wont tell you to "DIAF" because being a person who can think logically/reasonably, I generally don't wish death on people for having an opinion that differs from mine.
 
2014-02-15 11:29:31 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?


Walking down the sidewalk is a crime worth of stalking and confrontation?
 
gja
2014-02-15 11:33:45 PM  

vygramul: gja: Wrong. That was proven here in NY. I will maybe look up the case law for you. But only if I feel like it.
You don't know what you are talking about.

I hadn't realized Florida was part of New York.


It's called PRECEDENT, my friend. It has a way of showing up and biting you in the ass when you don't do your due diligence and research.
Law can be a pain in the ass that way. Same reason I spend so much goddamned time going over so many points in some of the electronic forensics cases I get deposed in. It's why when they legal teams make a funny face when I give them my rates I don't feel bad charging so much.
They must think I frigging enjoy going half-blind reading that crap.
 
2014-02-15 11:36:47 PM  
vygramul:

Well, what he says when he's still in danger from legal battles is really to be taken with a boulder of salt.


Fair point. That said...I still don't think he has even a shred of regret about killing Martin, or the decisions he made that led up to it. And I base that on his actions since the trial. Touring the Kel-Tec factory and posing for a picture with a worker there...this celebrity boxing stunt.
 
2014-02-15 11:38:30 PM  

vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: fredklein: No. "Zimmy" should have minded his own damn business and not followed Trayvon around the neighborhood.

Most criminal behavior is, indeed, foiled by someone not minding their own business.  Despite fantasy, it isnt by cops just happening to be driving by.....

Most criminal behavior is, in fact, stopped by someone calling the police, not someone intervening. If Zimmerman had called police and reported the suspicion and that was it, good on him. Following the kid was stupid and dangerous, as his Neighborhood Watch training indicated.

If he could take back that night, do you think he would? How has his life turned out? And THAT is why you have to be an imbecile to play supercop just because you have a gun on you.


Zimmerman didn't intervene.  He stopped nothing.   He simply followed the young chap until the police told him not to do so.

You are inserting an awful lot of omniscience in there with your assertion that his behavior is caused by him having a gun.  Plenty of people do unrecommended/unwise things all the time.  He simply happened to be carrying.  This forethought likely saved him from further damage after someone tried to teach him a lesson.
 
gja
2014-02-15 11:39:46 PM  

I Browse: vygramul:

Well, what he says when he's still in danger from legal battles is really to be taken with a boulder of salt.


Fair point. That said...I still don't think he has even a shred of regret about killing Martin, or the decisions he made that led up to it. And I base that on his actions since the trial. Touring the Kel-Tec factory and posing for a picture with a worker there...this celebrity boxing stunt.


That and other reasons are why while I feel badly if it is true he is now homeless, I cannot muster any sympathy for his string of demonstrably poor choices in life. Cry me a river.
 
2014-02-15 11:39:53 PM  
McWhorter said that Jeantel was "articulate, just in a different kind of English than mainstream English."
He then defended Martin's use of the word "cracker" to describe Zimmerman, ...
"Of course he might refer to the person as a cracker because he's a human being," added McWhorter, who is black. "I think we can understand that cracker may have been an appropriate term at the time."
 
2014-02-15 11:40:02 PM  
LoneWolf343:
Funny how you just assume that Martin was under reasonable suspicion of committing a crime. I wonder why...

Here's an idea; because he was wondering around between houses, looking around like he was inebriated, in a place where he wasn't recognized as a resident?

Oh, sorry, I forgot... It's those damned dirty racists!
 
2014-02-15 11:45:05 PM  

randomjsa: It's funny to watch the people who were so emotionally invested in the false narrative of 'Evil white man randomly shoots black child' feel 'vindicated' by this.


They're still waiting for their OJ prize.
 
2014-02-15 11:45:08 PM  

atomicmask: apparently the social justice brigades hate us cause we enjoy strait sex.


www.barrystickets.com

/who doesn't?
 
2014-02-15 11:45:19 PM  

vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Facts not in evidence. We only have Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight.



Zimmerman asked for the beating, apparently, because he chose to walk down the sidewalk at an unapproved time.
 
2014-02-15 11:46:32 PM  

gja: vygramul: gja: Wrong. That was proven here in NY. I will maybe look up the case law for you. But only if I feel like it.
You don't know what you are talking about.

I hadn't realized Florida was part of New York.

It's called PRECEDENT, my friend. It has a way of showing up and biting you in the ass when you don't do your due diligence and research.
Law can be a pain in the ass that way. Same reason I spend so much goddamned time going over so many points in some of the electronic forensics cases I get deposed in. It's why when they legal teams make a funny face when I give them my rates I don't feel bad charging so much.
They must think I frigging enjoy going half-blind reading that crap.


I wasn't aware that precedent in a different jurisdiction with different laws was all that useful.
 
2014-02-15 11:47:10 PM  

I Browse: vygramul:

Well, what he says when he's still in danger from legal battles is really to be taken with a boulder of salt.


Fair point. That said...I still don't think he has even a shred of regret about killing Martin, or the decisions he made that led up to it. And I base that on his actions since the trial. Touring the Kel-Tec factory and posing for a picture with a worker there...this celebrity boxing stunt.


Well, yes, his judgment seems to be decidedly lacking.
 
2014-02-15 11:48:30 PM  
Trolls within trolls within trolls.

This site and the troll trash it links to, and the trolls it encourages, is too much lately.

DIAF Drew. Your site sucks.
 
2014-02-15 11:49:16 PM  

twiztedjustin: WOW

Anyone associated with that website needs to be forced into watching their mother be raped.


That's.....a little extreme, not going to lie.
 
2014-02-15 11:50:17 PM  

LoneWolf343: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime worth of stalking and confrontation?


While he was on the phone with the cops.

Most stalkers, when committing crimes, do not do it so police can conveniently record their behavior.

He might be an exceptional stalker, though.


I'll comment that zimmerman was told the police didnt need him to follow him and zimmerman said 'ok'

Martin, he went home and turned back to teach cracker ass a lesson.    So did Martin stalk zimmerman and confront him?


you guys and your 'stalk'....
 
2014-02-15 11:54:21 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Zimmerman didn't intervene.  He stopped nothing.   He simply followed the young chap until the police told him not to do so.

You are inserting an awful lot of omniscience in there with your assertion that his behavior is caused by him having a gun.  Plenty of people do unrecommended/unwise things all the time.  He simply happened to be carrying.  This forethought likely saved him from further damage after someone tried to teach him a lesson.


You're right, he stopped nothing. Despite following Martin. His Neighborhood Watch training was explicit in deprecating leaving the car to see where Martin went. Had he not done so, no crime would have been committed, and no one would have gotten their ass kicked and no one would be dead.
 
2014-02-15 11:55:11 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Facts not in evidence. We only have Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight.


Zimmerman asked for the beating, apparently, because he chose to walk down the sidewalk at an unapproved time.


Martin asked for a beating followed by a shooting, apparently, because he chose to walk down the sidewalk at an unapproved time.
 
gja
2014-02-15 11:55:27 PM  

vygramul: gja: vygramul: gja: Wrong. That was proven here in NY. I will maybe look up the case law for you. But only if I feel like it.
You don't know what you are talking about.

I hadn't realized Florida was part of New York.

It's called PRECEDENT, my friend. It has a way of showing up and biting you in the ass when you don't do your due diligence and research.
Law can be a pain in the ass that way. Same reason I spend so much goddamned time going over so many points in some of the electronic forensics cases I get deposed in. It's why when they legal teams make a funny face when I give them my rates I don't feel bad charging so much.
They must think I frigging enjoy going half-blind reading that crap.

I wasn't aware that precedent in a different jurisdiction with different laws was all that useful.


With lawyers involved the color of underwear can be argued to be relevant. When I am done dealing with them I usually need to take a long shower with Lysol to remove the stench from being in such close proximity to such massive piles of bullcrap.

More to the point, in case law is ALWAYS useful. Link is a clarification of mandatory v. persuasive .
 
2014-02-15 11:56:34 PM  

vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Facts not in evidence. We only have Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight.


That and the witnesses...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-beaten-prosecution-witness es /story?id=19517236

But I mean keep denying facts and making up the "sweet black baby" story you keep grasping at.
 
2014-02-15 11:57:51 PM  
Damn there is a lot of stupid in the world.
 
2014-02-15 11:58:37 PM  

mrshowrules: Farker Soze: Damn.  Who says only Repubs are spiteful vindictive douches?

Were you glad that OJ ended up in jail?


Actually, no.  It was nothing more than a feel-good bone-throw to everyone because they couldn't get him the first time.
 
2014-02-15 11:59:45 PM  

LoneWolf343: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime worth of stalking and confrontation?


with a bulllet!
 
2014-02-16 12:02:10 AM  
Zimmerman: self defense.
Dunn: hate crime.
 
2014-02-16 12:03:05 AM  
vygramul:

You're right, he stopped nothing. Despite following Martin. His Neighborhood Watch training was explicit in deprecating leaving the car to see where Martin went. Had he not done so, no crime would have been committed, and no one would have gotten their ass kicked and no one would be dead.

How can you say that with such confidence? You claim to know how the night would have played out minus the mart/zim interaction?  I am certainly jealous of your omniscience.
 
2014-02-16 12:03:06 AM  

duffblue: Lot of forensic investigators butthurt racists here apparently.

 
2014-02-16 12:04:47 AM  

atomicmask: vygramul: Nutsac_Jim: mrshowrules: and if you have to shoot a kid to avoid a beating you asked for, you are a coward who deserves to go to jail

Walking down the sidewalk is a crime with a punishment of beating?   Which ghetto?

Facts not in evidence. We only have Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight.

That and the witnesses...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-beaten-prosecution-witness es /story?id=19517236

But I mean keep denying facts and making up the "sweet black baby" story you keep grasping at.


Just because he lost the fight didn't mean he didn't start it. The witnesses don't help establish who started it.

But I mean keep asserting facts for which you have no evidence and make up the "well-meaning good-guy" story you keep grasping at.
 
2014-02-16 12:05:16 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Olo Manolo: Lesson learned.

If you are black, unarmed and somebody that you think is white looks at you for too long follows you around at night without saying anything to you, you should bash their head into the ground, there will be a large group of people that support your decision.

If you see somebody you don't recognize and call the cops to try to keep bad things from happening and then follow them instead of letting the police do their job then get your head bashed in some bruising a small scrape on your forehead then defend yourself with deadly force, be prepared to burn in hell.

Fixed to more accurately represent Zimmerman's own sworn testimony and the physical evidence.

Seriously people, even if every single word of Zimmerman's testimony is the absolute 100% unvarnished truth, Martin died because Zimmerman followed an unarmed teenager at night instead of letting the police do their f*cking jobs.


I always get a kick out of the people that say "well GZ shouldn't have been there....      Neither should TM.   There was 3-4 minutes from when GZ lost sight of him and when the attack happened.  He was 300' from his house.  He could have been there in 20 seconds.    He didn't go home....  why not?   TM should not have been there... and if he just went home he would be alive.

Also, people think that GZ's injuries weren't bad enough for him to have used deadly force.  What these geniuses don't understand is THERE DOESN"T HAVE TO BE -ANY- INJURY IN SOME CASES TO EMPLOY DEADLY FORCE.

You don't have to be injured or killed to defend yourself.   If someone has the means, the intent, and immediately could do harm to you, you can legally kill them before they do anything.
 
2014-02-16 12:07:02 AM  

Olo Manolo: vygramul:

You're right, he stopped nothing. Despite following Martin. His Neighborhood Watch training was explicit in deprecating leaving the car to see where Martin went. Had he not done so, no crime would have been committed, and no one would have gotten their ass kicked and no one would be dead.

How can you say that with such confidence? You claim to know how the night would have played out minus the mart/zim interaction?  I am certainly jealous of your omniscience.


So Zimmerman was innocently walking down the street but Martin was guiltily walking down the street? It's ok to assume innocent intent on the part of Zimmerman but not Martin?

Who's the omniscient one who gets to differentiate between the two?
 
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