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2014-02-15 05:23:43 PM

jvl: grumpfuff: If people don't want weed to wreck tThere are plenty of ways to grow pot that does not wreck the environment.

Yep. Grow it yourself and you do not harm the environment or contribute money to cartels. I have no problem with that. But most people who smoke are both jackasses and lazy, so they don't.


Judgmental much? Also, you cannot prove that anyone here supports cartels.

You're trolling, right? If not, state your opinions with a bit less derp, please.
 
2014-02-15 05:23:57 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Eliminate the un-natural element from the situation. Poisons and insecticides should'nt be available without a permit. They should only be available to proffesionals

Or just legalize Cannabis. Naw, let's setup another expensive, expansive government bureaucracy to save us from the evil of fertilizers and pesticides.

I agree it should be leaglized. But that wont stop illicit growers from still growing and selling on the black market.
The government already has the agencies and laws in place. The FDA, EPA, Dept of the interior. The products available to the public are ineffective and dangerous when mis-used.

Well, if the regulations and tax rates are reasonable, that would dry up most of the black market. You won't see illegal multi thousand plant grows because it would presumably be cheaper and less of a hassle and risk to grow it legally 'in the open'.

I realize the end of alcohol prohibition didn't end bootlegging, but it is now a tiny, tiny portion of the market the only still exists as a tax dodge.



That is a big if
 
2014-02-15 05:26:14 PM

Crazy Lee: Repo Man: AbuHashish: I expect to see many more articles voicing concern over legal marijuana in the months to come. Cartels in Colorado mentioned in Drudge today with no stated evidence and rants about weed falling into the hands of children because legal, etc. It's clear there's still a vocal fear mongering opposition. The law narrowly passed in Washington and only a few counties are on board.

Ok. What has any of that to do with TFA?

TFA:  "The problem is we have wild rodents out here that are going to eat the rat poisons, and then they become little time bombs,"

So, dopers kill any wildlife that eat the poisoned rodents.  The horror!  `Marijuana is THE gateway drug'.  Failing to mention the fact that it is the exposure of any tender little procurer, in search of weed, to the black market of substances that is the only `gateway' involved never crosses the mind of the `concerned'.  Taxpayers are actually the only guilty actors (fund the war - eat the dead wildlife).  Meth heads have dumped their `cook' leftovers in our woods (piles of 5 gal. buckets - some always seem to leak).  If I had my druthers, anyone over 21 could buy dexedrine/benzedrine OTC at just enough above cost so as to fund eventual treatment of those who want it and to lock up anyone (any substance) who interferes with the life/liberty of another citizen for a mandatory minimum.  Have a care for one's own `temperance'.

/every old line of bullshiat will be dusted off, draped over the MSM and drug out along the dead-cat-walk over the coming months




The damage done by these gardens is not hyperbole.

Butte County Supervisor Bill Connelly, a conservative who describes himself as "definitely not an environmentalist," shares this belief. He contends that ramping up the war on pot because of trespass grows will ultimately fail to either eradicate the farms or protect Mother Nature. As a result, he's calling for the legalization of marijuana nationwide, joining a cadre of unlikely advocates on the right, including current Humboldt County Sheriff Mike Downey.
 
2014-02-15 05:29:54 PM

BluVeinThrobber: Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Eliminate the un-natural element from the situation. Poisons and insecticides should'nt be available without a permit. They should only be available to proffesionals

Or just legalize Cannabis. Naw, let's setup another expensive, expansive government bureaucracy to save us from the evil of fertilizers and pesticides.

I agree it should be leaglized. But that wont stop illicit growers from still growing and selling on the black market.
The government already has the agencies and laws in place. The FDA, EPA, Dept of the interior. The products available to the public are ineffective and dangerous when mis-used.

Well, if the regulations and tax rates are reasonable, that would dry up most of the black market. You won't see illegal multi thousand plant grows because it would presumably be cheaper and less of a hassle and risk to grow it legally 'in the open'.

I realize the end of alcohol prohibition didn't end bootlegging, but it is now a tiny, tiny portion of the market the only still exists as a tax dodge.


That is a big if


Agreed. I live in Colorado and there are two things that are keeping the grey market dominate. The tax rate is excessive and most cities and counties have banned retail sales. We have a long way to go, but we are on the right track, imo.
 
2014-02-15 05:30:05 PM

Repo Man: unlikely advocates on the right, including current Humboldt County Sheriff Mike Downey


It's not "unlikely" if you've spent much time in Humboldt. Even the convenience stores have trimming scissors.
 
2014-02-15 05:30:33 PM
I'm surprised to govt hasn't done something like inject all the pot plants with strichtnine or wolfsbane extract.

They did stuff line that during prohibition to scare people off bootlegging. Killed thousands.

Just a nightly news mention and a few ads in the paper and a notice on every pot farm that these plants have been rendered poisonous. Etc.

/only the farms in the woods
//growing your own should be legal
///much rather pot than alcohol be legal
////can't stand either, I suck.
 
2014-02-15 05:35:47 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Eliminate the un-natural element from the situation. Poisons and insecticides should'nt be available without a permit. They should only be available to proffesionals

Or just legalize Cannabis. Naw, let's setup another expensive, expansive government bureaucracy to save us from the evil of fertilizers and pesticides.

I agree it should be leaglized. But that wont stop illicit growers from still growing and selling on the black market.
The government already has the agencies and laws in place. The FDA, EPA, Dept of the interior. The products available to the public are ineffective and dangerous when mis-used.

Well, if the regulations and tax rates are reasonable, that would dry up most of the black market. You won't see illegal multi thousand plant grows because it would presumably be cheaper and less of a hassle and risk to grow it legally 'in the open'.

I realize the end of alcohol prohibition didn't end bootlegging, but it is now a tiny, tiny portion of the market the only still exists as a tax dodge.


That is a big if

Agreed. I live in Colorado and there are two things that are keeping the grey market dominate. The tax rate is excessive and most cities and counties have banned retail sales. We have a long way to go, but we are on the right track, imo.


Leaglize it and eventually consumption will probably drop. It's not as much fun if you're not getting away with something
 
2014-02-15 05:38:49 PM

whidbey: Repo Man: unlikely advocates on the right, including current Humboldt County Sheriff Mike Downey

It's not "unlikely" if you've spent much time in Humboldt. Even the convenience stores have trimming scissors.




It's unlikely because he's a righty, and one of the defining characteristics of those on the right is their willingness to never give up on a lost cause. Do you ever see liberal democrats on message boards arguing that the problem in Vietnam was that we didn't fight hard enough? And a surprising number of hippy types are against legalization; they know full well that places such as Garberville will very nearly dry up and blow away once the prohibition price supports are taken away.
 
2014-02-15 05:45:58 PM

Crazy Lee: Repo Man: AbuHashish: I expect to see many more articles voicing concern over legal marijuana in the months to come. Cartels in Colorado mentioned in Drudge today with no stated evidence and rants about weed falling into the hands of children because legal, etc. It's clear there's still a vocal fear mongering opposition. The law narrowly passed in Washington and only a few counties are on board.

Ok. What has any of that to do with TFA?

TFA:  "The problem is we have wild rodents out here that are going to eat the rat poisons, and then they become little time bombs,"

So, dopers kill any wildlife that eat the poisoned rodents.  The horror!  `Marijuana is THE gateway drug'.  Failing to mention the fact that it is the exposure of any tender little procurer, in search of weed, to the black market of substances that is the only `gateway' involved never crosses the mind of the `concerned'.  Taxpayers are actually the only guilty actors (fund the war - eat the dead wildlife).  Meth heads have dumped their `cook' leftovers in our woods (piles of 5 gal. buckets - some always seem to leak).  If I had my druthers, anyone over 21 could buy dexedrine/benzedrine OTC at just enough above cost so as to fund eventual treatment of those who want it and to lock up anyone (any substance) who interferes with the life/liberty of another citizen for a mandatory minimum.  Have a care for one's own `temperance'.

/every old line of bullshiat will be dusted off, draped over the MSM and drug out along the dead-cat-walk over the coming months


I see you chose your screen name with care.
 
2014-02-15 05:48:34 PM

Repo Man: Crazy Lee: Repo Man: AbuHashish: I expect to see many more articles voicing concern over legal marijuana in the months to come. Cartels in Colorado mentioned in Drudge today with no stated evidence and rants about weed falling into the hands of children because legal, etc. It's clear there's still a vocal fear mongering opposition. The law narrowly passed in Washington and only a few counties are on board.

Ok. What has any of that to do with TFA?

TFA:  "The problem is we have wild rodents out here that are going to eat the rat poisons, and then they become little time bombs,"

So, dopers kill any wildlife that eat the poisoned rodents.  The horror!  `Marijuana is THE gateway drug'.  Failing to mention the fact that it is the exposure of any tender little procurer, in search of weed, to the black market of substances that is the only `gateway' involved never crosses the mind of the `concerned'.  Taxpayers are actually the only guilty actors (fund the war - eat the dead wildlife).  Meth heads have dumped their `cook' leftovers in our woods (piles of 5 gal. buckets - some always seem to leak).  If I had my druthers, anyone over 21 could buy dexedrine/benzedrine OTC at just enough above cost so as to fund eventual treatment of those who want it and to lock up anyone (any substance) who interferes with the life/liberty of another citizen for a mandatory minimum.  Have a care for one's own `temperance'.

/every old line of bullshiat will be dusted off, draped over the MSM and drug out along the dead-cat-walk over the coming months

The damage done by these gardens is not hyperbole.

Butte County Supervisor Bill Connelly, a conservative who describes himself as "definitely not an environmentalist," shares this belief. He contends that ramping up the war on pot because of trespass grows will ultimately fail to either eradicate the farms or protect Mother Nature. As a result, he's calling for the legalization of marijuana nationwide, joining a cadre of unlikely advocates ...


The damage, as was pointed out by the County Supervisor, is the result of the law that makes the placement of the gardens/poison profitable.
 
2014-02-15 05:54:00 PM

BluVeinThrobber: Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Eliminate the un-natural element from the situation. Poisons and insecticides should'nt be available without a permit. They should only be available to proffesionals

Or just legalize Cannabis. Naw, let's setup another expensive, expansive government bureaucracy to save us from the evil of fertilizers and pesticides.

I agree it should be leaglized. But that wont stop illicit growers from still growing and selling on the black market.
The government already has the agencies and laws in place. The FDA, EPA, Dept of the interior. The products available to the public are ineffective and dangerous when mis-used.

Well, if the regulations and tax rates are reasonable, that would dry up most of the black market. You won't see illegal multi thousand plant grows because it would presumably be cheaper and less of a hassle and risk to grow it legally 'in the open'.

I realize the end of alcohol prohibition didn't end bootlegging, but it is now a tiny, tiny portion of the market the only still exists as a tax dodge.


That is a big if

Agreed. I live in Colorado and there are two things that are keeping the grey market dominate. The tax rate is excessive and most cities and counties have banned retail sales. We have a long way to go, but we are on the right track, imo.

Leaglize it and eventually consumption will probably drop. It's not as much fun if you're not getting away with something


Not sure if serious...

Are there rebellious teenagers that operate under that attitude? Probably, I can't say but who really gives a shiat why teenagers do things.

But for responsible consumers the "thrill" of getting caught is the last thing we want. I want no chance of being caught, preferably because it is legal. I definitely never sit around with shifty eyes cackling about how I'm getting away with something when I smoke a bowl on my porch.
 
2014-02-15 05:55:47 PM
Legalize, legalize, legalize
 
2014-02-15 05:58:58 PM
It isn't hard to not buy illegal weed.  You just don't buy it.  It takes literally no energy.  I didn't buy illegal weed thousands of times yesterday.  Millions of times this last week.  Never once have I resorted to buying illegal weed.  And it took absolutely zero energy.

I also don't buy legal weed.  So whatever.

But on the environmental side, all farms in my area have to contribute to the local watershed monitoring group.  Thousands of dollars a year per farm.  Not a single drop of fertilizer contamination has been found to come from legal farms (in my area).  But there is plenty of contamination coming from pot gardens, and old mining operations (local farms don't use mercury, so I am 100% sure all the mercury doesn't come from farms).  Not a single pot farm contributes to the watershed group, nor do defunct mines.  So all you dope heads that buy or grow illegal pot, please consider writing a check to your local watershed monitoring group.  Maybe the people that are actually the problem should pay for the solution.  Or don't buy illegal pot, that would be the better solution.
 
2014-02-15 06:09:19 PM

Crazy Lee: Repo Man: Crazy Lee: Repo Man: AbuHashish: I expect to see many more articles voicing concern over legal marijuana in the months to come. Cartels in Colorado mentioned in Drudge today with no stated evidence and rants about weed falling into the hands of children because legal, etc. It's clear there's still a vocal fear mongering opposition. The law narrowly passed in Washington and only a few counties are on board.

Ok. What has any of that to do with TFA?

TFA:  "The problem is we have wild rodents out here that are going to eat the rat poisons, and then they become little time bombs,"

So, dopers kill any wildlife that eat the poisoned rodents.  The horror!  `Marijuana is THE gateway drug'.  Failing to mention the fact that it is the exposure of any tender little procurer, in search of weed, to the black market of substances that is the only `gateway' involved never crosses the mind of the `concerned'.  Taxpayers are actually the only guilty actors (fund the war - eat the dead wildlife).  Meth heads have dumped their `cook' leftovers in our woods (piles of 5 gal. buckets - some always seem to leak).  If I had my druthers, anyone over 21 could buy dexedrine/benzedrine OTC at just enough above cost so as to fund eventual treatment of those who want it and to lock up anyone (any substance) who interferes with the life/liberty of another citizen for a mandatory minimum.  Have a care for one's own `temperance'.

/every old line of bullshiat will be dusted off, draped over the MSM and drug out along the dead-cat-walk over the coming months

The damage done by these gardens is not hyperbole.

Butte County Supervisor Bill Connelly, a conservative who describes himself as "definitely not an environmentalist," shares this belief. He contends that ramping up the war on pot because of trespass grows will ultimately fail to either eradicate the farms or protect Mother Nature. As a result, he's calling for the legalization of marijuana nationwide, joining a cadre of unlikely a ...




Yes, but your initial post was downplaying the damage done, and portraying the concern over it as FUD disseminated by supporters of the status quo.
 
2014-02-15 06:09:39 PM
Not sure if serious...

Are there rebellious teenagers that operate under that attitude? Probably, I can't say but who really gives a shiat why teenagers do things.

But for responsible consumers the "thrill" of getting caught is the last thing we want. I want no chance of being caught, preferably because it is legal. I definitely never sit around with shifty eyes cackling about how I'm getting away with something when I smoke a bowl on my porc ...

Maybe not now. but it may have started that way . It did for a lot of people
 
2014-02-15 06:11:24 PM

AmbassadorBooze: It isn't hard to not buy illegal weed.  You just don't buy it.  It takes literally no energy.  I didn't buy illegal weed thousands of times yesterday.  Millions of times this last week.  Never once have I resorted to buying illegal weed.  And it took absolutely zero energy.

I also don't buy legal weed.  So whatever.

But on the environmental side, all farms in my area have to contribute to the local watershed monitoring group.  Thousands of dollars a year per farm.  Not a single drop of fertilizer contamination has been found to come from legal farms (in my area).  But there is plenty of contamination coming from pot gardens, and old mining operations (local farms don't use mercury, so I am 100% sure all the mercury doesn't come from farms).  Not a single pot farm contributes to the watershed group, nor do defunct mines.  So all you dope heads that buy or grow illegal pot, please consider writing a check to your local watershed monitoring group.  Maybe the people that are actually the problem should pay for the solution.  Or don't buy illegal pot, that would be the better solution.


We cant all be YOU
 
2014-02-15 06:11:49 PM

BluVeinThrobber: Not sure if serious...

Are there rebellious teenagers that operate under that attitude? Probably, I can't say but who really gives a shiat why teenagers do things.

But for responsible consumers the "thrill" of getting caught is the last thing we want. I want no chance of being caught, preferably because it is legal. I definitely never sit around with shifty eyes cackling about how I'm getting away with something when I smoke a bowl on my porc ...
Maybe not now. but it may have started that way . It did for a lot of people


I doubt it. People start doing it because it's fun to get high. People have been using things to get high long before there were laws making it illegal to get high.
 
2014-02-15 06:12:50 PM

Gyrfalcon: A farm is a farm. You still need fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, nitrates to enrich the soil, all that stuff. Did you think they got maximum yield by just sticking a few seeds in the ground and letting nature do it's thing?

And it's not like anyone is checking they're using the right levels of weed killer or that the fertilizer runoff isn't going into someone else's drinking water.


TFA is about rat poison used to keep rats looking for water from chewing on the plants.  Not so typical on farms.  Also love that LEO leave behind all the poison when they confiscate plants.

Anyways, one advantage of legalization is not just the ability to watchdog these things, but the fact that no one will be growing weed in the middle of a forest to begin with anymore.  The only reason to choose the middle of nowhere is to hide, and, if you do things like Colorado, you'd also need to be able to actually secure your growing site (you know, for the children), meaning greenhouses or indoor under lights, where you don't have to worry so much about rats wandering by for water.
 
2014-02-15 06:15:30 PM

Semper IvXx: BluVeinThrobber: Not sure if serious...

Are there rebellious teenagers that operate under that attitude? Probably, I can't say but who really gives a shiat why teenagers do things.

But for responsible consumers the "thrill" of getting caught is the last thing we want. I want no chance of being caught, preferably because it is legal. I definitely never sit around with shifty eyes cackling about how I'm getting away with something when I smoke a bowl on my porc ...
Maybe not now. but it may have started that way . It did for a lot of people

I doubt it. People start doing it because it's fun to get high. People have been using things to get high long before there were laws making it illegal to get high.


Agreed, but initialy it was a part of the alure
 
2014-02-15 06:22:23 PM
forgot the oter L
 
2014-02-15 06:27:29 PM

BluVeinThrobber: Not sure if serious...

Are there rebellious teenagers that operate under that attitude? Probably, I can't say but who really gives a shiat why teenagers do things.

But for responsible consumers the "thrill" of getting caught is the last thing we want. I want no chance of being caught, preferably because it is legal. I definitely never sit around with shifty eyes cackling about how I'm getting away with something when I smoke a bowl on my porc ...
Maybe not now. but it may have started that way . It did for a lot of people


It sure does

in a weird quantum universe where cause follows effect
 
2014-02-15 06:28:23 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Agreed. I live in Colorado and there are two things that are keeping the grey market dominate. The tax rate is excessive and most cities and counties have banned retail sales. We have a long way to go, but we are on the right track, imo.


I'm waiting for city managers to run the numbers on what their bans cost in retail marijuana tax revenue.  Not every town will be tempted, but they all compete avidly enough for big box sales taxes, I think we can anticipate some competition for marijuana revenue, too, once the figures start coming in.

\Used to live in a town with two empty former Walmarts dragging down their strip malls on top of a perpetual vacancy problem on the old main street.  When medical passed they promptly banned dispensaries from both of those retail corridors, which covered all commercial space except one out of the way corner of town, you know, because an actually profitable business moving into those vacancies might taint the image of the area.  It didn't make any sense to me.  I kinda thought they should have tried to get a wholesale grower into one of those Walmarts.
 
2014-02-15 06:59:07 PM
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2014-02-15 07:04:46 PM
moefuggenbrew:

Until we stop fracking we can't even possibly discuss stopping illegal pot farms that poison the environment.

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How about we stop fracking and stop illegal pot farm pollution.
 
2014-02-15 07:13:41 PM
AmbassadorBooze:

Priorities?
 
2014-02-15 07:41:53 PM

moefuggenbrew: AmbassadorBooze:

Priorities?


You have a good point.  Fracking is a disaster.

However, I don't live in Louisiana, so my vote there doesn't count.  I do live in California, where my vote doesn't count either, but I do work for a farm that has to pay the watershed group to monitor the rivers for farm runoff.  All the legal farms have to, along with all the other sorts of regulation we have.  The watershed group (in my area) has admitted publicly that they have never found pollution from a legal farm.  They have admitted to finding fertilizer runoff and mercury.  They will not publicly admit where the fertilizer and mercury sources come from (But everybody knows where it comes from).  There are no farms that use mercury.  And the fertilizer runoff is coming from upstream where there are no legal farms, only pot gardens.  But the watershed group has no authority to go after the pot growers, and no time machine to go after the mines.  So they tax the farmers under the assumption that we pollute the water.

I have no problem paying the tax, but I would like the authorities to come out and admit the truth.  Instead, the watershed group takes our money and does nothing.  Nothing could be done for much cheaper.  Or take our money and do something, like stop the pot growers from polluting the water.  But they only have the will to send out letters telling the legal farmers when the next check is due.

I am sure other more farm intensive areas do have runoff problems, I am just saying that we don't.  (each area of the watershed has it's own group which monitors one area)
 
2014-02-15 08:49:48 PM

Repo Man: whidbey: Repo Man: unlikely advocates on the right, including current Humboldt County Sheriff Mike Downey

It's not "unlikely" if you've spent much time in Humboldt. Even the convenience stores have trimming scissors.



It's unlikely because he's a righty, and one of the defining characteristics of those on the right is their willingness to never give up on a lost cause. Do you ever see liberal democrats on message boards arguing that the problem in Vietnam was that we didn't fight hard enough? And a surprising number of hippy types are against legalization; they know full well that places such as Garberville will very nearly dry up and blow away once the prohibition price supports are taken away.


Al sharpton, jesse jackson.

Dont think any fringe doesnt have wackos. The other side is not a monolith.
 
2014-02-15 08:57:17 PM

jvl: Or jackasses could stop using illegal stuff that wrecks the environment.


And we could all ride to heaven on our unicorns!

AmbassadorBooze: I am sure other more farm intensive areas do have runoff problems, I am just saying that we don't.


Then you should be for making it legal for responsible farmers to grow pot, in order to bring pot growers under regulatory authority.

Otherwise, unicorns.  The war on pot has been going on for almost 80 years.  Smart people want to try something different.  Stupid people are just sure the same old moralistic crappola is going to start working any day now.
 
2014-02-15 09:31:38 PM
///Thread

Go get beer, bowl up and get ready to go back to the live Olympics thread. Damn :)
 
2014-02-15 11:45:11 PM
knobmaker:

Then you should be for making it legal for responsible farmers to grow pot, in order to bring pot growers under regulatory authority.

Otherwise, unicorns.  The war on pot has been going on for almost 80 years.  Smart people want to try something different.  Stupid people are just sure the same old moralistic crappola is going to start working any day now.


I am for the legalization of pot.  The thing is that it isn't legal (or quasi legal in some areas).  I am for the legalization of practically everything.  But I also hate when a governmental organization is created (the watershed group that farms in my area pay money to) to regulate something that is false (that the legal farms in my area pollute the water).

So, I am for the legalization, but in the mean time illegal pot growers are polluting the water.  Since I don't buy or use pot, I don't have any control over the pot economy.  Pot users have some control over the pot economy, and they are supporting the polluters.
 
2014-02-16 03:12:42 AM

legion_of_doo: Repo Man: whidbey: Repo Man: unlikely advocates on the right, including current Humboldt County Sheriff Mike Downey

It's not "unlikely" if you've spent much time in Humboldt. Even the convenience stores have trimming scissors.

It's unlikely because he's a righty, and one of the defining characteristics of those on the right is their willingness to never give up on a lost cause. Do you ever see liberal democrats on message boards arguing that the problem in Vietnam was that we didn't fight hard enough? And a surprising number of hippy types are against legalization; they know full well that places such as Garberville will very nearly dry up and blow away once the prohibition price supports are taken away.

Al sharpton, jesse jackson.

Dont think any fringe doesnt have wackos. The other side is not a monolith.


haha no

keep the butthurt pulsing, dude.
 
2014-02-16 08:27:08 AM
They're just here for the yobs, mang.

You know important jobs that nobody else wants to do like, poisoning our wildlife, and littering our national parks and forests.
 
2014-02-16 11:13:43 AM

AmbassadorBooze: knobmaker:

Then you should be for making it legal for responsible farmers to grow pot, in order to bring pot growers under regulatory authority.

Otherwise, unicorns.  The war on pot has been going on for almost 80 years.  Smart people want to try something different.  Stupid people are just sure the same old moralistic crappola is going to start working any day now.

I am for the legalization of pot.  The thing is that it isn't legal (or quasi legal in some areas).  I am for the legalization of practically everything.  But I also hate when a governmental organization is created (the watershed group that farms in my area pay money to) to regulate something that is false (that the legal farms in my area pollute the water).

So, I am for the legalization, but in the mean time illegal pot growers are polluting the water.  Since I don't buy or use pot, I don't have any control over the pot economy.  Pot users have some control over the pot economy, and they are supporting the polluters.


Your point seems to be that pot smokers should quit until it is legal. That's about as useful/rational/likely as you stopping farming until your watershed taxes are reasonable. Why don't you just stop farming until they lower your fees? You have control over that.
 
jvl
2014-02-16 05:07:39 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: jvl: Ow! That was my feelings!:It's not 'illegal stuff' that wrecks the environment. If it was legal and 'in the open' they wouldn't be growing it there in the first place. You can't regulate and control it if you force it to be grown in the shadows.

So in other words, so long as it remains illegal you shouldn't smoke it. Sounds a lot like what I said.

Nope, I'm saying you are naïve if you think people are not going to smoke it anyway, so let's be adults about it and legalize Cannabis.


If we were being adults about it, then so long as it is illegal we would not reduce the criminality of using it since it contributes to crime in innocent countries.  Please cry more that the majority dares to have the right to outlaw something you feel like using once in awhile.

The amount of contortions pro-MJ folks go through to justify themselves in the face of contrary evidence is always hilarious. It's like you're smoking something that interferes with brain function or something.
 
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