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2014-02-15 05:07:37 PM
Why do morons film these things on their cell phones?
 
2014-02-15 05:07:55 PM
To quote from Ben Franklin:

I wish that the bald eagle had not been chosen as the representative of our country, he is a bird of bad moral character, he does not get his living honestly, you may have seen him perched on some dead tree, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the labor of the fishing-hawk, and when that diligent bird has at length taken a fish, and is bearing it to its nest for the support of his mate and young ones, the bald eagle pursues him and takes it from him....
Besides he is a rank coward; the little kingbird, not bigger than a sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the district. He is therefore by no means a proper emblem for the brave and honest. . . of America.. . . For a truth, the turkey is in comparison a much more respectable bird, and withal a true original native of America . . . a bird of courage, and would not hesitate to attack a grenadier of the British guards, who should presume to invade his farmyard with a red coat on.

So I'm with the kids on this one
 
2014-02-15 05:10:22 PM

Trailltrader: To quote from Ben Franklin:

I wish that the bald eagle had not been chosen as the representative of our country, he is a bird of bad moral character, he does not get his living honestly, you may have seen him perched on some dead tree, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the labor of the fishing-hawk, and when that diligent bird has at length taken a fish, and is bearing it to its nest for the support of his mate and young ones, the bald eagle pursues him and takes it from him....
Besides he is a rank coward; the little kingbird, not bigger than a sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the district. He is therefore by no means a proper emblem for the brave and honest. . . of America.. . . For a truth, the turkey is in comparison a much more respectable bird, and withal a true original native of America . . . a bird of courage, and would not hesitate to attack a grenadier of the British guards, who should presume to invade his farmyard with a red coat on.

So I'm with the kids on this one


I think you posted in the wrong thread.
 
2014-02-15 05:11:22 PM

Nabb1: Why do morons film these things on their cell phones?


Street cred
 
2014-02-15 05:17:14 PM

Trailltrader: So I'm with the kids on this one


The veteran is an eagle and the kids are turkeys?  Interesting perspective.
 
2014-02-15 05:48:13 PM

Nabb1: Why do morons film these things on their cell phones?

 
2014-02-15 06:01:00 PM
Bah, we have too many disabled veterans anyway.  The youths actually did everyone a favor.  Do you know how much money is expended providing services to such people?  Especially in these tough economic times, we need to embrace any and every option to cut spending whenever possible.
 
2014-02-15 06:03:06 PM
Who said mugging was a myth?
 
2014-02-15 06:04:15 PM
That should get some bites. Another successful Fark headline.
 
2014-02-15 06:06:33 PM
I like how the stock photo they used is of a white person's wrists in handcuffs. Uh, no.
 
2014-02-15 06:07:04 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who said mugging was a myth?


Indeed.

I have a better question:

Who said we have to have X troll headlines a week now?
No moderation... declining headlines...

Drew, if you want the site to perform better; do the opposite of what you're doing now.
 
2014-02-15 06:07:19 PM
Call me when they charge these pieces of subhuman waste with a hate crime.
 
2014-02-15 06:07:29 PM
Nice and tough against a disabled man. Let's see how well they stand up next to their cellmate.
 
2014-02-15 06:08:32 PM

Semper IvXx: That should get some bites. Another successful Fark headline.


Remember when Fark was all about the WIT?

Now it's all about the SHIAT.
 
2014-02-15 06:08:32 PM
A horde of future democrats beating and robbing a disabled veteran? No way!!
 
2014-02-15 06:08:53 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who said mugging was a myth?


Well you see someone dared suggest that the "Knockout Game" was not an actual epidemic like the media was portraying it, so to the conservative brain, able only to comprehend the world as all or nothing, this means that liberals believe it never happens.
 
2014-02-15 06:09:33 PM

fatcurlytoes: I like how the stock photo they used is of a white person's wrists in handcuffs. Uh, no.


Maybe the teenagers were white.  The article does not specify the race of the teenagers.
 
2014-02-15 06:12:23 PM
So getting mugged in a fairly normal, predictable nature by shiatty teenagers is a myth?

Hop on off your cross there, right wingidiots.
 
2014-02-15 06:17:03 PM
Rant time.

So, my tumblr is sometimes flooded with "POC need to stand together! The system is racist! White people are racist by default! Cultural assimilation is bad!!" rants, but when I say that racism -on any side of the spectrum- is actually not the disease, but the symptom of something worse (economic inequality), I get yelled at.

I take this bit of news as a sign of economic inequality: The poor get bad education, bad treatment from the authorities, and get told every single day by the media, and the political dittoheads that either a) they can't do anything because they are X or b) "Look at that guy! Look at how weird he looks, how different his beliefs/creed/etc are from yours. He is the ROOT of all your problems, and you should hate it!" of course you'll get reactions like this. Greedy people in power constantly harass the rest of us while the line their own pockets!.

So, in retrospect, as the line between the wealthy and the poor turns more and more into a canyon, expect more of these attacks, and more Zimmermans, and more Rush Limbaughs, and more hate spewed until we're all up against each other's throats.
 
2014-02-15 06:21:37 PM
Classy people do classy things.
 
2014-02-15 06:22:24 PM
Re-reading my rant, I think I know why I get yelled at.

I live in Mexico, and I have to live with how the Mexican government/society/media acts, so I sometimes see similarities with it and the American homologue.
 
2014-02-15 06:24:27 PM
CygnusDarius:

So, in retrospect, as the line between the wealthy and the poor turns more and more into a canyon, expect more of these attacks, and more Zimmermans, and more Rush Limbaughs, and more hate spewed until we're all up against each other's throats.


The answer is self-evident; empower more people like Zimmerman and begin culling. You'll have less first generation problems and with their, the poor blacks, declining breeding numbers from systematic removal, you'll have exponentially less problems as the generations progress from enacting the cull. As a result, you'll also have less expenditures for social programs and jails as well, so we'll all see quite a savings.
 
2014-02-15 06:27:18 PM

Nabb1: Why do morons film these things on their cell phones?


You have asked and answered your own question.
 
2014-02-15 06:27:23 PM

Caelistis: CygnusDarius:

So, in retrospect, as the line between the wealthy and the poor turns more and more into a canyon, expect more of these attacks, and more Zimmermans, and more Rush Limbaughs, and more hate spewed until we're all up against each other's throats.


The answer is self-evident; empower more people like Zimmerman and begin culling. You'll have less first generation problems and with their, the poor blacks, declining breeding numbers from systematic removal, you'll have exponentially less problems as the generations progress from enacting the cull. As a result, you'll also have less expenditures for social programs and jails as well, so we'll all see quite a savings.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-15 06:29:44 PM

Nabb1: Why do morons film these things on their cell phones?


Shhhh. You're discouraging stupid people from providing police with self-incriminating evidence... don't do that. Encourage them to film their illegal acts. Ensure that their buddies are in frame and in focus. I'd instead complain about the shaky framing and loss of focus - encourage these chuckleheads to do it right.
 
2014-02-15 06:30:09 PM

Nabb1: Why do morons film these things on their cell phones?


For tumblr, facebook and youtube likes. They don't realize how public those sites are. Yes, I know they are stupid. But then again, they are filming themselves doing illegal things. MENSA material, these people aren't.
 
2014-02-15 06:30:40 PM
CygnusDarius:

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2014-02-15 06:32:27 PM

Caelistis: CygnusDarius:

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... Crap. Guess my skin is still not thick enough.
 
2014-02-15 06:33:02 PM

Caelistis: so we'll all see quite a savings.


yeah,

'The Purge' wasn't a very good movie
 
2014-02-15 06:34:37 PM

fatcurlytoes: I like how the stock photo they used is of a white person's wrists in handcuffs. Uh, no.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-15 06:35:09 PM
The knock-out game is totally last year. If they want real street cred, they have to play the natural gas game: holding down old white people and farting on them. That is all this year.
 
2014-02-15 06:37:00 PM
Did some teens who might have been not-white attack a disabled vet? Yes
Was this a racially motivated attack? Possibly - as noted by the racial epithets.


Why is this important?
1) Because when white people get beat up, it's national news
2) See #1
3) STFU and GBTW

Don't bother posting an article about how the murder rate in Baltimore is going at a historic rate because that's just ni...black people killing each other.
 
2014-02-15 06:52:30 PM
WORLDSTAR!
 
2014-02-15 06:56:51 PM

Nabb1: Why do morons film these things on their cell phones?


You want to sleep well at night? You want to have a moment's peace again? Stop thinking about it.


Because if you think about it, you realize that police are actually not very good at finding criminals. It's always the criminal's own stupidity that gets them caught. Like the guys who climb up, with no mask, and disable security cams. Or the ones who rob their neighbor's house in the snow. And of course people who forget that the only way two people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead.

But the smart criminals, they can get away with it for a long time. Often forever. That guy who had all those girls in his basement dungeon in Ohio? The cops talked to him when it originally happened. Never suspected. Serial killers, or at least a lot of killers, haunt certain highways in places like Alaska. We don't even know who or what's going on, just that there's a lot of dead bodies there over the years. In Fayette County PA, the Police call it Fayette Nam because the forest to building ratio is such that the majority of the state is unpatrolable. There was a man spotted by three different train conductors carrying a woman's body in the woods. Nothing ever came of it. And the mob? There's Mexican hit men with 800+ kills. I don't even know 800 people on facebook.

It's only the stupid criminals who get caught. The really dangerous smart criminals, the Al Capones, usually manage to remain free. Capone himself went down because of his arrogance more than anything. If he had been less flamboyant Eliot Ness never would have locked horns with him.

Now that's
 
2014-02-15 06:57:43 PM

rebelyell2006: The knock-out game is totally last year. If they want real street cred, they have to play the natural gas game: holding down old white people and farting on them. That is all this year.


Street Fracking
 
2014-02-15 06:58:53 PM
Given the color of the assailants and the victim, I am surprised this is national news.  Now, if it had been the other way around....
 
2014-02-15 07:00:17 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Given the color of the assailants and the victim, I am surprised this is national news.  Now, if it had been the other way around....


The article didn't specify anyone's race.
 
2014-02-15 07:01:50 PM

doglover: Nabb1: Why do morons film these things on their cell phones?

You want to sleep well at night? You want to have a moment's peace again? Stop thinking about it.


Because if you think about it, you realize that police are actually not very good at finding criminals. It's always the criminal's own stupidity that gets them caught. Like the guys who climb up, with no mask, and disable security cams. Or the ones who rob their neighbor's house in the snow. And of course people who forget that the only way two people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead.

But the smart criminals, they can get away with it for a long time. Often forever. That guy who had all those girls in his basement dungeon in Ohio? The cops talked to him when it originally happened. Never suspected. Serial killers, or at least a lot of killers, haunt certain highways in places like Alaska. We don't even know who or what's going on, just that there's a lot of dead bodies there over the years. In Fayette County PA, the Police call it Fayette Nam because the forest to building ratio is such that the majority of the state is unpatrolable. There was a man spotted by three different train conductors carrying a woman's body in the woods. Nothing ever came of it. And the mob? There's Mexican hit men with 800+ kills. I don't even know 800 people on facebook.

It's only the stupid criminals who get caught. The really dangerous smart criminals, the Al Capones, usually manage to remain free. Capone himself went down because of his arrogance more than anything. If he had been less flamboyant Eliot Ness never would have locked horns with him.

Now that's
the human race is miserably illogical, cruel, self-destructive and stupid.


fyp
 
2014-02-15 07:02:06 PM

Death Whisper: A horde of future democrats beating and robbing a disabled veteran? No way!!


Alas, they will not be future Democrats, as Republican efforts of voter disenfranchisement will prevent them.
 
2014-02-15 07:03:51 PM

Panty Sniffer: fatcurlytoes: I like how the stock photo they used is of a white person's wrists in handcuffs. Uh, no.

Maybe the teenagers were white.  The article does not specify the race of the teenagers.


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2014-02-15 07:06:36 PM

Nabb1: Why do morons film these things on their cell phones?


Because ^^^
 
2014-02-15 07:07:39 PM
My only worry about the "knockout game" is that all the breathless "OMG KNOCKOUT GAME IS TOTES FOR REAL" coverage in the media would actually make it a real thing.  I hope that isn't beginning here.
 
2014-02-15 07:10:08 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Who said mugging was a myth?


Hey, looks it's my favorite idiot.
 
2014-02-15 07:14:52 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Given the color of the assailants and the victim, I am surprised this is national news.  Now, if it had been the other way around....


Interesting how you observed something that disproves your biases, yet used it to convince yourself that they're right.
 
2014-02-15 07:22:46 PM

neongoats: So getting mugged in a fairly normal, predictable nature by shiatty teenagers is a myth?

Hop on off your cross there, right wingidiots.


The 'kids' chose him because of his race. Flip the coin and there's national outrage. It's hypocrisy. I'm white. I've been yelled at and threatened because of it. The difference is: most people don't give a sh*t.
 
2014-02-15 07:28:17 PM

Ready-set: neongoats: So getting mugged in a fairly normal, predictable nature by shiatty teenagers is a myth?

Hop on off your cross there, right wingidiots.

The 'kids' chose him because of his race. It's hypocrisy.


If indeed there is evidence that the victim was chosen because of his race, then prosecute it as a hate crime.  If it can be proven in court to be a hate crime, then sentence them accordingly.  What exactly is the problem?  Where is the hypocrisy?
 
2014-02-15 07:40:15 PM
Racism (against whites) isn't the right wing myth.

The right wing myth is that there's a race war going on with black people slaughtering white people en masse.

There are a number of farkers who posit this myth regularly.
 
2014-02-15 07:41:08 PM

ciberido: Ready-set: neongoats: So getting mugged in a fairly normal, predictable nature by shiatty teenagers is a myth?

Hop on off your cross there, right wingidiots.

The 'kids' chose him because of his race. It's hypocrisy.

If indeed there is evidence that the victim was chosen because of his race, then prosecute it as a hate crime.  If it can be proven in court to be a hate crime, then sentence them accordingly.  What exactly is the problem?  Where is the hypocrisy?


Hush now, you're getting in the way of his persecution complex.
 
2014-02-15 07:43:30 PM

Starshines: Pumpernickel bread: Given the color of the assailants and the victim, I am surprised this is national news.  Now, if it had been the other way around....

Interesting how you observed something that disproves your biases, yet used it to convince yourself that they're right.


What you said made no sense.   I suggest you go re-read the article, or perhaps another story on the event, then re-read what I wrote, and then respond, after putting some thought into it.  Don't just blurt something out as it may be, you know, nonsensical.
 
2014-02-15 07:52:17 PM
Not a hate crime!

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-15 08:05:24 PM
Personally,


I think -ANY- 'hate' crime legislation is completely ridiculous from the start.   So it's a worse crime if you murder someone because of their race than if you just murder them?   I don't think it's any worse.  They should both fry.  It does injustice to people just murdered when special punishment is handed down to others because it's a 'hate' crime.

One life isn't worth more than another.

Also, I don't necessarily think it makes it a hate crime if these kids were black and yelling racial epithets at the man.  Nor would I think it was a hate crime if a white guy was yelling you stupid n-word at someone he was fighting.   

It's a hate crime if the crime was done BECAUSE of the race... but if you get in a fight at a bar with a guy of a different race/sexuality/whatever and you happen to use derogatory names against him, how does that make it a hate crime?   Of course you are going to try to insult and degrade the person.  YOU ARE PUNCHING THEM IN THE FACE and visa versa.  I just don't get why some people are "more important" than others.


Crime is crime.
 
2014-02-15 08:11:25 PM
If approached and threatened by these people (any people) and I shoot them in the face, does that make me a bad person?
 
2014-02-15 08:18:36 PM

CygnusDarius: Rant time.

So, my tumblr is sometimes flooded with "POC need to stand together! The system is racist! White people are racist by default! Cultural assimilation is bad!!" rants, but when I say that racism -on any side of the spectrum- is actually not the disease, but the symptom of something worse (economic inequality), I get yelled at.

I take this bit of news as a sign of economic inequality: The poor get bad education, bad treatment from the authorities, and get told every single day by the media, and the political dittoheads that either a) they can't do anything because they are X or b) "Look at that guy! Look at how weird he looks, how different his beliefs/creed/etc are from yours. He is the ROOT of all your problems, and you should hate it!" of course you'll get reactions like this. Greedy people in power constantly harass the rest of us while the line their own pockets!.

So, in retrospect, as the line between the wealthy and the poor turns more and more into a canyon, expect more of these attacks, and more Zimmermans, and more Rush Limbaughs, and more hate spewed until we're all up against each other's throats.


I think you still miss the mark on the cause. It's actually not an uncommon belief as many liberals think the same way as you. That being poor makes somebody criminally minded and want to go out and commit crimes. Being poor doesn't make somebody evil any more than being rich makes somebody evil.
 
2014-02-15 08:23:30 PM

Electrify: Nice and tough against a disabled man. Let's see how well they stand up next to their cellmate.


Their cellmates will probably look a lot like them, and they will probably share a common abhorrence for old white guys.  They'll probably get along swimmingly.

/probably
 
2014-02-15 08:31:14 PM
So, all I have to do to get my stone G boy thug for life cred is round up some unemployed, racist douchebags and beat and rob a cripple?  We can't even raise the bar for "pile of dogsh*t" these days.
 
2014-02-15 08:38:01 PM
And people say the death penalty is wrong.  Pretty good case for it here.  Just cull the herd now and be done with these pieces of shiat.

/I'd bet the farm these assholes are all dead or in jail 20 years from now.
 
2014-02-15 08:39:02 PM

Vector R: Call me when they charge these pieces of subhuman waste with a hate crime.


They will never, ever, charge a black-on-white crime as a hate crime no matter how obvious it is.
 
2014-02-15 08:43:00 PM

Need_MindBleach: Vector R: Call me when they charge these pieces of subhuman waste with a hate crime.

They will never, ever, charge a black-on-white crime as a hate crime no matter how obvious it is.


When you look at from far enough away, all of the feminist, black, brown, pick an oppressed minority "struggle" seems to have devolved into one simple formula.  No matter what we do or say, you're not allowed to call us on our crap.  It doesn't seem to have made things any better for anybody, as far as I can tell.
 
2014-02-15 08:49:53 PM

Nabb1: Why do morons film these things on their cell phones?


To show their homies how awesome they are.
 
2014-02-15 08:52:11 PM

CygnusDarius: Re-reading my rant, I think I know why I get yelled at.

I live in Mexico, and I have to live with how the Mexican government/society/media acts, so I sometimes see similarities with it and the American homologue.


Or it's because you're wrong.  Potato, patoto.
 
2014-02-15 08:52:22 PM

Trailltrader: To quote from Ben Franklin:

I wish that the bald eagle had not been chosen as the representative of our country, he is a bird of bad moral character, he does not get his living honestly, you may have seen him perched on some dead tree, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the labor of the fishing-hawk, and when that diligent bird has at length taken a fish, and is bearing it to its nest for the support of his mate and young ones, the bald eagle pursues him and takes it from him....
Besides he is a rank coward; the little kingbird, not bigger than a sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the district. He is therefore by no means a proper emblem for the brave and honest. . . of America.. . . For a truth, the turkey is in comparison a much more respectable bird, and withal a true original native of America . . . a bird of courage, and would not hesitate to attack a grenadier of the British guards, who should presume to invade his farmyard with a red coat on.

So I'm with the kids on this one


I salute you. That was a Bill Watterson level of surreality you accomplished.
 
2014-02-15 09:06:58 PM

Death Whisper: A horde of future democrats beating and robbing a disabled veteran? No way!!


You actually believe these are voters?
 
2014-02-15 09:07:57 PM

Frederick: Death Whisper: A horde of future democrats beating and robbing a disabled veteran? No way!!

You actually believe these are voters?


He's just shillin' proper for his crew.
 
2014-02-15 09:08:42 PM

Caelistis: The answer is self-evident; empower more people like Zimmerman and begin culling. You'll have less first generation problems and with their, the poor blacks, declining breeding numbers from systematic removal, you'll have exponentially less problems as the generations progress from enacting the cull. As a result, you'll also have less expenditures for social programs and jails as well, so we'll all see quite a savings.


Plus we could feed the bodies of the dead to the surviving poor people.
 
2014-02-15 09:11:20 PM

ciberido: If indeed there is evidence that the victim was chosen because of his race, then prosecute it as a hate crime. If it can be proven in court to be a hate crime, then sentence them accordingly. What exactly is the problem? Where is the hypocrisy?


Alleged hypocrisy is based on the notion that crimes involving anti-black bias are disproportionately publicized, categorized and prosecuted as hate crimes compared to crimes involving anti-white bias. I don't think there's scientific evidence supporting the theory, but it is often suggested based on subjective anecdotal evidence, such as coverage of this story. While crime categorization is up to police, and prosecution is up to the prosecutor, the alleged crime and the 3 arrests happened more than a week ago; there has been no apparent response from civil rights groups, and five articles I checked mention alleged racial slurs used against the alleged victim, but only one discussed the possibility of racial bias or possible hate crime charges. On the other hand, it's a developing news story about an ongoing investigation; time will tell how it turns out.
 
2014-02-15 09:21:05 PM

T Baggins: Alleged hypocrisy is based on the notion that crimes involving anti-black bias are disproportionately publicized, categorized and prosecuted as hate crimes compared to crimes involving anti-white bias. I don't think there's scientific evidence supporting the theory, but it is often suggested based on subjective anecdotal evidence, such as coverage of this story. While crime categorization is up to police, and prosecution is up to the prosecutor, the alleged crime and the 3 arrests happened more than a week ago; there has been no apparent response from civil rights groups, and five articles I checked mention alleged racial slurs used against the alleged victim, but only one discussed the possibility of racial bias or possible hate crime charges. On the other hand, it's a developing news story about an ongoing investigation; time will tell how it turns out.


Sadly, the people who perpetrate hate crimes are seldom wont to subscribe to gymnastic behavioral assessments.
 
2014-02-15 09:50:54 PM
When I act like a good Chimper and post my true opinions on matters such as these, it seems like lately the comments are removed.

So here are my not real feelings on this.

De Troof beez RASIS!!!!

Try not to chimp out mods.
We aren't coming.
We are here.
And have been for some time.
Chimpout, get some branes morans.

I now return you o your false liberal programming.
 
2014-02-15 09:56:06 PM

Mr.BobDobalita: Personally,


I think -ANY- 'hate' crime legislation is completely ridiculous from the start.   So it's a worse crime if you murder someone because of their race than if you just murder them?   I don't think it's any worse.  They should both fry.  It does injustice to people just murdered when special punishment is handed down to others because it's a 'hate' crime.

One life isn't worth more than another.

Also, I don't necessarily think it makes it a hate crime if these kids were black and yelling racial epithets at the man.  Nor would I think it was a hate crime if a white guy was yelling you stupid n-word at someone he was fighting.   

It's a hate crime if the crime was done BECAUSE of the race... but if you get in a fight at a bar with a guy of a different race/sexuality/whatever and you happen to use derogatory names against him, how does that make it a hate crime?   Of course you are going to try to insult and degrade the person.  YOU ARE PUNCHING THEM IN THE FACE and visa versa.  I just don't get why some people are "more important" than others.


Crime is crime.


I tend to agree. Trying to split hairs and say "X commited this hideous crime because, and ONLY because, of the victims' race/gender/ethnicity/whatever," is to give X some kind of way out. Are we then to suppose that absent the minority status of the victim, X would otherwise be a nice, loving, law-abiding person and kind to animals? Some people say so, but except during war, when things are a little different, one invariably finds that perpetrators of hate crimes are ALSO nasty, vicious people who often have numerous other crimes on their jacket. One does not beat up a black person for no other reason than that person is black--one also beats up whites because [insert other factor here] because one is a bully and a brute. The black person is just an easier, less risky target.

It's the same way with any other "hate crime": Did X stick a burning cross in the victim's yard to show his contempt for their race/religion/ethnicity? Well, then I suspect he's got little regard for ANYONE'S property or personal rights, or anyone's religious freedom; it's just that the black/Jew/Muslim he chose to do this to was less likely to complain than his wealthier white neighbors. Most people don't view arson as a way of proclaiming their distaste for others. ARSONISTS do.

I understand the visceral appeal of labeling some crimes "hate crimes" and increasing the sentence accordingly; but it doesn't seem necessary, and I dislike anything that gives the criminal a forum to justify his actions. Call a murderer a murderer and an arsonist an arsonist. Don't let him explain his motives for doing it. Did he intend to do it? Then that's all that matters.
 
2014-02-15 10:15:30 PM

Thai_Mai_Xhu: When I act like a good Chimper and post my true opinions on matters such as these, it seems like lately the comments are removed.

So here are my not real feelings on this.

De Troof beez RASIS!!!!

Try not to chimp out mods.
We aren't coming.
We are here.
And have been for some time.
Chimpout, get some branes morans.

I now return you o your false liberal programming.


This whole post causes me liberal amounts of confusion...
 
2014-02-15 10:34:26 PM

Gyrfalcon: I understand the visceral appeal of labeling some crimes "hate crimes" and increasing the sentence accordingly; but it doesn't seem necessary, and I dislike anything that gives the criminal a forum to justify his actions. Call a murderer a murderer and an arsonist an arsonist. Don't let him explain his motives for doing it. Did he intend to do it? Then that's all that matters.


I never bought into the idea that the motivation for enacting hate crime laws and penalties was to empower minorities or show extra sensitivity.  It was to reward District Attorneys, judges, law enforcement, and legislators with the false perspective that they are tough on crime and garner minority appeal.
 
2014-02-15 10:39:55 PM

Olo Manolo: Thai_Mai_Xhu: When I act like a good Chimper and post my true opinions on matters such as these, it seems like lately the comments are removed.

So here are my not real feelings on this.

De Troof beez RASIS!!!!

Try not to chimp out mods.
We aren't coming.
We are here.
And have been for some time.
Chimpout, get some branes morans.

I now return you o your false liberal programming.

This whole post causes me liberal amounts of confusion...


Thanks!
Nothing I hate more than clearly stated opinions on national issues of personal safety and such!
Just screwing around on the net, not really a big issue, just time to give the slugs more salt in those little baggies.
Pretzels, I meant on their pretzels.
Keeps on smilin cuz!
 
2014-02-15 10:41:09 PM

bunner: Need_MindBleach: Vector R: Call me when they charge these pieces of subhuman waste with a hate crime.

They will never, ever, charge a black-on-white crime as a hate crime no matter how obvious it is.

When you look at from far enough away, all of the feminist, black, brown, pick an oppressed minority "struggle" seems to have devolved into one simple formula.  No matter what we do or say, you're not allowed to call us on our crap.  It doesn't seem to have made things any better for anybody, as far as I can tell.


Yep, the straight white male is the new targeted minority. But we apparently deserve it so it's ok.
 
2014-02-15 10:42:46 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mr.BobDobalita: Personally,


I think -ANY- 'hate' crime legislation is completely ridiculous from the start.   So it's a worse crime if you murder someone because of their race than if you just murder them?   I don't think it's any worse.  They should both fry.  It does injustice to people just murdered when special punishment is handed down to others because it's a 'hate' crime.

One life isn't worth more than another.

Also, I don't necessarily think it makes it a hate crime if these kids were black and yelling racial epithets at the man.  Nor would I think it was a hate crime if a white guy was yelling you stupid n-word at someone he was fighting.
It's a hate crime if the crime was done BECAUSE of the race... but if you get in a fight at a bar with a guy of a different race/sexuality/whatever and you happen to use derogatory names against him, how does that make it a hate crime?   Of course you are going to try to insult and degrade the person.  YOU ARE PUNCHING THEM IN THE FACE and visa versa.  I just don't get why some people are "more important" than others.


Crime is crime.

I tend to agree. Trying to split hairs and say "X commited this hideous crime because, and ONLY because, of the victims' race/gender/ethnicity/whatever," is to give X some kind of way out. Are we then to suppose that absent the minority status of the victim, X would otherwise be a nice, loving, law-abiding person and kind to animals? Some people say so, but except during war, when things are a little different, one invariably finds that perpetrators of hate crimes are ALSO nasty, vicious people who often have numerous other crimes on their jacket. One does not beat up a black person for no other reason than that person is black--one also beats up whites because [insert other factor here] because one is a bully and a brute. The black person is just an easier, less risky target.

It's the same way with any other "hate crime": Did X stick a burning cross in the victim's yard to show hi ...


C'mon, you both must know that mens rea matters. Your intent matters as well as the act, this is pretty basic stuff. It's how we differentiate various degrees of murder and manslaughter. Somebody dies and it's a crime, but whether you killed them because you were playing around with a gun and you didn't think it was loaded or whether you deliberately planned the attack 3 months in advance matters to us, as well it should. We care whether or not you deleted that file because you were just trying to clear space on your hard drive or because you were trying to keep it from getting into the hands of a grand jury. One is a dumbass mistake, one is obstruction of justice.

Your mental state matters for just about every crime on the books. Let's not pretend that that's unique to hate crimes.
 
2014-02-15 10:45:46 PM

Thai_Mai_Xhu: Olo Manolo: Thai_Mai_Xhu: When I act like a good Chimper and post my true opinions on matters such as these, it seems like lately the comments are removed.

So here are my not real feelings on this.

De Troof beez RASIS!!!!

Try not to chimp out mods.
We aren't coming.
We are here.
And have been for some time.
Chimpout, get some branes morans.

I now return you o your false liberal programming.

This whole post causes me liberal amounts of confusion...

Thanks!
Nothing I hate more than clearly stated opinions on national issues of personal safety and such!
Just screwing around on the net, not really a big issue, just time to give the slugs more salt in those little baggies.
Pretzels, I meant on their pretzels.
Keeps on smilin cuz!


I'm jealous of your drugs. they must be really good.
 
2014-02-15 10:47:47 PM

INeedAName: Why is this important?
1) Because when white people get beat up, it's national news
2) See #1
3) STFU and GBTW EVERYBODY PANIC


FTFY.
 
2014-02-15 11:29:53 PM

Nabb1: Why do morons film these things on their cell phones?


Are you trying to be serious or funny?
 
2014-02-15 11:33:59 PM
Never ceases to crack me up. When libs have to eat crow over previous comments that turn out to be false, they either make light of it, ignore it, or actually double down on their idiocy.
 
2014-02-15 11:51:52 PM

Ready-set: I'm white. I've been yelled at and threatened because of it.


Boo hoo.
 
2014-02-16 12:14:10 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Ready-set: I'm white. I've been yelled at and threatened because of it.

Boo hoo.


Three morons (read: wanna be trolls) have replied unsympathetically. Note that I wasn't crying. People are targeted based on what they look like all the time. My point is that all of the cases should be prosecuted equally. I'm seeing "Aw, poor white guy". Try using that on a different race and you get a different response. It is a double standard. Here's some bait for you: I am a white, rich, Christian male in the middle of the US. I win!

didir?
 
2014-02-16 12:30:35 AM

Ready-set: The My Little Pony Killer: Ready-set: I'm white. I've been yelled at and threatened because of it.

Boo hoo.

Three morons (read: wanna be trolls) have replied unsympathetically. Note that I wasn't crying. People are targeted based on what they look like all the time. My point is that all of the cases should be prosecuted equally. I'm seeing "Aw, poor white guy". Try using that on a different race and you get a different response. It is a double standard. Here's some bait for you: I am a white, rich, Christian male in the middle of the US. I win!

didir?


"Wh-wh-what!? are you comparing your situation to SLAVERY!? what kind of monster are you!?"
 
2014-02-16 01:02:38 AM

Frederick: Gyrfalcon: I understand the visceral appeal of labeling some crimes "hate crimes" and increasing the sentence accordingly; but it doesn't seem necessary, and I dislike anything that gives the criminal a forum to justify his actions. Call a murderer a murderer and an arsonist an arsonist. Don't let him explain his motives for doing it. Did he intend to do it? Then that's all that matters.

I never bought into the idea that the motivation for enacting hate crime laws and penalties was to empower minorities or show extra sensitivity.  It was to reward District Attorneys, judges, law enforcement, and legislators with the false perspective that they are tough on crime and garner minority appeal.


Good Lord, how lazy can you get?  It's not hard to Google "hate crime rationale" if you really don't understand why (some of us think that) we need hate crime legislation.  Here, I'll even do it for you:

We need hate crime legislation because "this conduct [hate crime] is thought to inflict greater individual and societal harm.... bias-motivated crimes are more likely to provoke retaliatory crimes, inflict distinct emotional harms on their victims, and incite community unrest."   ----  Chief Justice Rehnquist, 1993
 
2014-02-16 01:08:40 AM

Ready-set: The My Little Pony Killer: Ready-set: I'm white. I've been yelled at and threatened because of it.

Boo hoo.

Three morons (read: wanna be trolls) have replied unsympathetically. Note that I wasn't crying. People are targeted based on what they look like all the time. My point is that all of the cases should be prosecuted equally. I'm seeing "Aw, poor white guy". Try using that on a different race and you get a different response. It is a double standard. Here's some bait for you: I am a white, rich, Christian male in the middle of the US. I win!


Yeah.  You win a potato.

Dumbass.
 
2014-02-16 02:54:49 AM
I wonder if a car load of teens wanted to play the knock out game with Mike Dunn and it didn't end the way they expected?
 
2014-02-16 03:14:49 AM

TrotlineDesigns: I wonder if a car load of teens wanted to play the knock out game with Mike Dunn and it didn't end the way they expected?


Not likely, they'd have to get out of the car first.

/never heard of the Mike Dunn case until today
//wonder if there's something going on in Syria that the media feels we all need to be distracted from
///probably more nerve gas attacks
 
2014-02-16 03:37:27 AM

Frederick: Death Whisper: A horde of future democrats beating and robbing a disabled veteran? No way!!

You actually believe these are voters?


they voted for Obama in the last election, they're just not aware of it.
 
2014-02-16 04:24:54 AM

ciberido: Frederick: Gyrfalcon: I understand the visceral appeal of labeling some crimes "hate crimes" and increasing the sentence accordingly; but it doesn't seem necessary, and I dislike anything that gives the criminal a forum to justify his actions. Call a murderer a murderer and an arsonist an arsonist. Don't let him explain his motives for doing it. Did he intend to do it? Then that's all that matters.

I never bought into the idea that the motivation for enacting hate crime laws and penalties was to empower minorities or show extra sensitivity.  It was to reward District Attorneys, judges, law enforcement, and legislators with the false perspective that they are tough on crime and garner minority appeal.

Good Lord, how lazy can you get?  It's not hard to Google "hate crime rationale" if you really don't understand why (some of us think that) we need hate crime legislation.  Here, I'll even do it for you:

We need hate crime legislation because "this conduct [hate crime] is thought to inflict greater individual and societal harm.... bias-motivated crimes are more likely to provoke retaliatory crimes, inflict distinct emotional harms on their victims, and incite community unrest."   ----  Chief Justice Rehnquist, 1993


I disagree with you and Rehnquist.  It is simply an emotional appeal.  There is not a gray area for something like assault.  No one has said "I think it was assault but I'm not sure because I couldnt tell how the perpetrator felt".  Assault is no more or less a crime based upon ones attitude.  If assault is worthy of "x" penalty because the victim was a protected class, then assault is also worth "x" penalty for any victim.  Do not say one victim deserves more protection than another.  Your rationale is hardly rational, in fact it is entirely irrational and purely emotional.  You may have trouble understanding that.

/btw quoting a judge kinda supports my original assertion.
//You should have quoted a minority leader -pro tip
 
2014-02-16 04:58:43 AM

LavenderWolf: Racism (against whites) isn't the right wing myth.

The right wing myth is that there's a race war going on with black people slaughtering white people en masse.

There are a number of farkers who posit this myth regularly.


That's crazy that they would do that..  [citation needed]
 
2014-02-16 10:32:03 AM
fickenchucker:

/I'd bet the farm these assholes are all dead or in jail 20 years from now.

You're being very generous. I'd go for 7 years.
 
2014-02-16 12:40:47 PM

Ready-set: The My Little Pony Killer: Ready-set: I'm white. I've been yelled at and threatened because of it.

Boo hoo.

Three morons (read: wanna be trolls) have replied unsympathetically. Note that I wasn't crying. People are targeted based on what they look like all the time. My point is that all of the cases should be prosecuted equally. I'm seeing "Aw, poor white guy". Try using that on a different race and you get a different response. It is a double standard. Here's some bait for you: I am a white, rich, Christian male in the middle of the US. I win!

didir?


Yes, it is a double standard, but it's not white people who are being systematically worked against in this country, so I stand by my "boo hoo" from earlier, you poor pitiful white person you.

Oh no, somebody was mean to you at one point! Poor honkey!
 
2014-02-16 12:57:50 PM

Frederick: ciberido: Frederick: Gyrfalcon: I understand the visceral appeal of labeling some crimes "hate crimes" and increasing the sentence accordingly; but it doesn't seem necessary, and I dislike anything that gives the criminal a forum to justify his actions. Call a murderer a murderer and an arsonist an arsonist. Don't let him explain his motives for doing it. Did he intend to do it? Then that's all that matters.

I never bought into the idea that the motivation for enacting hate crime laws and penalties was to empower minorities or show extra sensitivity.  It was to reward District Attorneys, judges, law enforcement, and legislators with the false perspective that they are tough on crime and garner minority appeal.

Good Lord, how lazy can you get?  It's not hard to Google "hate crime rationale" if you really don't understand why (some of us think that) we need hate crime legislation.  Here, I'll even do it for you:

We need hate crime legislation because "this conduct [hate crime] is thought to inflict greater individual and societal harm.... bias-motivated crimes are more likely to provoke retaliatory crimes, inflict distinct emotional harms on their victims, and incite community unrest."   ----  Chief Justice Rehnquist, 1993

I disagree with you and Rehnquist.  It is simply an emotional appeal.  There is not a gray area for something like assault.  No one has said "I think it was assault but I'm not sure because I couldnt tell how the perpetrator felt".  Assault is no more or less a crime based upon ones attitude.  If assault is worthy of "x" penalty because the victim was a protected class, then assault is also worth "x" penalty for any victim.  Do not say one victim deserves more protection than another.  Your rationale is hardly rational, in fact it is entirely irrational and purely emotional.  You may have trouble understanding that.

/btw quoting a judge kinda supports my original assertion.
//You should have quoted a minority leader -pro tip


Bit of a change of tone there.  You started off with some points I wasn't sure how I would respond to.  I think I might actually have spent a fair bit of time coming up with a counter-argument if you had stopped there, instead of veering off into insults, mockery, and condescension.  So instead I'll just tell you to go fark yourself.

And I suppose I should thank you for saving me some time.
 
2014-02-16 02:37:49 PM
Ah, black racists behaving like the stereotyped caricatures they accuse white people of undeservedly painting them.

To think, MLKjr fought against racism only to have it bite everyone else in the ass, because no black person can be criticized now, or else if you do YOU'RE A RACIST! smfh
 
2014-02-16 03:36:30 PM
What's MLK now?

A street.

And there's some violence going down!

Run!   The media is out there!
 
2014-02-16 03:38:41 PM

ReverendJynxed: bunner: Need_MindBleach: Vector R: Call me when they charge these pieces of subhuman waste with a hate crime.

They will never, ever, charge a black-on-white crime as a hate crime no matter how obvious it is.

When you look at from far enough away, all of the feminist, black, brown, pick an oppressed minority "struggle" seems to have devolved into one simple formula.  No matter what we do or say, you're not allowed to call us on our crap.  It doesn't seem to have made things any better for anybody, as far as I can tell.

Yep, the straight white male is the new targeted minority. But we apparently deserve it so it's ok.




Your problem is that you are losing your privilege. You aren't special, and now you have to compete on equal footing with women and people of other races, colors, religion and sexual orientation.
 
2014-02-16 03:46:09 PM

what_now: Your problem is that you are losing your privilege. You aren't special, and now you have to compete on equal footing with women and people of other races, colors, religion and sexual orientation.


Oh, equal footing.  Good.  Give me what I want, and do it now or I'll stick a news camera up your ass and if you try and discredit me by calling up my misdeeds or ineptitude, I'll sue you for discrimination.  Man, I thought this day wold never come.  Out of Egypt!  *snort*
 
2014-02-16 04:12:18 PM
The oppressed never want equality or egalitarian redress.  They want to wear the oppressor's hat.  See - whole of history.  And the people chanting their mantras from their pluperfect bubble off piss politics and piety are neither political nor are they correct.  What they are is hedging their bets on the emerging oppressor class, believing that if they can dance the correct dance, they will somehow be able to skip up the wheel instead of being rolled beneath it.  I know college was a great place to act like you're defining the ways of the world, but it usually wears off after the 30th loan payment.
 
2014-02-16 08:23:04 PM

ciberido: Bit of a change of tone there. You started off with some points I wasn't sure how I would respond to. I think I might actually have spent a fair bit of time coming up with a counter-argument if you had stopped there, instead of veering off into insults, mockery, and condescension. So instead I'll just tell you to go fark yourself.

And I suppose I should thank you for saving me some time.


I didnt intend to insult, mock or condescend.  I thought I was level and sincere.  You may be projecting.  I'll ignore youre insults as miscommunication.

Regardless of how you interpreted my post, you neglected (were unable to?) to address valid points.
 
2014-02-16 10:27:25 PM

Frederick: ciberido: Bit of a change of tone there. You started off with some points I wasn't sure how I would respond to. I think I might actually have spent a fair bit of time coming up with a counter-argument if you had stopped there, instead of veering off into insults, mockery, and condescension. So instead I'll just tell you to go fark yourself.

And I suppose I should thank you for saving me some time.

I didnt intend to insult, mock or condescend.  I thought I was level and sincere.  You may be projecting.  I'll ignore youre insults as miscommunication.

Regardless of how you interpreted my post, you neglected (were unable to?) to address valid points.


Yeah, we're done.
 
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