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2014-02-15 03:56:22 PM  

jso2897: HammerHeadSnark: Let us not forget this little gem:

FTA: An infection struck O'Dell's heart three years ago. He said before that, he was perfectly healthy and didn't think he needed health insurance. He says now, he knows differently.

The thinking goes, "I'm young, I'm healthy, I have no need for health insurance; that stuff's for the old people." Then the unthinkable happens. "But I'm young! I'm supposed to be immortal. . . ."

Well, the latest anti-ACA con is to tell young people that they are "being forced to subsidize" old people. The idea being that "old people" are "somebody else", because you, yourself will NEVER get old or sick.
At this point, you have to be pretty retarded to listen.


I know several healthy young people that think it's unfair to subsidize old or sick people. I just tell them fine, opt out. But then you never get to sign up for insurance again.
 
2014-02-15 03:56:30 PM  

jayphat: Wait, am I reading this right that the guy initially got sick because he didn't have health insurance? As in, he chose not to have it because he didn't think he needed it? Then, when he needs it, "OMG! everyone is denying me coverage because I'm sick!" I'm glad the guy survived. Let this be a lesson for, at the least, catastrophic coverage.


Amazingly enough, the designers of the law had that in mind. The individual mandate -- to make sure everyone has insurance -- is there to eliminate free riders. That's combined with the guarantee that you can, in fact, get insurance.

It's almost as if the people who wrote the law thought about the problems and consequences.
 
2014-02-15 03:56:33 PM  
Of course if he has the $190 a month plan that means he has a $10,000 deductible and only 50% of the cost is covered. So he will just be declaring bankruptcy and the insurance company will pass the cost onto other customers.
 
2014-02-15 03:58:18 PM  

duke3522: I am disabled and on SSI, and I'm pretty sure the GOP want me dead.  You would think that would be a bad thing.  But on the really painful days, when all I want to do is roll over and die, I think about how that would give these farkers just what they want.

Fark Them!!  I'm going to hang on another 20 years just to piss these bastards off!!

/and to collect off my ex wife's social security account
//won't cost her a dime
///will still piss her off beyond belief


jp1.r0tt.com
 
2014-02-15 04:00:09 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: My religious beliefs say you should keep the heart you were born with, so I shouldn't have to pay for other people's transplants.


Oh, your religious beliefs? That's different. Just like with gay marriage, da gummint has no right to force heart transplants on you: your religion is against it so nobody should ever be allowed to get one ever.

Off-topic Peeve: What do they mean "force gay marriage on people?" Nobody's trying to make anybody do same-sex marriage. When will straight people stop flattering themselves?
 
2014-02-15 04:04:30 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-15 04:05:09 PM  
tell me again why I owe this guy money?
 
2014-02-15 04:06:37 PM  
Some deserving Job Creator was swindled out of that heart!
 
2014-02-15 04:07:23 PM  
Broken clock.
 
2014-02-15 04:07:36 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: tell me again why I owe this guy money?




Tell me again why the fire department should put out your house if it's on fire? It's not my problem, why should I pay for your house?
 
2014-02-15 04:08:21 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: tell me again why I owe this guy money?


Relax. Minors are exempt from the social contract. We don't expect you to act like a grownup until you're eighteen.
 
2014-02-15 04:09:33 PM  

HammerHeadSnark: Let us not forget this little gem:


FTA: An infection struck O'Dell's heart three years ago. He said before that, he was perfectly healthy and didn't think he needed health insurance. He says now, he knows differently.


The thinking goes, "I'm young, I'm healthy, I have no need for health insurance; that stuff's for the old people." Then the unthinkable happens. "But I'm young! I'm supposed to be immortal. . . ."



That's why the mandate is the most important aspect of any reform.  If only one thing had been done, that should be it.

Also, this guy was a little long in the tooth to have gone without at least a bare bones plan.
 
2014-02-15 04:14:42 PM  

SpeedyBB: Uh,

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government 
take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford


Your point is taken, but the real time to worry about that is when American citizens stop being "us" in the eyes of government, and become "them". Which is where the GOP seems to want to go.
 
2014-02-15 04:18:15 PM  
Tom Perkins wants that heart.
 
2014-02-15 04:24:53 PM  

yakmans_dad: jayphat: Wait, am I reading this right that the guy initially got sick because he didn't have health insurance? As in, he chose not to have it because he didn't think he needed it? Then, when he needs it, "OMG! everyone is denying me coverage because I'm sick!" I'm glad the guy survived. Let this be a lesson for, at the least, catastrophic coverage.

Amazingly enough, the designers of the law had that in mind. The individual mandate -- to make sure everyone has insurance -- is there to eliminate free riders. That's combined with the guarantee that you can, in fact, get insurance.

It's almost as if the people who wrote the law thought about the problems and consequences.


I'm fine with mandating catastrophic coverage. Mandating minimum coverage, than listing a bunch of preventative care that must be covered 100% that people won't need because, doesn't count as minimum coverage.  As an example, I'm a guy and don't need to see a gynecologist but it must be on any plan under the ACA 100%. Now that's just silly.
 
2014-02-15 04:26:15 PM  
I think one of those kids might be the mailman's, or Nordberg's.
 
2014-02-15 04:27:50 PM  
Obamacare is no more insurance than food stamps are insurance. It's a government handout. This guy personally decided not to buy insurance and then stuck it to the taxpayers when he got sick. Rather than applauding him you should be asking yourself why were you paying premiums-- money you could have been spending on furry costumes or marijuana or whatever it is you farkers do with your spare change-- rather than subsidizing guys like this?
 
2014-02-15 04:29:18 PM  
Because of the expansion I have been accepted by Medi-Cal. I really cannot express how good that makes me feel moving forward with my life. It's nice to say "Thanks Obama" in a non-ironic sense.
 
2014-02-15 04:30:17 PM  

haywatchthis: Molavian: haywatchthis: needed insurance to pay for $4000 a month drugs not a heat transplant

No, he needed to see a f*cking doctor before his goddamn heart rotted out of his chest due to an infection.

"While we could have done the transplant even without charging him, the medication he would never be able to afford," said Dr. Andrew Kao, his heart specialist.


I'm not sure exactly what point it is that you're trying to make. He didn't get the transplant before because he couldn't afford, and couldn't get insurance coverage for, the associated costs...ie the anti-rejection drugs. Sure, he could have gotten the transplant before, if the doctors and facilities had donated their services, but it would have been pointless when he'd have immediately rejected the new organ (and actually I'm pretty sure the transplant board takes that into account, so the doctor saying they could have done it still doesn't mean it would have been approved). Thanks to the ACA he was able to get insurance that covers the anti-rejection drugs, so now he has a new heart.
 
2014-02-15 04:31:23 PM  

nickdaisy: Obamacare is no more insurance than food stamps are insurance. It's a government handout. This guy personally decided not to buy insurance and then stuck it to the taxpayers when he got sick. Rather than applauding him you should be asking yourself why were you paying premiums-- money you could have been spending on furry costumes or marijuana or whatever it is you farkers do with your spare change-- rather than subsidizing guys like this?


Of course, when this is the quality of your opposition, one should probably endeavor to remain really, really humble about winning.
 
2014-02-15 04:31:27 PM  

jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: Wait, am I reading this right that the guy initially got sick because he didn't have health insurance? As in, he chose not to have it because he didn't think he needed it? Then, when he needs it, "OMG! everyone is denying me coverage because I'm sick!" I'm glad the guy survived. Let this be a lesson for, at the least, catastrophic coverage.

Amazingly enough, the designers of the law had that in mind. The individual mandate -- to make sure everyone has insurance -- is there to eliminate free riders. That's combined with the guarantee that you can, in fact, get insurance.

It's almost as if the people who wrote the law thought about the problems and consequences.

I'm fine with mandating catastrophic coverage. Mandating minimum coverage, than listing a bunch of preventative care that must be covered 100% that people won't need because, doesn't count as minimum coverage.  As an example, I'm a guy and don't need to see a gynecologist but it must be on any plan under the ACA 100%. Now that's just silly.


So, you are under the impression that the policies available under the ACA mandate coverage of 100% of all costs?
 
2014-02-15 04:31:41 PM  

nickdaisy: Obamacare is no more insurance than food stamps are insurance. It's a government handout. This guy personally decided not to buy insurance and then stuck it to the taxpayers when he got sick. Rather than applauding him you should be asking yourself why were you paying premiums-- money you could have been spending on furry costumes or marijuana or whatever it is you farkers do with your spare change-- rather than subsidizing guys like this?


If only there were some system in place that would mandate some sort of affordable coverage to prevent that sort of abuse.
 
2014-02-15 04:33:00 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: nickdaisy: Obamacare is no more insurance than food stamps are insurance. It's a government handout. This guy personally decided not to buy insurance and then stuck it to the taxpayers when he got sick. Rather than applauding him you should be asking yourself why were you paying premiums-- money you could have been spending on furry costumes or marijuana or whatever it is you farkers do with your spare change-- rather than subsidizing guys like this?

If only there were some system in place that would mandate some sort of affordable coverage to prevent that sort of abuse.


Do you think that if he didn't see it when he typed it with his own fingers, he will see it when you point it out to him?
 
2014-02-15 04:35:58 PM  

jso2897: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: nickdaisy: Obamacare is no more insurance than food stamps are insurance. It's a government handout. This guy personally decided not to buy insurance and then stuck it to the taxpayers when he got sick. Rather than applauding him you should be asking yourself why were you paying premiums-- money you could have been spending on furry costumes or marijuana or whatever it is you farkers do with your spare change-- rather than subsidizing guys like this?

If only there were some system in place that would mandate some sort of affordable coverage to prevent that sort of abuse.

Do you think that if he didn't see it when he typed it with his own fingers, he will see it when you point it out to him?


I saw it more as area man passionate defender of what he imagines health care law to be.
 
2014-02-15 04:38:16 PM  

yakmans_dad: jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: Wait, am I reading this right that the guy initially got sick because he didn't have health insurance? As in, he chose not to have it because he didn't think he needed it? Then, when he needs it, "OMG! everyone is denying me coverage because I'm sick!" I'm glad the guy survived. Let this be a lesson for, at the least, catastrophic coverage.

Amazingly enough, the designers of the law had that in mind. The individual mandate -- to make sure everyone has insurance -- is there to eliminate free riders. That's combined with the guarantee that you can, in fact, get insurance.

It's almost as if the people who wrote the law thought about the problems and consequences.

I'm fine with mandating catastrophic coverage. Mandating minimum coverage, than listing a bunch of preventative care that must be covered 100% that people won't need because, doesn't count as minimum coverage.  As an example, I'm a guy and don't need to see a gynecologist but it must be on any plan under the ACA 100%. Now that's just silly.


So, you are under the impression that the policies available under the ACA mandate coverage of 100% of all costs?  the ACA mandates policies that cover 100% of costs?

(Don't cook and farkl. )
 
2014-02-15 04:39:57 PM  

SpeedyBB: Uh,
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government 
take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian."

―snocone: Ya know, at first, the idea that we should give American citizens health insurance WITH THEIR OWN MONEY instead of just giving it to Congress, was sorta a good one.
But now,,,
watching the GOP reaction just proves all to hell that it was the best farking idea of the past 50 years.

Now, finish the job and nationalize Pharma and put the criminals back on the street.
Nationalize the hospitals before Rick Scott does.
That Insurance Industry, tough nut.

We are headed in the right direction.
Stay On Target!

Uh,

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government 
take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford


Because private capitalists have such a better track record.
 
2014-02-15 04:40:53 PM  

yakmans_dad: jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: Wait, am I reading this right that the guy initially got sick because he didn't have health insurance? As in, he chose not to have it because he didn't think he needed it? Then, when he needs it, "OMG! everyone is denying me coverage because I'm sick!" I'm glad the guy survived. Let this be a lesson for, at the least, catastrophic coverage.

Amazingly enough, the designers of the law had that in mind. The individual mandate -- to make sure everyone has insurance -- is there to eliminate free riders. That's combined with the guarantee that you can, in fact, get insurance.

It's almost as if the people who wrote the law thought about the problems and consequences.

I'm fine with mandating catastrophic coverage. Mandating minimum coverage, than listing a bunch of preventative care that must be covered 100% that people won't need because, doesn't count as minimum coverage.  As an example, I'm a guy and don't need to see a gynecologist but it must be on any plan under the ACA 100%. Now that's just silly.

So, you are under the impression that the policies available under the ACA mandate coverage of 100% of all costs?


Of certain things, yes. Contraceptives, once(twice?) a year physical check-ups, and a few other things. Things that not all people need.
 
2014-02-15 04:47:44 PM  

cynicalbastard: SpeedyBB: Uh,
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government 
take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian."

―snocone: Ya know, at first, the idea that we should give American citizens health insurance WITH THEIR OWN MONEY instead of just giving it to Congress, was sorta a good one.
But now,,,
watching the GOP reaction just proves all to hell that it was the best farking idea of the past 50 years.

Now, finish the job and nationalize Pharma and put the criminals back on the street.
Nationalize the hospitals before Rick Scott does.
That Insurance Industry, tough nut.

We are headed in the right direction.
Stay On Target!

Uh,

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government 
take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford

I know even a broken clock is right twice a day, but quoting industrialist robber baron Nazi sympathisers won't get you too many points in my book.


OH, so we follow what Henry Ford says now? Yay, workers all get unions and get better pay!
 
2014-02-15 04:47:50 PM  

jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: Wait, am I reading this right that the guy initially got sick because he didn't have health insurance? As in, he chose not to have it because he didn't think he needed it? Then, when he needs it, "OMG! everyone is denying me coverage because I'm sick!" I'm glad the guy survived. Let this be a lesson for, at the least, catastrophic coverage.

Amazingly enough, the designers of the law had that in mind. The individual mandate -- to make sure everyone has insurance -- is there to eliminate free riders. That's combined with the guarantee that you can, in fact, get insurance.

It's almost as if the people who wrote the law thought about the problems and consequences.

I'm fine with mandating catastrophic coverage. Mandating minimum coverage, than listing a bunch of preventative care that must be covered 100% that people won't need because, doesn't count as minimum coverage.  As an example, I'm a guy and don't need to see a gynecologist but it must be on any plan under the ACA 100%. Now that's just silly.

So, you are under the impression that the policies available under the ACA mandate coverage of 100% of all costs?

Of certain things, yes. Contraceptives, once(twice?) a year physical check-ups, and a few other things. Things that not all people need.


So it covers everything some of the times.

(I wonder if there's a Fark meme that's apt here?)
 
2014-02-15 04:50:10 PM  

relcec: it's nice having sort of universal coverage. it just sucks that the dmeocrats have become so corpocratic that we chose literally the worst possible way to do it immaginable which won't even slow down medical inlfation, which is the real reason we have a problem in first place.
I know, at least the dmeocrats care, about the shareholders.


Medical inflation is, in fact, slowing.
 
2014-02-15 04:50:17 PM  

DubyaHater: FTFA: Anti-rejection medicine costs $4,000 a month and must be taken daily to keep the new heart.

This is the next hurdle to tackle. There has to be a better method for negotiating the cost of medications. A Single Payer system would be very helpful.
/I am not a communist


Well, he already has a better method than before: his insurance company.  I bet that $4000 was his cost as an uninsured cash patient.
 
2014-02-15 04:52:47 PM  

snocone: Cagey B: Oh and jokes aside, killing this dude and others like him was the reason Republicans felt motivated to shut down the government and take the world economy hostage.

As soon as this guy recovers, he should go down to Ted Cruz's office and kick him square in the balls.

Why wait 3 months. I'll go for him, now.


I'll hold your coat while you do it.
 
2014-02-15 05:02:05 PM  

yakmans_dad: jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: Wait, am I reading this right that the guy initially got sick because he didn't have health insurance? As in, he chose not to have it because he didn't think he needed it? Then, when he needs it, "OMG! everyone is denying me coverage because I'm sick!" I'm glad the guy survived. Let this be a lesson for, at the least, catastrophic coverage.

Amazingly enough, the designers of the law had that in mind. The individual mandate -- to make sure everyone has insurance -- is there to eliminate free riders. That's combined with the guarantee that you can, in fact, get insurance.

It's almost as if the people who wrote the law thought about the problems and consequences.

I'm fine with mandating catastrophic coverage. Mandating minimum coverage, than listing a bunch of preventative care that must be covered 100% that people won't need because, doesn't count as minimum coverage.  As an example, I'm a guy and don't need to see a gynecologist but it must be on any plan under the ACA 100%. Now that's just silly.

So, you are under the impression that the policies available under the ACA mandate coverage of 100% of all costs?

Of certain things, yes. Contraceptives, once(twice?) a year physical check-ups, and a few other things. Things that not all people need.

So it covers everything some of the times.

(I wonder if there's a Fark meme that's apt here?)


are you farking high? I never said the ACA mandated all policies cover everything 100%. There are certain things the ACA mandates must be covered 100% with no copay to the patient however.
 
2014-02-15 05:02:55 PM  

organizmx: So in the comments one dude writes this:

"This guy needed a new job that would provide coverage..not a handout from the rest of us."

So then the sister member of the guy who got the transplant responds:

"He had a job which he couldn't keep because of his health issues which began over 3 years ago. It took the doctors many months to diagnose his condition. He was young, healthy, working, supporting his family and not looking for any handouts from anyone. He got sick, lost his job, his insurance, etc etc. I am not a fan of Obamacare and do not wish to get into some sort of political debate with anyone. All I know is because of the new law my brother's life was saved, my niece and nephews have their father back and my parents did not lose a son."


So Obamacare literally saves her brother's life, but she's still not a fan of it. This is why America will never, ever have nice things that the rest of the first world has.


Leaving aside the sister's response, that has to be one of the most ignorant comments I've seen in a while. Who could honestly think anyone on the heart transplant list is fit as a fiddle and able work if only they would pick their lazy ass up off the couch and go find a job?

Luckily he was able to get a heart and now stands a chance of reentering the workforce and paying taxes again instead of being on disability until his kids collect his death benefits.
 
2014-02-15 05:02:56 PM  
FTA: Anti-rejection medicine costs $4,000 a month and must be taken daily to keep the new heart.

I... I think I want to throw up. :-(

WHY THE F**K DO THEY COST THAT MUCH?!!
 
2014-02-15 05:06:31 PM  

patrick767: Obviously we should just let people die like the states that have refused to expand medicaid coverage that will almost entirely be paid for by the federal government.


I gripe about Kentucky Medicaid's refusal to pay for dentures or gingivectomy but KY's dental coverage for adults would be about enough for somebody who brushes & flosses daily and isn't genetically  predisposed to periodontal disease, though my 25 years of two packs a day didn't help either. Most states will only pay for whatever emergency dental care a regular MD could do in the ER, like pull the tooth and prescribe antibiotics. The states are required to be pretty generous with kids though.
 
2014-02-15 05:08:29 PM  

jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: Wait, am I reading this right that the guy initially got sick because he didn't have health insurance? As in, he chose not to have it because he didn't think he needed it? Then, when he needs it, "OMG! everyone is denying me coverage because I'm sick!" I'm glad the guy survived. Let this be a lesson for, at the least, catastrophic coverage.

Amazingly enough, the designers of the law had that in mind. The individual mandate -- to make sure everyone has insurance -- is there to eliminate free riders. That's combined with the guarantee that you can, in fact, get insurance.

It's almost as if the people who wrote the law thought about the problems and consequences.

I'm fine with mandating catastrophic coverage. Mandating minimum coverage, than listing a bunch of preventative care that must be covered 100% that people won't need because, doesn't count as minimum coverage.  As an example, I'm a guy and don't need to see a gynecologist but it must be on any plan under the ACA 100%. Now that's just silly.

So, you are under the impression that the policies available under the ACA mandate coverage of 100% of all costs?

Of certain things, yes. Contraceptives, once(twice?) a year physical check-ups, and a few other things. Things that not all people need.

So it covers everything some of the times.

(I wonder if there's a Fark meme that's apt here?)

are you farking high? I never said the ACA mandated all policies cover everything 100%. There are certain things the ACA mandates must be covered 100% with no copay to the patient however.



What can I tell you, kid? You're right. When you're right, you're right, and you're right.  (I misread)
 
2014-02-15 05:08:46 PM  

Cagey B: This will just encourage people to be irresponsible with their hearts and constantly pick fights with Kano and that "Kali-Maaaaa" guy.


i.imgur.com i.imgur.com i.imgur.com

Point of Fact: Its been well known now that Obamacare specifically exempts any injuries resulting from Mortal Kombat. Its a demonstrated flaw---try going into any ER and getting help for your spine once Kintaro stomps on it. Max Baucus probably works for Shao Khan now.
 
2014-02-15 05:09:48 PM  

Captain Steroid: FTA: Anti-rejection medicine costs $4,000 a month and must be taken daily to keep the new heart.

I... I think I want to throw up. :-(

WHY THE F**K DO THEY COST THAT MUCH?!!


Because they know you have to take them or die.

That's what our medical industry gets down to; give us money or die.
 
2014-02-15 05:13:04 PM  

BalugaJoe: Oklahoma Joe in Olathe has really good BBQ.


Most understated thing I've read today.
 
2014-02-15 05:13:27 PM  

snocone: GDISM, the GOP promised Death Panels and THIS is what we get??


Yeah, I'm looking for your posting about death panels about the denied lung transplant girl... and "If she dies, she dies" comment from  the Health Adminstration....

I cant seem to find it though.   Better to ignore that, and cherry pick this one.

Oh look.  He was simply a 40 year old healthy guy with a family who chose not to get insurance,... just because he didnt want to do it.

Exactly what will happen today.

We just have a 'hey, wait till you get sick to sign up" option.
 
kth
2014-02-15 05:16:19 PM  

Mrtraveler01: BalugaJoe: Oklahoma Joe in Olathe has really good BBQ.

Most understated thing I've read today.


Yes, but if you go to the one in KCK, you don't have to, you know, be in Olathe.
 
2014-02-15 05:16:28 PM  
But will it cover Riki-Oh related injuries?

31.media.tumblr.com

31.media.tumblr.com

modernborefare.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-15 05:22:43 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: nickdaisy: Obamacare is no more insurance than food stamps are insurance. It's a government handout. This guy personally decided not to buy insurance and then stuck it to the taxpayers when he got sick. Rather than applauding him you should be asking yourself why were you paying premiums-- money you could have been spending on furry costumes or marijuana or whatever it is you farkers do with your spare change-- rather than subsidizing guys like this?

If only there were some system in place that would mandate some sort of affordable coverage to prevent that sort of abuse.


The system doesn't make them buy insurance.  If simple charges them a token amount.  They will simply pay the fee, wait for the heart transplant, then sign up.

The guy was 40 years old with a family and didn't think health insurance was a prudent move.

He is an idiot.
 
2014-02-15 05:28:16 PM  
So ...

Healthcare according to the Democrats: A heart transplant.
Healthcare according to the Republicans: An ultrasound wand in your vagina.
 
2014-02-15 05:31:09 PM  

jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: Wait, am I reading this right that the guy initially got sick because he didn't have health insurance? As in, he chose not to have it because he didn't think he needed it? Then, when he needs it, "OMG! everyone is denying me coverage because I'm sick!" I'm glad the guy survived. Let this be a lesson for, at the least, catastrophic coverage.

Amazingly enough, the designers of the law had that in mind. The individual mandate -- to make sure everyone has insurance -- is there to eliminate free riders. That's combined with the guarantee that you can, in fact, get insurance.

It's almost as if the people who wrote the law thought about the problems and consequences.

I'm fine with mandating catastrophic coverage. Mandating minimum coverage, than listing a bunch of preventative care that must be covered 100% that people won't need because, doesn't count as minimum coverage.  As an example, I'm a guy and don't need to see a gynecologist but it must be on any plan under the ACA 100%. Now that's just silly.


This is what a guy who has never seen insurance sounds like.
 
2014-02-15 05:31:57 PM  

yakmans_dad: jayphat: yakmans_dad: jayphat: Wait, am I reading this right that the guy initially got sick because he didn't have health insurance? As in, he chose not to have it because he didn't think he needed it? Then, when he needs it, "OMG! everyone is denying me coverage because I'm sick!" I'm glad the guy survived. Let this be a lesson for, at the least, catastrophic coverage.

Amazingly enough, the designers of the law had that in mind. The individual mandate -- to make sure everyone has insurance -- is there to eliminate free riders. That's combined with the guarantee that you can, in fact, get insurance.

It's almost as if the people who wrote the law thought about the problems and consequences.

I'm fine with mandating catastrophic coverage. Mandating minimum coverage, than listing a bunch of preventative care that must be covered 100% that people won't need because, doesn't count as minimum coverage.  As an example, I'm a guy and don't need to see a gynecologist but it must be on any plan under the ACA 100%. Now that's just silly.

So, you are under the impression that the policies available under the ACA mandate coverage of 100% of all costs?


I believe he is trying to say that married gay men don't need to be required to pay for gynecologist care, not that everything needs to be covered.

It's the argument that when you buy auto insurance, you simply need to be required to pay for coverage that repairs cars of other people.
If you want towing coverage, gap insurance, rental coverage, that is all on you.

Nobody sheds a tear about women getting cheaper auto rates, but you you try to let men get cheaper health rates because they don't take a day off and go to the doctor every two weeks, you are a misogynist.
 
2014-02-15 05:33:10 PM  

kth: Mrtraveler01: BalugaJoe: Oklahoma Joe in Olathe has really good BBQ.

Most understated thing I've read today.

Yes, but if you go to the one in KCK, you don't have to, you know, be in Olathe.


Good point.

/there's a new one now in Leawood too
 
2014-02-15 05:34:21 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: organizmx: So in the comments one dude writes this:

"This guy needed a new job that would provide coverage..not a handout from the rest of us."

So then the sister member of the guy who got the transplant responds:

"He had a job which he couldn't keep because of his health issues which began over 3 years ago. It took the doctors many months to diagnose his condition. He was young, healthy, working, supporting his family and not looking for any handouts from anyone. He got sick, lost his job, his insurance, etc etc. I am not a fan of Obamacare and do not wish to get into some sort of political debate with anyone. All I know is because of the new law my brother's life was saved, my niece and nephews have their father back and my parents did not lose a son."


So Obamacare literally saves her brother's life, but she's still not a fan of it. This is why America will never, ever have nice things that the rest of the first world has.

Leaving aside the sister's response, that has to be one of the most ignorant comments I've seen in a while. Who could honestly think anyone on the heart transplant list is fit as a fiddle and able work if only they would pick their lazy ass up off the couch and go find a job?

Luckily he was able to get a heart and now stands a chance of reentering the workforce and paying taxes again instead of being on disability until his kids collect his death benefits.


Heart transplants are the new T-bone steaks and lobster.
 
2014-02-15 05:37:02 PM  

Uncle Tractor: So ...

Healthcare according to the Democrats: A heart transplant.
Healthcare according to the Republicans: An ultrasound wand in your vagina.


An ultrasound wand in your vagina while screaming "MAN MONEY SHOULD NOT PAY FOR THIS" according to this thread.
 
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