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(Washington Times)   Alabama lawmaker proposes school days start with a 15 minute prayer session, like they do in Congress. Next up - students to reconvene after a three hour lunch and come back just in time for their two week recess   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 50
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2014-02-15 08:58:20 AM
How about they cut out the prayers in congress? Maybe do some congressing instead.
 
2014-02-15 09:03:42 AM

shanrick: How about they cut out the prayers in congress? Maybe do some congressing instead.


People like Ted Cruz need the Word Of God to tell him what to do. Without the voices in his head, he might do something like increase the minimum wage, which Jesus was strictly against.

/Christian, but hate what these asshats are doing in his name.
 
2014-02-15 09:04:23 AM
A new bill from a Republican lawmaker in Alabama would require all schools to start each day with a 15-minute prayer session...  Or, teachers could opt for a prayer that was aligned with that day's lesson plan, he said.

Well it just so happens the lesson plan theme for the entire year is the Islamic faith.  I'm so glad you came up with this idea.
 
2014-02-15 09:21:27 AM
John 11:35, do these people not understand Matthew 6:5?
 
2014-02-15 09:22:32 AM

enry: /Christian, but hate what these asshats are doing in His name.

 
2014-02-15 09:26:05 AM
Would this apply to middle and high school students?  Because kids that age should have grown out of having an invisible friend.
 
2014-02-15 09:28:49 AM
Sure. Go for it, Alabama. Enjoy spending a pile of money in futile defense prior to your well-deserved judicial smackdown.
 
2014-02-15 09:32:12 AM

qorkfiend: Sure. Go for it, Alabama. Enjoy spending a pile of money in futile defense prior to your well-deserved judicial smackdown.


It's not the politicians' money, so why would they care? Such a law plays well with their base, and they can rant about the evil federal government when they lose.
 
2014-02-15 09:33:28 AM

Gecko Gingrich: enry: /Christian, but hate what these asshats are doing in His name.


Was in my phone at the time.  Be lucky it was spelled properly and not replaced with "this".

/didn't get the capitalization thing anyway.  There's plenty more that I've done wrong that would send me to hell for eternity
//like that time I ate meat on a Friday in Lent
 
2014-02-15 09:33:31 AM
In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.
 
2014-02-15 09:34:25 AM

mutterfark: John 11:35, do these people not understand Matthew 6:5?


Truly they've received their reward
 
2014-02-15 09:34:55 AM
15 minutes?   How long does it take to pray?
 
2014-02-15 09:37:02 AM

badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.


Please, enlighten us.
 
2014-02-15 09:38:43 AM

stuhayes2010: 15 minutes?   How long does it take to pray?


"Rub-a-dub, thanks for the grub. Yay God. Let's eat."

/ Grace in about 5 seconds.
 
2014-02-15 09:39:19 AM

Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.


PPffft. Good luck with that.
 
2014-02-15 09:41:17 AM

badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.


Oh, this should be good.
 
2014-02-15 09:45:10 AM
You couldn't pay me enough to live in Alabama.
 
2014-02-15 09:46:38 AM

Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.


Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.
 
2014-02-15 09:47:37 AM
Sharia Law
 
2014-02-15 09:47:48 AM
troll on a roll
 
2014-02-15 09:48:43 AM

badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.


you should read the book of Matt. Chapter 6 in particular for instructions on public prayer.
 
2014-02-15 09:49:35 AM

badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.


Enlighten us, birther.
 
2014-02-15 09:50:16 AM
I'm glad this country has a robust institutional government and Constitution, plus a massive, majority secular or semi-secular and basically educated population, or we'd be Saudi Arabia right now, thanks to these jackholes.
 
2014-02-15 09:51:51 AM

badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.


Sure they do lil' buddy.

*ruffles hair*

It's what them evil liberal teachers done taught 'em in that heathen book learnin' place, ain't it? Why next thing you know they'll declare war on Christmas!
 
2014-02-15 09:52:56 AM
Fifteen minutes of prayer? God must doze off during those long winded prayers.
 
2014-02-15 09:53:17 AM
I'm sure these people will also be just fine if the morning prayer is a Muslim prayer. Or if they form a pagan circle for their prayers. You know, open minded and all.
 
2014-02-15 09:53:52 AM

badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.


Because it's not as though the Founders had just broken away from a nation where the head of state was also the head of the church.

You also surely realize this already, but the separation of church and state doesn't stop anyone from practicing their religion. You can go to church, you can pray in your head, you can pray with a group of friends before class starts....just don't start making it An Event for the entire populace.
 
2014-02-15 09:54:29 AM

badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.


You know, I've been going to one Southern Baptist church or another for almost thirty years.  And I've never heard of the 11th Commandment which says "Use government authority to force other people's kids to pray to the same God you do."
 
2014-02-15 09:55:41 AM

badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.


Ugh. It is to prevent the government from being involved in the business of religion. A public school IS THE GOVERNMENT. The government cannot impose religion onto you. That is separation of church and state. You can do whatever the hell you want regarding your religion in your home, church, billboards, radio show, TV show... You just can't use the government to impose it on others. That's it. It's REALLY EASY.
 
2014-02-15 09:56:07 AM

badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.


Okay, I'll bite because if someone doesn't the thread will stall.

Forcing one religions' prayers onto people of other religions is oppression.

Forcing one Christian denominations' prayer onto a person of another denomination is oppression.

/I'll keep saying Debts. Not Tresspasses, or Sins, or whatever other version is out there.
 
2014-02-15 09:56:29 AM
FTFA: Susan Watson, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Alabama, said...the difference between congressional prayer and school prayer was that young children "are a captive audience."

That should be the end of it, right there. Studying the opening prayer by the chaplain is not going to tell you much about how Congress works anyway. And it won't help in first period math for sure. Lessons about the roles of different religions and American government are best studied in actual Civics or Social Studies class anyway, rather than in 15 minute bullshiat prayers.
 
2014-02-15 09:56:38 AM

enry: //like that time I ate meat on a Friday in Lent


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/I don't care either way.
//Godless heathen.
///Pedantry is my hobby.
 
2014-02-15 09:57:52 AM
They proposed this a second time this week?
 
2014-02-15 09:59:05 AM

badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.


My religion teaches that we should feed the hungry, house the homeless, and not interfere with others who choose to live their lives differently. Where is my right to get married to my partner in accordance to my religious beliefs? Oh.... That right, the devil-dodgers interfered with my rights using their religion to prevent me from practicing as I see fit.

Your stone age beliefs aren't the only beliefs out there. Maybe when christians stop using the government to stop others from living their lives, we'll stop trying to get the government to smack you people into the modern era.
 
2014-02-15 09:59:31 AM
You know, they are over 12,000 churches in Alabama where people can pray, but only 1500 public schools.
 
2014-02-15 10:00:45 AM

stuhayes2010: 15 minutes?   How long does it take to pray?


If you skimp on the foreplay you can do it in 15 minutes and still get a few deeply felt OH GODs
 
2014-02-15 10:01:03 AM

timswar: badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.

Okay, I'll bite because if someone doesn't the thread will stall.

Forcing one religions' prayers onto people of other religions is oppression.

Forcing one Christian denominations' prayer onto a person of another denomination is oppression.

/I'll keep saying Debts. Not Tresspasses, or Sins, or whatever other version is out there.


A good Presbyterian congregation can for forgive their debtors while Catholics are still asking forgiveness for trespasses.
 
2014-02-15 10:04:14 AM

ChimbleySweep: badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.

Because it's not as though the Founders had just broken away from a nation where the head of state was also the head of the church.

You also surely realize this already, but the separation of church and state doesn't stop anyone from practicing their religion. You can go to church, you can pray in your head, you can pray with a group of friends before class starts....just don't start making it An Event for the entire populace.


Another fun fact. Many of the Founders (Jefferson, Franklin, Paine) thought prayer was a lot of nonsense. Yet they did not try to prevent prayer at government functions. That would have been antithetical to their ideas.
 
2014-02-15 10:05:44 AM

badhatharry: ChimbleySweep: badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.

Because it's not as though the Founders had just broken away from a nation where the head of state was also the head of the church.

You also surely realize this already, but the separation of church and state doesn't stop anyone from practicing their religion. You can go to church, you can pray in your head, you can pray with a group of friends before class starts....just don't start making it An Event for the entire populace.

Another fun fact. Many of the Founders (Jefferson, Franklin, Paine) thought prayer was a lot of nonsense. Yet they did not try to prevent prayer at government functions. That would have been antithetical to their ideas.


And?
 
2014-02-15 10:05:49 AM

badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.


area troll passionate attacker of what he imagines government to be
 
2014-02-15 10:05:51 AM

ChimbleySweep: Because it's not as though the Founders had just broken away from a nation where the head of state was also the head of the church.

You also surely realize this already, but the separation of church and state doesn't stop anyone from practicing their religion. You can go to church, you can pray in your head, you can pray with a group of friends before class starts....just don't start making it An Event for the entire populace.


But that would take away the "Hey, look at me! Hey, look at me! I'm a good person cause Jesus!" attention that these bible pushers need to live.
 
2014-02-15 10:12:09 AM

badhatharry: The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.


No such thing exists, from what Ive been told. However, Congress (which has been held to mean any level of government from the Fed on down to your local public school district) may not establish a religion. By mandating - or even *allowing* - a school-sponsored time of prayer, religion is being established. It doesn't matter if it's Christian, Jewish, Hindi, Atheism, Scientology, Amazonian Earth Spirit or any of the other hundreds of religions in the world. By allowing one, you are by default oppressing the others. It doesn't matter if you have Christian prayer on Monday, Hindu on Tuesday, Islamic on Wednesday, etc.

No one is being prevented from practicing their religion. You want to be Christian? Have at it. Jewish? No problem. Islamic? You're going to be unfairly looked at cross-eyed by a chunk of the population, but no one is going to stop you by force of law. Wear your crucifix, refrain from eating bacon, or thank Gaia for the wonderful bounty you are going to have at lunch; however, don't force anyone else to do the same and you won't have a problem. Or at least shouldn't.
 
2014-02-15 10:12:13 AM

qorkfiend: badhatharry: ChimbleySweep: badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.

Because it's not as though the Founders had just broken away from a nation where the head of state was also the head of the church.

You also surely realize this already, but the separation of church and state doesn't stop anyone from practicing their religion. You can go to church, you can pray in your head, you can pray with a group of friends before class starts....just don't start making it An Event for the entire populace.

Another fun fact. Many of the Founders (Jefferson, Franklin, Paine) thought prayer was a lot of nonsense. Yet they did not try to prevent prayer at government functions. That would have been antithetical to their ideas.

And?


They probably read the paper during prayer.
 
2014-02-15 10:14:24 AM

badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.


That is incorrect for a number of reasons.

First, the wall of separation goes both ways.  The government can't oppress religion, but no religious belief can be given preference by the government.

Second, walls go both ways.  The government is expected to keep out of religious issues, and religion is expected to keep out of government issues.

Third, nobody is taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing religion.  They're taught that the government can't be used as a means of practicing or spreading religious belief.

But why let facts get in the way of you being a passionate defender of what you imagine separation of church and state to be.
 
2014-02-15 10:16:58 AM

exatron: badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.

That is incorrect for a number of reasons.

First, the wall of separation goes both ways.  The government can't oppress religion, but no religious belief can be given preference by the government.

Second, walls go both ways.  The government is expected to keep out of religious issues, and religion is expected to keep out of government issues.

Third, nobody is taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing religion.  They're taught that the government can't be used as a means of practicing or spreading religious belief.

But why let facts get in the way of you being a passionate defender of what you imagine separation of church and state to be.


I know this is difficult to accept. Many of the things you think are true are, in fact, false.
 
2014-02-15 10:35:15 AM

badhatharry: exatron: badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.

That is incorrect for a number of reasons.

First, the wall of separation goes both ways.  The government can't oppress religion, but no religious belief can be given preference by the government.

Second, walls go both ways.  The government is expected to keep out of religious issues, and religion is expected to keep out of government issues.

Third, nobody is taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing religion.  They're taught that the government can't be used as a means of practicing or spreading religious belief.

But why let facts get in the way of you being a passionate defender of what you imagine separation of church and state to be.

I know this is difficult to accept. Many of the things you think are true are, in fact, false.


And, of course, you have proof for this.  Otherwise, quit lying.
 
2014-02-15 10:44:54 AM

badhatharry: exatron: badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.

That is incorrect for a number of reasons.

First, the wall of separation goes both ways.  The government can't oppress religion, but no religious belief can be given preference by the government.

Second, walls go both ways.  The government is expected to keep out of religious issues, and religion is expected to keep out of government issues.

Third, nobody is taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing religion.  They're taught that the government can't be used as a means of practicing or spreading religious belief.

But why let facts get in the way of you being a passionate defender of what you imagine separation of church and state to be.

I know this is difficult to accept. Many of the things you think are true are, in fact, false.


You got your 'You' and 'I' swapped around in that last response.
 
2014-02-15 11:23:34 AM

badhatharry: Katolu: badhatharry: In this thread: Passionate defenders of what they imagine separation of church and state to be.

Please, enlighten us.

Sure. The "wall of separation between church and state" was to prevent the government from oppressing religion. Many people today think just the opposite. They are taught that the government should use its power to prevent people from practicing their religion.


Yeah, no.
 
2014-02-15 01:43:50 PM
Terrific idea.

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2014-02-16 12:38:03 AM
What the hell do you pray about for 15 minutes?  That's a quarter of a full sermon, with music.
 
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